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Published Date: 10 October 2008
IT IS now a bear market. And Jim Murphy, the new Secretary of State for Scotland, is insisting he will be anything but bullish when it comes to dealing with the SNP. The first phone call made upon hearing he had been promoted to the Cabinet was to his wife, the second to his mother, the third to Iain Gray and the fourth was to the First Minister.
With the markets still wobbly, the youngest member of the Cabinet is waving the white flag to the SNP, calling for Alex Salmond to join him in talks with the Scottish CBI and STUC about the prospects of the Scottish economy (or, as Mr Murphy prefers
to term it, "the economy in Scotland").

He is less pedantic about what to call Mr Salmond's administration; he does not have a problem with the term "Scottish Government".

But like any politician, one cannot help but suspect that games are being played. Mr Murphy has spent many months negotiating with the Far Right, as well as the communist governments. He is sure he can get along with a government of the SNP hue.

But playing the non-partisan card ultimately serves Labour. The party wants to disarm the SNP of firing any potshots during the Glenrothes by-election on the 10p tax or high cost of living.

Labour MPs are split over whether the rescue package will ultimately save Mr Brown and their party. The Glenrothes by-election has lost its potential danger. Even if Labour loses, the rebels admit, Mr Brown will stay in post until at least the spring.

Some evangelists insist that the Conservatives have been caught short without any inspiring alternatives. More cautious loyalists admit it could all go badly wrong if the rescue package stabilises the banks, but the economy still goes into an entrenched recession with many lay-offs.

It was shortly before midnight at a restaurant last week that a senior Tory suggested: "Why don't we all withdraw our £300 limit just before midnight, and then again at five minutes past?"

The politician was clearly joking, but this week that suggestion rings far too true for the savers in the Icelandic banks that are in meltdown.

There is confusion about what rights, if any, will be extended to wholesale depositors, ie local authorities. Even some Nationalist politicians seemed alarmed when it was put to them by The Scotsman that, legally, Westminster would not have to bail out Scottish local authorities. But Whitehall insiders think that if England and Wales were bailed out, Scotland would also get aid.

One opposition MP suggested there could be a case for legal challenge: Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, in his statement to the Commons, was not specific on what kind of depositors would be bailed out. He said the government would ensure "no depositor" loses out.

It is all going to get messy, and there are no guarantees that the taxpayer will clean up.





The full article contains 506 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 09 October 2008 10:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

subrosa,

10/10/2008 00:16:30
Jim Murphy wants to 'disarm' the SNP, well, well. A one man crusade against the SNP. Wonder where I'll put my bet ...
2

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10/10/2008 00:52:05
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3

Guga II,

Rockall 10/10/2008 03:05:55
We neither need nor want a new Colonial Governor. He, and the archaic and anachronistic Scottish Office should be scrapped. They are a waste of time and money.

In any event, the post of Secretary of State for Scotland was supposed to be to represent the views of the Scottish people to the English government, not to try and impose the views and policies of the English government on Scotland.

The sooner we get out from under the colonial yoke, the better.
4

Rodster,

Glasgow 10/10/2008 07:06:47
Jim Murphy , yet another Uncle Tom "Scottish" Quisling.
alas my MP but not for long .....
5

Brodric,

10/10/2008 08:08:57
Tie me down before I march to the Scotsman office and pour bile over the anti-Scottish, unjust comments which continue to come from the Scotsman.

"Even some Nationalist politicians seemed alarmed when it was put to them by The Scotsman that, legally, Westminster would not have to bail out Scottish local authorities".

HOW DARE THEY PUT THIS ONE SIDED PIECE OF CXXXP.

When Scotland has the right to its own assets, to its oil-wealth and to raise its own taxes. When Scotland has the right to enter the EU alone as an independent country and to access infrastructure funds (motorways, ferry access across norther Europe) which have been denied it in this so-called Union. Then, we can be said to be FINANCIALLY IN CONTROL.

