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Salmond dives in with underwater power link to Europe



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Published Date: 13 November 2008
ALEX Salmond has set out his vision for a massive underwater energy grid in the North Sea that would link Scotland with five European countries.
The First Minister said the idea of the grid has gone from being "blue-sky, or blue-sea, thinking" in a year to being on the verge of winning support from European Union leaders.

He believes that it can be in place in 20 years and could turn Scotland into "the green energy capital of Europe". He said: "This is our second windfall in the energy lottery."

Speaking at a publication of a preliminary report into the idea, Mr Salmond said the Scottish Government would now actively go out to hold discussions with other countries about a full feasibility report into the idea.

"This pre-scoping study defines the potential for a full study to examine the technical, economic, social and financial feasibility of the development of an offshore transmission supergrid," he said.

Mr Salmond said there had been expressions of interest from Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany and the Netherlands, and he is looking for partners to share the study's £400,000 cost and give the scheme international weight.

Mr Salmond also said that Andris Piebalgs, the EU energy commissioner, was very interested in the plan after several discussions with him.

"I have previously written to EU energy commissioner Piebalgs to ask that the case for a supergrid be included in the forthcoming strategic energy review," he said. "We are hopeful that our case will be considered positively in the review when it is published."

The First Minister also hopes that the grid will help push forward plans for renewable energy in Scotland and off its shores. He claimed that Scotland would exceed the target of 31 per cent of supply being provided through renewable energy by 2011 and 50 per cent by 2020.

The grid "is a major step forward in realising Scotland's renewable energy potential – which can make a big contribution to Europe and the world in moving to clean, green sources of energy", he said.

"Scotland has a clear, competitive advantage across the range of renewable technologies, with up to 25 per cent of Europe's offshore wind, wave and tidal energy potential."

He said that similar plans for a grid in the southern section of the North Sea off England could also come forward and may be ready before the Scottish one as the water is shallower. However, he said that, ultimately, the grid in the northern section of the North Sea had far more potential for renewable sources.

He also said that the technology for the grid was being developed in Scotland, at Strathclyde University, which has research programmes on allowing efficiency transfer in deep water.

"It will allow us to explore the opportunities associated with the development of an offshore transmission network, and help make the case for commercial investment.

"We will continue to work with our North Sea neighbours and the EC with a view to formalising a partnership to make the exciting concept of a supergrid a reality.


The full article contains 519 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 November 2008 12:22 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
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AJM,

13/11/2008 00:09:20
So let me get this straight we have got a windfall of energy and all it needs is £400k from the rest of europe. AS is so sure it will be a sure fire winner he is not prepared to stump up the money.

Umm sounds like he is back on track for headline grabbing, does not add up intiative just another lengthy soundbite.
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AJM,

13/11/2008 00:13:41
Also all it needs is the finger pointing and the photo could almost be Sarah Palin.

What is he looking at, an admiring pigeon. Do us a favour and get over the US election.
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AJM,

13/11/2008 00:15:01
A study when we have the saudi arabia of energy in the pentland firth and cannot find £400k.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 00:15:37
5 AJM,13/11/2008 00:13:41

He looks happy in the photo, maybe he just spotted a pie shop.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 00:17:05
"6 AJM,13/11/2008 00:15:01
A study when we have the saudi arabia of energy in the pentland firth and cannot find £400k."

Maybe if he asked all his Natz members to contribute a tenner each, instead of getting them to waste it in the bookies, he would get his £400K easy.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 00:27:12
#9 Au Contraire.

I just do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

All we get from Salmond is political posturing.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 13/11/2008 00:32:01
Rufus.

Why are you talking to yourself, again?
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PaulW,

Borders 13/11/2008 00:50:11
This is excellent news. Keep up the good work Alex and co. We have a real chance here to avoid repeating past failures, such as letting Denmark steal a march on us over onshore wind. Offshore and marine energy are really exciting propspects and, potentially, far more reliable than onshore wind. I do also hope we pursue more hydro schemes akin to Glendoe, so we can avoid the need for nuclear power altogether.

Rufus, AJM (or AM2 or whatever) -get a life, and try to engage your brains. Not hopeful of debate here tonight, so goodnight all.
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Edward,

13/11/2008 00:50:21
#3 AJM
I think youl find its called shared cost for the network of links.
The Wave power in the Pentland Firth will certainly be big and will supply Scotland with a fair chunk of power it needs
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 13/11/2008 01:25:29
More windmills will ruin Scotland's greatest tourism asset. The beautiful, unspoiled Highlands.
Eck's just twisting Broon's tail again.
Some days it's like a Whack-a-Mole game at the fair.
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Castaway™ ,

13/11/2008 01:30:05
Power supergrid plan to protect Europe.
A supergrid of power supplies to protect Europe’s energy from the threat of a Russian stranglehold will be announced today.
The building blocks of the proposed supergrid would be new cables linking North Sea wind farms, and a network patching together the disparate electricity grids of the Baltic region and the countries bordering the Mediterranean, according to a blueprint drawn up by the European Commission and seen by The Times.
“The proposed North Sea grid means that if you have less wind in the British sector, you can access wind blowing off the German coast.” An EU-wide network will mean that wind power becomes even more reliable.
Times November 13, 2008 ::: http://tinyurl.com/6m4qh8
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Dark Lochnagar,

13/11/2008 01:57:45
Once again we see joined up thinking from the SNP government. Imagine the last lot coming up with this. No doubt we'll now get Murphy telling the press how interested he is in working with the FM while trying to stab him in the back. This renewable energy bonanza MUST NOT BE squandered like the oil money so far has been. What a difference it would be going into a recession with a oil fund of 200 billion quid.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 02:44:49
Salmond has no idea how the project is supposed to work.

Still, he got a few more laughs again.

Doing well on that front.
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W Smith,

Middle East 13/11/2008 03:18:01
So Salmond the kiddy-on economist isn't that bothered with the huge job losses that are coming Scotland's way so long as Scotland is "green".

