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Published Date: 18 March 2008
FIONA Hyslop, the education secretary, is likely to push ahead with a planned trip to China, despite appeals for her to cancel in protest at the Chinese government's suppression of unrest in Tibet.
Ms Hyslop is due to travel to China next month to help foster better links with the Chinese ministry of education.

Tavish Scott, a senior Liberal Democrat MSP, yesterday urged her to reconsider in light of the situation in Tibet.

He said: "Th
ese are not normal times and normal plans cannot just go ahead.

"I urge Fiona Hyslop to make a stand and speak for those who cannot speak for themselves."

Mr Scott, the Lib Dems finance spokesman and Shetland MSP, added: "I have written to the education secretary appealing to her to abandon her visit until this crisis is resolved satisfactorily.

"It cannot be right for the international community to go as if nothing is happening.

"We cannot turn a blind eye while pro-democracy campaigners are being brutally attacked by government forces."

The recent trouble in Tibet began last Monday, coinciding with the 49th anniversary of the 1959 uprising against Chinese rule. Protests were initially led by Buddhist monks, but have since escalated to include large numbers of ordinary Tibetans.

Human rights watchers fear that the crackdown against protesters by security forces may become increasingly bloody.

The Tibetan government in exile said that 80 people were killed during days of violence in the capital Lhasa.

Champa Phunstok, Tibet's governor, said there were 13 civilian deaths on Friday – previously the official figure was ten.

Mr Scott last night described the reports of violence in Lhasa as "distressing".

And while ministerial visits to China have taken place regularly since 1999, Mr Scott said a trip was not "appropriate at this time given the actions of the Chinese government in Tibet".

He added: "Now is the time for every supporter of democracy to send a clear message to the government of China that this violence must stop and China must respect the rights of the people of Tibet to self-determination.

"Fiona Hyslop has the opportunity, on behalf of her government and the parliament of Scotland, to send a very clear message by postponing her visit."

Last night, a spokesman for Ms Hyslop said that the Scottish Government would listen to the views of the Tibetan government in exile before taking a final decision.

So far, the Tibetan authorities in exile have asked visitors to go to China but to raise human rights concerns when they get there.

The Scottish Government spokesman said this was the most likely course of action for Ms Hyslop.

He added: "The Scottish Government stresses human rights concerns in all meetings with the Chinese authorities, and intends to continue doing so in relation to (the education secretary's] engagements next month."





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  • Last Updated: 17 March 2008 11:00 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

britsout,

camelon 18/03/2008 00:32:06
i wouldnt go ,but then again i'm not a scottish government minister . in case its escaped anyones notice we cant boycott the games , we dont have a team . neither have the tibetans. think on
2

J J MAROONER,

18/03/2008 00:34:55
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Expand your thinking - neither do England, Wales or Northern Ireland.
3

Furchrissake,

18/03/2008 01:05:23
Hyslop should at least stand up for something, not least the principles we have come to expect from politicians. Enjoy your holiday, hen.
4

subrosa,

18/03/2008 01:25:31
If she's discussed it with the Tibetans and they want her to go then she should go.
5

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18/03/2008 03:08:00
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6

Guga II,

Rockall 18/03/2008 06:11:56
Boycott the Chinese Olympics, and boycott all Scottish government contact with the CPC and the PLA.
7

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 18/03/2008 07:42:51
It's less than a month since Gordon Brown was in Beijing. Unlike Blair, Sarkozy, Merkel, even the idiot Bush he said absolutely nothing on China's appalling human rights record or its continued suppression of Tibet.

In this case I believe that Fiona Hyslop should simply stay at home, if asked cite Tibet as the reason why tiny little Scotland doesn't want to engage with China at this point.
8

Roy,

18/03/2008 09:05:20
She should listen to the counsel of the Tibetan community - although it too might be divided by the role of such visits and whether they should take place.

Perhaps she should go to China on the basis that she also be allowed to include Lhasa in the itinerary and have free access to people and places while there.
9

Jambo Number 1,

18/03/2008 09:28:37
A minister (of any party - and I am staunchly and SNP supporter) - Cancel a business class junket to the other side of the world?

