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Salmond back from US with high hopes for independence



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Published Date: 07 April 2008
SCOTLAND will become independent "in my lifetime", Alex Salmond declared yesterday.
Buoyed by a week of events and speeches to promote Scotland in the United States, the First Minister returned to Edinburgh saying he was more confident than ever in Scottish independence.

"Some people said we'd never see a Scottish Parliament. W
endy Alexander (the Scottish Labour leader] said I wouldn't become First Minister in my wildest dreams. Well, I must be having pretty wild dreams these days.

"The forecasting powers of my opponents are not fantastic, and, yes, I believe I will see independence in my lifetime," he said.

In New York, Mr Salmond took part in the annual Tartan Day parade, and posed for pictures with Lawrence Tynes, the Scottish-born kicker for the Super Bowl-winning New York Giants, and John Smeaton, the baggage-handler who helped to foil the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport last year. The First Minister claimed Scotland Week – as Tartan Week is now called – had been a great success, citing messages of support from the presidential candidates Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain, as well as from George Bush, the US president.

Mr Salmond's aides claimed there had been "record interest" from the US media, referring to interviews and reports in eight newspapers and on seven television programmes. However, there has been little coverage so far and, although some of the most prominent US newspapers have interviewed the First Minister, few of them have actually printed any articles on his visit or on Scotland Week.

Mr Salmond said: "We had exceptional political support throughout the week: from the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, to House Majority Leader, Steny Hoyer, a 47 strong Congressional membership of the Scottish caucus – and soon to be 20 members in the Senate as pledged by Senator Jim Webb at the Tartan Day reception."

In an interview with a Sunday newspaper, the First Minister turned his fire on Labour, accusing the party of being full of "ultimate B-league players".

He said: "They have an inferiority complex as wide as the Clyde, always deferring to Westminster. They have no ambition for the country. They don't regard themselves, never mind the rest of us, as important enough to be talking about things that matter."

He went on: "Labour in Scotland never learn their lesson. It is their very defensiveness, their narrowness, their small mindedness, which will keep them in opposition.

"A lot of people in Scotland believe the guff about the economy which has been talked for a generation – that Scotland is a poor, wee, dependent place. In fact, Scotland is potentially one of the richest countries on the planet, and if we became independent next week we'd be the third most prosperous country in Europe."

Mr Salmond's push for a referendum on independence was given a further boost yesterday when Henry McLeish, the former Labour first minister, said Scotland's future should eventually be solved with a plebiscite.

Going against Labour policy, which is to reject all calls for a referendum, Mr McLeish said: "I think the issue has to be resolved at some point with a referendum, but for that to happen there needs to be a more informed debate, and I think the public are both bemused and confused by so many conversations taking place."





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  • Last Updated: 06 April 2008 9:46 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Angus Ogg,

06/04/2008 22:23:38
Dear Hamish MacDonnell,

Thankyou for a half decent bit of reporting.

I am relieved, as I can now end my wee protest, and go buy a copy of the full paper version of the Scotsman newspaper in the morning.

Though it has been enjoyable posting on the web version each evening: theacht mean oiche.
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An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 00:06:06
Aye - it's comin!
3

peteedinburgh,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 00:11:56
A sensible timescale !!!

Its spent 10 years as a joke.

It needs to spend 10 years showing its not.

Then 10 years proving its not.

And 10 years later, ask the question.

This is bigger than a second rate politician's ego.
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Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 00:15:29
Wake me when it becomes "likely".

It's a pity that Salmond STILL refuses to acknowledge the pitiful support for independence.

By his own admission, it is STILL only 23% according to the last poll and this is AFTER 11 long tedious months of the SNP trying to make us angry with the UK/England!

He is clearly determined to bring about something the overwhelming majority doesn't support and have his precious statue on the Mile.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 00:18:41
But a large majority want more powers for the parliament and these include things like fiscal autonomy, which would make Scotland virtually independent, but for things like defence (which are all decided in Washington anyway.)
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Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 00:24:15
Let's go over the total lack of support that independence has:

Less than 0.01% of the population have contributed to the much publicised National Conversation which is, in fact, little more than a 'Nationalist Rant'.

Less than 0.01% of the population has signed the Scottish Convention's much-publicised online petition.

Less than 0.5% of the population has bothered to read the SNP's flagship 'White Paper'.

"Only a quarter of the population support independence" (Salmond's own words) and in the last poll, this support was DROPPING.

In that last poll, it was 23% for independence and 76% for the UK in various forms.

When will Salmond get it into his increasingly fat head that we don't want independence and we don't want to feed his overblown ego and his insatiable desire for a place in history?

When will Salmond realise that we are not stupid enough (well, not all of us anyway) to fall for his endless pathetic stunts and outright lies to get us all angry with the UK?
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 00:26:10
'Labour in Scotland never learn their lesson. It is their very defensiveness, their narrowness, their small mindedness, whi
ch will keep them in opposition.'

Not just that. Now that there has been a rebellion in what Gordon regarded as 'his own personal fiefdom', he has decided to lash out against the Scottish people, Mugabe style, with acts such as withholding the council tax rebate money, and excluding Scotland from the billion pound windfall for prison building that he gave to England and Wales.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 00:29:15
'Less than 0.01% of the population have contributed to the much publicised National Conversation which is, in fact, little more than a 'Nationalist Rant'.

Less than 0.01% of the population has signed the Scottish Convention's much-publicised online petition.'

I support independence and I haven't signed it. so what?

And what if 'only 23%'(as if their views don't matter)of Scots support independence at the moment-things change, and the trend which you are ignoring is that support for more powers to the parliament has risen, suggesting that Scots favour a gradualist approach to independence.
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Calum Crubag,

07/04/2008 00:31:39
Highland Mighty - so what are the visiting figures on the 'debate on devolution' site? Strange too how Labour's membership is in freefall? Maybe it's something to do with their bitter, negative scare tactics? Haven't they anything positive to offer?

Seems like Labour are continuing in the same vein as Edgar Hoover who desribed Luther King as 'hate-filled black nationalist'. Mandela too got the same treatment from Thatcher, New Labour's mentor. Mabye Salmond is in good company?
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Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 07/04/2008 00:33:45
Lastly, HM finds it strange that Scottish Nationalists may want independence? YOu're a sharp tool.
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Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 00:49:59
10. YouGov: "Support for independence has fallen 6% since the last poll in January 2006."

SUPPORT FOR INDEPENDENCE IS DROPPING ON EVERY FRONT.

Try and accept that and maybe direct your adolescent frustrations elsewhere. Mmm?
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An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 00:54:41
Song for the Labour Party

The working class will now be conned
To believe the union is still strong.
For the Scots they want their oil and gas
But we cannot give them what they ask.
The time has come to think again
If Brown's to stay in Number Ten.
But as we don't want Party schism
We won't have changes, just revision.

We can't forget Nye Bevan's ghost
But yuppies votes are uppermost.
We can't indulge in Leftist dreams
We must appeal to Milton Keynes.
The time has come to think again
If Brown's to stay in Number Ten.
But as we don't want Party schism
We won't have changes, just revision.

The people's flag is deepest grey
Because we get more votes that way.
Who gives a d@mn for socialism
If all looks good on television.
The time has come to think again
If Brown's to stay in Number Ten.
But as we don't want Party schism
We won't have changes, just revision.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 00:56:43
#13

You referred to 'The total lack of support that independence has..', yet have quoted the opinon rating of 23%. Twenty three percent is not a 'total lack of support'. And those people are entitled to their opinion-as is the First Minister.

You display a curious concept of democracy in that you seem to think people should change their minds just because a supposed 'majority' think differently.
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 07/04/2008 00:56:51
Highland Mighty I did not know there were Highlands in Essex? Ah weel I like what Alex Salmond is doing but as an old m aid I would love to see Scotland Independent in my life time. So hurry up Alex...convince the doubters and let us stop having our nice neighbours making decisions for us. Honest we are capable enough...after all we did build the Empire.
17

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:10:08
No-one is paying this man to campaign on his own narrow terms.

No-one is asking this man to campaign on his own narrow terms.

Why is this idiot not administering Scotland? That is where 'minister' comes from.

What a tool jet-setting around the world on some self-appointed junket for a cause no-one cares about beyond the minority cult of the angry league against labour.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 01:14:00
#19 You're a tool. He's representing Scotland and promoting Scotland as a tourist destination and as a target for Business investment-and doing a damn fine job of it too.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:15:17
20 Richardinho

What was "fine" about his visit? Prey tell.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 07/04/2008 01:23:15
Highland Mighty

You are a terrible bore. Always posting the same tripe.

You only have two records:-

1/ Posting outdated stats that would even make AM2 cringe

2/ Claiming the SNP are anti - English.

There is just a slight problem with your inane dribblings - they are untrue.

Have you managaed to dig up a quote or reference where the SNP 'blames England'?

Complete and utter troll
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:31:10
26 ptdoug

God! That is amazing. Can you write boobs on a calculator?

You are my special SNP hero. So clever, and quite the wit.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:35:45
28

You do know £20 million is nothing and will not influence a damn thing?

That is the opinion of all the top energy engineers in Scotland.

Salmond is just grabbing headlines as usual and ignorant numbskulls like yourself are just soaking this crap up as usual.

The real problem for Scotland is the thickness and ignorance of people like you. The SNP and Labour get away with murder (literally) along with mediocrity by going for the low hanging fruit to your thunderous applause time and again.

Get an education you dimwit and let's pool scotland out of this craic.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 01:44:22
'What was "fine" about his visit? Prey tell.'

He represented Scotland in the US with dignity and promoted a positive image of the country to the Americans. he smiled and shook hands at all the right moments.
All you want, really.
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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 01:45:27
'You do know £20 million is nothing and will not influence a damn thing?'

Guess you wont be wanting this 20 million pounds I was going to give you then?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:47:00
35 Richardinho

No, I want my administrators to administer things.

I want them to co-operate with other parts of the government and present an image of an administrator understand he is the servant of the people not their master.

The arrogant teet has disgraced Scotaldn and not for the first time.

He was sent by the SNP to campaign.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:49:18
36 ptdoug

Please tell me Michelle Rogers is not just some thick burd who googles sunjects she knows nothing about in between ordering lattes?

Is her degree in journalism with weave or energy engineering?

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Richardinho,

07/04/2008 01:50:28
#37 You want our First Minister to be the only national leader in the world not to make foreign trips to promote his country business interests.
Fair enough, but I think that's a pretty dumb idea.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:51:03
pt doug

This journalist is a tool. Scotland has plenty good energy engineers!

