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SNP wants Tories in power in Westminster, Gray tells conference



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Published Date: 22 September 2008
SCOTTISH Labour leader Iain Gray today told the party's UK conference in Manchester that the SNP is out to get David Cameron into Downing Street.
He claimed Alex Salmond and his colleagues had an explicit strategy to help the Tories to win control at Westminster because they believed they could gain from that.

He told delegates: "The Nationalists want the Tories to win the next general elec
tion. They are working actively to try and make that happen." He also said the struggle Labour faced in Scotland was the same it faced in the rest of the UK.

He said: "When I was a teacher in the early eighties, I saw the Tories drain the hope, the spirit from a generation of young people – sure they would never have a job, that society had no place for them, that there was no point in even trying. We must never let that happen again."

Mr Gray said

being in opposition hurt, not because of loss of status, but because they could no longer do what they wanted to do for the people they represented.

He told the conference: "Some have suggested that we sleepwalked into the 2007 loss. If we did, we are wide awake now."

As speculation about Gordon Brown's long-term future continues, Mr Gray said the party had to unite behind the Prime Minister and take the fight to the Tories and the SNP.

He said the events of the past week had demonstrated why Mr Brown was the best person to lead not just the Labour Party but also the country – without his intervention, HBOS could have collapsed completely.

Mr Gray also told delegates Labour was now the only force for fairness in Scotland.

Mr Gray's address to the conference in Manchester came as a new survey of marginal seats showed Labour losing 11 Westminster seats in Scotland at the next general election.

The PoliticsHome survey included Edinburgh North & Leith, which it said would go to the SNP, and Edinburgh South, which it gave to the Tories.

However, if the 14.5 per cent swing to the SNP suggested by the finding was extended beyond the marginal seats, it would mean the SNP also winning Edinburgh East, Midlothian, East Lothian and Linlithgow & Falkirk East, while Chancellor Alistair Darling would only just manage to hold on his seat in Edinburgh South-West.





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  • Last Updated: 22 September 2008 11:29 AM
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1

Talorthane,

22/09/2008 11:53:29
Sounds like:

"You're either with us or you're against us"


Desperate stuff from the Gray man.
2

Merouane,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 12:08:01
The Tories are going to win the next UK election regardless of what anyone in Scotland wants. More importantly, the SNP want the Tory Government in Westminster to have no power over Scotland. It seems that it's Iain Gray who wants us to be governed by the Tories.
3

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 12:09:24
"The Nationalists want the Tories to win the next general election. They are working actively to try and make that happen."

Wrong Mr Gray, the only people (other than the Tories themselves) who are actively helping to make the Tories the next Westminster Government are the Labour Party, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling.

4

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 22/09/2008 12:12:20
But they're already in power Mr Gray...
5

me150,

22/09/2008 12:22:19
Easy to see it seems to be almost only nationalists that post here. The feelings are totally different outwith forums like this.

I heard a quote the other day on Radio Scotland..."It is such a shame that the poor people of this country are going to vote in the Conservative Party because of the false belief that it will give the country a successful independence." How correct.

Blinkered and tunnel vision best describes waht appears to be the majority of posters in these forums.

Tories will ruin this country. SNP would do something similar. I rememeber, idiot and SNP when he feels like it, Alex Salmond stating some of the most important reasons why he believed Scotland could prosper in Independence. Amongst his reasons included the Scottish banking system and the direct ferry link to Europe....food for thought.
6

Epicuras,

22/09/2008 12:28:19
in 1997 'Labour' was returned to power after 18 years of misrule; all that they have done since is line their own and their 'friends' pockets and take away the one thing we still had under tory rule - hope.
who cares who's elected in engerland as long as it isn't labour, same as in scotland though after a year of the snp, I'd almost vote tory up here; living in edinburgh I'll never vote fib dem again - thankfully we still have the green party, about the only decent party left!
7

Cynicaltalk,

22/09/2008 12:43:02
This is always a Pro SNP forum on these pages, and anyone who dares to disagree is simply ganged up against and batterred down by the SNP faithful.

And the Green party are a joke.
8

Maisie from Morningside,

22/09/2008 12:45:49
Actually, Mr Gray - the Monster Raving Loony Party could be in power at Westminster for all we care.

Oh wait - it already is.
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subrosa,

22/09/2008 12:45:59
Just thought I'd check how many anti-SNP articles there are in this paper today. It never disappoints.

