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Published Date: 29 January 2008
SOME years after the Second World War, there were reports of Japanese soldiers found on distant Pacific islands refusing to surrender their arms, convinced they were still at war.

A similar problem is currently facing the Scottish Labour Party, if sources close to Wendy Alexander are to be believed.

The Scottish Labour leader believes two-thirds of Labour's elected representatives in Scotland have not yet accepted that th
eir party lost the election last year. The MSPs know it, have admitted it and have started to move on, but the MPs and councillors are still in denial.

In some ways, it is easy to see why this has happened. For Labour MPs, sitting in serried ranks behind the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, they are still very much in power. For many councillors running town halls across Scotland, the same is true. But they will all soon have to accept that the most important election for the Scottish Labour Party is the one for the Scottish Parliament and, having lost that, they are now members of a party in opposition. They will also have to accept the need for radical change – or at least that is Ms Alexander's prognosis.

She is trying to convince her party of the need for her Scottish Constitutional Commission, the cross-party body set up – on her initiative – to push for more powers for Holyrood. Ms Alexander believes the party has to come up with a radical new agenda if it is to retake power in 2011, and this is her way of doing so.

Her task, which is proving far from easy, is to persuade the party in Scotland to support her.

In 1997 and 1998, when Donald Dewar was drawing up plans for the Scottish Parliament, Ms Alexander backed a proposal for the new parliament to be given 50 per cent of the tax revenues raised in Scotland. This "assigning" of tax revenues was supposed to introduce some form of fiscal responsibility for Scotland, but it was turned down by the Treasury.

Ten years on, Ms Alexander is no longer the special adviser with limited clout she was then. She is now using her position as Scottish Labour leader to resurrect these proposals.

Ms Alexander believes in the concept of "power and responsibility" – not only that the Scottish Parliament would thrive if it had more responsibility for the money it spent, but that such a move would ease English antagonism over what is seen as the extravagant largesse of Scottish public spending.

For Ms Alexander, this is a matter of ideology; indeed, it is almost one of faith. This is not, however, the way it is being sold to Gordon Brown or the wider Labour Party, or indeed to David Cameron, all of whom have given their cautious backing to the constitutional commission.

A source close to Ms Alexander said: "Neither Brown nor Cameron wants the break-up of the United Kingdom to be their legacy."

The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition have been persuaded to back the commission proposal through fear, after being warned that this is the only way to stop the spread of nationalism.

Not only is this argument erroneous, but it opens up a series of questions which neither Ms Alexander, nor any other supporters of the argument for more powers for the parliament, have ever answered satisfactorily.

In 1997 – and, indeed, in 1979 – supporters of devolution claimed the establishment of a Scottish Parliament was the only way to head off the rise of nationalism. Now the same argument is being used again – that only more powers for the parliament will save the Union. What no-one appears able to answer is, where do we stop?

Once the parliament has control over more of the money raised in Scotland, as well as the money that is spent, once it can vary stamp duty, or excise duty, or VAT, or corporation tax, as well as income tax, once it has control over broadcasting and drug policy and firearms and abortion, how much more is left?

The big ideological change that has occurred since devolution is the merging of strands of unionism and nationalism.

In the easy days of the 1990s, people were either nationalist or unionist; there was very little between the two definitive positions. Now, politicians and the public range from "repeal the Scotland Act" unionists on one side of the spectrum to woad-covered, fundamentalist, republican nationalists on the other.

But most are in between, regardless of their party allegiance. There is probably not too much daylight between Ms Alexander, Tory Murdo Fraser and Jim Mather, the SNP's enterprise minister, on fiscal terms, but they are in three different parties.

When the constitutional commission reports, it will come up with proposals which will inevitably dilute the Union. The Scottish Parliament will get stronger and the bonds with Westminster will weaken. What Ms Alexander, and all those involved in the commission, need to work out is this: how far are they prepared to go and, more importantly, are they prepared to accept the consequences of their actions?

The constitutional commission will result in changes which may improve the work of the Scottish Parliament and the lives of Scots. It should certainly start to ease English antagonism at Scottish public spending. But what it will not do is kill off nationalism. The constitutional commission is an acceptable and justifiable mechanism for improving the devolution settlement. It will never be a way of ensuring the stability of the Union.

