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Published Date: 05 November 2009
SIR Christopher Kelly's recommendation that politicians should not be members of more than one UK parliament has reignited calls for Alex Salmond to give up his position as an MP.
The report said the practice of MPs sitting at Westminster as well as devolved institutions – known as "double-jobbing" – should come to an end.

Although primarily aimed at Northern Ireland politicians, several of whom sit in the Commons and at St
ormont, the recommendation, number 40 of the report, led to calls for the First Minister to re-examine his position.

"He is letting down both his Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland," Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said.

"Surely his job as First Minister of Scotland should take up all his time, energy and commitment. Likewise, any constituent should expect full commitment from their MP. He cannot fulfil both jobs properly."

The Kelly Report said double-jobbing should come to an end by the next devolved administration elections in 2011. Mr Salmond has already said he will stand down from Westminster at next year's General Election.

The First Minister's spokesman said: "The hypocrisy of Labour and the Tories is astonishing, given their MSPs who are seeking new dual mandate situations next year, without even bothering to ask their constituents in 2007."

The SNP pointed out that John Lamont, the Tory MSP for Roxburgh and Berwickshire, and Alex Johnstone, a Tory MSP for North East Scotland were standing for Westminster seats.

The Tories said both would quit Holyrood at "the first electoral opportunity if … elected to the British Parliament".





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  • Last Updated: 04 November 2009 9:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Cynicus Unbound,

04/11/2009 23:33:04
At last!

An article the Union's dynamic duo can comment upon.

It looked like a conspiracy by the Hootsmon, under cberNat pressure, to stifle free speech by Rufus and Smee.
2

Cynicus Unbound,

04/11/2009 23:38:54
"He is letting down both his Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland,"- Iain Gay

If that is is true of Eck then it was equally true of the late Donald Dither. Is that what Iain Gay believes? Is that the view of SLAB? What do CyberSLABers here think of their Holyrood leader's implied attack on The Faither of The Nation?
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/11/2009 00:24:47
Once upon a time there was an inflatable politician who went to an inflatable school with inflatable teachers and inflatable pupils. But one day he goes absolutely amok with a drawing pin and pops absolutely everything. The headteacher is displeased and calls him to his office and says -

- "You've let me down; you've let the school down, but worst of all, you've let yourself down."
4

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 05/11/2009 00:31:29
Thankyou Fifi for that little parable about Gordon
5

Brianwci,

05/11/2009 00:34:45
....has reignited calls for Alex Salmond to give up his position as an MP.


What is this man Peterkin on about?

For months now there has been an SNP candidate in place to take over from Salmond at the next Westminster election.

This has ALWAYS been Salmond's position.

But no, the British Nationalists have to bend the truth (as usual) and pretend that Salmond is being forced out of 'one of his jobs' by this new legislation.

And we wonder why youngsters are on a crime spree.

Britain is a broken society and Scottish Independence will help England and Wales as much as Scotland itself.
6

Fletty,

05/11/2009 00:47:58
Salmond seems to be coping ok with all these jobs.

It is Iain Grey that seems to be struggling with his one job.
7

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05/11/2009 01:07:02
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05/11/2009 01:08:24
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05/11/2009 01:49:21
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KampungHighlander,

05/11/2009 01:58:47
#7 Big Jack Sprat

"at least Gray provides the novelty factor in Holyrood"

I used to like Novelty Shops when I was a boy.

Particularly the Groucho Marx Glasses.

You know, the Plastic Glasses with fake moustache attached.

Perhaps if Mr. Gray started wearing those at FMQ he could create the impression we are laughing with him rather than at him.
11

Castaway™ ,

05/11/2009 03:08:36
"He (Alex Slamond) is letting down both his Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland," said Iain Gray,the leader of the Labour parliamentary group in the Scottish Parliament.

Iain did you say in July 2008 that "She (Margaret Curran) would be letting down both her Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland," after you heard this.......

Glasgow East by-election:Labour's Margaret Curran MSP yesterday insisted she can do two jobs-as both an MSP and an MP. Jul 7 2008

No you didn't, you kept quiet.
12

Baggy Troosers,

05/11/2009 03:32:32
The ever invisible Iain (fi were First Minister)Gray says " Likewise any Constituent should expect Full commitment from their mp ".

What a Dreary but laughable hypocrite this nonentity is.
Shall we ask the constituents in Glasgow North East their opinion.
13

Donkey Hote,

05/11/2009 06:17:10

There was an article yesterday on the SNPs Glasgow NE candidate being born in two places, or, was it in two bits?.
That is nothing, Salmond can be in Holyrood and in London claiming expenses at the same time.
Salmond has no decency, when people all over Scotland are losing their incomes, Salmond is maximising his multiple incomes at public expense. No decency!
14

Baggy Troosers,

05/11/2009 06:45:43
#3

Jackanory beckons.
15

Baggy Troosers,

05/11/2009 06:49:19
He's a cut above you Donkey.

Multiple incomes at public expense,eh ??
16

walter,

05/11/2009 06:57:04
I am not going to attack any individual or party on this.
My believe is that no one who is a member of one parliament should be able to stand as a candidate to become a member of the other.
Being PM or FM or holding a ministerial post is one thing but they should not be allowed to represent constituencies at both parliaments.
If they are members of one parliament and they wish to stand to become members of the other they should have to stand down from the first.
17

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

05/11/2009 07:03:52
Has Donald Dewar, former First Minister and MP been airbrushed out of Labour history?
18

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 07:05:50

Im still laughing at Wullie Bains performance on newsnight, what a complete plonker, as Del boy would say.
Hee heee heee.
Bwing it on man.
19

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 07:22:29
17
Mr Bully,

You're trying to compare Alex Salmond with Donald Dewar? Alex Salmond is no Donald Dewar.

But it is a slightly more realistic comparison than Mr MacAskill and Mathatma Ghandi!
20

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05/11/2009 07:25:28
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Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 07:30:04
" Alex Salmond is no Donald Dewar."

Absolutely correct. Salmond is hundred times the consummate politician that Saint Dewar of ignoble memory is. Salmond is a man of principle. Dewar was a tory in labour clothing and was at the forefront of the movement by which Labour abandoned its support and concern for ordinary folks and transformed itself into a wing of the Tory Party.
22

Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 07:32:04
Dewar, the man who opposed the sell-off of state assets whilst at the same time built up an impressive private portfolio of their shares. Typical Labour double standards.
23

brownlie,

05/11/2009 07:37:03
19 Grahamski,

Morning, sir, where are you today? I am surprised that there is no quote today from the ubiguitous senior Labour spokesperson, Lord Foulkes, over this issue of more than one job?
24

brownlie,

05/11/2009 07:39:26
23 brownlie

Brownlie, your spelling of "ubiquitous" is atrocious.
25

Aberdeenshire Creepy Scot,

05/11/2009 07:41:13
When Salmond becomes the United Nations secretarial general he will have 4 jobs. We nationalists think that realistically he could maybe take on another 2 jobs. X Factor judge or the marshmallow man in the stage version of Ghostbusters spring to mind.
26

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 07:43:02
"He is letting down both his Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland," Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said.

