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Published Date: 26 October 2009
BRITAIN'S economic recovery will be "feeble and fragile" and whoever wins the next election will need a full Parliament to nurse it back to health, shadow business secretary Kenneth Clarke warned yesterday.
The former chancellor's comments came after Prime Minister Gordon Brown pledged to return the economy to growth by the end of the year, bringing to an end what is now the longest recession since records began.

After shock figures on Friday which showed the economy shrank by 0.4 per cent in the third quarter of 2009, Mr Brown used a podcast message to insist that the battle to stop the downturn becoming a second Great Depression was being won and to warn that the Conservatives' "suicidal" plans to cut spending would put recovery at risk.

But Tory leader David Cameron insisted that a change of government was needed to restore growth, blaming Labour's economic mistakes and lack of a plan for the future for the fact that Britain remains mired in recession six months after others like France, Germany and Japan had escaped it.

Mr Cameron said: "We need to change direction, with a new government that puts in place a pro-growth, pro-enterprise agenda. I know that a vision of growth may seem a long way off in the light of the latest figures showing that we are still in recession. But Britain does have the resources to get there.

"We have got the people, the ingenuity, the ideas. We just need a government that will help them, not stand in their way."

In his podcast, released on the 10 Downing Street website and YouTube, Mr Brown warned against the swift reductions in public spending promised by the Tories to get state debt under control.

"Although there are signs that confidence is beginning to return in some areas, we need to be cautious," said Mr Brown.

"Now, more than ever, is the time for steady and clear policies. It would be suicidal to put recovery at risk by suddenly cutting off the funding and investment that is supporting young people, families and businesses through the most challenging times in a generation."

He added: "My pledge to you is to make reform of the financial sector a reality and to see Britain's economy return to growth by the turn of the year."

But Mr Clarke said he believed that Britain's route to recovery would be "L-shaped" – suggesting a lengthy period of stagnation and minimal growth – rather than the swift V-shaped return to healthy growth that Mr Brown is hoping for, or the W-shaped "double dip" recession that some economists fear.

"I think sooner or later we are going to start getting a very feeble recovery but it is going to be feeble and fragile," the shadow business secretary said.

"The next Parliament is going to be dominated by trying to strengthen it and get it back to something like normality."


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Cynicus Unbound,

26/10/2009 00:17:24
"...the battle to stop the downturn becoming a second Great Depression [is] being won"-Macavity

Now THAT's what I call lowering expectations! How are the mighty fallen -from "no more boomand bust" to "bust, yes, but not a humungous one."

Bye-bye, Macavity. The nights are fair drawin in.
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hoblar,

26/10/2009 00:18:57
Dear oh dear.

It isn't the Tories that say 'recovery will be feeble' as the headline claims, it is the facts that say it.

The 35 economists got it wrong, but then all the headlines and interviews about green shoots were obviously balderdash.

You didn't need to be in Alistair darling's cabinet to know that, we all knew that from our couches.

The money wasted to get people calling themselves economists to make up a load of green shoots nonsense was a waste of our taxes, just like the economic recovery plan of Gordon Brown.
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Fletty,

26/10/2009 01:50:47
What a massive disappointment Brown has been.

Can't he just do the decent thing and go now....?

His face on TV is depressing the nation.

Give us an election before Christmas please..

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/10/2009 02:07:23

"Recovery will be feeble, say Tories"

Hadley one of revelation is it?, tell us all something that we do not know.

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26/10/2009 02:18:07
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26/10/2009 02:27:19
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 26/10/2009 06:10:17
nothing new broon the gibbering eejit was wrong again
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Andrew Allan,

26/10/2009 06:28:25
There is no economic recovery plan woth talking about.
http://tinyurl.com/yg8jhkj
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Oldhabits,

Bristol 26/10/2009 06:39:56
#4

Charles what is this 'Hadley'?..... Hadley Wood?...... Hadley Centre?.....Hadley Freeman?....Hadley Golf Club?

If it is hardly surprising that we are in this mess, then I will go along with you. It was of course your friend Gordon Brown who caused it. How he can expect to continue spending money at the current level considering that his 'windfall' tax revenues from the City have disappeared, I don't know, and I rather suspect, neither does he!!