Ms Alexander should stick to her principles and argue her case from a political, moral and economic point of view, not from fear of the nationalist bogeyman. If she fails to do so, she will never win over her party and she will not win the next election.



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  • Last Updated: 28 January 2008 10:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:27:53
Councilor's in denial? Hardly. They moved on when they signed up to the Concordat.

Hamish, "woad-covered, fundamentalist, republican nationalists"? A little pejorative - no?

As for the rest - I don't think the "Commission" is really about getting more powers for Scotland. Really - that's just silly. They have the opportunity right now to press Westminster to cede legislative control of Scotland's elections to Holyrood - let's see them do it. Let's see them stand up for Scotland!
2

Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 00:31:07
"woad-covered, fundamentalist, republican nationalists on the other."
That's me.
Apart from the woad, that is.
Another wonderfully well balanced piece of reporting Hamish, well done.
3

NovaScotia™,

29/01/2008 00:32:34
2. What is woad?
4

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:34:47
2 - a blue dye - a la Braveheart!
5

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:36:46
Sorry - should read -3 - NovaScotia. You across the causeway boy or down amongst the savages?
6

Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 00:36:59
3
The ways to Wome.
Welease Wendy.
7

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:37:22
6. We don't!
8

NovaScotia™,

29/01/2008 00:38:08
8. LOL.

Welease Wodger.

Look at the Brown thread - he defends Alan Johnstone by saying he doesn't done anything really bad, like taking foreign donations - ROTFL!!!
9

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:38:26
All woads lead to Wome.

Goodnight you've been a great audience.

Thump.


10

Edward,

29/01/2008 00:49:03
What Hamis seems to be ignoring is that fact that the Scottish Government is already in open conversation with the Scottish people
The fact that Wendy Alexander is pushing for a constitutional commission over the heads of the Scottish people and ignoring what is already happening, can only encourage Scottish MP's to remain in there state of denial. So much so that ceratin MP's, such as Des Browne dont see the point in the commission as they prefer the status quo.
Perhaps if Wendy Alexander grasped the bull by the horns and took part in the national conversation set up by the Scottish Government and pitched her views and that of her party, then at least the Scottish MP's in London might start to sit up and listen. For as long as she and the Libdems continue to ignore the National conversation set up in Scotland, Westminster will continue to keep the Scottish MP's in denial!
11

Edward,

29/01/2008 00:52:39
By the way it is noticable that Hamish MacDonnell is showing Wendy in a good light, probably to detract from her current difficulties and likely to be on breifing from Labour to have Wendy on a more possitive light.
Still doesnt detract from her guilt and that of her colleagues from the illegal dodgy donation
12

subrosa,

29/01/2008 01:00:46
Got a funny feeling Hamish McDonell had a free meal last week. Well not exactly free because nothing is free, but this is the payment for it :)
13

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 01:13:44
15 - Too high a price for fish and chips!
14

Nikostratos,

29/01/2008 01:15:25
#12 Edward

You idiot there is no national conversation only a Nationalist monologue with only one predictable outcome. so why give it any kind of moral authority best ignore it and let the 'Malcontents' have a field day with there pointless meanderings..........

#14 JoeMcT

Good post make sense and is properly the most prescient one i've read in ages.......Somebody will be along in a minute to insult you no doubt.........


15

subrosa,

29/01/2008 01:30:16
Go visit the Opinion page and have a read about Aviemore planning. Seems the chief of SEPA contributed £995 to Ms Alexander's campaign (allegedly).
16

James,

Dùn Dèagh 29/01/2008 01:32:02
#17 Nikodopolous


I detect a crumbling in your bumbling.
17

Edward,

29/01/2008 01:33:35
#17 Nikostratos
At least I can read, you evidently cannot, or you would have realised that the National Conversation centres around a discussion paper, which outlines three options, being status quo, increase in powers, and outright independence. It up to the Scottish people to discuss and evaluate. The problem with people like you is your so blinkered.
18