I dont think anyone cares what you utter Gray, you silly little labour man.
27

brownlie,

05/11/2009 07:45:41
26 Mc Mac

Gray speaks for Salmond's constituents? I wonder what evidence he's got for that remark?
28

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 07:51:31
Gray doesn't know what he,s saying half the time.
For proof view FMQ,s today.
Yer guaranteed that Gray will end up looking silly as per.
Labour really are struggling.
Glug glug.
29

brownlie,

05/11/2009 07:54:17
Where's Grahamski gone? No doubt the search and rescue team will be out looking for him again!
30

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 07:55:43
23

Good morning Mr Brownlie,

Today I will be in Glasgow NE. Why would you be surprised that Mr Foulkes has not commented on Mr Salmond's dereliction of duty? Mr Gray articulated Labour's concern over Mr Salmond's cavalier attitude perfectly well.

Oh, could you possibly have a word with your more feral fellow nats and ask them to tone down their filth? Don't want them shutting down the Scotsman boards too, eh?
31

Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 07:56:46
#29
He finds the truth that his Labour Party has now become just a section of the Tory Party unpalatable.
32

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 07:58:18
30
Grahamski,Falkirk,
For filth Google labour sleaze.
I dare you.
33

Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 07:58:30
Perhaps the cyberSLABs will tone down their filth today so we dont have these boards being shut down yet again with their obscene comments and downright lies.
34

BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/11/2009 07:58:43
Is it not amazing how all these "letdown folk" keep re electing him with large majorities.

Now what was Labour's vote there the last time?

Hmm
35

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:00:29
30 Grahamski,

I don't have any feral fellow nats but no doubt there are some wolves in sheep's clothing, Yeah?

I think what is "cavalier" is Gray pretending to speak for Salmond's constituents. I suspect they neither want it nor need it.
36

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:04:01
30 Grahamski,

Perhaps Iain Gray could go to Salmond's constituency and explain to them that NewLabour were so concerned about them that in talks on fisheries policy the Scottish "representative" was left in the corridor while the meeting took place.
37

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:07:46
35

Mr Brownlie,

"I suspect they neither want it nor need it."

Oh, I don't know, I'm sure the people of Banff and Buchan would quite like a MP who actually could be bothered to turn up and represent them in Westminster.

It's not ideal to have a dilettante as your MP - I'm sure it helps massage Mr Salmond's ego (and bank balance) but not much else....
38

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:10:35
36
Mr Brownlie,

I'm sure Mr Gray would be delighted to explain current fisheries policy to the people of Banff and Buchan. While he's there he could gently explain thet the cynical lies peddled to them by the SNP regarding an independent Scotland opting out of the CFP is just another SNP misrepresentation....
39

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:15:59
37 Grahamski,

Do you mean like Lord Martin who turned up at Westminster in a chaffeur driven limousine every day but did not have a constituency office in his constituency.
40

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:20:10
39

Mr Brownlie,

The crucial difference of course is that Mr Martin actually attended parliament...
41

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:20:14
38 Grahamski,

Gray would not know a wet fish even if he was slapped in the face with one. If only ....
42

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:21:32
41

arf arf arf

in the meantime, do you think those famously 'fair' Celtic fans will be able to behave themselves and stay silent on Sunday at Falkirk?

I hae ma doots....
43

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:23:15
40 Graham,

Ah, but the crucial question is did he attend on behalf of his constituents or on behalf of Michael Martin? He got a Lordship out of it and enormous expenses out of it but what did his constituents get? Poverty, deprivation and desolation, for starters.
44

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:24:53
42 Grahamski,

I'm sure that most of them will but when they go three down ...!!
45

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:24:55
43

Mr Brownlie,

"Poverty, deprivation and desolation"

Is this an entirely accurate description of Bishopbriggs?

Well, perhaps the desolation......
46

brownlie,

05/11/2009 08:27:48
45 Grahamski,

You are getting disorientated again. Bishopbriggs is where he has his mansion and the poverty is further south.
47

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:28:18
44

Mr Brownlie,

"I'm sure that most of them will but when they go three down"

My god you've started early!

Still, with Moutinho back who knows? Hat Trick Hero Pedro has a ring to it.....god, you've got me started now!
48

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:29:09
46
Mr Brownlie,

Glasgow NE takes in part of Bishopbriggs.
49

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05/11/2009 08:30:29
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Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 08:47:52
What about double jobbing by Lord Foulkes, Margaret Curran who is standing in Glasgow East at Westminster elections and Tory John Lamont?

Scottish Parliament should prevent MSPs from taking two salaries for House of Lords and Scottish Parliament.
51

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 08:52:07
Why no comments on Labours multi billion cuts in Scottish government expenditure?

52

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05/11/2009 08:55:24
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 08:56:52
Finally. An SNP article we're allowed to comment on.
But it's rubbish - a re-hash of old pash.
54

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:58:52
Linda,

50. If elected both candidates will stand down within twelcve months. Mr Salmond just kept troughing up that money.....

51. Comments have been curtailed because cybernats can't control themselves...
55

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 08:59:49
53

Morning Mr Meths,

"Finally. An SNP article we're allowed to comment on."

Well, you guys have only yourselves to blame....
56

Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 09:00:37
Is there any word on Comrade Devine's forthcoming legal case against Comrade Broon for booting him from his place at the trough??

It was reported that his lawyer was frothing at the mouth in anticipation at the prospects of the case!!

Is there any word on how our own working class champion, Comrade DavidMarshall, is getting on in these hard financial times on his meagre pension and his £750,000 stash??

Is he out canvassing for the Sleaze and Corruption Party in Glasgow??
57

John S,

05/11/2009 09:04:10
Members of the new Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly who also sit in Westminster will be able to draw two salaries, under plans which will infuriate English MPs.

The Government confirmed last night that the 21 politicians with a double mandate will be eligible for a third of their salary in Scotland or Wales, on top of the money they receive for their work in the House of Commons. They will also be allowed to claim two sets of office allowances and grants to pay for staff costs.

The decision is set to cost the tax payer up to pounds 3m in the remaining time before the next general election when the MPs who stood in Scotland and Wales are expected to stand down in Westminster.

There are 14 Westminster MPs elected to the Scottish Parliament and 7 to the Welsh Assembly: Independent 16 May 1999
58

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 09:06:31
54
I think you know fine well that Mr Salmond donates "that money" to charity.
Unlike the hypocritical Donald Dewar who grabbed all he could from the public purse.
59

Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 09:07:13
John S,

Can you enlighten me on which MSP's sit in Westminster as well as Holyrood??
60

Anna nexr door,

05/11/2009 09:07:23
54, Salmond is worth every penny.
61

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 09:10:31
58
Mr McMax,

I think you'll find that Mr Salmond keeps his entire Westminster salary. It is his reduced Holyrood salary that he was finally shamed into donating to charity.


Saint Alex, indeed...
62

Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 09:13:51
#61 Grahamski,

And how much of either salary did Donald Dewar donate to charity??

Or as the good socialist he claimed to be, did he decide charity begins at home??
63

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 09:21:21
61,
Aye and the parasite Donald Dewar was shamed to keeping his all to himself.
Tut ,tut.
Labour have no shame.
64

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 09:21:37
I'm sure the people of Banff and Buchan are delighted that from next year they will be represented by an MP who will be able to actually represent them.