Well the unemployed Scots won't be driving to work and as factories close Scotland's carbon footprint goes down.

HAPPY NOW SALMOND?

BTW
The childless Salmonds don't have to worry about the economic meltdown but my guess is many young couples, with kids, in Scotland's private sector are.

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Scunnert,

13/11/2008 03:38:07
I see that the unionists are sticking to their negative agenda. Their utterances are as predictable as they are pathetic.

I do note a shrillness creeping into their missives though? Are they dumbfounded that nationalists are not hiding in despair after Glenrothes but continuing to advance their vision for Scotland's future? Or is realization beginning to dawn that they themselves can't avoid Brown's ravaging of the economy?

Sharing the cost of the study is a smart idea - by having other countries involved Westminster will be more wary of criticising (or sabotaging) this initiative.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

13/11/2008 03:38:19
Liechtenstein
Malta
Monaco
San Marino
Vatican City

Be honest Eck, after you are beached, aren't these the five areas that might fit the bill if we ever reach surplus after you switch the nuclear off?
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 13/11/2008 03:51:40
Alex Salmond is barking mad! does he really think the turbinisation of Scotland is a good thing, does he really think the people of Scotland want this.
And just who exactly is going to pay for this nonsense.
Local power for local people is what iis required instead of installing a system which will have huge transmission losses.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 04:23:06
Salmond would try to sell "a nation powered by horse manure", but the smart voters won't by it.

It's bye bye from Salmond....
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 04:39:37
#24

Are you a lighthouse keeper?
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Scozzy,

Tasmania 13/11/2008 04:55:28
There are clear lessons to be heeded from the Basslink electricity cable debacle here in Tasmania.

A 360km long undersea cable capable of transmitting 600MW of energy was recently constructed between the island of Tasmania and mainland Victoria. The project was completed in 2004 and cost 800 million Aus dollars, nearly double the original budget.

The project was promoted as a cost benefit for Tasmania which would be able to supply surplus energy generated from its hydro dams to Victoria in times of peak demand. However, it has now cost the Tasmanian taxpayer millions of dollars as climate change has caused rapidly diminishing dam supplies which have resulted in Tasmania having to pay extortionate prices for power generated in Victoria by coal fired power stations to avoid blackouts.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 05:01:26
#26

Aye, tell Salmond to pour that one over his All Bran.

He won't be needing the prunes.
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David MacVicar,

Web 13/11/2008 05:06:45
I wonder why the unionists posting here are so completely uninformed. You would think they might have at least some idea about the subject matter but all we see is uninformed and negative verbal diarrhoea attacking the individual not the policies or the detail - a woeful performance.

I am certainly not about to enlighten the ignorant but a little reading up on exisitng Energy transfer systems in the North Sea of all types and of whom is transferring different types of Energy to whom and for which reasons would not go amiss.

One thing is clear from the unionist posts, the knee jerk reaction to any initiative for Scotland is to deride, mock, personal insult, overly criticise, etc etc. Take a good look the cringe factor, post Glenrothes, is in full swing.
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Aristotle's Lantern,

Dubai 13/11/2008 05:25:05
#26 Scozzy

..though if the Basslink cable hadn't gone ahead, you wouldn't be getting energy from the mainland...so blackouts then in Tassie?
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Comment is Free,

U.S. 13/11/2008 05:27:27
It's sad to see a bright idea like this power-grid flamed as much as it is. If the Unionistas hate Salmond so much, why don't they move to England or some other part of the UK?

It seems that this is typical Unionist hype on here to the tune of "What're we gonna do with a confident Scotland? What're we gonna do with a confident Scotland, what are we gonna do with a confident Scotland early in an SNP Government Administration?" Okay, so stretch the tune of "What're we gonna do with a drunken sailor a bit", but really, the unionistas are the one who seem drunk here, rather than the SNP.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 05:39:15
"Roller Skate" Salmond is wishing he had some brakes and steering.

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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 05:41:50
#30

Salmond is the one looking to make major changes to the country that we were born and raised in.

So according to you if we don't like what he says we need to get out of the country....

I wonder where I heard that before.

Enough said about your politics.

Disgrace.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 05:48:41
Comment is Free,U.S. 13/11/2008 05:27:27
It's sad to see a bright idea like this power-grid flamed as much as it is. If the Unionistas hate Salmond so much, why don't they move to England or some other part of the UK?

Yes, the SNP nuts showing their true colours.

If you don't like what WE say, get out. No wonder there were so much in favour of the Bank of China deal.

Mao, Stalin,Hitler, Mugabe, etc, etc,...
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 13/11/2008 06:02:45
#26 Scozzy. Nothing wrong with the Basslink, we now have gas fired power stations, hydro electric, wind power and no doubt in the future tidal power. We also have energy hungry industries which will now be just about guaranteed to continue into the future. It is called future planning and although I do not agree with the present government and its attitudes to governance, that is my problem and certainly not theirs'
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 13/11/2008 06:04:30
They are now contemplating installing another link, now that is what I call enthusiastic.
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izzie,

dundee 13/11/2008 06:23:59
It's Scotland's wind
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Bruce the Lionheart,

Arbroath 13/11/2008 06:31:02
Brilliant. As all effective business people know -
Create the concept.
Get the stakeholders (EU Countries) involved.
Develop the project.
Implement.
This is the way to go for all Scots.
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Finnzz,

13/11/2008 06:37:06
Looks like the Labourites have been busy upping their presence on the boards. Tony McNulty (Employment Minister) was just saying last week that they had to combat their lack of support in these areas.

Pity they didn't check the intelligence of the posters first...
They have to learn that blatant lies (copyright L.Roy) only demonstrates their ignorance.
Half-truths (copyright AM2) show desperation. And Rufus confirms the asylum finally has broadband.

Yes, another excellent idea from the First Minister. The sharing of the study costs will, of course, show commitment to the project by other countries.

Hopefully this second energy windfall will be used for the benefit of Scotland.
The first windfall, of course, went to prop up successive scattercash governments in Westminster.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 06:49:09
#44

You are a small minority and therefore have to take your position as such.