Not likley!
10

Linda,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 09:30:30
So far, the Tibetan authorities in exile have asked visitors to go to China but to raise human rights concerns when they get there.

The Scottish Government spokesman said this was the most likely course of action for Ms Hyslop.

11

bill-alba,

Fife 18/03/2008 10:04:30
It would work better if you all were to boycott "made in China" goods..but thats not going to happen.
12

Sgurr,

18/03/2008 10:08:02
You could see the Tibetan uprising coming a mile off. I hope they keep it up in the run up to the games - this is their only chance of breaking free/bringing it properly to the world's front room. I hope significant numbers boycott these games as a result and the IOC removes the games and holds them in Sydney instead.
Why are there no US/UK troops fighting a brutal, genocidal dictatorship in Tibet? Oh, I forgot...they don't have any oil.
13

Queen D,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 10:10:09
bill-alba , very difficult to do since just about everything is made there.
14

HEN BROON 5,

18/03/2008 10:21:07
The prime minister is refusing to meet the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of the Tibetan people, when he visits Britain in May, clearly concerned at the displeasure this would cause to the Chinese government and subsequent trade implications.

He is happy to condemn the governments of Burma and Zimbabwe, but remains silent on the appalling human rights record of china, specifically in Tibet. The Chinese government is subjugating the whole population of Tibet, and attempting to destroy the whole Tibetan culture.


In a year when China is hosting the Olympic games and doing all it can to present a clean image to the world, it is essential that this image is challenged and the real brutality of the China regime is exposed.

Please sign the online petition, it only takes a minute. 10000 signatures are needed for it to have any effect on the prime minister. At present there are about 5500.

Please pass this message on.

(The Canadian and Australian prime mimisters have agreed to meet the Dalai Lama in spite of the anger this will cause to the Chinese government).


On line petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DalaiLama/


To find out more about the situation in Tibet: www.freetibet.org
15

morris,

edinburgh 18/03/2008 10:22:23
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It seems to me that she could make a principled stand here and NOT GO, however, I accept that if the Tibetans would prefer she goes,and voices her disapproval,then this is what she should do,but FOR ONLY THAT REASON!
She should be vociferous in her condemnation of abuses of human rights which have gone on in China unchallenged for far too long as any failure to do so would be read as tantamount to approval.
Fortunately Fiona was never noted for her ability to remain silent for very long!I trust she will NOT be found wanting now.
If the Chinese government are made aware that visits from other governments are always subject to protests and the United Kingdom is not a totalitarian state(despite Gordon Brown s efforts to turn us toward becoming one soon)then they will be the beneficiary and hopefully the people of Tibet and China alike(and Tibet has never been Chinese territory by desire)and has a very rich and distinctive culture which has nothing to do with China.She is without question a separate identity ,and should be a separate nation, which is what every Tibetan desires.
The SNP before any other UK party (Apologies to Plaid Cymru)should not need reminding of this.

I have always said that Scotland should offer the hand of friendship to anyone who has the good sense to accept it.
Perhaps I should have said to anyone who deserves it?
16

subrosa,

18/03/2008 10:30:07
# 16 Hen Broon

The petition is closed :(
17

subrosa,

18/03/2008 10:32:46
# 17

Agree she should go if the Tibetans asked her to do so. Very much doubt if she will keep quiet - I'm sure she'll speak her mind as always. Funny feeling that the Chinese will 'bury' her visit though.
18

oder,

Scotland 18/03/2008 10:52:12
unfortunately the UK needs the trade with China more than China needs trade with the UK,it would be unwise for a Scottish minister to attempt to force anything on China, to put it bluntly we don't have the puff! the west sold out the Tibetans years ago when China invaded, we did nothing, since then the west has built a new relationship with China and a very economical one, that few politicians in the west will put in jeopardy, its a bit late in the day to suddenly find conscience over human rights,the best way to impress China on human rights is for the west to sort out all the other places for example Africa! then they might believe you are serious about human rights.
19

yolanda,

18/03/2008 12:01:47
If she goes (and it is debatable whether she should), she should go with a prepared speech of exactly what she should say, word for word, publicly and repeatedly, to condemn China's actions. If she's not going to do this, there's little point in her going. I'd also be interested to know exactly what the purpose of the visit is. As I am one of the many who is funding it, I'd like to know how our nation will benefit by her fostering links with the Chinese Ministry.
20