So she phrases it "Scotland does not necessarily" ie she hasn't a clue, but its nearly coffee break in her sex and the city journo fantasy-land.

Please stop spamming me with cruddy articles from the ignorant.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:52:24
41 Richardhino

No, liten up boyo.

I said I want him to stop making foreign trips to promote his own selfish and small mindede party political interests.

Representing the people of Scotland on adminstrative matters is ok.

But the wee turd doesn't have the integrity to do that.
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Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 07/04/2008 01:52:32
WELCOME HOME O GREAT ONE.
PLEASE START KICKING AR5E ANYTIME SOON.
P.S...Have you seen Bendy?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:54:45
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Salmond doubled it to £20 million you dipstick.

Please don't blame me for your ignorance.

Instead of slow-reading crap why don't you start skim reading the accurate stuff?

Tool.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 01:57:09
47 ptdoug

No, you are a tool though.

John Fahey sais the story is good. Not Salmond.

Salmond "Anyone who discovers gods location and speaks to him first gets 50p"

Its too easy to hijack things for headlines. When the media starts ignoring tools the sooner Scotalnd can get on with tangible and real stuff.
47

Richardinho,

07/04/2008 01:58:15
#45 You don't mind the First Minister going abroad, providing he doesn't try and promote Scotland in a positive upbeat light.
Ain't gonna happen. Alex Salmond isn't one of those unionists who try and do down Scotland at every turn.


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FrancesP,

07/04/2008 02:00:12
#6. Highland Mighty - "Less than 0.5% of the population has bothered to read the SNP's flagship 'White Paper'."

The Westminster government publish various White Papers on a regular basis, and if they could persuade anything like 0.5% of the population to read any of the contents, they'd collapse in shock. In your little world, does this constitute evidence that more than 99% of the population has opposed each and every piece of legislation the Labour government has ever introduced?

Come to think of it, if I could prove that no more than 0.5% of the Scottish public has ever bothered to read the Act of Union, would that mean that 99.5% of people want it to be repealed without delay? Yes, I think it must do.

And, despite his best efforts, what percentage of the Scottish public has actually bothered to read one of Highland Mighty's posts? Shall we be generous and say 0.0001%? This is clearly irrefutable proof that 99.9999% of people want you to change the flippin' record, pal.
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Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 07/04/2008 02:00:36
REAL ENEMA FUND
END FLEA MANURE
DARN ENEMA FUEL
DEFER ANAL MENU

ALL ANAGRAMS OF......
ANSWERS ON A TWENTY POUND NOTE TO.....
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Shamus,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 02:03:15
You will be dead and buried Alec. The Union will go on and on.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:16:10
57 Taquir

Pardon me, I go the currency wrong. I knew he doubled it from 10 to 20.

I just assumed he would have used the Scottish currency?

Why is Alex Salmond so ashamed of Scotland to use the US dollar?

Does Alex Salmond feel embassaed about the Scottish currency? Is he not promoting us on the world stage by using using the Scottish currency.

My mistake, I really knew I got the numbers right. I just forget to convert back to my Scottish currency as Alex Salmond obvious is too embarassed of Scottish money.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:18:07
58 ptdoug

What are you doing you tool?

That was a space ship.

Energy engineering is what the Slatire prize is. $20 million is a drop in the ocean and not enough to affect anything.

Because a yank economy makes money on a space ship it follows that Scots economy can prosper from an energy prize fund... um ... tool.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:25:50
61 ptdoug

What are you whittering on about poor boy?

Publicity stunts and cheap soundbytes produce cutting edge technologies?

Grow up.

Salmond is ducking the issues with this stunt. Scotland once led the world in renewables research until SNP and Labout thicko's like yourself demanded free bridge crossings to get to that important job answering telephones for a financial service co. instead of technologies and graduate scientists for our civilisation.

Now Scotland is placed far lower in the table and Salmond continues to divert funds for you lipsticks and chocolate bars while kidding you on he is innovative and brilliant on the civilisation front.

He is a charlitin and Scotland is being ruined by hords of zombies who vote SNP/Labour.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:28:04
62 pt doug

Alex Salmond is obvious embarassed of our Scottish identity.

You spent the first ten posts telling me he was promoting Scotaldn over there - doing important work.

Maybe he could have took the time to tell them what money we use?!

That would have been important work indeed.

What a fool you are. Promoting Scotland, embarassed of our money.

Promoting our way of life by putting a dollar sign on it. Shame on him.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:36:17
66 ptdoug

Why is Salmond using the dollar then?

I mean if he's not embarassed of our national identity.

Maybe he believes Scotland can never be global?

Maybe he believes on things associated with the US dollar can be global.

He is a Scottish cringe.

I wish Alex Salmond could have valused this prize find in the Scottish currency.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:43:38
70 ptdoug

G'night doug.

I hope you have nightmares ya bass, each cheese and itch you scabby nat pleb.

I mean that in a good way ;o)
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 02:53:30
It is a shame Alex Salmond doesn't think the Scottish Currency is international enough.

It goes to show he is worse than labour, I will set my alarm for 5.30 and hammer away at a hard's day remind all you nat plebs of that.

He is the worst Scottish cringe we have seen in a generation. He does think our currency is good enough to transcend borders in a world prize.
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Sconglish,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 02:56:09
I'm still awake ptdoug and fighting the fight against the naysayers which drag this country down. 69 Alfred: Salmond is not a cringe he is doing his best at home and abroad to raise awareness of Scotland as a NATION in is own right. You may or may not be aware of a wee political trick known as diplomacy but in essence it could be characterised as 'speaking to people in their ane language' - he was in America, speaking to Americans, why on earth should he expect them to do a curency conversion they may be aware of day to day in their heads? Go and inform yourself of a few Facts Please, and let the rest of us carry on the Conversation about independence which is going on here and in other places well beyond the scope of the Government's own outlets. No conflict, political or other, was won in a day, but I stand alongside Salmond, out on a limb at the moment perhaps, and say that Scotland will see itself as a fully independent country within the next ten or fifteen years. Welcome home Eck!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/04/2008 02:59:13
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And he did not dress up like kilty-bondage-man.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 03:00:19
74 Sconglish

You forget there are more than two countries our union that name should be Sconglsh.

Let's examine the facts.

1) Salmond does not have a mandate for independence.
2) Even if he did he should find out if we want it first before shooting his mouth off.

3) Given 1 & 2, what he did in yankland makes him a tool.

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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 03:01:23
75

Yuck. Can you imagine Salmond in a kilt, he would look like kiss piggy.

The real reason he doesn't wear them is because he is a cringe and embarassed of our currency and culture.
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Sconglish,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 03:07:17
76 sigh... you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Your embittered, reactionary language makes it hard to find a good reason to carry on debating with you

'you tool'

Go to bed, sleep on it, think about what you're saying about Scotland and yourself.

'there are more than two countries in this union that name should be Sconglsh' - you haven't considered that it might be a personal reference.

'you tool'

sigh... sigh sigh
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/04/2008 03:14:40
Since 70% of Americans don't have a passport and most have never travelled outside their own country, if you told the average American the prize was 10 Million Pounds they would ask " Pounds of What? "
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SNP hypocrisy,

Texas (great state of) 07/04/2008 05:47:24
So here I am in Texas, and never heard a thing about Scotland Week, Tartan Week, Fat Pompous Ego-trip Idiot Week, any other name Salmond would like to name it. It's just not news-worthy and no one bothers to report it to the rest of America. I imagine most New Yorkers never hard about it or actually cared. No doubt supping at tables of the wealthy in NY who would like to come and build golf courses no doubt (with his help and secret communcations), and some US politicians who will disappear into political obscurity by November, helped convince him that people actually care or support his views. But, he's living in cloud-cuckoo land. 23% want what he wants. That means 77% of Scots don't! What some obscure Yankees might want means nothing. Call it what you will, but it's still cr@p event, that the rest of America (outside of NY) ignores.
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SNP hypocrisy,

07/04/2008 05:50:33
John Smeaton, the baggage-handler... Aye well I've heard it all now...
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An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 07:29:29
Whit a bunch ae crabbit wee numpties postin here. Here's a man workin hard for your future an aw ye can dae is criticize. You lot deserve Thatcher back. Bur WTF - ye've goat Thatcher in drag wae GB.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 07/04/2008 07:35:44
Alex has been reading von Hayek again.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 07/04/2008 07:36:50
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An Beal Bacht, we have Thatcher back - hence the forthcoming Scottish poll tax.
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 07:48:42
Highland Mighty
SNP Hypocrisy
and all you other sniveling Unionistas
I walked into a bar in Fairbanks Alaska last night,huge billboard up in bar, Alaskan Scottish Club,supporting the Deaf Children (IN Alaska)
Aye,nothing about UK or British no no Scottish ,I'll say that again,Scottish.
You people that are hanging on to the Union and spouting all the usual c*ap of too small too unknown are holding the very nation your standing on BACK.
Yes 4000 miles away upon the very frontier of the Northern World and the word SCOTTISH three feet high!!
Our nation has a GLOBAL IDENTITY that the collective European Union can but only dream of.
Oh and Highland Mighty ,get off your a*se and go to any bar street shop town or city and ask people what they would like for Scotland and when you come back I'll personally pull that 23% right out of your B*ACKSIDE!
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McX,

07/04/2008 07:57:40
Jings an entire night of motherflipping socksucking from Alfred E Fistania. Well done PT Doug et al, for every dribbling utterance from Alfie you hammered him using FACTS.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 08:11:28
87 McX

ptdoug wasn't using facts though. Are you that SNP voting idiot that writes "=FACT" after every made up comment that supports the SNP.

Just writing = FACT does nto make it so.

The news story ptdoug copy and pasted was bull excretia. The space ship analogy was the flies on the mound.

You sir are a tool.
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brownlie,

07/04/2008 08:12:33
So Alex Salmond is involved in a promotion of Scotland resulting in favourable articles in a magazine which has a readership of over 400 million. As Ed Balls said when being told that Labour taxed the poor to benefit the rich "So what". I am getting very concerned about positive articles about Scotland in this newspaper. Surely they realise that us unionists thrive on negativity. Come on, Scotsman, get stuck into Alex - we love it.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 08:17:23
89 Browneye

How is getting your "name in the paper" progress for Scotland.

People are having ago because this work-shy yokey bum is runing around making boon-doggles and doing party political campaigning when he should be working.
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McX,

07/04/2008 08:20:38
#88

Good grief man you've had less than five hours sleep how is that possible?