Whilst I would fight for the Bank of Scotland as an icon, I am thoroughly ashamed and tired of the SCOTSMAN. This could happily be sold down the river and replaced with the Scottish Times, The Scottish Herald. But Scotsman is not a decent title for such an anti-Scottish newspaper.
6

Brodric,

10/10/2008 08:10:53
The British government must PAY UP to all the parts of the British Isles. Our oil wealth (taken without any real notion of building up the Scottish infrastructure) covers not only this but a decent DIVORCE SETTLEMENT when independence finally comes.
7

Argyll on line,

Strachur 10/10/2008 08:37:25
'the new Secretary of State for Scotland, is insisting he will be anything but bullish when it comes to dealing with the SNP'

So the firt action he takes is to refuse the SNP's quite legitimate request for the Scottish Parliament to control its own elections? Yet another wretched toady of Broon.
8

Boy Wonder,

10/10/2008 08:45:23
There is no further need for a SSfS. Not since devolution. What's the matter with the UK Govt? Don't they trust anybody ... not even a FM of their own party to run the country???
9

Brodric,

10/10/2008 08:48:50
No 8 Boy Wonder - good point. I missed that!
10

Ananurhing,

10/10/2008 09:51:27
So once again we have a full time SS, who's declared intention is to contain Scotland's democratically elected Government!
Smurphy is a political pygmy, who's authority and loyalty rests with a government outside of his own country. A McComprador!
If the people of Glenrothes help to end this anomaly, the nation will owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
11

Calum10,

10/10/2008 10:04:38
The SNP Mantra will be, "ELEVEN YEARS OF LABOUR MISRULE"

Labour has given Scotland: Overseas wars. Tax increases for the poorest workers. High energy and fuel prices for the vunerable and working families. High food prices for all. A deep recession. Job cuts. Cuts in pensions.

The SNP have given Scotland: Freeze of Council Tax. Free school meals. Abolished tution fees. Abolished road tolls. Bringing an end to prescription charges. Bringing an end to the Council Tax.

The SNP will put the BOOT into Labour.

Labour costs you more - the SNP costs you less.
12

gus1940,

Edinburgh 10/10/2008 10:14:59
#5

How about re-naming it 'The Scottish Unionist'. This would save it from complaints under the Trades Description Act.
The paper could then accelerate its descent into dumbed-down competition with the Daily Record & Sun and continue to pump out unionist lies and propaganda for those cretins who like to read such vile distortions of the truth.

A further act would be to flog off 'The Scotsman' title to individuals or a company who genuinely have Scotland's interests at heart and who would be prepared to turn it back into a newspaper prepared to print the unbiased truth and not a pack of biased lies designed to impress mindless idiots who don't know any better.
The money raised would help to slow the raspid decline in JP's fortunes.
13

gus1940,

Edinburgh 10/10/2008 10:22:55
#5

One thing that helps to sustain 'The Anti-Scotsman' is its monopoly of the Announcements of Births, Marriages and Deaths etc.

If this information was available from an alternate source I am sure the rapidly declining circulation of the paper would increase considerably.

This raises an intersting legal question which could perhaps be answered by somebody more qualified than myself:-

Who owns the copyright to the text of said Announcements and could they be legally copied and published in other papers or on the net?

After all, the copy is submitted by and paid for by the originators of the information contained therein.

14

Alan B,

10/10/2008 10:24:42
It is good to see Murphy has put behind him the financial scandal where him and other mps/msps were wrongly claiming rent back from the tax payer when the rent was also being claimed by in full by the msp for the same office.

Labours policy if you cannot run a small constituency office promote him to run scotland. You could not make it up.

Not like labour mps to be involved in dodgy financial dealings. lol
15

SEUMAS,

fearn 10/10/2008 11:32:50
TOMTOM# Just take a look at Norway for the answers to your queation.
16

SEUMAS,

fearn 10/10/2008 11:34:00
17-question-sorry about the typing.
17

Alan B,

10/10/2008 12:10:42
#tommytommy

This global crisis will affect both big and small countries none are immune.

The question is not really this crisis but good economic managment of the scottish economy. We really do not know if scotland would be better managed if we were independent. But what we do know is that it has been poorly management within the union. Both absolutely and relatively.