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 03:05:50
Here's to the unionist eagle
That bird of great courage and wit
That eats all day in the UK
And flies to Scotland to s h i t!
19

Teamdroid,

29/01/2008 03:13:21
15, I agree, this looks similar to an opinion piece today over at the Herald by another lapdog journo, Douglas Fraser. "The Unresolved Questions about devolution-plus"

Both pieces talk about the post-EC Wendyworld, but the lack of conviction is notable. I mean that in both senses ;-)
20

Nikostratos,

29/01/2008 03:34:23
#20 Eddie

I may be blinkered but i am not stupid (unlike An Beal Bacht) The Nationalist conversation is like playing with a loaded dice. no matter were you throw them there is only one result or in other words the result will be fixed and the Nationalist would have the added bonus of claiming all took part.........

Anyway have actually read any of the comments on the national conversation.......loony toons or what.......

Must go got a duck in the oven................
21

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 03:45:11
23 - Yes go and duck in the oven!
22

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29/01/2008 05:16:03
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23

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 05:21:46
25 - Bring on the election - aye! Swamped - thats the word.
24

An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 05:30:40
Shift change - SNP Central now taking over - Watch out for "Neil" on this thread!
25

Guga II,

Rockall 29/01/2008 06:27:54
'Ms Alexander believes in the concept of "power and responsibility"'. Does she really Hamish? In that case why has she not tendered her resignation over her, by her own admission, breaking the law?

Incidentally Hamish, are you or have you ever been a card carrying member of either old Labour or the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch)? Not that I am accusing you of bias in your article or anything like that; or even racism for your comment about "woad-covered, fundamentalist, republican nationalists". Nor would I dream of calling you a Butcher's Apron covered, fundamentalist, unionist a******* creeper.

As for your comment about questions not having been answered satisfactorily, there you are wrong. The perfectly satisfactory answer is for Scotland to get out from under the yoke of English imperialism, and be an independent nation once again.
26

Richard Taylor,

SNP Central 29/01/2008 07:21:54
Wendy been found guilty yet?
27

langtonian,

scotus 29/01/2008 07:25:59
#18 subrosa
While on the subject of "dodgy donations" where did the SNP seperatist funding for last May-time election=£1.5million, by far the biggest party budget.
Can we have a list of, or at least methodology of how this vast sum was accrued.Just in the public interest you understand.
28

subrosa,

29/01/2008 07:42:36
# 30

Go look it up langtonian. It's on public record. It's been in newspapers umpteen times too.

By the way I had to read your post 3 times, the first paragraph doesn't make sense grammatically. In fact all of the post is bad grammatically.
29

James,

Dùn Dèagh 29/01/2008 07:49:30
Night shift signing off.

One day closer to independence.
30

JayJay,

29/01/2008 08:16:12
"Ms Alexander believes in the concept of "power and responsibility""
"Ms Alexander should stick to her principles and argue her case from a political, moral and economic point of view, not from fear of the nationalist bogeyman"

Hamish, you stroll on, writing such bon mots from the safety of Wendy's flat in the West End. Did she proof read this before publication at all?

Since you clearly drank way too much at Wendy's lovely dinner the other week, here are a few uncomfortable facts.

1. If you believe in power and responsibility, that implies that, when you are involved in a donations scandal, you simply must resign. Ordering Charlie Gordon to chuck it, presumably for a seat in the Lords in due course, is not demonstrating responsibility for your actions.

2. You have no moral compass if you seriously believe the concept of "unintentional wrongdoing" is acceptable anywhere other than in Primary Four.

3. A woman who has made a career out of talking to people whilst never listening is hardly someone I would trust to lead an effort to secure a political concensus.

4. What possible economic benefits could Wendy cite as evidence that the union works? Our wonderful infrastructure? Magnificent public services? Outstanding public transport? Everywhere one looks underinvestment dominates in Scotland, and perhpas people just feel that Labour have had long enough to make a difference. Perhaps it might be worthwhile letting someone else have a shot?
31

morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 08:32:49
This is similar to the DAILY RETARD report!