Is your life so sad that you sleep on your keyboard, are the letters qwertyuiopp embossed on your forehead? Do you do nothing other than spoff your curdled manfat on these boards?

I'm off out for the day, it's a braw day here in the deepest soothwest and I have miles to go before I sleep.

You sir, haven't the girth to be a proper tool.

£20 million (snortle)
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 08:21:18
#90 Alfie,


Will you leave Scotland when it becomes independent?
or will you stay and help build it up?
Have you always been fairly no right???
No doubt you'll be letting us know
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McX,

07/04/2008 08:23:54
Alf is Galactic is Dawn of the dead. Powned muppet.
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brownlie,

07/04/2008 08:26:54
90 Alred E.

Quite right, Alfie, I do not fully understand your second sentence but I agree with every word of it. Bringing the attractions of Scotland to a readership of over 400 million will only attract massive amounts of American tourists over here, spending their money and trampling all over our precious sand-dunes.
89

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 08:36:26
94 Browneye

What are the benefits these 400 million are reading about?

It has been proven that this $20 million is not a benefit to people and companies when the technology costs £100s of millions and 10 years to develop.

Why come to Scotland when the SNP are cutting Science budgets at universities?

When the SNP dumped their pledge to bring back student grants, even for engineers.

Please explain the "benefits" they are reading about. Because $20 million is not a benefit in this industry.

You are thick and ill-informed and Alex Salmond plays to this. You think getting a bullcrap prize in a glossy magazine is work done.

Worse than labour. Quality perceived = quality achieved. But it's never that way in reality.
90

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 08:38:49
At the end of the day he is right: Salmond only needs to win one referendum, the union needs to win them all...........
91

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:14:44
What a shower of lackeys you lot are
Alfred E. Salad dressing,
Tell me am I right to assume that you believe that Nu/Lab is a better option than SNP,well if so here from a substantial list of points /topics will I begin,
perhaps I should just ask you what your thoughts are on recent polls of 23% for Independence are???
Are you quite sure about that?are you getting out and about,around town and such?have you bumped into any Labour supporters? maybe your a card carrying member of MI5 blogging support team sitting in a bunker in Milton Keynes or somewhere?any way lets start a short list
10 months-more done and achieved than 8 years
prescription charges cut
Council Tax rates suppressed
Effort towards sustainable energy
most effective minority governance in Europe
devout supporting action for nations interests agin Westminster
McCrone report released and understood
but a few,the list can go on as you well know,
Give me one single reason why any person should vote directly for Labour at the next election!
92

brownlie,

07/04/2008 09:15:41
95 Alfred.

So I am thick and ill-informed but I still have a vote. Do you have a solution which will prevent people like me from voting. I understand Hitler did.

You will note that I never insult anyone on these thread as I believe that by doing so anything else I say will be ignored.

I am not here to list the benefits of more than 400 million finding out more about Scotland. I would think that that would take me far too long.

I am here to promote the negativity of the status quo and to defend the efficient efficacy - plain for all to see - of unionism and the benefits the last eight years of compassionate and caring/sharing government has brought to my fellow Scots.
93

Steve,

07/04/2008 09:16:38
Alfred E Neuman

SHUT YOUR HOLE!

You have ruined this thread.
94

McMillar,

Fife 07/04/2008 09:19:27
Whether you believe in Salmond or not….He has a clear vision of what he wants to achieve and how he believes Scotland should be governed. That counts for a lot and he’s very good at communicating the message. What do the others stand for?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:20:45
100 McMillar

Hitler had a vision.

Hussein had a vision.

Stalin had a vision.

Having a vision is independent of greatness.
96

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:21:32
98 Browneye

You cannot list a single benefit, can you?

This BS prize fund is froth, Salmond's trip the states worthless.
97

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:22:27
97 glass

No, you are wrong. I detest Labour with only slightly more ferver than the SNP.

Both parties deserve each other, Scotland deserves neither.
98

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:23:51
99 Steve

The SNP voters have been ruining threads for months now.

I just like to ask them about their sources, facts, figures and refer to them as tools.
99

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:29:38
Well then lets start doing for ourselves ,lets move on no point in civil war!
You can be Scottish Tory or Liberal,with great points to make,
and I'll be ,err Monster Raving Loony,
What you say my friend
100

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:32:28
Here's the Deal

North Sea------84% production minimum

HOW MUCH????????????
101

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:33:32
HOW MUCH A BARREL??????????
102

MacFhraing,

Callanish 07/04/2008 09:33:55
14. YouGov gave 34% support for independence, so perhaps Salmond is gradually winning the argument. After his apparent success in the U.S.A., it may be boosted further. Give him time.
103

Independence, you say? What a marvelous idea!,

07/04/2008 09:34:56
Michty it looks as if Johnny Russia is rather keen on having FM Salmond for tea.

http://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/40409/Tsartan-week


That poor Mr Neuman he really has had his bottom spankked through the night and the morning.
104

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:36:09
WHAT REALLY DOSE GREAT BRITAIN MEAN IN THE NEW CENTURY????????????
105

Conan the Librarian™,

What, me worry? 07/04/2008 09:36:17
103
Alfred, a fershlugginer Tory.
106

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:37:44
WHAT OF ITS COLLECTIVE FOREIGN POLICY???????????
107

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:39:39
WHAT IS THE POSITION OF ITS POLITICAL CLASS????
108

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:40:56
ENTRENCHMENT OR SERVICE???????
109

brownlie,

07/04/2008 09:41:12
102 Alfred

I will type this very slowly so that you will understand. I am not here to list the SNP's achievement - I leave that to people who are not "thick" or "ill-informed".

I'm sure that they could point out that a magazine portraying a positive vision of Scotland might persuade it's readers to visit Scotland. Even if only 1% of the readership decided to do so that would be 40 million. If 40 million of them decided to do so and spend a conservative average of £1000 the nats would argue that would be a tremendous boost to the Scottish economy.

They would probably argue that without Salmond promoting Scotland these readers would go elsewhere.

I told you I believe in negativity and your posts show a determination to follow suit.
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McMillar,

Fife 07/04/2008 09:41:28
#101 Neuman – You missed out Kennedy, Branson, Mandela etc… but you do help make my point which is neither +/- Salmond. He does have a vision and it’s clear. We don’t really know what the others really stand for. Therefore the SNP message will be heard loud and clear and that’s a sure way to win support at home and internationally. He is doing what a leader ought to do.
111

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:41:46
WHAT OF THE BUILDERBURG GROUP?????????????
112

Alan B,

07/04/2008 09:43:03
It has been a pity more space has not been given to discuss Henry McLeish's statements. He actually seems to have a much more credible and sensible unionist position. Having a positive vision rather than self loathing of scotland and undemocratic positions seen by people like brown.

It is interesting to note that the last 3 scottish labour leaders have all wanted more power for the sp but none have been able to deliver.

The big question is how do we sort out the mess that devolution has caused. A parliament created to stop the snp rather than deliver for scotland.

If we do not take the initiative Westmister will do anyway when the tories get in and they will even up the democratic deficit caused by devolution without necessary taking scotland interests into account.
113

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:44:47
WILL BLAIR BECOME THE PONTIFF?????
114

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:45:14
115 Browneye

You are thick and ill-informed.

How much does a full page advert cost in national Geographic. You appear to suggest it is worth an automatic £40,000,000,000.

Tool.
115

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:46:49
CAN BROWN GO BACK TO PROFESSIONAL NEWSREADING????????
116

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:47:24
115 Browneye

With 40 billion readers what if, say, 2 million have a kilt that needs dry cleaning? Does that make you a monkey's uncle?

Man I love the way you use statisitics, £40 billion can be raised from a single page advert. Wow! You are just so good at interpretting the world.
117

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:49:36
WHAT WILL WENDY'S WAINS DO WITHOUT THE 10PENCE TAX BAND?????????
118

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:50:56
WHERE IS WENDY???????
119

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:52:28
WHO IS ALFRED E. SALAD DRESSING?????????
120

Independence, you say? What a marvelous idea!,

07/04/2008 09:52:35
#122 Poor galactic Alfred, less than five hours sleep and still dribbling like a handitarded monkey.
121

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 09:54:31
According to the SNP contributors on this sight.

4/5 people on the planet read National Geographic.

According to international organisations 1/4 can't actually read on this planet.

So the SNP voter above believes 6/5 literate people read national geographic.

"=FACT" no doubt.

They do cheer my day up.

That one is a classic.
122

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:54:52
HAS CAIRNS PUT MOTH BALLS IN THE CUPBOARD WITH HIS CASSOCK ??????????????
123

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:56:07
WHERE WILL BROWNE GO AFTER 2010???????
124

boudica,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 09:58:10
Alec told Andrew Marr about his planned open door policy on Immigration in an "Independant Scotland "..will this be part of the SNP Manifesto for Independence and how do you think this will go down with the Scottish Voting Public
125

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:58:33
WILL CHERIE GO FOR NU/LAB LEADER IN 2011??????
126

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 09:59:12
SO,SO MANY QUESTIONS
127

puskas,

East kilbride 07/04/2008 10:00:24
Well its pretty obvious that a certain poster is a NuLiebour Education, Education, Education failure.

Does Carstairs allow inmates PC use. Throughout the night as well, surely not.

The death knell of the union as we know it is getting closer.
128

MoClana,

07/04/2008 10:01:24
Highland Mighty ( probably lives in council flat in Ardishaig) What utter nonsense you spew. You are just another bigot who's blind hatred for independence blinkers you from reality.
You want to talk about polls? well the last poll for Independence was 34% so where was that one on your Union Jack radar? these same polls have shown differences from 23% to 53% but strangley you select the lower figure mmmh.

Lets assume an average on the above polls and this leaves approx 38% in support, why dont you do like wise for maintaining the Union and the differnece is marginal....thats why your Westminster masters will never agree to a referendum, its simply to close to risk, if Brown lost such a referendum then his time in office would be up almost immidiately ( delaying the inevitable i suppose)

Moreover a clear majority want the right to chose the constitutional future of their country and not have it carved out on a fag packet between the Unionist parties in London.

YOU are the minority in this country and seek to silence Scotlands democratic voice to be heard.
129

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:03:27
133 puska

Do you believe that with 4 Billion readers (over 120% of the actual readers on the planet.) Alex Salmond did a good job getting them to get 1% of there readership (0.8% of the world population) to come on holiday here in the Summer?

You nats are thick as the proverbial planks.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 10:05:45
On behalf of the people of Scotland I would like to thank Sly and shoitee, and his other alias Afraid Noman. Keep up the good work, you wonderful reason to get rid of all the Numpties, and making it a Scottish Party Only.