Neil,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 12:02:56
Lets urge her not to come back till Britain stops participating in genocide. Worst option - we would be rid of her.
21

Alberto.,

18/03/2008 12:32:58
I find it hard to believe that a 'Government Minister' can personally decide to go ahead with what seems a possible dangerous journey, and the final decision to 'Go' or Not go' - no matter the possible danger, cannot be over-ruled by someone else in Government!

Surely this ‘excursion’ must have been decided, and authorized by other persons besides the Minister, and in view of the possible dangers - expressed by many, should surely be referred back accordingly, if for no other reason than the ‘must have’ situation for ‘Political’ purposes - a record for ‘apportioning blame’ and any associated financial problems, especially if it goes ahead and - as they say, ends up ‘Pear Shaped’ and becomes disastrous in any measure!

The project should be cancelled forthwith, not only to protect taxpayers funds from possible enormous wasted expense, and also, goodness knows what additional expense could be incurred if any serious harm should befall the 'Minister' and / or any of the accompanying staff!

Allowing such a visit at a time that appears to have a very dangerous and delicate state of affairs prevailing - as seemingly expressed by many, should be 'over-ruled.’

However, if the Minister 'personally' insists on going - regardless, for whatever reason/s - with no doubt, a large entourage of accompanying staff (Air Miles from a journey of this distance, presumably quite substantial in number, and can be a very serious distraction from any danger - to some!) then the Minister, and all accompanying staff who have agreed to travel, after being enlightened of the situation, should sign an indemnity absolving the taxpayer - and the Scottish Government, from all blame and expense, but if they then choose to ‘opt’ out of the visit, be allowed to accordingly!

That may do the trick, where officialdom might fail!

If the ‘official’ decision, is 'Go', presumably informing the accompanying staff of the situation will not be overlooked - preferably in writing on ‘official h
22

Alberto.,

18/03/2008 12:38:24
#23 Cont'd......

If the official decision is ‘GO’, presumably informing the accompanying staff of the situation will not be overlooked - preferably in writing on ‘official headed notepaper’ for the benefit of all concerned - due to not knowing what the future may hold in such a situation!

It is quoted as a visit by the Education department so it may well be worth forgetting the three ‘R’s and replace them with three ‘W’s on this occasion - Be Warned, Be Wakey -Wakey, Be Wary! Oops! that’s four - maths gone astray again.

23

Neil,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 13:19:03
"possible danger" of the visit?

I think she will go by aircraft rather than camel caravan. They work quite well these days.

Also the chance of getting mugged in Beijing is considerably less than in Washington.
24

Guga II,

Rockall 18/03/2008 13:39:53
If anyone wants to check out the latest news on Tibet, try the following:

http://www.phayul.com/

http://www.tchrd.org

And if anyone seriously thinks that there is no outright brutality involved, check this out:

http://www.tchrd.org/press/2008/pr20080318c.html

Maybe Druginhead would care to comment on the above?
25

SidSnot,

18/03/2008 13:49:58
Will anyone notice if she's gone?

Even her boss was making her announcements today
26

Number 6,

Germany 18/03/2008 13:59:32
Of course she should go. If she wishes to express our concern , then so be it, this is afterall what the Tibetans advise. Typical of the Fib-Dems to be so off message and as for Maggie refusing to meet the Dali lama, nothing unusal there. Given China's reputation for corruption, Labour can hardly wait to start passing the envelopes, upsetting such a potential pot
of cash negates any human rights. I wonder if Wendy will denounce this disgusting behaviour from Brown ?
27

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 18/03/2008 14:52:18
#22 Don't say that.