We have yet to feel the full effects of the recession, be prepared to feel the chill!!
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Oldhabits,

Bristol 26/10/2009 07:05:37
#3

You're right, I am 'scunnered' looking at him!!
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McNasty,

Edinburgh 26/10/2009 07:12:11
No more boom and bust.

Just bust.

Boom boom.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 26/10/2009 08:17:12
Soon Iceland, Ireland and Norway will have surpluses or healthier deficits than the UK.
Every single one of these countries will have a balance of trade surplus while the UK will continue with $50 billion-plus (£30.6 billion) deficits.
So much for the attacks on these countries by the London parties. Of course they were affected by the recession and the banking crisis (which was largely caused by the lax financial regulations by the US and UK governments) but these small independent nations have shown the flexibility to turn things around. That is why small is beautiful.
And so can Scotland – if its government has the right tools so that we can be part of the Arc of Recovery, rather than part of the long term Bankrupt Britain.
The “scaremongering” of the Unionist parties was exposed by the latest statistics for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
While the UK will have a £34 billion deficit next year, equivalent to 2.4 per cent of GDP, Ireland will have a surplus of £1.3 billion, Finland £600 million, and Norway £51.5 billion.
Even “much-maligned” Iceland will have a deficit of 1.1 per cent of GDP, less than half the UK figure.
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Jings MacCrivvens,

26/10/2009 08:29:38
"My pledge to you is to make reform of the financial sector a reality and to see Britain's economy return to growth by the turn of the year."

Does ANYONE seriously believe THAT old chestnut?

Dear oh dear oh dear!

Brown = delusion personified.
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Ben Thehoose,

26/10/2009 08:36:46
Say what you like about them, but the Tories know about money.

When Labour came in our National Debt was almost vanished. Now look at it!
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jock in the box,

edinburgh 26/10/2009 09:47:25
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What you say is undoubtedly true Linda.



What is even more ridiculous is that the UK has had the not inconsiderable advantage of North Sea Oil Revenues over the last forty years which should have given her an advantage over all EU countries ,and has still managed to finish near the foot of the European Economic league season after season. If UK were an FC the manager would have been sacked every season !
I had previously claimed that Scotland would be unique in that she would be the only country in history to discover oil and gain nothing whatsoever from it.I forget too easily that the UNITED KINGDOM must also be this so we are not as unique as I claimed, just twice as stupid.
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26/10/2009 10:40:54
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BlantyreBill,

26/10/2009 10:45:48
I can't understand why so many people revel in the difficulties facing Britain. Can they not realise that it is their fellow citizens who are suffering? The economy is improving. Like the rest of the world, we will soon be out of recession.
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26/10/2009 10:49:51
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butamitt,

Glasgow 26/10/2009 11:27:59
18BB

Talk like "coming out of recession" is just technical jargon. We will be recovering very slowly and unlike some of the other countries who were hit by recssion we were already heavily in debt and had to spend billions on top of that to get through the recession - these other countries had reserves to draw on to spend but "no more boom and bust" Broon didn't bother to put something away for a rainy day - in fact he spent high both openly and secretly (through PFI/PPI which were always bad bargains) and when the recession came he had to borrow massively to get us out of it. (If he actually has, we'll see). That means whatever government comes in will have to CUT - spending, public resources (health, education etc) all beacuse Brown had this fantasy that he knew what he was doing. We're not out of the woods yet - in fact the worst is yet to come. Hope you don't work in the public sector BB you may yet chnage your mind about how well we'll be doing.
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 26/10/2009 11:38:31
If we were not in the run-up to a general election we would be feeling the cold 'corrective' blasts of Westminster's measures now.

It's a damnable fact that until the result is in, all the Westminster parties are posturing for power rather than dealing with the issues that really matter.

As to revelling in the difficulties? The only people revelling in them are the instigators and the politicians. The first by having made massive gains while the second have used it to mask their incompetence and a complete lack of backbone to bring the first lot to heel.

Empty vessels competing with each other to make the most noise.
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jock in the box,

edinburgh 26/10/2009 11:42:44
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I cannot understand why anyone aware of icebergs in the vicinity and aware of the danger that they pose,would seek refuge on the TITANIC!

