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MacAskill sparks row over rail stop-and-search policy



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Published Date: 20 December 2007
SCOTTISH and UK ministers were today embroiled in a public row over the use of stop-and-search powers at railway stations
Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill was accused by a Westminster Labour minister of mounting a "party political attack" on the British Transport Police.

But Mr MacAskill in turn defended his stance and denied that he had set out to pick a fight wit
h London.

The row erupted after Mr MacAskill questioned the use of stop-and-search powers at Scottish railway stations in the wake of the terror attack on Glasgow Airport.

The transport force has carried out more than 14,000 searches since June, while Scotland's eight police forces have carried out fewer than 200.

Mr MacAskill also criticised the high proportion of people from ethnic minorities being searched.

He claimed he had anecdotal evidence that the public and staff were being "pulled aside and interrogated".

However, UK Transport Minister Tom Harris today said Mr MacAskill should have spoken to the British Transport Police about the issue.

The Westminster politician launched his own attack on the Justice Secretary, demanding: "Why is Kenny MacAskill launching such an unprovoked attack on the British Transport Police when he's not even picking up the phone to ask for an explanation of these figures?"

He continued: "I'm the minister responsible for the British Transport Police. I have worked with them in various capacities over the past ten years or so. They are an outstanding police force.

"It is of course my duty to defend them when they are subject to a party political attack of this nature."

Mr Harris, speaking on BBC Radio Scotland, said: "Kenny MacAskill is playing politics with anti-terrorism operations – and at this period, when we are subject to who knows what kind of terrorist threat, it is outrageous for a minister to attack the British Transport Police, when all they are trying to do is protect the travelling public."

Following his remarks, Mr Harris, who is the MP for Glasgow South, has sent a strongly worded letter to Mr MacAskill. He added that he had a large number of Asian voters in his constituency and had received "not one single complaint" from them.

However, Mr MacAskill today insisted that he had been right to raise the issue, and said he had no plans to apologise.

"What we have to do in Scotland is make sure we make Scotland safe and strong," he said.

"I regret very much that a London minister – given that we have been co-operating with them fully and with governments internationally to combat terrorism – should take this position."

He added: "I have no complaints of the ordinary members of British Transport Police – it's the ethos and diktat coming from London."

The number of stops and searches had prompted "concern", he said, particularly in the Asian community.

"The fact of the matter is that two per cent of the Scottish population is an ethnic minority in the black and Asian community, yet they have suffered 12 per cent of the searches," he said.



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  • Last Updated: 20 December 2007 1:33 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

ptdoug,

20/12/2007 14:25:48
From today's Guardian:-

The Daily Express, once a bastion of unionist politics, is about to declare itself a supporter of independence for Scotland in a Richard Desmond-inspired marketing push.

Desmond, the Express Newspapers owner, and his senior editors are understood to have held a private meeting at his Scottish headquarters in Glasgow yesterday with the Scottish National party leader and first minister, Alex Salmond, to discuss launching its pro-independence campaign in the new year.

The Scottish edition of the daily paper signalled its change of tack yesterday morning, splashing on a telephone poll of its readers which showed 59% "favoured independence". The headline read: "Now you say it: Scotland must break free."

It also carried a commentary by its Scottish political editor, Kerry Gill, headlined "Independence bandwagon is gathering pace".

The Express, which has traditionally sported on its masthead a knight in armour with the cross of St George on his shield, has a very different logo in Scotland: the Lion Rampant in red carrying a saltire, the cross of St Andrew, with the subtitle "Scottish and proud of it".

From Doonhamer...

Desmond's other titles - the DAILY STAR, which sells 91,668 copies a day in Scotland, and the SUNDAY EXPRESS, selling 44,472 - are also expected to join the pro-independence push. :-)

Express kicks Off Pro-Independence Campaigne;

Link;

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/28788/Express-readers-say-YES

Pro-Independence supporters should support this move by the Express stable by visiting their site and posting comments of approval.
2

James (1),

20/12/2007 14:31:04
Since the current danger is coming from Asia does it not make sense targetting that group.
I would rather anyone was searched than have a bomb go off and destroy hundreds of families lives. The white irish males were the group targetted during the irish problem. Where was the outcry about that? Now its Asian males getting searched. So what?
Should we be targetting 80 year old white women?
Human rights has allowed this to happen. Everyone now is a victim and unless they are standing holding a bomb with a fuse fizzing away in their hand we should not touch them. Rubbish, stop & search deters.
3

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 20/12/2007 14:46:33
"the DAILY STAR, which sells 91,668 copies a day in Scotland" - I hope that's not true!

"Human rights has allowed this to happen" - what to happen. #2? The point about these 14,000 searches is that they haven't turned up anything. If there was a reasonable chance of catching anyone, then fine. There would actually be more point to targeting Asian males if it was actually effective but it hasn't been. This sort of policy will probably just alienate a (very) few more sufficiently that they decide to become terrorists.

Labelling whole groups as suspects doesn't help, especially if the number concerned is likely to be very small. Internment didn't work in N Ireland, and this seems likely to be just as counter-productive.

If BTP really want to save lives through stop-and-search, randon screening of white male youths for weapons might be more effective - they murder far more in this country than Muslim extremists.
4

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 15:35:22
Have the BTP offered any information on the success of this huge number of searches ?
How many have been charged with any offence ?
How many weapons have been found ?
Any drugs found ?
Has the amount of crime on trains fallen ?
The answers to these questions would let us all know how to judge their method in comparison with the Scottish police forces low profile approach.
5

James (1),

20/12/2007 15:57:48
#3 Human rights act has been the cause of major problems by giving "rights" to people who would kill you as quick as look at you. Those same rights that they would deny you.
14,000 searches reveal nothing but those who carry out terrorist attacks know there is a possibility of being searched. So there is your deterrent. Will it stop bombings? No but it will make it harder for terrorists. So what if even 1 million searches find nothing, police only have to find one thing to make it all worth while. I agree all young males (not just white as you want to be searched)should be searched for knives. Strange though that when tv reports the number of deaths through stabbings and shootings that black males seem to be the dominant group involved. Is this the media picking on blacks or is this just an unspoken truth?