The quicker we get a non-biased newspaper which reports and investigates thoroughly the better. Really it's time the labour press releases stopped being published in the media.
10

subrosa,

22/09/2008 12:48:48
# 7

The Greens have some policies worth discussing. No party is perfect, it's just that some have policies better than others.
11

iainscott_8,

London 22/09/2008 12:50:18
It might be worth remebering that the SNP has people from all sides of the political spectrum within its membership.
The common uniting belief is that Scotland will benefit best from being an INDEPENDENT country.
Once the country is free of the union and able to make its - wealthier - way in the world, all political sides can have their arguments.
However this will be in the context of an free and Independent Scotland.
You can be a socialist or a free-marketeer, you can be whatever you want to be but with Independence you will be free to fight in a truly Scottish and more accountably democratic context.
This is why Independence will be best for us and why I argue for it on the newsgroups and look forward to the Referendum on Independence - always denied by a Labour or Conservative dominated Westminster.
Iain
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bluehead,

edinburgh 22/09/2008 12:57:02
anybody can be in power as long as it isn't labour
people have had enough of them to last a very long time.
13

Scotish Exile,

22/09/2008 13:03:35
"The Nationalists want the Tories to win the next general election"......don't most sane people??

We have had enough of Liebour!
14

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 22/09/2008 13:08:09
It wont make the slightest bit of difference which one of them wins the UK election. They are both abhorant and completely out of touch with Scotland and this will show by the massive increace in seats won by the SNP in fact the SNP will win a mandate to begin negociations for Independence.
They only have to win a total of 30 Scottish Westminster seats for the mandate.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 22/09/2008 13:14:43
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That isnt possible if the message your putting across is obviously honest, consistant, sensible, believable, supported with evidence or provable.

Instead what we get are trolls, liars, party political spin, unsupported statements, unprovable opinions, bizarre statements and sheer idiocy all pushing the unionist case.
16

Ganjass,

22/09/2008 13:20:37
Typical negative spin from the red devils! You may not be an advocate of independence, but the SNP are an essential voice for Scotland, to make up for the years of neglect from westminster.

Too many in Scotland are afraid to stand up and push for a more dynamic Scotland, never mind an independent one for fear of upsetting their "Masters" or being labled a nationalist.

Wake up people and do the do!!
17

Tynietiger,

22/09/2008 13:56:58
# 17 Dave is wrong SNP want power for Scotland as an independent nation.

After consensus at Holyrod last Thursday, there is some really negative stuff from Labour on HBOS affair. Obviously trying to deflect attention form Brown and Darling's failures which ultimately led to demise of Bank of Scotland.
18

son of haggart,

22/09/2008 14:02:07
All the evidence is that the SNP are prospering as never before under a British Labour administration - why would they want to rock the boat?
19

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 14:02:37
#16- "Too many in Scotland are afraid to stand up and push for a more dynamic Scotland, never mind an independent one for fear of upsetting their "Masters" or being labled a nationalist"

The standard Gnat line - support us or you're a feartie. The majority of Scots who despite all of Salmond's bluster remain resistant to his calls for separatism are no less Scottish than the Bravehearts who wrap themselves in the Saltire. The only thing we are really afraid of is the kind of joyless, intolerant Scotland in which we would have to live if King Smug and his mob of zealot nutters got their way.

Expect re-education camps and ethnic cleansing of all those who dare to argue against the Gnat orthodoxy. Just like in these forums, anti-Gnat dissent will not be tolerated.

"Upsetting our masters"? The only ones in Scotland acting like masters of the universe at present are the arrogant, gloating Gnat bullies at Holyrood.
20

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 14:15:13
#19 - Because sooner or later all the promissory notes with which the Gnats have been buying their popularity among Scots voters will come due. They have been spending money Scotland just hasn't got - stunts like taking money out of Health Board budgets to subsidise free car parking at hospitals are just stupid. The Gnats' Scottish Futures Trust - supposed to replace PPP/PFI - is such a shambles that not a single brick has been laid on any new major public project since the Election.

The thought of the Gnats producing a master plan which would have saved HBOS from the global economy is laughable given their abject running of Scotland's budget. As Salmond and co are going to find out, when it comes to votes it's always the economy, stupid.
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22/09/2008 14:18:52
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 14:18:59
#5 Me150

"Easy to see it seems to be almost only nationalists that post here. The feelings are totally different outwith forums like this."

Well Me150, the Scottish electorate do not appear to agree with you, only this morning I heard on the news that Labour have already conceeded the loss of the forthcoming Glenrothes election.

Labour have brought about their own defeat and loss of Office at Westminster, never before have so many Scots been anti-Labour (or Red Tory).