Put your English money where your mouth is and campaign for a referendum. You would be wiped and you know it.

Your Tory Party couldnt win a raffle here in Scotland. Annabel used to get a touch of admiration from Nationalists, while Wee Jockee used to get the sympathy prize. Nicol gets absolutely nothing because he has betrayed the so called Liberal Democracy philosphy they pour out of their mouths, while at the same time exhibit a tendancy to disregard the right of Scotland to vote for its own future.

Keep it up Pom, your doing a first class job. Could you take up the rights of the whole of the UK's lowest paid who have been shafted by Brown and Darling, with their scrapping of the 10p tax rate. Should encourage millions to work eh?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 07/04/2008 10:06:40
There's a wee con trick going on with polls on independence. By including the choice of 'more powers' as a constitutional preference you do not get to know how people would vote in a straight Yes/No vote on independence. 'More powers' is by some distance the preferred option but most of those people say that if there was a Yes/No referendum they would vote Yes. The preference for 'More powers' is essentially as a second stepping stone to independence but these people are largely indiffernet as to whether that is necessary.

In short, there is a majority desire for independence. What is laughable is the propaganda that the 'More powers' option is portrayed by unionists as being for the union and against independence. That's a lie nomatter how often this is misrepresented in the 'Scottish media'.

That's the real reason that they are afraid of a referendum. They know they're likely to lose!
132

brownlie,

07/04/2008 10:09:31
135 Alfred

Your grasp of basic mathematics is astounding and all your posts remind me of a quotation from Goldsmith

"with words of learned lenght and thundering sound
amazed the gazing rustics all around
and still they gazed, and still the wonder grew
that one small head could carry all he knew"

Incidentally, did no-one ever tell you that tools are useful impliments. Multi-nationals like B & Q make millions out of selling them. Perhaps you can think of something more insulting when you run out of coherent argument. Sorry, you beat me to it.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:14:47
138 brownlie

You said at post 115. 40,000,000 is 1% of the National Geographics readership.

100% is 1% *100 so it follows 40,000,000 *100 is 4,000,000,000 which give or take a few looks like 4 billion. which is more than the number of literate people on this planet.

You SNP are thick.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:17:04
138 Brownlie

Do you now accept you were just making stuff up and pretending to be knowledgable?

You seem to think 320 million people are visiting us this summer? How will the infrastructure cope?
135

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07/04/2008 10:19:50
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John S,

07/04/2008 10:21:40
#109 - Independence, you say? What a marvelous idea: and there's more -
The Sunday Times April 6, 2008 - Tartan Week to be extended to Russia
Historical links between Scotland and Russia include networks of Robert Burns clubs — and a liking for Irn Bru.
The former Soviet Union honoured the man they cherished as a working-class hero with a commemorative stamp.(in 1956 before the Scottish stamp was issued).
The Bard is so popular in Russia that fans there claim to have more Burns clubs than Scotland. All of his poetry has been translated into Russian and it is taught in the country's schools. Burns Night is often held at the Kremlin and relayed around the country on television.Russia also has a thriving Caledonian Society, based in a Scottish cultural centre in Moscow, and a network of St Andrew's societies organising social and cultural events.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article3690131.ece
137

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 07/04/2008 10:24:26
A Scot started the Russian navy and Lermontov (second only to Pushkin) had a Scottish background - the name believed to be Lamont originally.
138

MoClana,

Stirling 07/04/2008 10:25:28
Oi Neuman - you can stop patting yourself on the back now...you can count well done.

Seeing us nationalists are ' thick' can you tell me the average take home on a low paid salry of 6-7k minus the old 10p tax band?

What was that? we are thick?......
139

Highland Lady Afred Mighty 2,

07/04/2008 10:29:17
God I am tired. I was at this thread until 2.30am, having been on all day yesterday and as soon as I got up I threw myself into it! Still, I think my sneering dribble had the Nats on the run!
140

brownlie,

07/04/2008 10:29:57
Alfred

can you ask who-ever is reading the posts for you to explain simple mathematics and do try not to quote figures which were never there in the first place.

I would hesitate to call anyone clueless but in your case I would have to make an exception.

Although it hurts me to say it Salmond has put Scotland firmly on the map whichever figures you chose to believe.
141

subrosa,

07/04/2008 10:31:51
# 145 # 146 and all the rest of your posts.

Fred - your rantings are unreadable.
142

AJM,

07/04/2008 10:33:09
I think if I was a SNP supporter I might be a bit fed up with this article. Alex seems to be acknowledging for the first time that winning a referendum vote in the short term is unlikely to say the least.

He is expecting to see it "in his lifetime", now the question is, is AS starting to let you SNP folk down gently, to make you think a bit longer time than 2010? I think so, he is probably looking at the polls and realising that although his popularity is high there is no appetite, no mood swing, no movement towards wanting independence.
143

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:33:55
144 MoClana

Nothing to do with me I'm afraid. I hate Labour also and they will just create more of the "professionally poor" as a result.

But your obviously looking at 10p in the poond.

Then if you pay council tax or value added tax which remains unchanged out of what's left of your pay you will find the tax on your tax is now a much larger percentage also.

Just because Labour are awful, does not mean the SNP are good.

There are too many dumb sh*tes in this country who vote in people to destroy the country.
144

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:37:41
146 Brownlie

Please don't refer to your embarassment as "Mathematics", using the long term doesn't make you sound knowledgable.

It is basic arithmatic, maths isn't something else, something advanced.

£40,000,000,000 eh? And it just took a one page ad in national geographic, why ever didn't we think of that before?
145

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

07/04/2008 10:38:51
#AJM
"I think so, he is probably looking at the polls and realising that although his popularity is high there is no appetite, no mood swing, no movement towards wanting independence."

There is plenty appetite for independence and so no need for a mood swing or movement. There is also a strong vast majority appetite for an immediate referendum on the matter. If you are so confident of your position tell us why the unionist parties/media are stifling a referendum? They can't possibly lose right?

Put your money where your mouth is..
146

brownlie,

07/04/2008 10:41:19
148 AJM

Quite right too. I'm sure Salmond is looking at the polls and considering that our highly popular disbanding of the 10% rate of tax will send the poor back to Labour in their droves. I hope he does not consider the fact that the poor willingly sacrifice some of their money to pay Gordon's Council Tax will influence voters one way or the other.
147

Highland Lady Afred Mighty 2,

07/04/2008 10:46:10
152. Rubbish. Just because the Treasury Select Committee and its Labour chair said Labour's tax plans are an unreasonable burden which will disprortionately hurt the low paid, does not mean it at odd with Red Wendy's Socialist vision!
148

Alan B,

07/04/2008 10:46:23
Most people apparently unhappy with the current devolved arrangemetns with the majority wanting significantly more powers. These powers have yet to be defined.

It will be interesting to see the result of Wendies commission. If it is a damp squib then people will feel betrayed. There will a big problem if the majority want more powers within the union if that is not a option that is available to us.

The lib dems are the only party that genuinely want to move in that direction but are also a party that would sell their principles without a second thought.


149

AJM,

07/04/2008 10:46:43
# Alex, if that was true As would be for it overnight, it is not me that has to put my money where my mouth is it AS. "in his lifetime" is not the same as in a couple of years is it.
150

Highland Lady Afred Mighty 2,

07/04/2008 10:47:45
151 "Put your money where your mouth is.."

How naive. We unionists will merely state with authority the views of all Scots without the silly necessity of testing it in a referendum!
151

Highland Lady Afred Mighty 2,

07/04/2008 10:50:02
155. AJM - excellent point! As the Euro referendum moves into the afterlife and will be conducted by spiritualist mediums to interpret the will of those who were alive in Labour's first term when it is finally held, along with Labour's voting reform referendum, we should attack the SNP for not holding their manifesto 2010 referendum yet!
152

AJM,

07/04/2008 10:52:04
#152 brownlie, if AS was not concerned about Labour, he would not be attacking them. Just because you think that you are bribing with apparent tax breaks, does not appear to being translated into support for independence.
153

AJM,

07/04/2008 10:55:43
#157 HLAM AS "in his lifetime", his quote his opinion that it will happen in perhaps 15 to 20 yrs, best save your wit for when you have more time in your retirement to concentrate.
154

John S,

07/04/2008 11:04:21
#148-AJM,I agree with #96 Stu_R_20; when he said -At the end of the day he is right: Salmond only needs to win one referendum, the union needs to win them all...........
It would be daft for the SNP to try and call a Scottish referendum before the next UK general election which must be held on or before 3 June 2010.
For the SNP to hold a independence referendum it would require 65 MSP's to agree
The opposition or any MSP can propose a referendum and if they can muster more than the 65 MSP's to agree, it will go ahead.
The ball is in the oppositions court if they think they can win ? or they can wait until a time of the SNP's choosing.
Could The Scottish Government hold an advisory plebiscite (vote) with the support of the Greens and the Scottish Tories on the Lisbon Treaty.
Where would that leave the Westminster Government with part of the UK holding a referendum and having to deny the same to the rest of the UK ?
155

brownlie,

07/04/2008 11:05:33
158 AJM

Much as I hate to disagree with a fellow unionist my point was that no matter how much we tax them, no matter how much money we spend on nuclear weapons, no matter that we engage in illegal wars, no matter how we ill-equip our troops and put their lives at risk, no matter that we have not done anything positive in the last eight years - they will still wish to maintain the status quo by voting for us and obviously do not care about the stagnation of the nation.
156

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:08:41
159. AJM - brilliant comeback! Clearly the phrase "in my lifetime" rules out the next 5 or 10 years as Salmond has not been born yet! It must relate to his festering dotage! Onward and up the inhabitants of the big Red Wendy house. When those low paid na-boabs realise that we are increasing their taxs for their own benefit they will return to the fold.
157

puskas,

East kilbride 07/04/2008 11:11:34
No 135, Have you identified yourself as a poster who is a Liebour " unionist " thicko. maybe aye, maybe naw.

Full name, Ferenc Puskas .... "s" at the end .



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puskas,

East kilbride 07/04/2008 11:17:52
No162... Hawking has an easier problem identifying "The answer to everything".

If unionism wishes to win the debate on independence it would help by banning their unintellectual puppets from websites such as this .. LOL

Ference xx

159

AJM,

07/04/2008 11:21:08
#160 John S, yes things could get messy for UK government if that was to happen, and the Tories have shifted to a more anti europe stance so they could be inclined to go with it. It would cause UK government probably to hold a referendum.