Destroyed at Glenrothes.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 13/11/2008 06:50:04
An interesting idea that potentially has European wide impact. It goes somewhere to answering the question about many renewables, that what happens when the wind dont blow. In this case a European wide grid would allow power to be transferred to where it is required. Surprising that the UK government is not involved in this as surely the rest of the Uk could gain from this sort of Europe wide initiative.
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Angleland Isover,

13/11/2008 06:51:28
#33 A.S.N. A.Salmond has to make major changes to our country as it has been ran into the ground by unionists.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/11/2008 06:52:41
"What are its does?" to quote John Clerk Maxwell.

What will confident Scots do (in Scotland) and how? We need the means and bliddy land, bodies of expertise and financial acumen to advise the Government and make it doable. For starters a Board of Engineering to initiate and manage our entire vital infrastructure which includes a vast sea area. I like the useful word Board as I have them in my house and boat. Scottish, Enterprise, Northern, Rock imply lesser confidence as does Bank in "of Scotland".

However our fancy boys of the financial sector will be tellt to cease their champaine lifestyle and get reinvolved in a scottish productive economy. As the old Shetland fisherman remarked if loadsomooney are buffeting about to no good purpose it only cause more drinking and dinnering, not an prosperity. If regulation is the soul of electrical engineering, it's absolutely de rigeur for banking.

Remaining mathematical we will define what Scottish Independence is not. Anti-English. anti-British. It's only a case of junking the Union and all its futilities which bond.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:00:28
#47

One person one vote.

Joe-Kerr would have you believe that you can bully and threaten people into action.

I bet he kicks his dog...
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/11/2008 07:17:51
While in fine ranting science-faction mode ,this new-founded Board of (Scottish) Engineers will recognise that lots of useful technology has been militarised and classified, or secretised as they do it in England. Thus we lack of enengy, utlitiy, get pollution, deforestation, dessertificaion you name it.

The BoE will prototype these technologies into civilian life, a project as audacious as the C19 Northern Lighouse Board in action. And dangerous too, as inventor-engineers have been shot for this.

But as a double plus we could save the Planet and England too.

Where were the doers of ZP energy? Adam Trombly and John Farnsworth, New York 1989.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:26:33
Joe-Kerr- Man with no job.

And yet he talks about the economy as if it had something to do with him.

Yes, I suppose it pays for his existence via his giro.

You should be ashamed, and get out to work....if you have any skills, that is...
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:29:27
Joe-kerr,13/11/2008 07:24:26
#44- Destroyed at Glenrothes. Is tht what you call Party/state sponsored birbery. I would have been mistaken for thinking it's fraudulent usage of government resources to secure victory.

Watching they TV lunch time specials again....

I will let you off with "he's a wee bit slow so make allowances for him"

Is that what they said when you were at school?
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 13/11/2008 07:31:36
The only "diving in" most of us would wish the Great Leader to perform is to have Gauleiter Salmond dive into the Atlantic Ocean and swim rapidly away to the West.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:35:57
#58

Classy post....
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:37:54
Joe-kerr,13/11/2008 04:34:15
'8 - Rufus t whatever Im told too say - I have yet to hear a nationlist spout rascist abuse yet you're favourite comments thread cohort in none other than sam the BNP natzi supporting troll.

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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:40:19
Joe-kerr,13/11/2008 05:41:56
31 - this appears to be your standard saturday night.Not a leg to stand on and havering urine.
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Another Saturday Night,

13/11/2008 07:43:46
Class in every post from the old man without a job, Joe-Kerr
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 07:53:01
Did nobody in Salmond's office realise that the biggest issue in Britain's energy infrastructure for the next 20 or so years is to ensure that we can generate enough energy for us ... looks like the lights are already out for the natz party :) ... or are they simply looking to get a pipeline so we can import from, rather than export to, the (actual) countries in our region with the same or bigger natural resources in this area of generation.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/11/2008 07:55:38
Fair point, SM. A better idea would be to do useful works and manufactures with this energy. Consider that Switzerland is mainly higher than most's "Highland" domiciles yet they have a precission engineering industry without blighting the scenery, tourism,wildlife winter sports etc, + splendid electric railways. An independent (as poss) scottish government could mobilise resources to attractive new towns and locations, import top design-engineers, run college courses (building the dmn things) and apprenticeships. Be bold. Commandeer the land for this. Swiss also have shooting and shooting estates.
The wealth of nations is in economic density per area.

Left to Westminster little will be done north of Watford, Cambridge, Newcastle, Manchester wherever, unless military and testing of live bombs and spent-uranium.

Left to California, hot-shot tech migrates to Asia.

A Scottish National Bank for Reconstruction would be primarily for things and not beyond the wit of man or scotsman to do.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/11/2008 08:21:34
#67

Britain or the UK is such global player, it thinks and savior of the world's banks, that figures get aye inflated as to be meaningless.

I'd prefer Scots to run Scotland's utilities and English to do the same by whatever methods they fancied. Nationalise ever utility! Tell me why I wouldn't be better off as to running a factory in Gala.

It's getting that Brits will hardly own any of their infrastrucure.

-- The nature of the beast is that they are not manpower-intensive, once built.

That's what you want. And can be interlinked locally with modest backup if required. Of course the landowner gets a handy annual sum for every unit and cabling. Scots tend not to own land in Scotland, only in Australia unless the owner decides to sell back the land at great price to a local consortia (because he no longer desires the upkeep off.) It doesn't happen very often.
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 08:32:49
Perhaps we could set up a turbine in front of Salmond’s mouth, that's a renewable resource that just keeps on giving wind; of course it's a win- win situation as we could easily trap the methane that emanates from his well fed belly.

So in this one instance I could see him being of benefit to Scotland. Of course now I have poked fun at him I am clearly a unionist, my parentage will be questioned and my allegiance to Scotland is obviously non existent.
Brainwashing macht frei
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Dave,

Western Isles 13/11/2008 08:34:12
This will be the same super-grid that Westminster are looking at too that was reported in this very newspaper a couple weeks back?