If an independent scotland had been managed by the same incompetence as brown has done for the uk then scotland would struggle with the same problems the uk is currently struggling with.

The real argument for independence is that while scotland has performed poorly economically within the union with growth of 2.2% over the last decade and less that 2% over the last 30yrs. The uk as a whole has growth of 2.8% per yr and the group of small northern european countries 3.6% over the last decade.

Luxembourg, Norway, Ireland, Switzerland, Iceland, Netherlands,Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Finland , Belgium

are all richer than the uk per person ie gdp per capita ppp is higher in these small eurpean countries than the big ones that include uk, germany, italy and france.
18

Alan B,

10/10/2008 12:12:23
#tommytommy

Since i have tried to answer you question can you answer one of mine.

Why have the smaller western european nations done better economically on the whole than the bigger ones?

19

Ewan M,

10/10/2008 13:10:11
#17 get real. You've been listening to Salmond too much.
20

Ewan M,

10/10/2008 13:18:54
#9 Brodric oh are you still talking I fell asleep. I've heard that rant a million times starts to get boring and quite clearly not that many people believe it as the last time I checked I was in the majority and Scotland wasn't voting for Independence.
21

Davie08,

Edinburgh 10/10/2008 13:24:04
#23 Ewan M Who did you check with?
22

The Master,

10/10/2008 13:34:03
"Mr Murphy has spent many months negotiating with the Far Right, as well as the communist governments. He is sure he can get along with a government of the SNP hue."

Nice one, Gerri: I now understand how Murphy was considered uniquely qualified to deal with nationalists. However, as we all know only too well, they're a strange kettle of fish, so, once he's finished his tenure as Scotland Secretary, he'll truly be able to see that he's "seen it all".

If Murphy's able to pour a decent quantity of cold water over the recent nationalist insurgency in seats which do not share the interests of their natural Tartan Tory heartland, then he will be able to count a job well done.

Nationalism is a unique mindset and, while Murphy is no doubt only too well aware of this, I wonder if he knew the full extent of what he was letting himself in for when he accepted his cabinet level position. I know myself, from my experiences on these very message boards, that they seem to enter a kind of twilight zone whenever anyone introduces certain trigger words, such as "oil revenues", "Westminster" or "rigged referendum".
23

guenevere,

10/10/2008 14:44:21
Murphy needn't fret,just wait for the obese one to bring himself down,then wait for the tories to bring him down (East Renfrewshire should be the only safe Tory seat in Scotland),then find himself a new job until he finds a safe seat no doubt in the north somewhere near me (I'm from stockton,as many of you will know by now,loving me as you do LMAO)
24

guenevere,

10/10/2008 15:13:08
27.becoz scotland's so wee,just look at how wee Ireland was laughed at when it tried to guarantee all deposits in its bank but everybody knew it didn't have a big enough economy to do that. As part of the UK, scotland has prestige and is stronger which is what we all want apart from the nutty nats, end of!
25

Finnzz,

10/10/2008 15:31:19
"The first phone call made upon hearing he had been promoted to the Cabinet was to his wife, the second to his mother, the third to Iain Gray and the fourth was to the First Minister"

Probably had to ask permission from the first two before he received his orders from the third before finally having the manners to speak to the fourth.
26

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

10/10/2008 15:50:04
#25 With certain elements of the nationalist movement there is absolutely no point in talking - at least two-thirds of the comments above are full of the usual bile and hatred.

It's just fortunate that the SNP leadership are not as bitter as some of their more rabid sectarian followers.

Alex Salmond will accept the offer from Mr Murphy. At a time when everyone needs to work together in the best interests of the economy it is an opportunity for the FM to stand above the affray and be a leader.
27

dude,

wishaw 10/10/2008 16:42:35
25
The Master,
10/10/2008 13:34:03
"Mr Murphy has spent many months negotiating with the Far Right, as well as the communist governments. He is sure he can get along with a government of the SNP hue."