The United Kingdom will NOT soon be out of recession as every forecast has indicated .We are in the sh you know what, and owing billions which the North Sea Oil will have to pay for.The UK recovery will happen eventually because everybody else already has and it will spread.No doubt Labour whilst claiming the reccession was global, the recovery was somehow NOT and the work of SUPERBRROON and MOVE OVER.
One day in the future we are going to sit our grandchild on our knee and he is going to ask Grandad did they not have schools when you were a boy? You will reply. Of course we did.
The child will then pause for a second and return with "So how come you let the billions in Scotlands North Sea sector go to waste"? Scotland never got a brass farthing where as Norway set herself for eternity!
The only answer I can think of is ask Blantyre Bill because I dont have an answer which makes sense.

Why Scotland being in a bankrupt UK under Labour is better than being in a bankrupt UK under the Tories and ripped off by both of them ,is better I will never understand.
At the moment Labour have NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER of being elected in England and a hung parliament is not even possible at the moment. The Tories are home and dry.
Your message is Vote Labour and back at best a three legged horse, if not a NON RUNNER!
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Ugly George,

26/10/2009 12:30:42
22 jock
"The child will then pause for a second and return with "So how come you let the billions in Scotlands North Sea sector go to waste"? Scotland never got a brass farthing where as Norway set herself for eternity!"

Please study the SNP govt's own figures and analysis. These detail that, year upon year up to 2007/08, the amount of public expenditure for Scotland was more than total revenue raised even if a "geographical share" of oil revenues are included. The deficit was still several £billions each year.

If you dont believe me go and study the Scottish govt's own GERS analysis over recent years. The fact is that the oil revenues (and more) are being spent on Scottish public expenditure.

Please study the relevant facts and details before you comment.
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Dear_Gordon,

26/10/2009 12:50:59
#23 Ugly George

I didn't realise that oil & gas taxation would be an independent Scottish Government's only source of income George?

Fantastic - no more income tax!
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Alan B,

26/10/2009 13:10:40
#Ugly George

I think you are missing the point somewhat.

Scotland over 30yrs ago discovered the black gold. Alot of it. A massive economic wealth.

And what has been the result to the scottish economy?

As you well know scotland has performed pretty poorly in both absolute and relevative terms over the past 30/40yrs.

What really have we got to show for all that oil?

Ireland was infinitely poorer in the 70s when scotland discovered north sea oil. But ireland without oil transformed itself into one of the richest countries in europe. (yes it has current economic difficulties as it made the same stupid mistakes as the uk with house price inflation and consumer debt but that is a different issue).

Norway has used its oil wealth for a massive oil fund and is also one of the richest countries in europe.

Luxembourg has transformed itself into the richest country in europe and has no oil wealth.

The fact is scotland has done badly. And it has done badly within the union.

The unionist argument that we were too small to exist outside the union put forward in the 70s and 80s have turned out to be false. And with mcrone turned out to be lies. As labours own brian wilson admitted on tv, labour themselves believed scotland would be far wealthier if it became independence in the 70s. (his bizzare argument was scots knew they would be wealthier and decided to share that wealth, a revision of history i think most would agree).

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Alan B,

26/10/2009 13:12:34
#Ugly George

If the scottish fiscal position is poor. Then that is due to massive economic failure of the scottish economy within the union.

Robust economic growth is the best way to a healthy fiscal position, not the cronic slow growth of scotland within the union.
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Alan B,

26/10/2009 13:15:15
#BlantyreBill

"I can't understand why so many people revel in the difficulties facing Britain."

No one is revelling in the economic difficulties.

But it would be stupid not the put the blame where the blame lies ie Brown and labour for their stupid economics.

Brown and labour spun their economic record for yrs, while many knew the whole thing was going to come crashing down due to the complete economic absurdity of their economic mgt.

We all should be very angry at labour for what they have done.

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Ben Thehoose,

26/10/2009 13:35:25
Any competent lawyer can tell you why N Sea oil no more belongs to Scotland than to any other British citizen.

SNP keeps very quiet about the law as opposed to the hype. I don't blame it, except that the deceit is yet another blackmark.
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Alan B,

26/10/2009 13:36:42
#BlantyreBill

"The economy is improving. Like the rest of the world"

You obviously do not understand the mess the uk economy is in.