Ah, but it's Westminster and therefore the Union investigating, so it's ok then, eh?
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 13/11/2008 08:43:29
#73
Well remembered Dave, you are right Alex is just jumping on a popularist bandwagon, this idea has been bandied about several times before, it is not a new idea and is far from an SNP idea, I really thought that the Krankies would have written new material for the panto season!
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MoClana,

13/11/2008 08:50:14
Do any of the ultra brittish Unionists actually read the article, they have become so caught up in their own smear and hysterical mud flinging that they have completely loss sight of what the article is all about.

They have nothing else to say apart for, ' fatso' , pie man' grandstanding, and of course the usual lecturing ofothers not to dare go above the heads of Westminster.

Thank god you lot are the minority in this country and a dying one at that.

Meanwhile independence gets ever nearer.

Soar Alba

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subrosa,

13/11/2008 08:52:07
The unionists are running scared. They have nothing of substance to contribute to the subject and revert to personal insults.

What's wrong with paying for a feasibility study about this? £400,000 shared would be sensible and commit other countries to the project.

After all, the unelected person now running Westminster is costing that and perhaps more. Handy Mandy knows how to spend money so we're told.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 08:54:03
#71 ... not sure where you're coming from ...

for the record ... i do not support nationalisation in any form, or the national party in any country ... like your comments it promotes a form of racist belief in terms of only local promotion of interest that becomes ingrained, inefficient and costly to maintain in small nation states.

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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 08:57:42
#76 why waste money on putting a paper together for a costly infrastructure that would not return enough profit to pay for itself ... or are you proposing to flush the remainder of the holy grail (oil) down this particular toilet.

# 75 did they not teach maths at your school ... or was it just bible bashing for you ?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 08:59:15
#76 not so personal on the insults, don't you find them to occasionally be amusing ...
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Alastair the First,

13/11/2008 09:04:50
Reading the above posts, it is clear that the unionists have abandoned all hope of winning an unwinnable debate, and are now simply resortong to smear and innuendo. Game Over for the Union, methinks.
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subrosa,

13/11/2008 09:06:02
# 78

Your comment doesn't make sense. Until a feasibility study is done nobody can tell how profitable or not the project will be.

# 79

No I don't find personal insults amusing. When people attack the person and not the problem it just shows they have an inadequate argument.
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Awake,

Scotland 13/11/2008 09:09:35
I see the ill-informed misdirected unionists are up early. I have to say, I know the Tavistock Institute run a pretty slick operation but doesn't Mr. Roy look slightly odd? Some of the swivel-eyed unionists on here sound as if their deconstruction is unravelling. Don’t worry boys you will get better.

The unionist trolls don't realise that the London Establishment manipulators have them policing themselves. The sectarian clap-trap played out in Scotland is the laughing stock of the 'UK' intelligence community. ‘English spooks laughing at the baton-swirlers’, one insider said. And to cap it all, ‘they participate with others to rig elections’, said an insider.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 09:10:40
#81 ... it does make sense ... if you understand the electricity generation industry ... it makes perfect sense ...

indeed, but most are not personal as such, only slightly having a dig ... if not, report them as unsuitable, or are you just being overly sensitive!?
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Marian,

13/11/2008 09:10:55
New Labour.s answer is that they want to build more nuclear fueled generation capacity in Scotland, when Scotland already has electricity generation over-capacity and bountiful reserves of sources of alternative energy.

New Labour also want to build more nuclear fuelled electricity generation capacity in Scotland, when Countries which are very similar to Scotland, i.e. Denmark, Eire, Finland, and Norway, who are facing the same energy demands, do not deem it necessary or desirable to invest in nuclear power.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 09:15:11
# 82 ... no baton twirling or funny handshakes here ... nice try though.
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Shaken,

13/11/2008 09:15:14
#77

Sharing the cost of feasibility is generally accepted as a good way of establishing intention and formulating partnerships between working parties as we hope to do here.

I like your comment about 'why waste the money..' lol it's a feasibility - do you know what the word means?

I like it - most of the unionists Rufus T particularly make me cringe with how ill thought out their rants are.

I mean it's renewable energy (generally quite guid) but because AS has suggested it all we hear is about pie shops, prunes and other nonsense.

Vive la SNP

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Alan B,

13/11/2008 09:15:48
Good vision from Salmond. Much better than the do not try you might fail type of scottish mentality that labour play on so much.

Pity the scottish parliament does not have economic decision making devolved and we have got to sleep walk into mass unemployment under brown the clown.
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Rasco,

13/11/2008 09:16:07
Broon will block this the same way he blocked the carbon capture csheme at Peterhead anything good for Scotland goes against his plans.
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Alan B,

13/11/2008 09:20:29
It interesting the self loathing of so many unionists towards scotland.

Looking into how to improve the poor performing scottish economy is a good idea. Having initiatives like this is a good idea. The scottish economy has failed under the tories, failed under Brown inept leadership, and Salmond with few economic powers is coming up with inovative ideas.

Are unionists only happy if the scottish economy is poor be comparision to others and we sleep walk into mass unemployment under that idiot Brown. Arguably the most inept chancellor the uk has had for donkeys.
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Edinburgh 13/11/2008 09:24:31
What a load of numpties. So the those SNP supporters who bemoan anyone who have a dig at Alex, in particular if the comment gets a little bit personal go nuts, may I please remind you that on these very forums a week ago, the most horrendous inflammatory and derogatory comments were being made about most people in Glenrothes. Have you forgotten the deep insults that were thrown towards Fife by the nationalists because the didn't win? I am not accusing all for such comments, but it is a bit rich seeing as most of the personal insults tend to come from the only "true" patriotic Scots on here who vote SNP. I believe Rudolf Hess was both a Nationalist and a patriot and lover of Spandau Ballet.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 09:26:05
#87 ... read my earlier comments, you might then be able to grasp the thread of my point ... hope it's not beyond you, just in case ... it is about the end product ... the UK has insufficient energy generation capacity going forward so it is unlikely to be in a position to sell excess if it has none.

why not simply invest in more generation capacity to ensure we are not the next south africa in terms of electricity black-outs ...
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 09:26:57
this is a system to transfer the end product, not a system to generate the product ...
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Reiver,

Galashiels 13/11/2008 09:28:22
#90 its the malcontents we loathe ... the rest of us love where we are ...
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MoClana,

13/11/2008 09:29:26
Feasablility study - £400k - bad nasty SNP grandstanding

Calman Commmision - Complete Unionist fudge of the democratic process which has no influence at all and is going to be ignored by Westminster, total figure ongoing but sure to be over 400k by next year....good thing !!