See this :
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/newspaper-opinion/2008/01/28/alexander-yet-to-score-point-86908-20301232/
32

donald,

glasgow 29/01/2008 08:35:51
That would be the "Bwitish Woad to Socialism" All roads lead to the City of London and Northern Rock.
33

morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 08:48:13

25

Its progress of course .................but.............
the only surpise here is that 30% of Scotland still have not got it through their thick skulls that LABOUR CANNOT POSSIBLY DEEFEAT THE TORIES AT WESTMINSTER and to vote for them is an act of futility, and NEW LABOUR
could even be under threat for second place soon!
All three Unionist parties LIED TO SCOTLAND for 40 years and conned us out of our birthright.ITS TIME to pay them back for their honesty, and some appear to have got their ostrich heads out of the sand at last!

Now for the numpties!
34

Michael,

West Lothian 29/01/2008 08:52:22
Dear, dear, another barrel scraper this one. Hamish fails to address the all important question of who might get involved in Wendy's commission in view of the fact that it has such a clearly party political agenda - after all its function is to "stop nationalism" spreading or some such political illiteracy. Wendy's stated aim is to use the commission as a mechanism for getting Labour back into power - not readers should note, making Scotland a better place, improving the lives of Scottish citizens or any of that altruistic baloney.

That Wendy is so forthright in assigning this function to the Commission shows how far Labour have sunk. Their forte in the past was concealing their selfish party ambitions. Since May last year, with the cover provided by the Scottish press and other elements of the ancien regime gone, Labour are incapable of even remembering to pretend tht they have any other ambition than to be in power permanently.

Labour cooncillors may have problems getting to grips with this new reality but so it seems does Wendy, if this account of her views is anything to go by.
35

A Better Way,

29/01/2008 09:07:57
There will be absolutely NO diversion from Wendy the Thief despite this orchestrated attempt by the London Controlled Media to distract from her crimes.

Scotland is now run by real Scots who's masters are not in London. They are up here and they look just like us all. The Scottish People.
36

Calum10,

29/01/2008 09:24:49
"woad-covered, fundamentalist, republican nationalists." - quote, Hamish MacDonell.

Who in their right might would deal with Unionists of Mr MacDonell's persuasion after an utterance like that.

It is not only Labour that is in denial it is also the Unionist press in Scotland.
37

Queen D,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:56:23
Well said , Calum!
38

Karin M,

29/01/2008 10:06:46
OOOOH the knives are out for wendy alexander. Does the press have a sniff of something from the electoral commision. Even the daily labour has turned agaisnt wendy.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk:80/comment/newspaper-opinion/2008/01/28/alexander-yet-to-score-point-86908-20301232/

Wendy alexander is going to be jettisoned i expect and will resign to be replaced by andy kerr who has been going on the attack. we shall see. We shall see. And I said it first.
39

Karin M,

29/01/2008 10:08:27
Wont that be good andy kerr the former health minister who wanted to close all our hospitals.
40

Karin M,

29/01/2008 10:09:04
Actually he did close hospitals well parts of them. matrnity hospitals services at the vale of leven.
41

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 10:18:42
Morris - various posts.

Excellent posts. Read the article you linked in the Daily Retard. That looks like the kiss of death for Wendy. Pity, her performances at FMQ are breathtaking!
Who do you think the Daily Retard will appoint as the new Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (Scottish Sub-branch) leader???
42

democracy,

Scottish Borders 29/01/2008 10:26:40
#14,JoeMcT is spot on, New labour, aka. Blair/Brown regime will go down the plughole as a bunch of self-serving incompitents and will be unelectable for decades to come, as the failed tories that they are.
Also, well said #39,40,Scottish and proud,the unionists are always falling into the trap of proving how anti-Scottish they are, rather than a proud Scot.
All they are proving is that they have a separate agenda that calls for a foreign country to govern us!!
43

AJ Fife,

29/01/2008 10:59:48
Karin M,

Do you really think wee wendy is for the chop? It'll be a sad day to see her wee heid bowed in disgrace and doon in her massive mooth, over highly dubious financial practices......NOT!!!!