6

Edward,

20/12/2007 16:08:55
What row?
Who is Tom Harris?
Must be a slow news day!
the EEN are using the officer junior to fill in the blank spaces of a hopeless rag!
7

Ms Fiona,

20/12/2007 16:12:07
#5 what country are you living in ? I think Mccaskill is talking about Scotland. They have not caught any terrorists by these 14,000 stop and searches. There were two stabbings just this weekend one in Central and one in Queen Street Stations, I would rather they concentrated on preventing neddish attacks like that, not carried out by ethnic Scots. Most of the Asians stopped in these searches were born here, they do have rights, they are Scottish.
8

John Blackley,

Austin, TX 20/12/2007 16:58:57
Well, here we go again. When this misbegotten shipwreck in Edinburgh first got up and running, we had the usual suspects wasting their time and the taxpayers' money in socring political points off each-other.

Now that the Haggis Republicans are running the show our wee amateur parliament can waste even more time and even more taxpayers' money in scoring political points off the big, bad meanies south of the border.

All-in-all, not much changes except the scale - and the amount of Scots' taxes that are spent on political posturing and the clamour for column inches.

Does Mr. McAskill really have no more productive thought in his head than to argue about numbers? Here's a clue: "He claimed he had anecdotal evidence". In my world, that translates as, "He just made it up" and so the answer to my question would be "No."

And Scots pay how much for the privilege of having their own, wee pretend-y parliament?
9

James (1),

20/12/2007 17:09:41
#7 as if to prove my point, up you pop! Forgetting we are fighting terrorists and wanting everone to go about their business, whatever it may be.
Over the Christmas period the police will carry out breath tests on what could be viewed as random motorists. They will catch some drink drivers but not everyone they stop will be a drink driver. So do we stop them breath testing drivers. I mean, how dare they suspect some of drink driving? Where is the proof, just because you drive a car!
It is a sad fact of life that whilst this unrest (to put it mildly) goes on and Asians are to blame then certain sections of the community will have to be viewed with suspicion whilst living in our midst.
To ignore this is to leave ourselves wide open to attack.

10

Ms Fiona,

Glasgow 20/12/2007 17:47:33
James I hardly think you can equate the psychology of suicide bombing with drink driving. You have stated in effect that all Asians should be viewed with suspicion. I think that is an extreme reaction which is not justified by the facts. I would prefer the BTP concentrated on their core tasks and left the terrorism hunting to those who are at least pursuing a line of intelligence rather than stopping random strangers.
11

walter,

20/12/2007 19:12:16
Ms Fiona
Most of the Asians stopped in these searches were born here, they do have rights, they are Scottish.

Is that statement not a contradiction in terms, if they are Asian then their nationality would be of one of the nations that make up the continent of Asia if however they are Scottish then they are European not Asian.
I think you will find James statement apt, he was not equating the psychology of suicide bombing with drink driving.
He was making a comparison between the reasons for the actions of the police.
Over this festive period the act of driving while under the influence of drink will rise, the police action of breath testing driver will increase over this period than at any other time of the year for that reason.
The threat of suicide bombers at this time comes from individuals or groups of muslims and when one considers that more muslims are ethnic than are white
it can be presumed that is the reason why the BTP are stopping a larger percentage of ethnics than whites.
I do not know for sure what Mr MacAskills reasons were for his statement but I do not believe it was out of concern for ethnics being stopped or even the act of stop and search.
I believe it was for no other reason than to cause friction and resentment between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
12

print the legend,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 21:07:58
John Smeaton for Justice Minister! MacAskill , like so many others in his party is pious in his adherence to the cult of political correctness with the exception of anything ( such as the British Transport Police's stop and search policy) and anyone hailing from south of the border.Then things get rough.
13

famous 15,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 22:56:18
#12 The British transport police are glorified security officers. They have different tradition and training from the regular police forces. The period they spend at the scottish police college is not long enough. Selection. Ah well?
14

Arrow,

edinburgh 20/12/2007 23:47:08
where are the BTP when there are distubances on trains carrying neds or is it only if the neds are wearing turbans or have a good tan that they stop them? do they approach gangs of these youths or pick them off one at a time.
are they subject ot the laws of Scotland? or, because it is the British Transport Police, English law.
15

Tonto43,

Midlothian 21/12/2007 10:22:27
It is well known that Al Quaeda attack the transport infrastructure. 9/11= planes, 21/7= trains and buses, Spain - trains, Glasgow = Airport= planes.

Now Mr McAskill, use your brains before you engage your mouth (if that is possible for a politician). It makes perfect common sense to use the special terrorism powers at you've guessed it.... Airports, train stations, underground railways doesn't it? Or am I missing something. Does independence really mean getting "blown to kingdom come" while waiting for the 8.52 train to North Berwick..........
16

Spudette,

Scotland 21/12/2007 13:23:08
Arrow and Famous 15 you clearly do not have a clue about the BTP so stop posting ill informed and pointless comments. FYI BTP attend Tulliallan College for the exact same length of time as do all the other forces and infact some of the lecturers are BTP officers. Also strangely enough they enforce "SCOTS" law not "English" law as perhaps here's a hint they are in Scotland.

 

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