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13/11/2008 09:31:05
# 91

What's Rudolph Hess got to do with Scotland and an under water power link to Europe?
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Perth 13/11/2008 09:32:38
Considering the wasters on the Calman Commission have got through £500,000 so far and produced nothing except more hot carbon dioxide and felled trees, £400,000 doesn't seem a lot for a project which could possibly bring actual benefit to Scotland and the possibility of actual folding money if it succeeds and we net export energy. It is a feasibility study after all so there are never any guarantees of success, but at least it seems a step in the right direction and worthy of investigation.

There are a number of posters on here who think it "smart" to criticise others' offerings on a personal basis, trying to reduce the debate to a slanging match of Unionists vs Nats. This dragging down of the standards of the discussion is completely reprehensible and a bit reminiscent of playground behaviour and the intellectual level of Brand and Woss.

Brown's main contribution to Scotland recently has been to repeat the lies about this being a global downturn and that he is helping hard working families "fairly". In this he presumably considers stripping out Scottish banks as "fair" with attendant loss of 10's of thousands of jobs. Meanwhile Alex Salmond proposes something constructive which might actually help this country and Brown's supporters are howling. Shows him and them up for what they are.
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UK Grid System Transfers
N.Ireland to Great Britain: 79MW
France to Great Britain : -821MW
North-South: 9261MW
Scot - Eng: 1525MW
13/11/2008 09:40:00 GMT
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daveserviceman,

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as he does not want the english to be part of this deal he wont be able to run the cable close to the coast which is the most economical way he will have to divert it 200 miles out from the coast to avoid the english part of uk international waters thereby adding to the cost
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Yok Finney,

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Good grief. What about the Common Riding and local revalries?

The benefits of nationalism is the creating of a nation-state beyond mere tribal or employment loyalties. One wants some repulican virtues in that the wealthy and privileged will risk their resources even lives to the state under military or today's economic warfare. Democracy depends on a well educated population. So the states remit is defence, infrastructure pysical and metaphysical which is education. So this argument is being put to non-nationlists and anti-nationlists for consideration. Scotland is not particularly small but is chronically de-industrialised. This doesn't mean a return to high pollution technology.

It not well known that who controls a nation's currency is above Law and Parliament. But it's so. Moving towards a European currency will mean a European Central Bank and a tendency to a EUSSSR which is not popularly welcomed. But it's happening.

Governments could issue credit out of nothing just as banks do and spend it into vital infastructure without interest of inflation if carefully managed. Financiers don't want you to know this. They also own the media.

I don't see the benefit of UK nationism unless you want a badly run country.
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John H,

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A bit rich coming from the SNP considering it was their decision to block the building of the largest wind farm in Europe on the Isle of Lewis. Reason for refusal, local objections by SNP activists.
Pathetic bunch.
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13/11/2008 09:49:45
Could be interesting - I look forward to seeing the report.

I hope that it will weigh up the advantages of this grid over creating local combined heat and power grids though.
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Not a socialist,

13/11/2008 09:55:36
TGMG
Actually not all Unionists are against Scottish initiative. This is the beauty of devolution, particularly if Holyrood can gain more economic powers.
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Well no. Party politicing is even fiercer than on the Mainland.
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13/11/2008 09:58:23
#105 Yes a bit patronising, however if you spout "facts" when they are mistruths then you get what you deserve on here.

I take it you are defending the poster as they are pro SNP therefore lay off, as you would rather hear erronious information that fits the facts of scotttish life you would have it rather than the facts.
SM is right there is no enthusiasm for any new nuclear power stations anywhere in the UK.
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Marian,

13/11/2008 10:00:19
Wikipedia reports that:-

"A link was reported between Brown's brother Andrew and one of the main nuclear lobbyists, EDF Energy,[60] given the finding that the government did not carry a proper public consultation on the use of nuclear power in its 2006 Energy Review.[61] Attention has also been drawn to the fact[62] that the father-in-law of Brown's closest adviser Ed Balls, Tony Cooper (father of the Labour minister Yvette Cooper) has close links with the nuclear industry. Cooper was described as an "articulate, persuasive and well-informed advocate of nuclear power over the last ten years" by the Nuclear Industry Association on his appointment as Chairman of the British Nuclear Industry Forum in June 2002. He is also a member of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority and was appointed to the Energy Advisory Panel by the previous Conservative administration.["

Is this the real reason why New Labour want to build more nuclear power facilities in Scotland?
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Alan B,

13/11/2008 10:02:34
Scotland exports electricity to england - good
Scotland exports electricity to ireland - good
Scotland exports to mainland europe - bad
France exports to england - good

That seems to be the unionist logic

In fact i do not think the unionist posters have much logic on these threads. It is more just oppose anything that could be good for scotland if it comes from the snp. Bit like Brown in london. If he can scupper the snp introducing something good for scotland he can then scupper the snp. Logic that may be good for labour but dreadful for scotland.
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Energy grids distributing renewable energy are fine ... but Alex Salmond and the SNP should answer the following:
(1) How far can electricity be transmitted without significant loss?
(2) What kind of power stations will they build to provide back-up? ...oil? ...gas? ...nuclear? One estimate I saw in The Times suggested that 90 per cent was required.