#161 Brownlie I think that the population are not stupid. This short term issue of Iraq is a problem, it is a disaster, however you look at it. However your list is seems to indicate that we should be out of Afghanistan, and leave it so our country is flooded with more drugs and the people are left to the Taliban, with a free training area for terrorists. You should also remember the good work that was done in the Balkans.
160

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 11:21:08
What's the point of Scottish independence? You can be sure than nothing would change. We would still be subject to the same nanny state rules and nazi state laws enforced with a jack-boot mentality.

On the other hand, if the SNP really believed in freedom for Scots, they would be railing against all the infringement of liberty that has been inflicted on us by previous labour administrations. They could start with the smoking ban, then move on to excessive fuel duty, followed by excessive tobacco and alcohol taxes. And also that scurge of the motorist, the speed camera and section 172 of the RTA.

Yes, I realise that these are mainly reserved matters but if Scotland did achieve independence, they would become matters for the Scottish Government. What do they propose to do about them? Presumably nothing. In which case, what point is there in having independence for Scotland? Nothing will change. No-one will benefit. Wee will still be oppressed.
161

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:22:21
164. We Unionists have no intention of "debating" independence. We will instead manufacture outlandish scare stories, all the while confident that the people of Scotland will vote for us anyway, as is their duty and is our right! The lump'n masses will be lump'n it some more!
162

brownlie,

07/04/2008 11:22:22
163

Hoi, Puskas, much as I admire you ball control, your dribbling, your tremendous shot and your ability to win European Cups it does not give you the right to have unionists and thickos in the same sentence. Every one knows that we are not thickos otherwise we would back a referendum which we might lose.
163

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:24:04
166. good point! In an independent Scotland there will be no elections and no parties to put forward alternative policies, so lowering fuel duty would be impossible!
164

Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 11:26:50
There goes Alex again bigging it up.......World class exaggerator is old Alex.ssssssssssssssstretches everything he does to impress .

He wasn't much in evidence in the major newspapers as i never saw any articles about him............Mind i havent looked on the 'smoking gun lately'
165

Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 11:27:06
And the nats are still looking for their plot. How many fake unionists do they have going now?

Support for independence down 6% on last May, eh? Salmond is doing a fantastic job for the pro-UK cause.

Go, Agent Salmond, go.
166

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:30:22
171. Nice one! It is imperative we ignore polls we do not like! That one taken April 2-4% showing increased support for independence at 34% and 65% support for a refernedum is total hogwash, as it was taken only in Scotland (and don't let the Nats trick you into discussing it, stay with the older 23% number, seems better!). We Unionists favour Uk wide polling anyway.
167

brownlie,

07/04/2008 11:35:22
171 Highland

Highland you are not doing our cause any good by quoting polls as the nats will come back with more polls and before you know where you are the country will be full of them.
168

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:43:05
173. Brownlie, I am not sure. I think Highland, by quoting old polls, is onto something! Perhaps we can lure the Nats into a time warp! My plan is to start quoting polls from 1961 - the SNP were on 0.1% !! That will flummox them.
169

Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 11:44:49
#170 & 171

Good to see you lads back. Have you hidden AM2??
Good to see you spouting the same old drivel.
Why bother posting when you say nothing of any worth?
170

boudica,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 11:49:29
"A lot of people in Scotland believe the guff about the economy which has been talked for a generation – that Scotland is a poor, wee, dependent place. In fact, Scotland is potentially one of the richest countries on the planet, and if we became independent next week we'd be the third most prosperous country in Europe." The only ones that believ that is the SNP ..Scotland has a vibrant economy uneployment is at its lowest ..and is in a much better position than it has been for decades ..and who was it that did it ??? for all the SNP put down Labour it was due to them being in Power in Westminster as before that they had to fight various Tory Governments for us ...I think Labour should get back to its roots and dump the Nulabour Tag and start to listen to the People as for the SNP ..Alec salmond said he would listen to the People of Scotland but he only listens to the Money People and they are like him a Minority on the whole the Majority do not want Independence but Wee Eck turns a deaf ear to them ...so like Nulabour he will be brought down ... he spends all his time thinking up new ways to bicker with Westminster and when his policies fail he blames them too..People are fed up to the back teeth with it all and he will find that out at the next election ..His letters to the 2 Dicktators only added the Title Backstabber to the various other titles he has attained by the Scottish Public ...
171

Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 11:52:42
Although I listened to every word on the radio this morning there wasn't one single mention of Red Wendy. As a TV license payer, I feel I must complain about the lack of coverage Red Wendy is getting. The BBC are obviously biased against New Labour Sleaze and Corruption. Giving hours of time to Alex Salmond while Red Wendy and for that matter Cheeseburger Jackie, get nothing.
I was looking forward to hearing Red Wendy explain how the tax changes will benefit the poor deprived 2 year old weans. Hopefully when we get our independence Red Wendy will be Prime Minister and will make sure that Scotland is as red as a beetroot.
172

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 11:53:26
Nikostratos

*He wasn't much in evidence in the major newspapers as i never saw any articles about him*

1 National Examiner "NEW YORK, April 5, 2008
All three Presidential candidates have united to back the Scotland Week celebrations in the USA in an unprecedented show of solidarity." and -

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim April 6, 2008, as National Tartan Day. I call upon all Americans to observe this day by celebrating the continued friendship between the people of Scotland and the United States and by recognizing the contributions of Scottish Americans to our Nation." - and -

"Growing support for Scotland on Capitol Hill

This year's Scotland Week events were attended by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer as well as bipartisan group of Senators and Congressmen on Capitol Hill with a packed out reception and Tartan Day dinner in the Library of Congress."

Senators Obama, Clinton and McCain have issued statements of support for the Tartan Day and Scotland Week celebrations -- and President George W Bush has also issued a proclamation in support."
173

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:54:50
176. Nice one! Great point!

If anyone mentions Blair and Brown meeting with the likes of Ghadaffi and crawling all over the Chinese Government, just move on! Of course Salmond writing to the member countries of UN treaty group on nuclear prolileration was back-stabbing, while UK Prime Ministers meeting with dictatorial governments is OK!

Life your riff on "who made Scotland's economy so good?" - if anyone mentions Scotland's 30 year GDP growth gap with the UK and other small countries in Europe, just blame that on the SNP and move on!

Onwards the Union!
174

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 11:56:39
Sun Herald (South Mississippi)

Same quotes
175

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 11:56:44
177. Nat fool! Vulnerable 2 year olds do not pay income tax! They will however benefit from our inheritance tax cuts in the likely event of them being the beneficiary of a millionaire's will! Onwards the Red Unionist Socialist cause!
176

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 11:58:28
Times on-line (Tartan Tories go to Russia)

"SCOTLAND Week is to be extended to Russia to take advantage of Scotland's cultural and trade links with eastern Europe.

Alex Salmond, who has just completed a week of promotional events in North America, wants to take advantage of historical links between the two nations."
177

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 12:00:12
182. When Niko said he saw no evidence of Scotland Week in the "major papers" he was referring to the Joppa Free Prebyterian Church Parish newsletter and the Morningside Echo.
178

brownlie,

07/04/2008 12:01:12
174 Union

Sound good to me - I'll run it past Jackie - it will take some time!
179

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 12:01:22
University of Virginia

"April 1, 2008 — Addressing a standing-room-only audience in the Dome Rome of the University of Virginia's Rotunda Tuesday, Alex Salmond, the first minister of Scotland, linked his nation's independence to the principles of Thomas Jefferson"

Good picture too.

tinyurl.com/6q9d73
180

Stepford Nat..,

07/04/2008 12:29:41
He's back! Hurray! This is the greatest living scot who ever drew breadth in the world, and he's one of us.

How great he is, and what a wonderful job he's doing in keeping people talking about independence (helped also to my fellow sympathisers on this forum).

He can do no wrong; liebore is rubbish!
181

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 12:33:56
186

Drew "breath" not "breadth" - unless of course you're being unflattering about his girth.

;-)
182

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 12:34:57
186. Rubbish! Jack McConnell and Henry McLeish were political giants and statesmen in comparison to this Salmond person! Did you not behold the publicity Jack McConnell received in the USA when show-casing our economic and skills base through the visual medium of a pin-striped skirt! And what has Salmond done instead, just babbled on about investment and renewable energy, totally missing the big picture themes of post modern mens skirt-wear!

As for Labour being rubbish! Hogwash! Wendy Alexander's donations and being called "shockingly and appallingly bad" by here own MSPs is part of a cunning plan to lull Salmond into over-reaching! Northern rock, losing the country's data and Iraq are just planks in our plan to make the SNP think we are planks, then we will pounce!
183

Stepford Nat..,

07/04/2008 12:37:33
187 Durely you mean "girdth"

188 As you're a unionist, you are wrong

ww.snp.org! we're not bigots!
184

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 12:42:49
189. Oh, you SNP are total bigots! Its just all about Scotland with you lot! All Scotland, all the time! Its all about Scottish services and the Scottish economy and the Scottish people for you lot!

Well, who, outside of Scotland, wants any of that? Thankfully us Unionists' battle-cries for "British Jobs for British Workers" is not narrowly nationalistic and our desire to preserve Britain at all costs is nothing to do with our notions of the nation-state!
185

Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 12:46:47
#188 Union Is Best,

Have to agree with you about Jack and his strippy skirt - what an advert for North Britain! Is he still modelling them in Congo-Bongoland. Bet the locals prefer them to grass skirts (although the grass skirts are much better to smoke- so I'm told!). Does Red Dougie wear one like Our Dear Leader??
186

brownlie,

07/04/2008 12:52:35
186 Stepford

So he's back - where was he? I would rather concentrate on the issues that matter to Scotland such as the new initiatives from Wendy Alexander as a result of the Aviemore love-in. Obviously there has been no mention of that in the Nat-loving Scottish newspapers.
187

Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 13:03:00
172. Do you want to re-type that gibberish?

YouGov has support for independence DOWN 6% from 2006 (not last May..oops!).

You would have thought with all the effort the SNP and the nats have put into making us angry with the UK, it would actually be 'up' not 'down'.

All this posting of anti-UK gibberish on every media site going and support has gone DOWN.

All the ridiculous stories about Norwegian chessmen, curry chefs, bank notes, Thomas Jefferson, oil rig safety, air guns, a "lack of a free press" and on and on and on it went....and support has actually gone DOWN!