Woooohooooooo!
44

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 29/01/2008 11:18:40
some Labour cllrs may have changed (maybe?). and the article is right when it say's Labour MP's are in denial, but to suggest that Labour MSP's have changed is nuts, there the worst.

Move on, you've got to be joking.
45

Michael,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 11:31:35
#44

Thanks for the link. She's finished now, quite clearly Kerr has convinced the Retard editor to back him and that's that. Question is why the Retard is so desperate to be associated with such a bunch of failures.
46

Peeablo,

Brownistan 29/01/2008 11:35:22
Hamish McDonell - proud Labourite as ever!!!

As a point of note, why do you consistently refer to WENDY Alexander as 'Ms Alexander'? Is this some form of respect from you or is it to give her an air of importance? In all your other articles ALL MPs/MSPs are always referenced by first name - only WENDY is given the honour (sic) of title.

You are so transparent and you are really turning off the readers with your biased!
47

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 11:36:34
When Andy Kerr is announced as the new leader of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (Scottish Sub-branch), which will be fairly soon according to the Daily Retard, will the polls show any difference???
48

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 11:39:13
#52 Michael

Look at the people who buy the Daily Retard and you can see why the Retard backs the Sleaze and Corruption Party.
49

druidh,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 11:57:17
#53 - You're right, what a weirdo...

"Ms Alexander, Tory Murdo Fraser and Jim Mather"

50

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 11:57:29
55# Jimmy the Pie

Precisely! I noticed the daily wretched's poll on whether or not to drop Britannia from 50p coins, has the majority of voters opting to keep her. Says it all really.
51

juan kerr and his dead magic hands, now re risen.,

29/01/2008 12:06:44
It is also high time they stopped pile driving Scotland into the ground. As this article glaringly implies and the comments thereafter.

http://news.scotsman.com/comment/Aviemore-How-Scotland39s-planning-system.3719146.jp#2421156

52

juan kerr and his dead magic hands, now re risen.,

29/01/2008 12:08:30
http://tinyurl.com/yowo8z

Here it is
53

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 12:14:05
"Woad covered, fundamentalist republican nationalists!"

Where else in the world, where you have a people striving to achieve the normalcy of self government, would they be goaded and marginalised like this by their supposed national newspaper.

Do you set out to be so insulting Hamish, or are you just a cynical old hack! A union flag covered unionist fundamentalist. Do you kneel on your flag and prostrate yourself in the direction of westminster several times a day, while chuntering a unionist mantra!
54

CowalDude,

Alba 29/01/2008 12:23:51
Hamish says:
”…....only more powers for the parliament will save the Union. What no-one appears able to answer is, where do we stop?”

From the standpoint of a non- woad wearing republican nationalist it is clear that this is the wrong question! I refer Hamish to Dean Acheson, US Secretary of State, 1949-1952 who famously said:
“Britain has lost an empire and not yet found a role”

Given the growing strength of identity within each of the founder-nations on the British Isles combined with the developing jurisdiction and power of the EU, how can the intermediate “British Empire State”, with its associated cost, centralisation and bureaucracy continue to be justified?
I have yet to hear any rational argument to counter the rapidly emerging consensus; that is, in an era of developing global politics, the current British Union is an outdated concept and organisation layer, neither big enough, nimble enough nor loved enough, whose time has passed?
55

Teamdroid,

29/01/2008 12:36:57
#44,52 - there might be mileage in that. If true however, Andy Kerr has to answer one very difficult question the moment he takes over from Wendy: "Why didn't you have the guts to stand against her in a leadership contest last year?"

By the way, where's AM2? Surely he should be logging the clearly bigoted remark of the journalist above. Or like "corruptionwatch" on the Herald comment pages, is his Nelson's Eye in full working order?
56

Karin M,

29/01/2008 13:37:42
3. is that no the things unionists cannae see for the trees.
57

Karin M,

29/01/2008 13:41:08
3. Where jonathon ross's house is to be found at the end of.
58

Karin M,

29/01/2008 13:42:14
3. What jonathon ross did with a horse.
59

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 13:59:44
"two-thirds of Labour's elected representatives in Scotland have not yet accepted that their party lost the election last year."