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13/11/2008 10:04:32
Another anti-Salmond headline from the Scotsman, and all our leader is trying to do, is attempting to secure future prosperity for the Scottish public!

Makes you wonder about the real agenda of the 'Scotsman'.



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13/11/2008 10:05:00
114 Joe-Kerr
Well there are many varients among the Unionists just as there are among Nationalists
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Yok Finney,

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~ £10M + a squad of marines to guard it, would prove that electriciy can be harnessed from zero point vacuum fluctuation. We know it works and makes sense.

Plenty of Scots have that sort of small change. If only they'd heard about modern physics rather than merely being good at making money.
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Well Done Alex...(Pat On Back)...
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I think that the 2 party issue has more to do with the unfortunate 1st past the post system than belief in Unionism. To believe that all the parties have one view point (Tories, New Labour, Lib Dems, BNP) shows a lack of understanding regarding political ideology.
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Don Alex Quiksole Slamond is at the windmills in the Sea again and how they can save Scotland. What happens is the Windmills are built abroad, the Power Grid is built abroad, the finance for everything is built abroad, the windmilss are planted by foreign labour the Scotties may get 1-1.5% of the raw wholesale price of the electricity.Hardly a recipe for the economic reconstruction of Scotland. Ecky stick to line that we are going to win the Glenrothes byelection you have more chance of making a correct prediction.
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#119

"Another anti-Salmond headline from the Scotsman, and all our leader is trying to do, is attempting to secure future prosperity for the Scottish public!"

How exactly is "Salmond dives in with underwater power link to Europe" an anti-Salmond headline?

Is the headline in any way criticising him?
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AJM,

13/11/2008 10:34:23
#116 Good question I think it may to do with base load. If the wind stops and the tide is slack how do you pump all the water in the hydros back up into the lochs overnight ready for the next day. At the moment the hydros buy cheap electricity overnight for the pumps from the nuclear power stations.

IS a european grid an answer. So the nuclear electricity can flow into Scotland without SNP compromise.

I do not like nuclear but I am prepared to listen to the argument as to why we should have it, rather than say it has been our policy to be anti nuclear for 40yrs so we are not going to change. The worlds has changed in 40yrs, technology of controls have changed. When the SNP decided to go with the anti nuclear stance it was a very different world in the grip of the cold war and there were real fears of a nuclear war.

If you are in government sometimes you have to make unpopular strategic decisions.

And yes I know that storage of waste is a real problem but global warming is here and we should look at all the options of producing electricity from none fossil fuels sources.
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13/11/2008 10:38:36
#118
(1) for the type of grid they are proposing (High-Voltage DC) the loss is 3% per 1000 kilometers.
(2) the idea of the grid is that you can average out the fluctuations across a bigger area. Then you need less back-up overall.

#124 you still get occasional days when the wind doesn't blow across most of Europe. But maybe in a few years we can cope with this like they cope with snowstorms in new-England. You have a no-wind day and people just don't travel in their electric cars/trains whatever. Maybe losing a couple of days work per year will be cheaper than building the back-ups needed to run all the time.
Doesn't bother me anyhow, I'll be dead by then :P
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For a comprehensive list of New Labour politicians connected to the nuclear fuelled electricity generation industry see the BBC news item by Brian Wheeler of 23 May 2007 at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5149676.stm
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I'd be interested in seeing where you got your 'facts' from.

Considering your comment, it must really trouble you that most of our present utility services are owned by foreigners and of course, new nuclear stations would be owned by the French.
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Alan B,

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That is rubbish

Ofgem is the body of the government set up to regulate transmission charges and it does so within government guidelines.

How you regulate anything is political and depends on the objectives you want to achieve.
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Brian Hill,

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If the arguments contained within the first 10 posts are the best the unionists can offer I would suggest they retire or switch to the Daily Sport whose readers might be more impressed by the 'power' of their rhetoric.

Joe-kerr I wouldn't waste your time even recognising their existence never mind arguing against their puerile bile.

Ignore them, let them blow off steam to each other, no one with half a brain takes anything they say seriously....note I haven't even mentioned their monikers (they are too embarrassed to write under their own names)......starve them of the publicity they seek.
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142 AM2#

I do hope this despicable ulster unionist who has left his homeland to expouse his unionist bile in Scotland will bt start painting the end of gable walls with union flags.

He is of course AM2 and is one of the 6 (lol) subscrivers to his embarassing website and his poncification (car seller).

sm753 (AM) has a hero in a white suit too (his pic on his blog), some navy nobody who never learn to splice a rope in his life but was probably a marvellous chap for the empire what what.
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Nevsky,

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SM753 the world authority on Vice Admiral Sir Henry Thwaffington Tweedlebottom, a man who epitomises the British naval spiwit and once sat behind a desk with a nice pen!

Bet your friends (or lack thereof) are rivetted! You have all the hallmarks of a dweeb, i bet you collect buttons fron naval uniforms or some such rubbish, done a wiki page yet?
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if only the SNP had not given £400,000.00 of scottish taxpayers money to the Islamic Studies Centre in Glasgow then Salmond would not have to go rooting about with a begging bowl looking for the money to fund this.

On the other hand he would not be able to rely on the votes of the Islamic Glaswegians as a result would he ?
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AJM,

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#140 Joe-kerr that is the point there is a lot of killer stuff out there, CO2 will be a killer with knock effects on the climate for probably killing millions and how long will that last? 1000's of yrs?

#146 It looks very much like AS is borrowing the Sarah Palin walk to the cameras look high left and point and smile or laugh in some fake recognition. It was a cringe making moment once you had seen a few times with her and now AS has picked it up and trying it out, still 10 on the cringe factor. What is sad is he could not see how cringing it is.
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They are a sad bunch, so embarassed that most hide their faces and 3 (i think) of his subscribers have their own unionist sites, very sad but he seems to amuse hisself with his witty, nudge nudge wink wink familiar style).