It really couldn't be more of a failure!
188

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 13:05:23
193. Quite right! Yougov has support for independence at 34% (remind me, why are we discussing this when your 23% figure is better? we can't quote 23% and then quote a you-gov poll at 34% can we? ah sod, it, we can quote whatever we want!)
189

brownlie,

07/04/2008 13:09:30
193 Highland

A poll for the nat-lovin Sun shows that 50% of Scots do not want independence. A mathematical genius like Alfred E. Neuman will work out that the clear majority of Scots do not, I repeat, do not want independence. That is as plain as the nose on George Foulkes face and your posting confirms this.
190

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 13:09:53
193 Highland Mighty

I hate to correct you on behalf of the seperatitsts, you come across as a good humoured and informed chap, but...

Following the Saltire prize being reported in the National Geographic which ha a readership of 4,000,000,000 every American to wonga-wonganese is now in favour of independence.

That is 85.347% of the world's population now wanting a free Scotland. And if they spend a "conservative" £2.68 down their local tesco then we are the worlds richest and wisest nation.
191

brownlie,

07/04/2008 13:18:48
193 Highland Mighty

Yes the SNP do make us angry with their ridiculous assertions that Scots have enough intelligence, common-sense and business acumen to run a small but well-resourced country. No wonder business people like Tom Farmer, Tom Hunter and Brian Soutar left this country in despair years ago - never to return.
192

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 13:20:24
195 Browneye

How can HM posting confirm that George Foulkes has a big nose?

Is his nose size/colour and shape the new scientific measure of support for independence. I bet it is, the facts being somewhat inconvienient at this stage of your campaign cycle.
193

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 13:22:09
197 Browneye

I think you will find all those business people that "support Scotland" leave this country because they, well inconveniently for you, DO NOT support Scotland and would hate to see the hard earned money they profiteer from Scots every day going to fund hospital, schools and services through taxation.
194

AJM,

07/04/2008 13:22:26
#194 Union good to see that you are keeping your spirits up, remember AS says he can see "independence in his lifetime", not tomorrow as some SNP supporters believe.
How does it make you feel that you will drawing your pension in the Union?

Just looked at a news feed site and put in Salmond and find nothing from the US newspapers. You would have thought that the £10 m would have made some impact.
195

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 13:22:55
200
196

frank mcbride,

lusitan 07/04/2008 13:23:09
Be still my excitable, impatient brethren.

There will be no need for an unnecessary Referendum after the forthcoming Westminster Election.

Yes, Alfred, HM and others, you will be vindicated by the return of an overall SNP majority. You faith in the inate intelligence of the Scottish electorate is truly awe-inspiring.
197

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 13:27:14
202 Franky my dear boy

The SNP are a better lot than Labour, feint praise I know, but no-one doubts that.

It is their flagship policy no-one supports. The reason it gets ridiculed here is that it is an independence thread.

Labour have been making boon-doggles in their tax and waste / au pair state for tto long now.

But independence, that is a f*cking liberty, if you excuse the ironic pun.
198

Calum Crubag,

07/04/2008 13:31:21
Heeltoe Maytie,
Latest polls on April 2-4 showed SNP up by several points and likely to gain several seats. Labour are in meltdown and Wendy's ratings are abysmal. Even a stooge like you has to admit that.

Labour's ratings will plummet further whwen their new Tory tax plans start to bite. Even some of the notoriously spineless Labour backbenchers are balking at plans to increase taxation of the poor whilst those earning £50k plus will benefit.

I look forward to seeing HM defend or deny this.

Ma auld dear who's a pensioner is gonna lose out almost immedielty. You'd think that Labour actually WANTED to drive voters into SNP hands!

And now, there's Labour plans for 'Hitler YOuth' style Brit Nat cadet squads in all high schools! Teaching kids to shoot guns while saluting the Union Jack and singing GSTQ!!! How progressive. How socialist...
199

DER FUHRER,

07/04/2008 13:44:16
Did anybody buy the paper today?

Did you see the picture of Linda Fabiani at the head of the parade?

WTF was she wearing? She made my granny look trendy.

Those sandals?
That pullover (or whatever it was)?

What a site (and I mean site).

The Americans must have had a great laugh.

That will be the Scottish fashion industry now officially dead in the States.
200

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 13:50:37
I hear they're considering a Local Income Tax in England.

It's to be called English Lit.
201

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 13:50:47
200. AJM! Great post! "Salmond's life-time" does not include tomorrow or the next 5-10 years, as he is spending those dead to avoid the Labour tax rise - what a tax evdader!
202

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 13:56:45
205. Great post! Hit them where it hurts! The Americans are stupid (almost as stupid as the Scots) so they will of course obsess with what this Fabiani person was wearing rather than the babble of Salmond's nonsense about investment and energy!

haha - double whammy time - we Unionists say there is zero coverage of Scotland week in the USA (because Salmond is there this year, McConnell was never off MSNBC and Jay Leno!), now we hit you with the horror of saturation coverage of Fabian's shoes! You Nats can't win! Ps - pin-striped skirts were de-rigeur that other time as we were looking at harvesting pin-striped renewable energy!
203

frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/04/2008 14:38:06
#206, Sally.

No, you are wrong. It will be called:

LIT, trading as English Tax Ltd.

I think this is the correct English Language expression.
204

Independence, you say? What a marvelous idea!,

07/04/2008 14:46:39
#208 pinstripe skirts you say Mr Union is Best, try hoiking this one up with your thumbs.


http://flickr.com/photos/23785755@N04/2356958289/sizes/o/in/pool-401038@N22/
205

boudica,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 15:04:46
179 ....as for the Chinese Government ..No it isnt right ..I dont like it and I let them know that by emailing my MP and 10 Downing street the same with the BAE Inquiry getting stopped me I prefer they stopped sending Arms to the Saudi`s ... and please as for the usual war cry ..they are doing it for the Oil ..How many of those who shout this line are actually car drivers ? most of them ...I dont see them giving up Driving ..do you ...maybe if they all stopped buying Petrol that would sort out that arguement ..Imagine if all car drivers stopped buying pterol for a month or 2 and used public transport what do you think the Oil rich Countries would do ...I know that wont happen as the " Green Team " do all the shouting about it but still want to drive their fuel guzzling cars
206

boudica,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 15:17:55
Union is Best With the SNP it is not all about all Scots or Scotland it is about the few Scots who want to run Scotland into the Ground and as for the LIT ..you can bet those Few Scots wont need to pay that as they will no doubt be living off the interest of their Stockshares etc and Joe Soap will be footing the bill as usual ...
207

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 15:30:50
how delighted can a lad be,it is hilarious ,the unionists above whatever colour,what a lot of nonsense .Your going down the tubes with Gordon's hands, knuckles white upon the wheel,steaming on to oblivion ,23% AH AH AH AH,most people will never read these threads,but then again they have no need to,they can see where the effort is coming from,time and time again.
For there can be none other than the Labour Party in the final analysis of the Union that will break its back,a Party that has used,twisted and contorted this institution for its own short term political gains.
Therefore it is so totally pathetic to see so many Unionists of different colours blindly hanging onto the coattails of Labour,pathetic
208

danielrober,

07/04/2008 16:06:19
I'd only ask Alec.S to consider larger politics. We are at war and many in America, are under considerable pressure form an international terroist war. This is no game and no time for nationalistic tendences.

The head will not read 'Freedom in Scotland'. No head lines around the world it will read 'Terrorists defeat Britain, America's number one ally'. Who's next.

But then Alec.S comes across as thinking he's above this, how typical of his generation of westmnister politicans. Quick wins = long beating for the rest of us.
209

danielrober,

07/04/2008 16:08:44
Every week Alex.S pushes more Anglo-Scots and Scots living in the rest of the UK away from his camp. We are start to talk more and more about why did our relatives have to leave Scotland?

210

Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 16:40:24
danielrober #215 & 216

So what is your point exactly? When is AS to consider 'larger' politics? Should we put all our lives on hold because of a 'terrorist' threat??
And as for the #1 ally bit, who supplied the IRA with financial and political support when they were killing and maiming??
211

puskas,

East kilbride 07/04/2008 17:12:47
No168, Read 163 again.

My dribbling skills were non-existant. My father tought me that the ball travelled faster than the man... Team awarenest and finding space is important..

Do you know my record was better than Pele's.
212

puskas,

East kilbride 07/04/2008 17:14:26
No214 Spook,

I agree with you..
213

danielrober,

07/04/2008 17:21:44
# 217

What else has this guy talked about, apart from independance? I do not want to be like AM or some others who fill pages of details and comments, but there is more to running a country, than one issue.

What is Alex.S opinion and policy on drugs?
What is Alex.S opinion and policy on ship building?
What is Alex.S opinion and policy on a new generation of Scots businesses run by Scots, rather than handing contracts to EU companies?
How will Scots pensions be paid?
Whats the plan fo the NHS after independence?
What, why, when, how, etc, etc.

Where are the heck are the details. The SNP party has been planning this for decades. LETS SEE THE PLANS. Is there a plan?


Running a country takes work, then politics.
214

Highland Mighty,

07/04/2008 17:35:05
220. Dream on.
There is not a single SNP plan for post-independence.
There is not a single SNP guarantee that Scotland will be better off outside the UK.
There is not a single SNP statistic that Scotland will be richer post-independence other than that totally baseless and unsubstantiated promise that "Scotland will be the 3rd richest country in the world".
There is not a single guarantee that Scottish-based multinationals won't hightail it to England which will almost certainly revert to a low-tax economy under the Tories.
The SNP can't even decide whether they are pro-EU or pro-Euro.
They claim to want to emulate Ireland but there is no sign of wanting to copy their ultra-low tax/spending economy instead they seem to just want more and more money to spend.
Do the SNP intend on applying to the EU for the massive aid that Ireland needed to become that 'Celtic Tiger'?

Will we ever be told any of the above? Don't hold your breath (unless you're a nat, in which case I would suggest the use of a plastic bag which will make it easier).
215

FrancesP,

07/04/2008 17:35:58
#220. Unfortunately, your argument is just a little undermined by the contents of a document known as the SNP Manifesto. It consists of 76 pages, no fewer than 58 of which are under of the headings 'Finance and Sustainable Growth', 'Health and Wellbeing', 'Education, Skills, Culture and Arts', 'Justice' and 'Rural Affairs'. And yet this is a party that has apparently never talked about anything except independence.