Who can blame them when all they see of their leader is her heels trotting off to westminster to apologise, and beg for more scraps of devolution! They're all waiting on the cavalry arriving.
What they get is a reluctent Des Browne looking like he feels he's got better things to do! There's a war on you know!


60

Conway,

East Lothian 29/01/2008 14:04:22
Its not just the Labour party that have to accept that the SNP won the Scottish Election.Parts of the media appear to think that due to the inability of the oppostion to undermine the SNP government that they should do it for them.
Gordon Brown has signed the latest EU Treaty giving more power to Brussels the Scots parliament will increase its powers,the Welsh and Nothern Irish assembly will gain full law making powers ..so what is Westminster for ?
The British Union has served its purpose its time to move on.
61

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 14:12:11
Now that the daily wretched has drawn its dagger for Wendy today, I'm genuinely deeply worried. We might just lose her. This is terrible! I was enormously reassured by her and Brownes smug posturing and air of " trust me, it's taken care of." The EC is so compromised I presumed it was a done deal! We have to do something!!!!

Who's with me? In the interests of independence we must now mount a desperate counter campaign to save Wendy!!!!!!!
Alex.......Do something........quick!!!!!!
62

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 14:25:13
I think it's time that we started the "Wendy Must Stay" campaign.
She must stay as New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (Scotland Sub-branch) Leader. Her and Fatty Foulkes are the dream team.
63

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 14:30:05
For Wendy's sake, we must all chant this in unison.
All together now......

I do believe in faeries.....I do believe in faeries....
64

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 14:38:28
'Tis a bit of life imitating art.
No one really gives a sh#t about the lost boys, you just really want to save Wendy!

I do I do I do......
65

John Edgar,

CUPAR Fife 29/01/2008 15:37:11
Alas, NULAB are in a dilemma. Increase the powers of the Scottish parliament and you are doing the SNP work for them. Do nothing so that Gordon Brown can hold on to his UK positions, then the SNP gain. All it adds up to is that their Unionist MSPs are unreconstructed Westminsterites and are only looking over their shoulder to what their masters in London do and say. (The Tories have always been so and the LIB DEMs just tag on) The East European communists did the same and looked to Moscow. Then Moscow changed and they were all scuppered in the Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Poland, Bulgaria. The Baltic states gained independence from the Soviet Union etc. But the symbolic seismic shift has already taken place in Scotland - a non-unionist party, untrammeled by Westminster MPs runs a Government in Edinburgh, not an Executive. And Labour in Scotland, locally and nationally is no longer in total power after being the one party regime for so long!
66

Karin M,

29/01/2008 15:44:18
I herby wish to register my support for the save wendy campaign. I also beleive in faeries and elves and pixies and smurfs. Okay not smurfs.
WEndy must stay. Wendy should be given honorary membership of the snp for all the votes she has given them. Everytime she opens her mouth a bell rings and another voter loses the labour blindfold from their eyes. NO dont go wendy. Unless of course your stepping down for jackie ballie in which case heres yer jaicket.
67

Ananurhing,

29/01/2008 16:49:20
76# Meths

He could always do it anonymously through a third party.
68

NovaScotia™,

29/01/2008 17:05:49
76. Indeed. And that Andy Kerr is a very charismatic, inspirational figure, ready to take over from the Wendy...
69

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 18:12:02
Looks like a done deal, with Andy poised to take over from Wendy when she resigns, to spend more time with her family. It will be a unanimous decision with no challengers. Of course the 'election expenses' will all be above board and any wrongdoing will be 'unintentional'.
70

dws,

29/01/2008 18:12:28
Can't we have Baron Foulkes of Vulgaria?