Really apalling site but do check out the intro page where his pomposity reaches embarassing levels, something to the effect that:

'whilst an erstwhile contributor to the Scotsman and enjoyed the cut and thrust of debat, i have now taken time out to consider in more depth my political philosophy (SNP are satanists)'

Absolute pratt! What have second-hand car dealers come to?
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This is Salmond's 'Baghdad battery'? :-)
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161 Joe-kerr

Thanks for forcing me to look at AM2's web-site.

I note that he has copious, and carefully picked, comments regarding Glenrothes but no copious comments regarding Glasgow East.

I wonder why?

I note that he has room for George Foulke's blog which, sadly, makes no mention of his fondness for the grape and the barley and his other propensity for harmless old ladies.

What a fine example of a typical unionist view-point.

I'll need to go and wash my hands now.
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Had a chuckle over your jolly quip,thank goodness in these dark and dreary days we have got your rapier wit to entertain us.
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Nevsky,

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Exactly how i felt on seeing them, slighty sullied. The union to AM2 is a religion and not politics, quite disturbing but very ulster!
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You've either got a short or very selective memory.
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13/11/2008 12:54:33
Does anybody here really want labour back in scottish government looking back at the last year in the uk government and all they have wrecked and in holyrood with all the snp have managed with they're limited powers, other parties have pushed through polices with the snp for the last year because they believe in them, if the snp can't manage to push more policy through next year it will be because of there lack of powers and not they're desire to keep scotland moving forward and upward . 60 years of constant labour voting, came to an end last year, and that was before all this credit crunch and banking misery, surely no-one believes that we will revert back to type and vote labour again next time, as for our banknotes being taken away, do the unionists of which i was one until last year, really want to be using only bank of england notes forever as im assuming the bank of england would'nt be changing there's to say the bank of britain, as that would be a sign that they wanted us all to feel equal in this union. Can any self respecting Scot union or independent seriously live with every englishman from the richest to the poorest to the lowest in society, being able to tell us that its our money you little scottish plebs, so use it and shut up, you belong to us, and our notes tell the rest of the world that its a fact. We must keep moving forward for the sake of our children if not for ourselves.
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I'm really surprised you do not recall this fascinating contribution. You'll find it under News and Blogs under the name George Foulkes. It's obviously meant to be comical as the first article is a tribute to Gordon Brown.
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Arfur,

13/11/2008 13:20:28
Fantastic idea.

Que some Labour lacky to say it is illegal.

AM2/Rufus/etc - get a life man. Good news story, forward thinking, good for the country and good for the world and yet still you dribble your childish, sad cak.
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"181 Joe-kerr,13/11/2008 13:13:34
http://blogs.orange.co.uk/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/28/salmond_27sep07_pa_300_2.jpg

Another islamic jibe at Alex Salmonds wife."

Eh? How is that picture an Islamic Jibe??

In fact I am not even sure what that is in the picture.

Looks like the unveiling of a statue to me.

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Lovepan,

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Salmond's trying to take credit for something he hasn't been involved in; see this story in The Times for a rounder picture:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article5142622.ece

"A supergrid of power supplies to protect Europe’s energy from the threat of a Russian stranglehold will be announced today.

The building blocks of the proposed supergrid would be new cables linking North Sea wind farms, and a network patching together the disparate electricity grids of the Baltic region and the countries bordering the Mediterranean, according to a blueprint drawn up by the European Commission and seen by The Times."

The plan was already made and it was to deter Russian energy hegemony.

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13/11/2008 13:39:27
Hey Joe, remember this post?

"1 Joe-kerr,06/11/2008 10:25:46
Has Lyndsay roy handed in his resignation , as he is so confident?

The result will be SNP 1
Labour nil :-)"

Do people call you Mystic Meg?
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#183 - read the comment on his blog. I am sure youre a regular visitor.

Joe, where is it? I cant find it.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 13:46:42
SM753

He is not another Natz Supporter with a multiple personality disorder is he?

Its not spanners again is it?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 13:52:47
Hey Joe, Good News/Bad News for you.

Good news, they have found a cure for Aids in Germany.

Bad news, you can never be a blood donor ever again.
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Again, this isn't Salmond's idea. It was put forward by the European Commission and Salmond is trying to claim credit.

It's a good idea, but unfortunately for Salmond, it isn't his.

"Britain supports the first step of the supergrid scheme to connect all the wind farms in the North Sea, which will channel electricity into a central hub from the waters of several countries including the Netherlands, Germany, Norway and the UK.

The Government supports the plans. 'We have been calling for the EU to do more on energy security. The idea of a supergrid could support the Government’s aim of developing offshore wind power and other renewables and implementing more interconnection between European electricity markets,' a spokeswoman said."

(The Times Online)
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Mr Kerr has been around this site long before you came along under your present moniker.

196 Red-face

What is a "Natz" and why the "z"?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 13:55:55
Joe said

"Who the hell is spanners? I must not have been here when he/she was about, wishing i was now, it's sounds like they well upset you!"

So by me saying "Its not spanners again is it?", you deduce from that that he upset me?

HA HA HA yes of course he did. I am scarred for life!

Tip: Never become a fortune teller or a private detective.

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"196 Red-face

What is a "Natz" and why the "z"?"

You mean you cant work it out?

You are even thicker than I thought.

Here, go educate yourself.

http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/department/docs/punctuation/node28.html
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So you think that:

"Scotleag: Miaow! I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Salmond's wife, btw. Is this her? ;-)"

Is an Islamic jibe?

Come off it.

He is attending the unveiling of the latest Dalek at Pinewood studios.

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#199 Rufus T airhead - Is that funny? Not only muslims who are singled out in New Labours "BRITAIN" Now it's people with aids to poke fun at."

Eh? Are you on drugs?

I said it was GOOD news that a cure for AIDS had been found.

Don't you?

As you obviously cant quite comprehend, it was you I was poking fun at.
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Don't think for one minute that I am in the least concerned about whether you regard me as "thick" in comparison with your good self. I would leave that for those I respect to make a judgement on.

You still have not answered my question as to why the "z" is necessary as opposed to the more natural "s".