Perhaps you should do at least thirty seconds of research before you blunder in with your next comment.
216

Jimmy the Pie,

07/04/2008 17:40:36
danielrober,

In case you hadn't noticed the SNP are already running Scotland.
Alex S hasn't legalised drugs and is unlikely to.
Alex S likes ships and thinks its a good idea for an island nation to build them.
Lost you on the business question. Maybe you should ask Souter, Farmer, etc about their thoughts??
Pensions will be paid by BACS as at the moment. We've been paying in just like everyone else.
The NHS will continue but without the private sector.
Our education system will continue without all the target nonsense.
We won't be getting involved in any illegal wars.
We won't be allowing any rendition flights to use any part of Scotland.
Have a look at www.snp.org

It is quite obvious really if you think about it!!
217

danielrober,

07/04/2008 17:42:03
I think some more independance will offer some more benefits for all the UK and Scotland. But not with this guy. I can't follow the rules of the Scotsman to describe my opinion of this f*t little man at the moment.

Wrong man SNP, he just p*ss*s people off.

Hell i'm not even scared of expressing my current opinion of him. He's going to trash so much anyway, may as well have my voice heard. Though he'll no listen.
218

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/04/2008 17:45:41
224. WHy is he the most popular First Minister since devolution then?
219

FrancesP,

07/04/2008 17:46:30
#224. "Hell i'm not even scared of expressing my current opinion of him...though he'll no listen." True. And therein lies the essence of the great man's wisdom.
220

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 17:48:36
"I can't follow the rules of the Scotsman to describe my opinion of this f*t little man at the moment." and then

So that's how you base your political decisions then..on weight? Who would you vote for in the Dumbarton Constituency?
221

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 17:49:55
227 delete "and then" It doesn't make sense. I've been reading the marijuana article in the Evening Times.
222

Miss H,

07/04/2008 17:50:06
211 Boudicca - people using public transport instead of cars would not end our dependency on oil because public transport runs on oil too. It might reduce it but not significantly.

Interestingly SNP Conference in April will be discussing how we can manage the move from petroleum based fuels to clean fuels across Scotland and within what timescale. It's going to be an interesting debate but no doubt you will disapprove simply because it is the SNP.
223

The Canadian,

07/04/2008 17:56:02
Is it not time for the Scottish Government to organise the events they wish and to hold them at another time of the year in North America, rather than at the time of celebrating Tartan Day/Week.
The main purpose of the event has now been overshadowed by Scottish politics rather than Highland/Scottish/Gaelic culture in all its different forms as it was meant to be.

Most North Americans are interested in Scotland from a Cultural and historical perspective and not a political one. Why would anyone want to go to Scotland from North America to see shipyards be they old or new or go to a factory. Do many from Scotland, who go to India or New York go to see the slums there no they go to the tourist trails or traps whatever you want to call them. One goes to Scotland to find out the places where ones ancestors or family came from.

224

Miss H,

07/04/2008 17:59:00
220 As well as the Scottish Parliament manifesto the SNP has past manifestos for Westminster and Europe on its website for anyone to read.

http://www.snp.org/issues/manifestos
225

danielrober,

07/04/2008 18:02:36
225 Ayrshire Scot

Scotlands only had three others,and the first died.

227 Sally Kent,

Maybe i should vote for myself.

We can't keep pretending that the UK/Scotland and the other nations don't have serious problems. It will never be the same again after Blair. He might not of given you the answer you wanted but at least he tried. The old politics of Alec.S, were we don't need to worry, just put your cross here are no longer good enougth.
226

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/04/2008 18:05:51
232. Alex Salmond has a +77% popularity rating, comparing to -22% for Wendy Alexander. WHy is this?
227

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:09:02
Vote danielrober for brand new politics

What would you do daniel? What would your policies be?
228

McX,

07/04/2008 18:13:58
#232

"He might not of given you the answer you wanted but at least he tried."

Yes poor Tony, like Adolf, Benito, and Joe he was only issuing orders.
229

Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 18:17:19
#178 Sally Kent

Oh dear poor sally......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Examiner

The National Examiner is a supermarket tabloid owned by the American Media Corporation. Like other tabloids, its contents have often come under question, and it has been derided for its sensationalistic writing.

The Examiner has the fewest pages and is the least expensive tabloid in American Media's portfolio; it aims for an older audience. While its sister publications focus on more current content (such as the National Enquirer's focus on celebrity news and Globe's political and culture stories), the Examiner focuses on longer-standing stories; stories involving Loretta Lynn and Elizabeth Taylor have been frequently featured on the Examiner's front page. Also prominently featured among the Examiner's stories are articles on daytime television, usually of dubious quality (for instance, an article on The Price Is Right published a week before the 36th season had already declared new host Drew Carey a flop and speculated the return of former host Bob Barker).
230

danielrober,

07/04/2008 18:20:48
# 233.

This mathematics matters little with Scotlands main trading partner been slowly alienated. Alex.S is winning, very few 'English' down here even care. So where are th jobs going to come from.

P.S. Whisky is slowly been replaced by Vodka.


#234.

Complusary drug testing for all candidates. If you fail the test you can not stand for this election. Representing your country as a politican should follow the same rules politicans apply to sports people.

After all if you've an illegal substance in your blood, without been spiked, you have associate with criminals and do business with them.

Then i would give people in Scotland a break from this constant moaning about been down troden. It's BS and boring.
231

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:27:07
236
#178 Sally Kent

"Oh dear poor sally......The National Examiner is a supermarket tabloid"

Oh dear Niko....in my haste I said it was the National Examiner. My mistake. It's the www.examiner.com and has nothing to do with that rag of a magazine.

It pulls in all the news from the USA by state. It also covers world news. Some topics in today's internet page are:
* Olympic Torch Extinguished in Paris Protests
* Bush Sends Columbia Trade Pact to Congress
* Clinton Seeks Post-Penn Course

It also gives the main topics from
ABC News
CBS News
FOX News (boo)
CNN
MSNBC

It's the national edition of the examiner. Sorry to have wasted your time.
232

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:28:22
danielrober

"Complusary drug testing for all candidates."

Well that's half the cabinet away then.
233

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/04/2008 18:32:21
238. hehehehee Poor Niko
234

danielrober,

07/04/2008 18:35:43
# 239

Good, then they are a part of the problem. White collar drug users, arrrgggghhhh.

This constant moaning affects the next generation you know. Low self asteam may sound like a load of tosh, but it's real. Alex.S needs to back off and let people breath, we are not all Politicans with huge expense accounts.
235

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/04/2008 18:39:28
242. Dropping Sally Kent now? You were sussed a few days ago........
236

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:42:36
244 Ayrshire Scot

Pardon? The poster at 242 and 243 is having a laugh at your expense. He does NOT answer for me. I actually WAS wasting nikostrotos's time.
237

Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 18:48:25
I knew all the time.he he he he..........Your voice was much softer and sultry as sally..........now i see its back to your harsh Doric twang..................


Ayrshire

“Well, remember what you said, because in a day or two, I'll have a witty and blistering retort! You'll be devastated THEN!”

Calvin & Hobbes
238

Truely English,

07/04/2008 18:51:06
It seems the Union is in serious trouble now, but of course this is not the first time. Soon we will have all the comments about The Battle of Culloden and how it was a Scottish-English affair. There were as many Scots fighting for the Union with the Duke of Cumberland as against it with Bonnie Prince Charlie.

THe Union will go through many trials and tribulations yet but there is no question it will survive as we are now all one people. All very different from 1746.
239

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:54:45
Nikostratos

I am afraid you have me confused with someone else.

Truely (sic) English

Why would anyone say that Culloden was Scot v English?
It is also irrelevant.
240

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:58:40
Did you know that 5 years ago today, the US troops took Baghdad?
241

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:00:39
Truely English,
I'm not so much a supporter of the SNP as I am of 84% of the North Sea being retained by its owners.

Danielrober,
You mentioned ship yards???where do you live South Korea?it was your beloved Labour party that sold them down the Clyde,check your History!

Nikostratosphere,
Your name has always puzzled me,a certain Greek touch to it,not perhaps HRH Duke of Edinburgh by any chance?
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:02:05
#249,
Yup, Mission accomplished
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/04/2008 19:04:44
I don't know. Make a post on one thread, read a few comments on another and then have to sign in again. Must be all about click for advertising. How sad.

Anyway, danielrober@237, most of the uk vodka is distilled in Markinch. Just like the gin.
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:06:11
23% for Independence!!!!!!

AYE RIGHT!
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:08:50
23% of the Jedburgh Young Conservatives,
for Independence
246

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:18:25
Whats the on the ground stats for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath I wonder?
247

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:25:13
The Red Paper Scotland,?

Scotland the Real Divide,well after 50years I know about that!

Where there is Greed and Values,thats certainly about political Scotland,a book before its time!

And this is the cracker:-
Visions and Voices:An Anthology of Socialism

Gordon the Author!
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:26:27
Gordon the Newsreader--DRONE
249

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:27:34
Gordon the Prime Minister--0
250

glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:28:33
Lord Gordon----who would know???
251

Miss H,

07/04/2008 19:28:46
247 The Battle of Culloden?

You seem to inhabit a strange parallel universe if I can paraphrase Des Browne.
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glassbenmhor,

07/04/2008 19:58:21
I might lay a bet on Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath Constiuancy at the Bookies if they'll take it,I know lets have Yankee Double sweep on that and Kilmarnock and Loudoun.
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Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 20:09:46
Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around

Just what makes that little old Alex the snp ant
Think he'll move that 'Union' tree plant
Anyone knows an snp ant, cant
Move a 'Union' tree plant

But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your getting low
stead of letting go
Just remember that Alex the snp ant
Oops there he goes bashing his head against another 'Union' tree plant

But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes.


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The Strategist,

07/04/2008 20:20:23
#229 Miss H

What conference in April?
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Paloma negra,

07/04/2008 20:26:04
Salmond comes back with his head up his a*se ... more likely !!!
The man and his followers are living in a fantasy world.
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Union is Best,

07/04/2008 20:30:04
#262. Niko - great work - love the SNP as an ant anology.