Perhaps someone is able to provide data of exactly how much time the MP for Banff and Buchan spends actually representing his constituency and working on behalf of his constituents?

Perhaps someone could also provide date of the amount of time an average MP spends representing his constituency and compare the two?
65

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 09:24:48
64
Mr 1,

Mr Salmond's dereliction of duty highlights his contempt both for his constituents and democracy. A shameless demagogue, his departure from Westminster will be unnoticed and unmourned.

Indeed the only impact he made at Westminster was to win a prize from a reactionary tory publication. Oh and he cheated on his expenses....truly a giant amongst men arf arf arf
66

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 09:26:32
Oh here it is "Yeah"
Couple of hours of his ranting and the thread will be closed.
67

John S,

05/11/2009 09:33:33
#59 Jimmie the Pie my post #57 is from the Independent dated 16 May 1999.
The UK Government was formed by Labour Party at that time.

Is Iain Gray now saying his own party should have not passed into law the possible dual role of MSP and MP ?
68

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 09:34:33
#66

"Oh here it is "Yeah"
Couple of hours of his ranting and the thread will be closed."

When exactly have I ever 'ranted'?

The only ranting in connection with me is from those like you who cannot stomach my correct points and are unable to muster the intelligence to respond in a coherent manner to the questions I raise.
69

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 09:37:44
Grahamski

No SNP MPs has flipped his house at taxpayer's expense.

These care the real troughers who are making tens of thousands of pounds in addition to their expenses claims.

Why does Lord Foulkes still take two salaries?

On representing constituents, as you well know the vast bulk of MPs work is giving advise and acting as social workers rather than speaking at Westminster but can still ask written questions without being there. In fact post devolution what is the point of a Scottish MP?
70

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 09:41:45
#69

"In fact post devolution what is the point of a Scottish MP?"

So in other words you think Angus Robertson, Pete Wishart, Stewart Hosie and others are basically pointless?
71

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05/11/2009 09:43:59
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Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 09:46:09
#62
I think you'll find that in true two-faced Labour fashion, Dewar used his double salary to secretly build up his shares in the utility companies whose state sell-off he vigorously opposed in public.
Did the other "doublers" like (e.g.) McLeish donate any of their double salaries to charity? Thought not.
73

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 09:47:15
69

Linda,

"In fact post devolution what is the point of a Scottish MP?"

Scottish MPs are at Westminster to represent their constituents on reserved matters.


Except the MP for Banff and Buchan who just takes the money....
74

Jings MacCrivvens,

05/11/2009 09:48:36
#70
The cyberSLABs are hell-bent on getting these boards closed.
75

Mèths,

05/11/2009 09:50:19
Grahamski

"Well, you guys have only yourselves to blame...."

It was Yeah 1.
76

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 09:52:00
74 Not so the member from Banff is still performing his duties, you do know there is more to an MP than being voting fodder.

Also how do you square the circle i.e. Dewar and Wallace? Labour hypocrisy is thy name.
77

brownlie,

05/11/2009 09:53:12
74 Grahamski,

For some-one who has difficulty finding his way round the Glasgow NE constituency you certainly seem to know a lot about Salmond's constituency. Do you have any proof of your claims, from anyone in his constituency, that he just "takes the money" or are you just making it up in NewLabour fashion?
78

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 09:53:41
76

Mr Meths,

Yeah 1? What did he do?
79

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 09:54:48
78

Mr Brownlie,

As a tax payer Mr Salmond takes my money.
80

brownlie,

05/11/2009 10:01:40
66 Mr Max

Correct, a wolf in sheep's clothing - very toothless and tasteless, but a wolf nonetheless who is ashamed to admit his true political proclivities to avoid being ridiculed.
81

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:01:58
#76

"It was Yeah 1."

How on earth was it me? What exactly did I do to get any single thread closed?
82

Mèths,

05/11/2009 10:04:54
I was away for a few days and although I had access to a computer, I couldn't remember my passwords. Instead I read the threads. You managed to turn every article round to a SNP/BNP comparison. I know you kept saying they were poles apart, but at the same time you managed to get your usual digs in.

J'accuse.
83

brownlie,

05/11/2009 10:09:39
80 Grahamski,

Bloody hell, three jobs - he works for the Inland Revenue as well?
84

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:11:02
72
Yeah1.
Stop being so bleedin stupid.
If that is possible.
85

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:11:11
#77

"Not so the member from Banff is still performing his duties"

According to reports, MPs generally work between 60-70 hours a week, of which approximately half is spent doing constituency work.

If Alex Salmond is spending between 30-35 hours a week doing constituency work how on earth is he also finding time to work as the First Minister, the leader of the SNP, and the MSP for Gordon???

Anyone who thinks Salmond is 'fulfilling his duties' as a constituency MP, when he has far more pressing jobs to attend to, is clearly living in a dream world.
86

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:14:37
#85

"Stop being so bleedin stupid."

What exactly is stupid about standing up to, and publicly criticising, intolerant bigots such as 'Hen Broon Returns'?

I despise intolerance, bigotry and hatred and I will oppose it whenever I get the chance.

If you think doing so is 'stupid' then that really shows more than anything the type of person you are.
87

watcher,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 10:15:52
It would be a big benefit to Scotland if Salmond was to relocate over the boder and take Swinney with him. What a mess our finances are in with this pair.
Two dinners and his sidekick can take Sturgeon and her family as well.
88

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:16:23
80
Grahamski,
!Wrong again! as you well know Mr Salmond has not got the power to take tax payers money.
If you have a gripe take it up with the corrupt slime balls in your beloved westmidden house of sleaze.
Jeezus,they aint got a clue.
Just like Willie Bain.
89

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:17:19
87
Yeah1,
Yaaawwwwn.
90

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 10:20:22
What is that bloody smell!!

88 Was there a two for one deal on your neurone transplant
91

brownlie,

05/11/2009 10:20:54
87 Yeah1/Hey?etc etc

How strange that someone who despises intolerance, bigotry and hatred will consistently, instead of opposing, quote a person whose whole ethos is based on intolerance, bigotry and hatred.
92

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:25:11
#90

"Yaaawwwwn."

You really are a disgusting individual.

Firstly you find intolerance, bigotry, hate, racism and abuse acceptable - really not in keeping with the party you attach your support to.

Secondly, you described the father of the Scottish Parliament, the man who did more than anything to get devolution, and the man praised by Salmond on his death, as a 'parasite'.

The SNP are a tolerant, progressive, 'welcome all' party - they would not want the likes of you, a bigotry supporter who condones abuse and hatred, to attach themselves to the party.
93

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 10:26:53
Talking about thread censorship, I wouldn't post on a Labour blog asking them to explain how they intend to finance locking folk up for carrying a knife or there beloved GARL.

Did I miss Willie Bain on newsnight last night? I bet he was saying I am man of the people etc, labour have done so much for Glasgow NE etc.
94

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:28:56
#92

"How strange that someone who despises intolerance, bigotry and hatred will consistently, instead of opposing, quote a person whose whole ethos is based on intolerance, bigotry and hatred."