The thought of him chuntering on about cybernats and dogs of war in parliament has me chuckling no end.
71

David Ban,

04620 Vera 29/01/2008 18:19:26
#21 Beal Bacht- Great I am definitely going back to poetry!
72

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 18:34:56
If Lard Foulkes was to become New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (Scottish Sub-branch) leader, would he lose his House of Lords expenses? If that were the case then an extra allowance should be paid to keep his Lardship in the style that all good socialists like him have become accustomed.
73

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 18:48:07
After reading this article the words "statting", and "bloomin' obvious" come to mind. But for the Hootsman perhaps a dawning realisation their bets have been placed with less than due dillegence!
And that a seismic shift has indeed occurred in politics North of Hadrians Wall.
Or maybe its just that the dunderheads at The Hootsman have realised that the NEW LABOUR hacks, despite having the obligitory crypto-fascist outlook, worthy of endorsement by a rag such as this, are simply not up to the job!
I mean, are there really any cretins out there who
believe that the likes of HIS NOBLENESS, THE BARON VON DER FOULKES is anything other than a fat slob, with little wit, and less wisdom?
74

HEN BROON 5,

29/01/2008 20:09:38
"It's time for Scottish Labour to face hard facts"

That will always be their problem. They believe that The Scottish Goverments is theirs by right, and that only they can represent Scotland as they still call themselves Labour.

They have betrayed their socialist working class roots and it is now pay back time.

They are rendered ineffectual and "impermissible," by the quagmire of sleaze they have created. Moral and idealogical bankruptcy will see them unelectable in Scotland for a long long time. Alex Salmond will grind them into dust.

Andy Kerr will lose East Kilbride next time round as he appears more and more like a haddy out of water. His last appearance on newsnight re Aviemore was dreadful, he is another example of Liebours over promotion of tea boys and shop stewards. They would have trouble running a bouncy castle.


75

Miss Jean Brodie,

29/01/2008 20:23:08
‘Ms Alexander should stick to her principles’

We’ve seen these principles in action - another slice of privelidge union pie anyone ?
76

Jimmy the Pie,

29/01/2008 20:35:52
‘Ms Alexander should stick to her principles’

You mean she has any???
77

weh,

29/01/2008 20:48:22
Hamish mcdonnell writes:-
"There is probably not too much daylight between Ms Alexander, Tory Murdo Fraser and Jim Mather, the SNP's enterprise minister."

What parallel universe do you inhabit, Hamish??
Are you on a day return trip from the planet Zog??

Are you aff your heid?? Do you really believe this guff? That the SNP and the opposition numpties are in broad agreement over ANYTHING??

Never is it more clear for all to witness, is the fact that pure HATRED exists in the chamber (and outwith) between (especially) the nulab scots numpties and the SNP!

What are your qualifications to spout such drivel??

78

Strathturret,

montrose 29/01/2008 22:13:58
The tides flowing one way I'm afraid. It does not matter if Wendy is replaced By Andy Kerr, who I agree looks overpromoted already. I would not put Mr Kerr in charge of a cake and candy stall.

I think the Tories were unwise to join Wendy's commission. The smart move would have been for Annabel to have thrown a sickie or to only participate if someone other than Wendy led labour's side. The Liberals well what do you expect from the lapdogs.
79

Karin M,

29/01/2008 22:38:43
Hamish mcdonnell writes:-
"There is probably not too much daylight between Ms Alexander, Tory Murdo Fraser and Jim Mather, the SNP's enterprise minister."


I assume that hamish hasnt looked at the space between mzzzzzzzzzz alexanders ears. otherwise he would have known that comment was nonsense.
80

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29/01/2008 23:00:56
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Exocet,

Undercover 30/01/2008 19:18:17
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6zye0nh8w
82

Eve,

Scotland 30/01/2008 21:03:08
#92 Exocet: Highly unaprotate to the artcle.

And highly isulting to thoes of us who have lost loved ones because of smoking or/and passive smoking.

The facts are SMOKING KILLS AND MOST PEOPLE ARE NON-SMOKERS AND MOST OF US, DON'T LIKE BEEN SMOKE NEXT TO, JUST BECAUSE YOU AND SOME OTHER NICOTEINE ADDICTS ARE IN DINIAL DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEBAN SHOULD BE ROMOVED.

It should be implented futher, It's NOT fair for a non-smoker hair to stink of smoke because a selfish smoker has went up next to them to light up. It happens al the time at bus stops.
83

Eve,

Scotland 30/01/2008 21:06:15
#88 Strathturret: Really!! I'd rather he was in charge of a cake and candy stall, than anything else!!!!

 

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