(PS- word from the wise, perhaps next time you could use an example from Unionists are not vegetable matter? Otherwirse, good work!)
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barbour,

Vaasa 07/04/2008 20:32:09
All this so called wish for Scottish Independance,or maybe just another jock whinge that we in the rest of the world are so used to hear from the whinge capital of the world,surely could be resolved by your so called "government" organising and running a REFERENDUM, with two little boxes on a piece of paper with the words "Tick here if you want an independant Scotland" or "Tick here if you want to remain in the Union"Each person in Scotland on the electoral role could be sent one of these papers then they could choose an option and returned to via a BALLOT BOX to be counted and the appropriate path could be taken by the Parish Council in Holyrood therefor most people will be satisfied.
I did specify a tick rather than a X as I did not want the good folk of Scotland to think that they were signing for something.
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McX,

07/04/2008 20:49:51
#266 Hey Barbour, the great Finnish director and lovable pissshead, Aki Kaurismaki described an English guy he knew that lived in Helsinki as 'vittumainen', was he talking about you?
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Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 20:58:06
#265


GRAND ORANGE LODGE OF IRELAND
APPLICATION FOR
Past Masters Certificate
.......... day .............................. 20 ..........
I hereby Certify that Brother ...........union is best...................................................................……….......................
(Christian & Surname in full)



was duly elected and served as Worshipful Master of L.O.L. No. ...........……...................
Title of Lodge .............................................................................……………..................................
which meets at ......................………........ Orange Hall, District of .......................................
working under the County Grand Lodge of .................................………................................
for ..…....... years, from 1st January, .......….......... to the 31st December ..…..................
(Each year should be calculated from 1st January until 31st December)
and herewith enclose the sum of £2.30 (inclusive of postage) and request that a Past
Master's Certificate be issued in his name.
NAME ......………...…...............................................................
(Please Print)
FULL ADDRESS

..................................................................................................
Secretary, L.O.L. No. .......................
Tel No. ………………………...
The Grand Secretary
Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland
"Schomberg House"
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 21:03:34
268
But oranges ARE vegetable matter Niko.
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Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 21:13:21
#269 Conan

wasn't talking to you your a 'nationalist' unlike my good friend 'Union is best'
262

Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 21:22:08
270
Aye.He is one of the more...intelligent of all the unionistas, Niko.
263

barbour,

Vaasa 07/04/2008 21:23:45
#267 McX
Like your sense of humour,don't like your use of Finnish adjectives though,neither would the editor of this rag if he knew Finnish!
To answer your question "vittumainen" does not refer to me,by the way you have spelt it wrongly,if you are going to use a foreign language please at least learn to spell in that language and use it in the correct tense.
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Nikostratos,

07/04/2008 21:31:35
#271 conan

Yes I am sure he will lead us 'Unionists' to the place where we should go..........he has my vote anyway with his unionist brain

http://www.vroom.org.au/images/brainpic_1024.jpg

gnight im offski
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McX,

07/04/2008 21:37:32
#272 I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fukkin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Apols for incorrect spelling it was long ago and we were very, very drunk, the other choice sweary he had was kusipaa...or something similar.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 21:47:25
273
"Yes I am sure he will lead us 'Unionists' to the place where we should go..........he has my vote anyway with his unionist brain"

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Betsy-Cameron/Down-the-Garden-Path-Print-C10011520.jpeg
267

brownlie,

07/04/2008 21:50:31
265 Union is best

I don't agree - ants are industrious creatures - surely you're not suggesting Alex is industrious?
268

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 21:55:29
276. Brownlie - of course not (unless Jackie has said that industrious is bad, in which case I am for sure). I meant ants were very small and covered in chitin, and prone to forming minority administrations so are similar to the SNP.
269

barbour,

Vaasa 07/04/2008 21:57:51
#274.McX
I will amplify,"funny as a fool"I will not be drawn into semantics by some one who is as ignorant of the Finnish language as you obviously are.Kaurismaki used many expletives during his career in Helsinki most unreapeatable in polite society,hope he has a better reception in his adoptive country.
His liking for lager possibly is why he rarely made a film that lasted longer than 90 mins.
You infer that you drank in his company,"some claim to fame eh"He may be the most prolific Finnish film maker but rarely seen,if at all out side of Finnish blue stocking brigade.
270

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:00:33
278. With respect, you seem like an anally retentive, boring, humourless, dull, pedantic little smidgen of a creature whose posts are barely readable, full of smug conceit, self satisfaction but fail miserably to elicit a titter of wit or any have impact.

In short, I rather like your style and would like to invite you to join our Unionist posting team!

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brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:02:28
279 Union

Hear! Hear!
272

brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:06:32
Union is best

I see our usual suspects, I mean supporters, Nikos and Highland Mighty have been waxing lyrical do you think our jobs are at risk?

I like the cut of Sally Kent's jib - any chance of recruiting her?
273

Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 22:09:28
278
Educated, intellectual, women like him?

What about the men?Or is that just semantics too?
274

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:09:44
282. No, I heard Jackie and George saying in the office that Highland makes too many gaffes on here and is exposing us all to ridicule, and that Alfred has a drink problem a mile wide and spends alot of time just posting really weird "blah blah blah blah" posts that only David Whitton thinks are any good, so there is no chance they will get rid of us!
275

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:11:55
282. Hey, did you hear that AM2 got promoted to the Labour expense claims and foreign donations department! Jackie told me today and said that is what hard work on here can get you to!
276

barbour,

vaasa 07/04/2008 22:12:19
#279 & 280
I'm glad I got my message across.But if you don't understand the content try not to comment on topics beyond your ken.
In fact if ignorance were bliss both of you would be the happiest people in the world.Try reading the posts that I was replying to,if your intellect will allow you to understand the content.
277

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:17:54
287. Excellent, you have passed the application and the job is yours! Loved the use of hackneyed and boring cliché from 'witty remarks r us website' (ignorance is bliss, you'd be happiest ....etc). Your blind belief that you had any message at all and it got across means most ridicule of your pompous style will just brush off you, a vital asset on here let me tell you!

Love the tautological and frankly confusing use of- "try reading post if your intellect will allow" - clearly you wouldn't waste your time writing a big post if you thought it wouldn't so that is both bizarre and pompous - extra points!

When can you start - Highland usually covers the 12.00-2.30am and 10.00am-9.00pm shifts, but his hemorrhoids are playing up so he asked for some time off tomorrow.
278

barbour,

Vaasa 07/04/2008 22:20:04
To all,must go,have to be in Turku in the am,goodnight to all you jock whingers,I used to be paranoic now I just think people are picking on me.Should be Scotland's national anthem.
279

brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:21:00
286 Union

Whisper it, I heard AM2 only got the job because his ant is Jackie's best pal.
280

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:21:12
289. "I used to be paranoic now I just think people are picking on me." LOL ROTFL LMAO CBFLOL LOL. Nice one.

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Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 22:21:43
287
Oh barbour...If your post at 266 insults the entire population of Scotland(which it did), expect a wee bit of retaliation.
Your message got across.
282

brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:22:21
287 barbour

Sorry I missed your message and who on earth is ken?

I like the cut of your jacket all the same,
283

McX,

07/04/2008 22:23:19
Gosh feller, obviously 'kusipaa' is a lot worse than I remembered. I thought you might have detected a slightly whimsical tone to my e-pistle, and yes the obvious film reference too, but alas and alack t'was not to be.

Tell me dear heart, is this how you normally dress of an evening whilst pontificating on subjects you know little about?

http://tinyurl.com/56vaft

Now nobody else look at this photograph, (that means you Spooky) I don't want Barbour feeling picked on, just because I've chosen to present him in his national costume...
284

Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 22:26:54
294
Feel Pricked on?
285

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:28:58
296. I bet he doth bleed alot....
286

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:29:48
294. LOL, great pic and 293 liked his jacket before he saw it - he could clearly tell from his posts
287

McX,

07/04/2008 22:31:14
I tried to get one of those in the local dress hire company, but I think the old lovey behind the counter misheard me...


Poor Barbour, just when people pick him up on his uniquely ignorant ways, off he scuttles, now who does that remind us of?
288

Union is Best,

07/04/2008 22:31:43
301 years of Union dividends
289

brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:33:05
295 The Spook


Don't worry Spook he has already been reprimanded and given 50 lines (from Jackie's memo to memorise). How dare he reveal our policy of getting the public bemused and confused.
290

McX,

07/04/2008 22:37:52
...and another thing Kaurismaki,

"rarely seen,if at all out side of Finnish blue stocking brigade"

WTF? Leningrad Cowboys never appealed to the 'blue stocking brigade' whatever the fnuck they are...brilliant director, brilliant piddleartist and a dashed good bloke, and if it's a claim to fame, then fine, he's a great feller and I went on a 24 hour bender with him, which I occasionally suffer flashbacks from, suffice it to say there were girls, monkeys on motorbikes and bi-curious shaved dwarves involved.

Feller knows how to drink.
291

McX,

07/04/2008 22:43:44
It's be like 'Raiders of the Lost Greggs' in some of the minor folds of Jackie the Hutt's gargantuan body.

Eww I just did a little sick in my mouth...
292

brownlie,

07/04/2008 22:44:32
305 The Spook

Thanks a lot, pal, I was half-way through a cream scone and jam!!

Night, all
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 22:45:15
304
Did the monkeys on motorbikes become the shaved dwarves...?
294

McX,

07/04/2008 22:53:01
There you go Conan, just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzY6MtAAkQ

Right following huffy Barbour I'm orf. See you all anon.
295

Conan the Librarian™,

07/04/2008 22:55:29
310
Night.
296

Beth Boyle,

NY 07/04/2008 22:58:40
Is it me or are the red "P"s gettting more plentiful on The Scotsman? Not much left to read anymore, everything requires you to pay for a subscription. Just before the format changes there was allot to read. It's sad. The New York Times just made allot more free.
297

DER FUHRER,

07/04/2008 23:52:34
#309 Spook

lol...Hey that Fabiani thing was sun bathing on Coney Island beach and somebody shouted Free Will-y!

298

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California Scot,

08/04/2008 02:53:39
Look what Sir Sean wrote in the Los Angeles Times yesterday..
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-connery5apr05,0,7932603.story
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shivago8,

livingston 08/04/2008 08:53:50
Well done Mr Salmond,you are indeed a big fish swimming against the labour tiddlers
301

boudica,

Glasgow 08/04/2008 10:39:26
So someone thinks Wee Eck is a Big Fish ...Nah!!! If Wee Eck was any kind of a Fish it would be a Mackrel a fish that my mother would havent in the house as she deemed it a Scavanger that ate sh-te etc..well AS talks plenty doesnt he ..
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Gaelforce,

Hawaii via California via Dumbartonshire 09/04/2008 14:39:28
Alfred.E Newton

You worry about others not recognizing the Scottish currency, well my friend look no further than dear old England it did not recognise it either, they treated Scottish Banknotes as foreign currency even though we were supposed to be part of your "Great Union", just ask anyone who tried to change scottish money in England

Sir Sean Connery's article even made it into the Westhawaiitoday here in Hawaii,and if you look at the birth of America this little nation of ours called Scotland was at the birth of this nation, so all you doom and gloom agents when Scotland gains it's Independance there will be many hands stretched out across the world in welcome!

 

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