If you look back at virtually any article about the BNP on this site you will find comments from me utterly condemning them and their disgusting, odious ideals.

As I have consistently said, Griffin's views on race, the Holocaust, 'foreigners' etc are bigoted, disgusting and hate-filled.

I will oppose in the strongest form anyone who, like 'Hen Broon Returns', is intolerant or bigoted in any way.
95

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:31:48
Brownlie:

As someone who I'm sure opposes intolerance and bigotry I am sure you will join me in condemning the comments from 'Hen Broon Returns' at #70?

Comments in which he describes fellow Scots as 'quislings' and 'English lackeys'.

As the supporter of a tolerant, progressive, 'welcome all' party I assume you will agree that such comments are disgusting and not acceptable?
96

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:33:59
#89

"Wrong again! as you well know Mr Salmond has not got the power to take tax payers money."

Where do you think Salmond's MP salary comes from?

Do you imagine it magically appears out of thin air?

It is the TAX PAYER who pays Salmond's salary.
97

Adamant,

Glasgow 05/11/2009 10:37:29
Yeah1

You are wasting your time debating with Brownlie he may not be the sharpest tool in the box but he seems to have your mesure and floors you every time especally with your previous lies.
98

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 10:37:51
On the looming budget cut the only thing sharp about the laddie Purvis is the stripes on his suits.

Another one who setup a communications company to advise clients, I wonder if those clients were Libdem MSP's per chance.
99

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:38:23
93
Yeah1.

The father of the Scottish parliament.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Donald Dewar the selfseeking unionist who urged people not to buy shares in Rail Track whilst grabbing as many as he could(with tax payers money of course)
Dewar had £2 MILLION worth of the Rail Track shares that he was advising Joe public not to purchase.
Labour have no shame.
100

Mèths,

05/11/2009 10:39:32
"The Kelly Report said double-jobbing should come to an end by the next devolved administration elections in 2011."

"Mr Salmond has already said he will stand down"

So why is this news? Should an MSP also sit in the Lords?
How about MPs with outside interests?

101

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 10:41:14
103
Mr Meths,

What was that you were saying about Yeah 1 getting the boards shut?

Post 98: Read it and weep.....
102

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:41:37
97
Yeah1.
LOL.
YOU JUST DONT GET IT ,DO YOU?

LOL
103

brownlie,

05/11/2009 10:41:47
95 Yeah1

Quite right, pick and choose who you find intolerant and bigoted. Yes, that is precisely what I find strange - on the one hand you oppose such intolerance but use it when it's convenient for you.
104

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 10:44:02
102

Observer,

You don't agree with the language?

Do you agree with the sentiment?
105

brownlie,

05/11/2009 10:45:55
104 Grahamski,

Some people on this site are gullible enough to believe that if someone posts something controversial against either unionists or nationalist that they are genuine posts.

99 Adamant

A new name mysteriously appears!

May not be the sharpest but my spelling is reasonable.
106

morris,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 10:48:16
"He is letting down both his Westminster constituents and the people of Scotland," Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said.
If he is ,then his constituents have a funny way of showing it Ian!

That would not explain why they elected him twice and rejected your party, would it ?
Ian Gray is as usual desperate to make his mark, and so far has not made the grade, and him a former teacher too.
The simple fact is everybody knows who Salmond is and almost nobody knows who Ian Gray is.
107

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:49:33
#102

"But let's face it you don't see it too often do you? Most posters are reasonable. You consistently point to the exception rather than the rule."

I have always said such creatures only make up a very small minority of those who support the SNP.

As you say, the vast number of SNP-supporting posters are indeed reasonable.

However, there are posters on here who seem to be under the illusion that the SNP do not have any intolerant, bigoted supporters at all - 'Hen Broon Returns' is proof that they quite obviously do.

Whilst you state quite clearly that you do not agree with such intolerant, bigoted comments, there are also, unfortunately, a number of SNP posters on here, like 'Mc Max', who condone and support such abuse - almost as bad as making such comments themselves.
108

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 10:51:24
103 The Scotsman are trying to find any crumb of unionist comfort.
109

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 10:52:26
Grahamski..

"Scottish MPs are at Westminster to represent their constituents on reserved matters. Except the MP for Banff and Buchan who just takes the money...."

It would probably take under 1 hour a day to deal with constituents on "reserved matters" and that is why Scottish MPs should not have expensive constituency offices.

Also Yeah 1 as you well know Alex Salmond only takes one salary and like all other MPs has constituency staff to deal with constituent's problems on his behalf.
110

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 10:53:47
#106

"that is precisely what I find strange - on the one hand you oppose such intolerance but use it when it's convenient for you."

When have I ever 'used' any intolerant comments, quotes or views?

I note you have not yet responded to my plea in #96 for you to join me in condemning the intolerant and bigoted comments from 'Hen Broon Returns'

Do I take it therefore that you condone such comments?
111

morris,

edinburgh 05/11/2009 10:56:15
88 Our finances are a block grant form Westminster !

How we spend the money is Swinneys responsibility. I agree. How much we have is Westminsters responsibility.
If you are going to attack the SNP it looks better if you attack something which they are responsible for.
How the money has been spent in Scotland is welcomed by the Scots who record this with swings to the SNP in pretty much every result recorded for a few years now,something which the media and Labour can deny till the cows come home, but its still true!
112

Mc Max ,

05/11/2009 10:59:00
112
Yeah.
Boring stuff.
How do you do it?
Post for hours on end and say nothing?
113

Moravian,

05/11/2009 11:03:04
98

Does ALBA GU BRATH mean "I'm a sick ingwank ervpert" in Gaylick?










YFT


.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:04:12
115 Yeah1

No, I certainly do not condone any comments, whatever the source, that are bigoted or intolerant, never have, never will. Neither would I quote, and give credence to, the leader of a party who thrive on bigotry or intolerance.
115

Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 11:06:18
Grahamski,

I notice you have plenty to say as usual, but why are you unable to answer the question I posed to you at #62???

116

Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 11:08:26


I notice the unionists are out to destroy the threads again (#118).

Lose the argument, wreck the thread!!
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:09:48
#119

"No, I certainly do not condone any comments, whatever the source, that are bigoted or intolerant, never have, never will."

Excellent.

Then you will, I take it, state explicitly your condemnation of 'Hen Broon Returns' comments in #70?
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:10:49
#121

"I notice the unionists are out to destroy the threads again"

I presume you missed the comments from an apparent SNP supporter at #70 and #98 then?
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 11:13:23
123 Yeah,

No I didn't miss them.

I've seen too many fake monikers on these boards to believe they are what they claim to be.

121

brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:18:02
122 Yeah1

For goodness sake, what part of "I CERTAINLY DO NOT CONDONE ANY COMMENT, WHATEVER THE SOURCE, THAT ARE BIGOTED OR INTOLERANT, NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL" do you not understand?

In your search for such comments by supposed "nationalists" do you ever come across comments of that nature from so-called "unionists" and then call for other unionists to condemn their remarks.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:18:24
#125

"I've seen too many fake monikers on these boards to believe they are what they claim to be."