Nice one, Gerri: I now understand how Murphy was considered uniquely qualified to deal with nationalists. However, as we all know only too well, they're a strange kettle of fish, so, once he's finished his tenure as Scotland Secretary, he'll truly be able to see that he's "seen it all".

If Murphy's able to pour a decent quantity of cold water over the recent nationalist insurgency in seats which do not share the interests of their natural Tartan Tory heartland, then he will be able to count a job well done.

Nationalism is a unique mindset and, while Murphy is no doubt only too well aware of this, I wonder if he knew the full extent of what he was letting himself in for when he accepted his cabinet level position. I know myself, from my experiences on these very message boards, that they seem to enter a kind of twilight zone whenever anyone introduces certain trigger words, such as "oil revenues", "Westminster" or "rigged referendum".

You seem to have the same idea as AM2 could you be him, is that you Alexander?
28

dude,

wishaw 10/10/2008 16:43:17
Scotland’s shame
Posted by Scottish Unionist (or AM2) at 3:49 PM. There are 9 comments.
From a perceptive piece by Tom Harris about the feeling induced by sectarianism:
It’s called “Scotland’s shame” for a reason: sectarianism makes you feel embarrassed to be Scottish. I hate it when the subject is even raised when I’m with English friends because I imagine they must look at us as a backward nation.
His post nails the issue; that’s exactly how it feels. But his description struck me for another reason: just a few days ago I felt something very similar, but in an altogether different context.

Apropos of nothing, an English friend (who is unaware of my dalliance with political blogging) said to me: “You Scots will probably give us the heave-ho, won’t you?”

Immediately, I felt a mixture of embarrassment, sadness, frustration and even a touch of anger. I was being associated with the separatist agenda which I so profoundly dislike. Moreover, it was personal: “give us the heave-ho”. How petty. How irrelevant. What a complete embarrassment!

And did she imagine me to think like that? Was she really under the impression that a majority of us in Scotland are preoccupied with political separation rather than practical solutions? Does she imagine that in Scotland we care so little for Britain’s long shared history, our vital culture and renowned institutions? If so, perhaps the English really do look at us as a backward nation — and in all honesty who could blame them? Nationalism: another source of shame for Scotland.
29

dude,

wishaw 10/10/2008 16:45:27
Nationalism is not scotlands shame but its saviour.

Unionism is Scotlands shame, sectarianism goes hand and hand with unionism, AM2 Scotlands shame
30

Alan B,

10/10/2008 17:33:11
#21 tommytommy

My question to you did not pertain to this slump. My question was why the small countries listed

Luxembourg, Norway, Ireland, Switzerland, Iceland, Netherlands,Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Finland , Belgium

have outperformed the bigger ones of UK, Italy, France and Germany with higher GDP per head ppp.

(I agree that all countries will be badly hit by this crisis big and small)
31

Alan B,

10/10/2008 17:35:41
sorry GDP per capita ppp
32

Nevsky,

Moscow 10/10/2008 19:18:44
Dude#

You are an embarassement full stop!
33

Finnzz,

10/10/2008 19:49:17
#33 Dude

Having lived in the Rep of Ireland for many years and working in Northern Ireland, I can honestly say that you are quite correct.
The Unionism mindset in NI is actually poisonous and exudes an air of violent intimidation.
By contrast, the South has very little internecine conflict. Orange marches there are family affairs with a carnival atmosphere for all.

Just another reason for Scottish independance. Time to ditch the artificial British label.
34

dude,

wishaw 10/10/2008 19:59:51
Finnzz

thank you

Nevsky another AM2, is it an embarassment to talk the truth, this is why we need independance to be rid of this union once and for all, are you tellin me that all orange bigots are not also unionists or am i missing something
35

donald,

glasgow 11/10/2008 06:57:53
Tom Tom. How well have the British Nationalist Government done?

How well is British Nationalist Jim Murphy doing - for himself?
36

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 11/10/2008 21:28:25
Everyone knows that Jim Murphy is just a Scotch minnion of the Union. Gordon Browns lapdog, embarassing really

 

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