I'll miss her sexy eyebrows if she goes.
28

Queen D,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 15:33:13
Since all our brightest young athletes are going to be in China this summer , I can't see any reason for her not to go, particularly as the Tibetan people here would like her to go.
In fact , not only will the athletes be there but I have no doubt they will be accompanied by a load of MPs and VIPs with wives/husbands in tow , paid for by the tax payer.
29

britsout,

camelon 18/03/2008 16:00:23
it pains me to agree with some but not all(obviously) of the above post by oder . the west should have intervened much earlier to restore tibet to the theocratic unreconstructed feudal nightmare that it much prefered to be . and would willingly return to . its mabye a quarter of a centuary since the dead kennedys wished us a holiday in cambodia . i would wish oder a holiday in consistency.
30

Resolutions,

18/03/2008 17:02:32
If the Tibetan people wish her to be go, I see no reason why she should not go.

It could be refreshing to see what Fiona spots when there and can relate to us back here. The fact is that there are dashed few folk who are there to tell us what they see- of any persuasion or of none.

And #31 surely the whole point is that the people of a country should be able to choose how they are ruled? If you disagree - tough.
But the Dalai Lama seems one of the most enlightened 'leaders' in the East- and a lot better informed that some of the comments here.
31

Biker,

Ayr 18/03/2008 17:14:54
Dont go Hyslop, the voters will remember.
32

Neil,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 18:11:36
32 When the Dalia Lama ran the place they still had serfdom in Tibet. He certainly gets a very good press here partly because he isn't communist but also of, since he doesn't actually rule anything people are able to project whatever they want onto him without experience intruding. Sort of like an oriental Obama.
33

Meta,

18/03/2008 19:12:15
Tavish Scott believes in the rights of the people of Tibet to self-determination.

Try saying that closer to home, Tavish, you hypocrite.

Get over there, Fiona, and tell them how we feel.
34

barbour,

vaasa 18/03/2008 19:17:53
Put into a well known phrase or saying:-
"Troughs noses pigs putting into MSP's again" Could be construed as a "Jolly" surely not,don't believe it, could happen with our squeaky clean regime.What happened to the MSP who was caught on the bed with two teenage(underage) girls,is he still with us?
35

John Blackley,

Florida 18/03/2008 19:57:17
I love the argument against Fiona Hyslop going. "It would give credibility"!

As if China or any major country doing business with China gives a tinker's what Scotland thinks of China.
36

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/03/2008 20:00:31
"Ms Hyslop is due to travel to China next month to help foster better links with the Chinese ministry of education."

Fiona Hyslop, what do you have in your heart?
Have you no human warmth, no understanding of what it is to yearn for freedom? Would you have liked Poland to have remained an enslaved country? And South Africa?

Does our government not understand that a people are struggling to be free, just as people struggled in Eire and South Africa, and are struggling in so many other countries? Does our government loathe freedom, does our government consider the brutal suppression of an entire nation to be praiseworthy? Does our government rejoice in the global rule of Little Hitlers, and takes pride in supporting them?

What kind of people are you, who can ignore the brutal suppression and suffering of an entire people for decade after decade after decade? Are you human?
37

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/03/2008 20:10:21
#37 John Blackley: Your argument amounts to this:
"No one else cares, so why should we give a damn either? Let's just be complicit in evil and make money." Dancing with devil, if you like.

Is that the AmerUSAn way?! I am Scots. I care. I really DO give a damn, no matter what others think, no matter or even especially because my country is so small. Much of what is wrong with the world is due to people who are apathetic because everyone else is apathetic. Do you not understand that the Tibetan people are trying desperately, desperately hard to have their voices heard and their rights recognised. Think of real people, real individual prisoners of conscience being beaten up for their belief in freedom. AmerUSAns always profess to be fighting for freedom, and they fought with a vengeance for freedom during World War 2. I still hold noble ideals, otherwise I wouldn't bother living. And I think most AmerUSAns, despite their cynicism, loathe the enemies of freedom just as much or even more.
38

oder,

Scotland 18/03/2008 20:56:07
39 Caora Dubh,Croit sheasgair 18

you said

Your argument amounts to this:
"No one else cares, so why should we give a damn either? Let's just be complicit in evil and make money." Dancing with devil, if you like.