Aaahh I see. So when its a 'unionist' making such comments it is of course a real unionist, but when its an 'SNP supporter' it is someone with a fake moniker.

Yes because the SNP don't have any intolerant bigots who associate themselves with the party do they - so anyone making such comments couldn't possibly be real....
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 11:18:51
123 Yeah1

"I presume you missed the comments from an apparent SNP supporter at #70 and #98 then?"

When a poster appears with all the necessary bile and invective to support your contention about the SNP's underbelly, it does seem just a tad too convenient.
So the question is how authentic are posters such as the two you have quoted.

Can you provide evidence that these posters are genuine SNP supporters ?
There are such things as fifth columnists, agents provocateurs, or is that not allowed to enter your questioning mind as it would suggest Unionist dirty tricks.

We are dealing with a Brit Nat State prepared to do whatever is necessary to keep the Union intact, so placing one or two plants on a site like this is not such a far fetched idea.

No more so than the idea of Scottish Nationalists suddenly abandoning their beliefs in Scottish independence and embracing something that they have stood so firmly against, a British Party, and a fascist one to boot.
124

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 11:18:54
The Scotsman have been kind enough to let Willie Bain have a wee thread on the Steamie oh bless.

Still waiting for ahem a "Scottish" media person to ask him those obvious questions about what he is saying so far so much labour tumbleweed.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:20:51
#126

"For goodness sake, what part of "I CERTAINLY DO NOT CONDONE ANY COMMENT, WHATEVER THE SOURCE, THAT ARE BIGOTED OR INTOLERANT, NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL" do you not understand?"

That doesn't answer my plea.

You have no explicitly condemned Hen Broon's comments - do you believe that his comments are bigoted and intolerant?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 11:27:27
Speaking of tumbleweed @130.

What is that bloody smell!
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:27:56
130 Yeah1

I will type this slowly so that you can understand it. When I say "any" which I have now done twice, that "any" which, if my command of the English language is correct, means "all" must include that comment from the pseudo Hen Broon. Is that clear or would you prefer it in Gaelic?
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 11:28:37
Yeah 1 (back on his mission)

How about post 118? Typical unionist or not?
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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 11:29:48
What about MPs who are treble-jobbing and quadruple jobbing etc by sitting on the boards of private companies etc, earning fortunes. And how mch time do they spend doing this and are they bunking off thier duties at the Commons to do this? I think we shouls be told.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 11:30:31
Yeah 1

How about 132? Is that typical? Look. There are nutjobs from all political parties. So what?
132

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:30:39
#128

"We are dealing with a Brit Nat State prepared to do whatever is necessary to keep the Union intact, so placing one or two plants on a site like this is not such a far fetched idea."

You have clearly been watching far too many conspiracy theory films.

Are you seriously suggesting that the 'Brit Nat State', with all the other things it has to do, would bother spending time placing 'plants' on the Scotsman website pretending to be bigoted SNP supporters??!

Are you really being serious??

I suppose you also believe there are aliens in Area 51, that Elvis is still alive and that JFK was murdered by the CIA?
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 11:30:59
#130, Yeah 1.

AM2, why have you returned to commenting under another moniker?

Your previous attempts at turning every thread into proving the SNP racists only brought ridicule upon you. You really are a silly person.

As to Hen Broon Returns, his/her comments are abhorent to any decent thinking person, and your spin on them is equally so.
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 11:33:52
132, Sideshow,

Where did you get "the "duel mandate" system was set up to accommodate MP's who wished to enter the SP when it was first set up"???

Can you show where this was ever stated??? or is it just a product of your fertile imagination.

I hope you don't mind but I've corrected your spelling mistake!!

And how much did Donald Dewar hand over of his 2 salaries to charity???

Grahamski doesn't want to answer that. I wonder why???

Which party refuses to vote on English only matters at Westminster???

135

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 11:34:41
brownlie, meths, Yeah1 is the fakie Conan the librarian(small l)
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:36:20
#136

"Look. There are nutjobs from all political parties"

Yes I know there are - I have made that point several times.

There are intolerants and bigots who associate themselves with every party.

Unfortunately a number of posters on here, such as 'European Scot' and 'Jimmie Le Pie' such completely unable to accept that the SNP too has such people associating themselves with it.

They blame such comments on 'fake monikers' and, ridiculously, 'plants' from the 'Brit Nat State'!
137

brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:36:51
140 Conan the Librarian,

Hi, Conan, well, he has "previous" as we say in the Bill.
138

Mèths,

05/11/2009 11:36:59
140

Explain please.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:39:07
#138

"AM2, why have you returned to commenting under another moniker?"

I am not, and never have been, AM2.

"As to Hen Broon Returns, his/her comments are abhorent to any decent thinking person, and your spin on them is equally so."

So you agree that his comments are intolerant and bigoted, but you disagree with me criticising his comments? Very strange.

What 'spin' exactly am I supposedly putting on his comments?
140

brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:39:14
140 Conan the Librarian,

The British state, also, has "previous" in chicanery.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 11:39:43
This was not an issue when Donald Dewar and Jim Wallace were both MP / MSP's until the subsequent UK GE.

Alex Salmond will also step down at the next UK GE. Kelly's report will not affect him still it gives the Scotsman and unionists another go at Alex Salmond.

Any crumb of comfort is life force to unionist brethern.
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Seannair,

05/11/2009 11:39:54
Grahamski is the Labour member who cannot accept that Glasgow North East is a grim monument to the failure on the part of New Labour, Old Labour and Martin family nepotism of which Willie Bain is merely the latest embodiment.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 11:43:40
146 Tormod

How many "jobs" does the Leader of the Labour party hold? How much of his salaries does he give to charity? How many times does he visit his constituency? How often does he hold "surgeries" in his constituency? etc. etc.
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 11:47:11
137 Yeah1

"You have clearly been watching far too many conspiracy theory films."

No unlike you I don't get influenced by fiction.
Having spent many years living in this the 'UK', and witnessed countless cover ups, and conspiracies carried out by assorted governments over that time, I have no problem accepting the idea that our masters would place 'identities' on sites such as this if it was deemed to be useful.

The Brit.-State has become ever more aware of the effect that the internet has had on countering its propaganda, and there are doubtless many people devoted full time trying to neutralise it in different areas.
If you don't believe such things are happening then you are clearly naive.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 11:48:29
#144, Yeah 1/AM2.

My apologies for being so hard on you as you have just awakened me to your lack of reading ability.

I promise, in future, to make allowances for your lack of comprehension.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:48:44
#148

"How many "jobs" does the Leader of the Labour party hold? How much of his salaries does he give to charity? How many times does he visit his constituency? How often does he hold "surgeries" in his constituency?"

I very much doubt Gordon Brown spends much time at all dealing with constituency matters, and holding surgeries etc.

Both he and Salmond obviously have far more important and pressing jobs to attend to.

Anyone who believes that either Brown or Salmond in any way represents their constituencies to the same extent as most other MPs is clearly deluded.
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The Master,

05/11/2009 11:50:41
#73 Jings: " I think you'll find that in true two-faced Labour fashion, Dewar used his double salary to secretly build up his shares in the utility companies whose state sell-off he vigorously opposed in public."