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brownlie,

13/11/2008 14:14:47
219 Joe-kerr

Lord Foulkes will have a head-start!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 14:25:04
215 brownlie, I cant believe it but zome joker zwapped the 'S' and 'Z' keys on my keyboard.

The 'S' obviouzly annoyZ you so 'NatZ' it is.

NatZ
NatZ
NatZ
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 14:32:51
Hey Joe, remember this post?

"1 Joe-kerr,06/11/2008 10:25:46
Has Lyndsay roy handed in his resignation , as he is so confident?

The result will be SNP 1
Labour nil :-)"

Do people call you Mystic Meg?

Lyndsay Roy was in Holyrood today actually (as well as Westminster yesterday).
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 14:44:40
Joe, what you saying?

The Glenrothes Election was rigged?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 14:45:43
Hey Mystic Joe, can you give me Saturdays lottery numbers???
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 15:05:15
"232 I sense the numbers .......- 15 - 24 - 26 - 27 - 33 - 34 - 23"

:-)
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 15:09:39
"233 Joe-kerr,13/11/2008 14:48:58
#231 - 7000 postal votes (unusualy high )"

Thats it then. Confirmation that the election was rigged.

Joe I think you should bring this to the attention of the appropriate authorities.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

13/11/2008 15:26:23
Hey Joe, I see the EU have lifted their ban on Mis-shapen vegetables.

You should apply for that passport before they change their minds!
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Son of one of Stirlings finest,

Weston S Mare 13/11/2008 15:47:31
Rufus T Firefly 239#

Yet another sidesplitting quip, I can hardly leave the computer, thanks for all the pleasure you give your readers.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 13/11/2008 15:51:47
What does this man Salmond not know about? He has a view on everything. Amazing. I nominate him as the next Doctor Who. After all, soon he will be Alex who?
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 16:39:49
243 Son of .....

Please don't mock the afflicted.
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Seán O'Drisceoil,

Gaillimh, Éire 13/11/2008 16:54:53
Excellent idea and good long term thinking. Note that the Republic of Ireland is a major potential customer too as its generating capacity will not be able to keep pace with demand in the future. The current strategy there is to grow the grid and import much of its electricty. In fact the current N.Ireland to Great Britain export mentioned above is likely to switch entirely to supplying the Republic in the next few years.
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fred bear,

13/11/2008 17:17:37
#144

The reasons existing sites are mentioned as sites for new build is because a) the land is owned by the utility, b) adequate grid connections already exist, c) there is an established body of skilled labour locally to run them and d) the local populace are broadly supportive, or at least not rabidly anti. Sizewll, Hinkley, Dungeness and Bradwell have been mentioned since they are in the south of england where capacity is needed. This being the case, why would private comapnies bang thier head against stated policy in Scotland and try to build in Scotland? England will be glad of the jobs.
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 17:19:16
239 Rufus T

So bendy cucumbers are back - Mandelson probaby took the issue in hand.
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 17:21:57
250 sm753

I see you're giving your new 'special friend' a helping hand. Personally, I think you're barking ..... up the wrong tree.
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Breezy,

Argyll 13/11/2008 17:24:22
#248
From Mervue to Mull. :)
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Miss H,

13/11/2008 17:24:44
I found AM2’s blog seriously worrying.

I used to think he just came on the Scotsman to wind people up.

Now I think he is a totally crazy obsessive who spends all his time haunting the internet cutting a pasting comments made by people (many of whom are clearly drunk at the time of posting) so that he can reproduce them as proof that THIS IS WHAT THE SNP IS REALLY LIKE. THEY ARE FASCISTS I TELL YOU. BUT I WILL STAND AGAINST THEM FOR I AM WINSTON CHURCHILL REBORN. FETCH ME A CIGAR AND A BOWLER HAT FOR I MUST BE ABOUT MY BUSINESS.

Someone get him into dungeons and dragons quick. Would be so much healthier.
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Miss H,

13/11/2008 17:26:40
126 Amongst all the gibberish yours takes the prize.

Windmills under the sea.

How does that work again?
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 17:38:25
256 sm753

Would you pay for tripe??
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Miss H,

13/11/2008 18:18:39
258 You are quite right he did say windmills in the sea.

It is the windmills in his mind I am more worried about.
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Miss H,

13/11/2008 18:21:19
256 Hope it does make him money, he'll need it for a good therapist.

Same with you and your obsession with spelling and so on.

Don't you realise people just bang out a couple of thoughts in the 5 minutes they have between doing other things? Who can be ar~ed with spellchecking?

It's not a parliamentary debate, people are just messing about here.
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 18:22:27
258 sm753

Considering that the article talks about "an underwater energy grid" does that not suggest that the writer of 126 was actually talking gibberish with reference to windmills?
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brownlie,

13/11/2008 18:26:58
262 sm753

It will get more powerful, mature in stature and informative if I join in, he says, modestly!
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Arfur,

13/11/2008 18:32:30
#201 Lovepan - actually Salmond went to Norway to discuss this about 6 months ago - it has obviously got more complex since then and added more countries but the original idea was his (well someone from the SNP).
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puskas,

East kilbride 13/11/2008 21:08:25
Let the unionist cabal speak to themselves. They insult the standard of education we have in our country, Scotland..
Many from all parts of our planet look into these sites and they must think thank god we have left the country they love...
A country decimated by unionist parties for generations.
Why most had to leave to better their children, give them hope and prospects that Scotland could never give them . It must sadden our ex-pats when they read message boards such as this one. I know this as factual as many e.mails that I have received point to that opinion.. Unionist no-brainers.

Unionists do it intentionally as that other idiot Foulkes would say...
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Alan Reid,

Ringkobing 13/11/2008 21:39:12
Well done Mr Salmond he always seems to be doing his best for Scotland, unlike the Unionists scumbags always talking Scotland down.
SNP the only party that trys to get the best deal for Scotland!
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Seán O'Drisceoil,

Gaillimh 13/11/2008 22:18:21
253 Power from Mull to Galway would be great ! :)
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