Unlike much of the rest of the world we are in deep doo doo. Largely due to labour complete economic incompetence.

Yes we will come out of recession. But unlike so many others the underlying and fundamental problems will still exist.

Massive public sector debt, massive debt pushed off balance sheet via pfi, unfunded public sector pensions again held off balance sheet. All meaning even before the crisis we had real debt more that 100% of gdp. And now with the economic problems this debt will go from the dreadful to the really really dreadful. As public spending was based on artificial levels of growth as growth was based on debt which is not sustainable (as we have seen).

And add to the fiscal mess we have the wider economic problems of a decade spend artificially propping up growth based on massive house price inflation and more and more consumer debt.

If you look at more other europe countries few have made the same mistakes of gross economic mgt as the uk. (ireland has a good fiscal position but has made the same mistakes with a decade of massive house price inflation and consumer debt)
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Ranald Newal,

26/10/2009 13:40:09
Recovery is recovery and better than the alternative.
I’m with those who see time as being a good healer.
There is much to be said about steady over the rushed.
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Ranald Newal,

26/10/2009 15:47:32
Alan B@25,13:10:40
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It is all to do with positive thinking Alan.
What Ireland, Norway and Luxembourg have in common is positive thinking.
You will find those people and countries who’ve been successful are generally positive in their attitude.
Those people and countries that’ve not been successful are generally negative in their attitude.
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Ranald Newal,

26/10/2009 15:55:47
Alan B@26,13:12:34
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Scotland’s economic growth runs along parallel with its attitude.
Hopefully as the attitude of the Scottish people becomes more positive so will the rate of growth in the economy.
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Me Bungo Pony,

Dundee 26/10/2009 16:32:08
#23Ugly George
"The fact is that the oil revenues (and more) are being spent on Scottish public expenditure."

Utter rubbish. GERS allocates £bns to the Scottish "bill" that never get a whiff of heather never mind spent here. The Scottish "deficits" (including the aforementioned "non-spend"), when they occur, are also less than its fair share of the UK deficit. A double whammy :(

#29 Ben thehoose
"SNP keeps very quiet about the law as opposed to the hype. I don't blame it, except that the deceit is yet another blackmark."

If the deceit is not yours then the ignorance certainly is. On Independence, all natural resources that lie in Scottish territory are deemed Scottish property. Such is international law regarding this subject. Another black mark against Unionists.

#33 Ranald Newal
"Scotland’s economic growth runs along parallel with its attitude.
Hopefully as the attitude of the Scottish people becomes more positive so will the rate of growth in the economy. "

It's this sort of empty rhetorical rubbish that blights the Unionist case. It is meaningless and unprovable .... standard Unionist fare then :)
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/10/2009 17:15:11
Kenneth Clarke was probably being optimistic when he said the recovery would be feeble. What recovery? What we have to look forward to if that is the way to put it is years of high taxes and cuts in public spending to pay for the idiotic and massive expenditure incurred by Brown before the banking collapse and the QE after. Throw in high unemployment and the continuing mass immigration with millions more to support and you have a decline which will take years to resolve. Which employer is going to enjoy higher rates of tax and NI? Brown further deludes himself and attempts to deceive us by saying things is looking up for the New Year. Yes, NY 2015 maybe, but not under his governance because he will have been slung out long before then. If people can be scathing about Niuck Griffin just look at what we already have in government and it is increasingly obvious that these economic illiterates just slithered out from under a stone.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

26/10/2009 18:53:31
I see commenting has been disabled on the Murphy pimping for Orangemen story.

Has he been arrested...that would make it sub-judice I suppose.
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Sgian Achlais,

26/10/2009 20:50:54
Rufus is obsessed with Arc's as this is all he can see from his job in MacDonalds. The Arc of Austerity.
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Ranald Newal,

26/10/2009 23:02:06
Me Bungo Pony@34,16:32:08
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I’ll take what you’ve said under due consideration and afford it the respect it deserves.
I’m sorry you didn’t take what I said in the positive manner it was offered.
What I was saying isn’t above being provable.
This is a little exercise for you to try.
People can be very negative with the use of their language.
Focus on the language you use.
Try and use the least number of negative expressions you can.
As you reduce them your attitude alters for the better.
You will see this for yourself.
Now think of this on a national scale.

 

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