Either that, or the shares in question were acquired on his behalf by a "blind trust" over which he had no control. People like you really should refrain from subjects you obviously know very little about (although this is par for the course for Nats).
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 11:51:26
#149, European Scot.

Are you being intollerant of Yeah 1's naivety?
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:51:44
#150

"My apologies for being so hard on you as you have just awakened me to your lack of reading ability."

You have the audacity to criticise my reading ability??

Considering you appear to be still labouring under the illusion that I am, or was, AM2, you clearly were unable to comprehend or understand my clear statement in which I said "I am not, and never have been, AM2".

Now I will ask again - what 'spin' exactly did I put on the intolerant bigoted comments from 'Hen Broon'?
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 11:53:27
Off for FMQ - this should be fun ....
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 11:55:01
#152, The Master.

They may have been bought through a blind trust, but the sainted Donald could have stipulated that no privatised shares should be bought.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 11:57:00
148 Indeed Brownlie, I've posted lots of questions on various Labour blogs, no answers on various questions.

Aspiration is a dirty word in Labour, did you get the automated email from No. 10?

Nice reply from Gordon, still in full bunker mode, the PM is completely focused etc etc.
153

frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 11:57:06
#154, Yeah 1/AM2.

Are you being intollerant of my audacity?????????????
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The Master,

05/11/2009 11:57:50
#156 McBride: hindsight is 20-20 vision.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 11:57:54
Donald Dewar's £2m legacy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1416643.stm
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 11:58:52
#149

" I have no problem accepting the idea that our masters would place 'identities' on sites such as this if it was deemed to be useful."

I think in future anything you say will have to be taken with a huge pinch and salt, and any dubious comments you make will have to be excused due to the clearly deluded and warped state that your mind is in.

Anyone who seriously believes that there are people working 'full time' for the 'Brit Nat State' posing as rabid, intolerant SNP supporters on the Scotsman website clearly has very serious issues, and obviously considerable difficulty being able to separate the fantasy within their heads from the reality of the real world.
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 12:00:22
153 frank mcbride

"Are you being intollerant of Yeah 1's naivety?"

If it's one thing I won't tolerate it's intolerance ! !
Well, that and blind unquestioning naivety !
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:00:32
#158

"Are you being intollerant of my audacity?????????????"

No but I am certainly intolerant of your lack of spelling ability.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:02:51
#158

And now, for the third time, I will ask:

"what 'spin' exactly did I put on the intolerant bigoted comments from 'Hen Broon'?"

If you fail to answer my question I will take it as an acceptance that your accusation was incorrect, and an apology of sorts for your behaviour.
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 12:08:16
161 Yeah1

"I think in future anything you say will have to be taken with a huge pinch and salt, and any dubious comments you make will have to be excused due to the clearly deluded and warped state that your mind is in."

The 'flattering' description above actually fits you far better.

I spent 25 years working in Television news, so I don't deal in fantasies.
There are plenty of examples of the Brit State 'keeping an eye', the problem is people like you walk around with yours shut.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 12:13:30
166 Remind me again about Mr Boom and Mrs Bust??
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The Master,

05/11/2009 12:14:07
#137 Yeah: " I suppose you also believe there are aliens in Area 51, that Elvis is still alive and that JFK was murdered by the CIA?"

Don't mention that McCrone Report thingy for goodness sake! That is the Nats' answer to the DaVinci Code methinks!
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 12:15:17
#164, Yeah1/AM2.

Your spin is refered to in my second sentence of my original post. Perhaps that sentence does not appear on your computer.

Your AM2ish obsession with classifying the SNP as racist.
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05/11/2009 12:16:44
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05/11/2009 12:18:39
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Mssy G,

05/11/2009 12:21:18
Alex Salmond having two jobs is a sure sign of his popularity in Scotland.


If he was not good at his job and well liked then The People of Scotland would not have voted for him to be a MP and a MSP.


It was very good of the Scotsman to highlight his Scottish popularity!!!

I don't think Gordon Brown is quite so popular in Scotland that he would be elected for two jobs in Scotland!


Our First Minister has already announced he will be standing down,and the Scotsman points this out in another article published today, titled MPs secretly lobby for pay rise"

One point the article has failed to mention is that Alex Salmond donates every penny of his MSP salary to a Scottish charity.


A very kind and humble man!

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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 12:23:46
#171 "jocko's"

You odious wee git.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 12:24:37
164 Yeah1

What spin did you put on "Hen Broon's" comments?

Well, you highlighted it as evidence of bigotry and intolerance that attachs itself to the SNP.

You have not done the same regarding posts by so-called "unionists" as evidence of bigotry and intolerance that attachs itself to unionist parties.

Hence, probably, the accusation of spin.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 12:26:41
168 The Master

"methinks" - I don't think so.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:27:06
#173

"The People of Scotland would not have voted for him to be a MP and a MSP."

The 'people of Scotland' didn't vote for him to hold either position.

It was the people of Banff and Buchan who voted for him to be MP (19,044 of them - approx 0.38% of the Scottish population) and the people of Gordon who voted for him to be MSP (14,650 of them - approx 0.29% of the Scottish population).
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:29:24
Slideshow Bob

"136.shut it meths,you don't live in the UK anymore,you don't care if independance (sic) happens,you won't be affected by the economic iliteracy (sic) of salmond,swinney and co"

Erm ... I pay UK taxes and have property in the UK. I also have a vote there. Next question caller?
174

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

05/11/2009 12:29:35
174 Sideshow Bob

What’s a duel mandate?

Pistols at dawn?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 12:29:44
There is a awful smell of troll sh0ite on this thread.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:31:06
Sideshow Bob and another spelling salad.

Is "duel mandate" when you have a fight?
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:32:49
#169 Vista,

Must be today's outstanding posting!!!

Did you do it all by yourself or did you get assistance??
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:33:48
Sideshow,

Your post are interesting to say the least?

Bet you wish you'd stuck in at school??
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 12:35:27
173 Mssy G

It has come to light that the people of Banff and Buchan and Gordon are not people of Scotland. That should surprise them.
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WeeGirlie,

05/11/2009 12:35:43
More fool the people of Banff and Buchan. How many times has he voted in the House of Commons?

I'll bet it hasn't curtailed his expenses claims....
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:36:32
#176

"Well, you highlighted it as evidence of bigotry and intolerance that attachs itself to the SNP. You have not done the same regarding posts by so-called "unionists" as evidence of bigotry and intolerance that attachs itself to unionist parties."

I have consistently said, as I did at #141, that:

"There are intolerants and bigots who associate themselves with every party."

The difference is that, as far as I am aware, there aren't unionist posters on here denying that their party has any intolerant bigots whatsoever, and pretending that any such people are 'fakes' or 'plants'.

Some SNP posters appear to be under the delusion that their party and its supporters are all 'pure' and perfect in every way.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:39:43
#181

"There is a awful smell of troll sh0ite on this thread."

Still going on about trolls are you? After your little story yesterday about a troll living in a cave?

I'm getting worried about your apparent obsession with trolls. They aren't real. They are mythical beings.