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lulach mac gille coemgain,

22/09/2008 14:22:03
UK politics has had it’s day - we are in a new world of smaller localized independent politic which will start with smaller ‘Country (Scotland, England, Wales) states’ and work its way down to the individual - at last !
24

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 22/09/2008 15:59:15
#20 Ghengis

If Alex Salmond is King Smug, Iain Gray is the Village Idiot !
25

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 22/09/2008 16:05:55
#27 - Oh, you Gnats are soooo quick at the witty repartee.

Neither politician is actually stupid, as it happens. Which may or may not be the case with yourself, the jury is still out on that one.
26

Edward,

22/09/2008 16:09:29
Gray should proof read what he is told to say
The fact of the matter and has clearly been stated (on numorous occassions) is that the SNP Government will work with WHOEVER is elected to govern in Westminster
In addition it is hoped that Scotland will return a larger number of SNP MP's, which will give the SNP the whip hand and will ensure Scotland's voice is heard.
We have had 50 years of returning Labour (or Tory) MP's, who have done absolutley nothing for Scotland
It is indeed now time for change.
Voting Labour will be a complete waste, Vote SNP and have our collective voices heard
27

Edward,

22/09/2008 16:12:35
Any news yet on when the Glenrothes By-election is going to be??
All we get from the media, is that there will be one in about 6 weeks time, but officially it has not been called!
Labour are just a bunch of creeps. couldnt wait to have Crewe and then Glasgow East. Now dragging there heels over Glenrothes
28

First Minister,

Gibraltar 22/09/2008 16:33:49
As Edward is hinting at, the last time that Scotland actually influenced a pestminster election was 1983, since then we have sent The "Feeble" 50, to pestminster evry election since, and look at the state of our country, Roads, worst in Europe, Trains- Joke, Motorways-Where? (3), State Pension - Lowest In Europe, Fuel (Scotland produces 62% Of Europes Oil, In return we have the highest fuel prices with the worst infrastucture?) Union Dividend? Where?
29

Western Gael,

22/09/2008 17:01:00
Poor Mr. Gray. He's taken over Labour when they're in a bad patch. That's like taking your mate's seat at the poker table, only to bet the farm on a busted flush. If he truly believes that SNP has any desires of Tory success anywhere on the planet Earth, then he should cooperate fully with that kind gentleman behind him, who is tapping his shoulder and carrying a heavy shirt with really, really long arms.
30

Edward,

22/09/2008 17:20:43
#32 First Minister
Dont get me started on the so called motorway infrastructure in Scotland. When you pop over the border into Englandshire, its like a totally different country! - wait a minute - it IS!
Scotland has suffered for the past 50 years under labour of abject under funding. I would think that its deliberate in order for Scotland not to get above itself
Any country, regardless, has to have an effective transport infrastructure of Road, Rail, Air and Sea ports, to ensure swift and economic transport of goods and materials as well as people. Scotland is a major oil producer, so by rights should have the best of the best, unfortunately we are saddled with the Labour ethos of make do and mend, while England and especially the South East is well served with all forms of transport. The main reason why industry and people are attracted to England and the South East of England is down to infrastruture. Labour make great pains to attempt to artficially move people away from the South East. But as long as they (as well as tghe Tories) continue the mind set of underfunding Scotland, it will never change.
I remember very well, that in the 70's, with entry into the common Market about to happen. There were great plans of making Scotland, what Ireland soes today. That is act as a bridge between the US and Europe, with goods arriving by sea and air into the West of Scotland, be stored and processd and then distributed onto the rest of Europe. That was the plan, it never really got of the ground as Labour and Tory governments in Westminster didnt want to invest any money.
Its not too late to make the change and get rid of Labour and subsequently rid ourselves of Westminster once and for all
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

22/09/2008 22:16:05
Government - where idiots bump their gums - amoebae out think the residents and everyone else pays for the pleasure of the comedy spectacle.

Bring on the right to bear arms!
36

Royster,

23/09/2008 03:29:14
The Tories will probably handle the SNP better than Labour. They're not really rivals except on the Union. This can easily be sorted out with a single vote on independence. Salmond is always crying wolf about Westminster. At some point, people will grow tired of him... if it hasn't happened already.
37

Royster,

23/09/2008 03:30:55
Just out of interest, would SNP supporters agree with the concept of England being merged with Scotland, calling the joint country Scotland and having the capital in Edinburgh? Same number of seats in parliament though.
38

donald,

glasgow 23/09/2008 05:00:02
What an idiot. We currently have a Tory Government in power. Not one Socialist speech from this Tory conference.
39

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 23/09/2008 06:54:30
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So you finally admit that it isnt in Scotlands best interests to have less seats in the Westminster parliament than their "union partner"?
why is it important to have the same number of seats for 2 nations in a partnership do you think?

 

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