yes unfortunately! that is the case, the west including the US are no position to do anything about Tibet, water under the bridge, yes the Tibetans should have there freedom, who can enforce it? and how would the Scottish education minister accomplish that? by refusing to go? not likely! the Chinese don't have to deal with the Scottish Parliament minister's fact that they are prepared to acknowledge and accept her as a representative from Scotland shows that they recognise that the Scots as a distinct people in their own right!
unless the west is willing to put all economic reasons aside and enforce freedom for Tibet, your indignation while admirable, is a lost cause! that is the reality of this situation!the Chinese have not offended the Scots it would be wise for Scots ministers in the interest of good relations not to offend the Chinese.
39

John Blackley,

Florida 18/03/2008 21:04:58
#39 Caora Dubh, thank you for your response to my comment.

While your response is filled with admirable sentiment it seems to focus on only one piece of the story in Tibet. I can suggest that you spend a little time acquainting yourself with the remainder. A good place to begin would be the Dalai Lama himself (see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3574672.ece - "The Dalai Lama hit back at Chinese leaders and Tibetan radicals today .........insisting that independence was “out of the question”, and urging his people to live “side by side” with the Chinese."

The most cursory study of Tibetan history - particularly in the the middle ages might also serve to inform your comments rather more than your admirable, though naive, sentiments do.

In closing, I would also advise you against assumption. Just because a person posts from the USA does not mean that he is a citizen of the USA.
40

donald,

glasgow 19/03/2008 08:21:50
J J MAROONER,
18/03/2008 00:34:55
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Expand your thinking - neither do England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Britain IS an English team.
41

morris,

edinburgh 19/03/2008 09:45:02
33 Biker,Ayr 18/03/2008 17:14:54

The Tibetans are wanting her to go.
That overides any other consideration.They feel that nothing can be achieved by her staying away,where at least a vist where concerns are voiced lets China's government know that we are watching and observing,and she cannot hide behind a curtain of secrecy.
The voters will remember? They will have to understand it first,and then maybe they will be capable of remembering.
If you mean they will remember she went to China,when the oppressed people of Tibet wish it so,then I agree.

The Lib Dems are against the visit,and I have no doubt the SNP would also do so,but when the people who matter here(The Tibetans) have made it clear THEY WANT HER TO GO AND GET STUCK INTO THEM(diplomatically of course)then clearly that is what she should do.
If any little Labour or Lib Dem insects wish to make political capital out of that,then it merely confirms how low they are.
42

morris,

edinburgh 19/03/2008 09:58:16
37
I agree that it will hardly bother the Chinese that a small nation like Scotland, herself being part of a larger multi national state,voices disaproval.We do not do so in isolation of course,and expect every nation visiting China to voice disaproval.Just because it is unlikely to achieve much in itself,and will be buried by the Chinese media,it does not mean that we should refrain from protest.That would be an insult to human rights everywhere.Perhaps the larger countries might want to get off their backsides and join in ?
Futility is what it is, but its still higher than zero!
Any protest from outside Tibet is encouraged,because any protest within carries very serious consequences indeed.
43

Tris,

19/03/2008 19:13:47

Why do we need better links with the Chinese education ministry?

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Lovepan,

England 19/03/2008 20:45:05
#20 - when the PLA invaded Tibet and Northern India in the 1950's the British government felt a duty to protect India's sovereignity.
The report stated that the only effect Britain could have on China would be a nuclear strike - an option which was quickly dismissed. Fortunately the PLA withdrew from India, but disputed land still remains in contention.

As for an education minister going to a country which deprives Tibetans of education resources and directs the charities such as VSO to Han-only institutions... terrible.

I used to work there and I've sene it with my own eyes - Tibetans are second-class citizens.

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20/03/2008 02:10:17
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Sean 007,

Linlithgow 02/04/2008 10:40:47
Ms Hyslop should go but only if she buys a one-way ticket!

 

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