You really need to ask your mummy to stop reading you so many fairy tales - or at least to point out that most of creatures within them aren't real.
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:40:35
With all this talk of faking and misinformation could somebody remind me who Damien McBride was working for and what his claim to infamy was???
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:43:11
And for the prize for the use of fake information, the winner by a clear mile, is Comrade Blair and his "WMD's in 45 minutes" speech to the Commons.

Which party was he leader of again???
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 12:43:31
#188, Yeah1/AM2.

You are a planter of veiled smears under the guise of outrage. A tactic that has ill-served you in the past.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:43:41
190 Sideboard Bob

Jockos is a plural word and doesn't need an apostrophe.
Junkys should be junkies.
Independance should be independence.
Sponge OFF not sponge of.

Were your parents siblings?
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:44:29
Sidebaord Bob

Nat's is also plural. It too doesn't have an apostrophe.
Are you kimba in disguise?
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:45:05
Sideshow,

What about you attending spelling classes???

Are there no adult learning classes where you live??

You need to start right away.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:45:28
Oops ... Sideboard not sidebaord. I've caught the Sideshow virus.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:45:40
200?
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 12:46:35
188 Yeah1

"Some SNP posters appear to be under the delusion that their party and its supporters are all "pure" and perfect in every way".

Can you identify their monikers and posts because I'd be very interested?

As for your points regarding "fakes" or "plants" - "fakes" have been identified on the Scotsman site before as using multiple identities - for example, "Highland Mighty" as "British Pride", "Rufus" as identities too numerous to mention, "Smee" ditto, and "Yeah1" as "Hey". There are many more but the ones mentioned have been identified.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:48:00
#193

"You started this with your persistent attempts to claim that SNP supporters were more likely to vote for the fascists than Labour or Tory ones."

That wasn't my claim, it was Nick Griffin's.

I merely stated that some SNP supporters had probably deserted the party for the BNP, I never said they were more likely to do than any other party.

"Now - we have all said very clearly that posts such as 98 are wrong. 98 has been repudiated. So what is your remaining issue?"

My remaining issue is that no, you have not all said that.

Posters such as 'European Scot' and 'Jimmy Le Pie' appear to be under the illusion that that poster, and any others SNP 'supporters' spouting intolerant bilge are either 'fakes' or 'plants' by the 'Brit Nat State'.
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 12:48:45
199 Meths,

It's ok. Even if he noticed he wouldn't understand!!
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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 12:48:48
Yes - Sideshow Bob displays all the signs of a superior English 'educashun'

Twattt.
197

Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 12:49:05
201

Mr Brownlie,

Just as a matter of interest, can a faker be faked? What's the difference between a faker and a poster who adopts multiple personalities?
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05/11/2009 12:49:15
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

05/11/2009 12:49:46
90 Sideshow Bob

Did you really mean “subsidy junkies” and “independence”?

Where exactly did you go to school?
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WeeGirlie,

05/11/2009 12:50:03
It's interesting to see the void in constructive replies to Sideshow Bob 2.

Closer inspection shows they are almost exclusively (if not completely) from SNP supporters. This speaks volumes.

I tried that once and noticing the error of my ways, apologised. For my sins I now have a stalker.

But when I go to work of a morning, I am happy in the knowledge that the drooling teenager encamped outside my house will ensure my house won't be burgled in my absence.

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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 12:50:49
#201

"Can you identify their monikers and posts because I'd be very interested?"

Jimmy Le Pie - who appears to think all intolerant bigoted SNP supporters are 'fakes'

European Scot - who appears to think all such people are 'plants' by the 'Brit Nat State'
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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 12:51:00
#196 Meths.

Liked the last bit but it will be wasted on the Sideshow idiot. Pity.
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05/11/2009 12:51:37
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WeeGirlie,

05/11/2009 12:52:10
People who are abusive to others should be banned for good.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:53:42
WeeGirlie

"It's interesting to see the void in constructive replies to Sideshow Bob 2."

A reply is impossible as the post was junk. It was a grammar car crash.

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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 12:54:36
205
When one or more of his/it's monikers are copies of someone elses, like Yeah1 posting as Conan the libriarian(small l)
I quite liked Conan the Libertarian though.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:54:54
212

Cue the theme tune from Deliverance.
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WeeGirlie,

05/11/2009 12:56:07
-194

Salmond's speech calling Nato intervention in Kosov in the late 90's was "unpardonable folly" is another classic.

Thankfully, others disagreed. Which is why the Kosovans unveiled a 10ft tall statue to commemmorate Clinton, and not a 10ft wide statue to Salmond.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:56:15
WeeGirlie

"People who are abusive to others should be banned for good."

Agreed ... but if the poster being responded to starts the abuse, then I reckon anything goes (within reason).
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:56:43
217 Rufus

Pathetic.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 12:57:41
215

Mr the Librarian,

Thank you for your clarification.

"I quite liked Conan the Libertarian though."

Could I humbly suggest that Conan the Contrarion is rather more apt?
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 12:58:43
210 Yeah1

What, all two of them. Perhaps, like me, they are suspicious of fakers who use multiple identities.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 12:58:51
Slipshod Bob

"you don't hear me saying things about your's"

That's because I don't have audio enabled on the Scotsman site.

(btw - a very masterful set of posts there!)

;-)
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WeeGirlie,

05/11/2009 12:59:35
-214

There WAS a reply - unfortunately it wasn't very constructive.

They did help clear up a number of questions on the proper use of English, even if they didn't answer the points raised.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 12:59:58
219

Mr Meths,

Cue the tune 'Old Ned'

Lighten up....
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:00:32
220
I've been called worse ;¬)
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 13:01:20
#205

"Just as a matter of interest, can a faker be faked? What's the difference between a faker and a poster who adopts multiple personalities?"

Quite right. Brownlie seems to be under the illusion that a poster who uses one or more monikers is the same thing as a poster who deliberately pretends to be an SNP supporter in order to post intolerant bigoted remarks.
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05/11/2009 13:02:22
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:03:01
205 Grahamski,

Yes, old mate, I think all the fakers should get faked. The only reason in having multiple identities must be to deceive. I've seen in the past, as I'm sure you have, individuals posting something controversial and then adopting another identity to criticise the original controversial remark or individuals using multiple identities to congratulate themselves on a brilliant post - how sad is that?
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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 13:04:10
#190 Sideshow Nob.

Another thing, why is it all you people who accuse Scotland of being subsidy junkies complain about independence? If we were the burden you say we are, you would surely be glad of independence. Why wouldn't you? So give us your reasons for calling us junkies (provide facts and figures) and the reason why you don't want us to take our independence if we are such a burden. One seems to conflict with the other so explain to us.

I assume you are able to read and understand the question of course (a tall order by the looks of it I know).
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:05:27
228
What a great post brownlie...heehee
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 13:05:58
228

Mr Brownlie,

Very sad.
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Jo Public,

05/11/2009 13:08:07
#227.

Spelling lesson number 12.

"now youre saying i right good posts lol" should read "Now you're saying I write good posts. Lol"

Dear oh dear.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 13:08:40
Christ it's getting busy.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 13:08:51
Mr Grahamski

"Lighten up...."

Your wish is my command.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 13:08:58
#215

"When one or more of his/it's monikers are copies of someone elses, like Yeah1 posting as Conan the libriarian"

I have never ever posted as Conan the librarian or Conan the anything thing.

If you have proof of me doing so please provide it?

Otherwise I await an apology.

You seem to be under the illusion that you are somehow a significant or important poster if you think I have gone to the effort of pretending to be you.

I have barely ever even spoken to you on here, so why on earth would I bother pretending to be you?

You appear to have a very inflated ego and sense of your own worth (a bit like the leader of the SNP infact).
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:09:01
230 Conan

You rat!!!

How does Grahamski know you're a Mr - the beard's obviously fooled him.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:11:43
235
"I have barely ever even spoken to you on here, so why on earth would I bother pretending to be you?"

You tell me.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:11:49
226 Yeah1

"Brownlie seems under the illusion ...." No illusion, chum, but Brownlie can never work out why an individual should post on the same topic, on the same thread, under two, or more, different names. Perhaps you can explain?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 13:12:34
236

Mr Brownlie,

"How does Grahamski know you're a Mr..."

Like a woman would waste her time with this....

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05/11/2009 13:12:57
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:13:53
237 Conan the Librarian,

Very significant and important post, Conan, well done!
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:15:13
239 Grahamski,

Come on, you love it, or so I've heard .....
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 13:15:41
#235, Yeah1/AM2.

An apologist awaiting an apology! How bizarre!!!
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05/11/2009 13:16:04
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:18:18
240 Sideshow Bob

So Yeah1 is your son - explains a lot, I suppose.

Can I wish you the very best in your efforts as an English Democrat and I hope you are successful in your aspirations.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:19:23
#240 Sideshow you are kimba and I claim my five pounds
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:21:26
245
kimba's a mum? A single parent I take it.
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05/11/2009 13:21:41
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 13:24:14
Fantastic, I've started a franchise busines....
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mark mccann,

05/11/2009 13:24:47
"Scotland faces biggest budget squeeze since devolution"
The headlines scream. Yet billions of pounds flow through our refineries to westminster.

And suddenly we can't comment on Maddox's latest, unbelievable article.

Come on Scotland, let's rise and be a nation again.

Vote SNP, let's rid ourselves of these lieing, robbing unionists once and for all.

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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:25:36
245
If kimba's a single mum, I've just realised what that makes Yeah1.
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Adamant,

05/11/2009 13:26:11
This is an interesting debtate but nothing to do with the artickle. Mr Brownlie sorry for my earlier remark. I meant no offense.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:32:30
249 Grahamski,

Great, you'll soon be a big wheel in Falkirk!
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:33:57
#253 Well he does go round in circles right enough.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 13:34:21
250

Mr MacCann,

Just to save you further embarrassment: according to recent GERS figures prepared by the SNP-controlled executive, Scotland is not in surplus at the moment. The billions you imagine flowing out of Scotland are actually flowing in.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 13:39:59
#243

"An apologist awaiting an apology! How bizarre!!!"

No more bizarre than a person who can't read accusing others of lacking reading ability.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 13:40:02
252 Adamant

Sorry, I've just read your post. I suppose I'll get over it but it might take some time .....
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 13:41:49
#238

"No illusion, chum, but Brownlie can never work out why an individual should post on the same topic"

I always find people who refer to themselves in the third person distinctly odd.
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05/11/2009 13:41:58
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Frank Spencer and Betty,

05/11/2009 13:44:31
#240 Sideshow Bob

Why do you need another layer of parliament? What a waste of money!

The Scottish MP's at Westminster are already getting paid to do absolutely nothing but interfere in English matters. Scotland does not need these MP's at Westminster so why would England need another parliament to create another tier of unemployed MPs in a UK parliament. There is no need for a UK Westminster parliament any more, Scotland does not need three parliaments to run it and neither does England. Too many politicians and too many parliaments, Bye Bye UK Wetminster parliament you are not required as you are a waste of money! www.paisleyexpressions.blogspot.com
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 13:45:12
#237

"You tell me."

Stunning response...

I shall take your complete lack of evidence to back up your accusation as proof that it is a lie.

Perhaps you are making up instances of people apparently pretending to be you in order to boost your own self worth?

Perhaps you think pretending that other posters have gone to the effort of posing as fake copies of you will somehow make you appear significant and important?

Utterly pathetic...
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 13:46:35
"Common I'm waiting"?

Who are you calling common?
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 13:47:32
Yeah 1/AM2/Highland Mighty/ etc etc etc

Can it be true?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

05/11/2009 13:47:54
259 Sideshow Bob 2

Too easy.

Canny be bothered with your drivel.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:48:44
259
We Nats call the union, well, the union.What do the English Democrats call it?
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:50:14
#259 'Common, I'm waiting' indeed you are, kimba, indeed you are.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 13:53:11
Mr Meths,

As the self-appointed apostrophe police officer on these boards would you have a kindly word with the poster at 260 please?

Scottish MP's.

Shurely shome mishtake......
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mark mccann,

05/11/2009 13:55:20
Grahamski.
SIGH! Not that old lie again.

The GERS figures use a per capita share of the oil revenues, that gives us 5%. The correct and legally and internationally recognised equation is GEOGRAPHIC, which gives us 90-95% of the revenues, usuing the correct equation gives us an "embarrassing" surplus.

Get your facts right Grahamski, don't keep using the same old propaganda generated by the unionist media and politicians.
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05/11/2009 13:55:25
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 13:57:48
261
There you go jumping to conclusions again.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 13:58:51
#269 Jeez its like taking candy from a baby
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 14:00:33
Good to see you back Grahamski,

Any answer to the question at #62??
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 14:05:31
258 Yeah1

You find me, Brownlie, "distinctly odd"? That's twice I've been insulted today. Woe is me!! I find that individuals who use an Americanism as a moniker "distinctly odd", so there! I don't actually, I just made that up.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:05:46
260

Consider yourself taken to task. MPs please.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 14:06:11
272

Mr the Pie,

Mr Dewar was a very generous man and supported many charities. Like most decent people he decided against using his charitable gifts and work to score cheap party political points....
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:07:32
"noones ever uses it to refer to scotland "

Ah yes - the Noones. One of Herman's Hermits was Peter Noone. Is that what you're getting at?
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:08:44
Grahamski

I liked John Smith. He was a different class.
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 14:09:01
#276 Grahamski,

So in other words he kept BOTH salaries???

Is that what you are saying???

So why the fake indignation with Alex Salmond then???

Pot, kettle black are just some of the words springing to mind!
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:09:26
This is getting silly. Off for a break.

(What's the betting the board will be wiped clean by the Hootsman janitor?)
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:10:09
I wish I had two salaries.
I wish I had ONE salary.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 14:10:41
277 Meths,

Yes, "There's a kind of hush" - Lord Foulkes is sleeping.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 14:11:12
279

Mr le Pie,

"So in other words he kept BOTH salaries???"

Err, no. He chose not to be bombastic about his generosity.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 14:12:46
283 Grahamski,

Yes, he kept both salaries.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 05/11/2009 14:14:50
Springburn beckons.....I'll leave you nutty nats to continue to trash the reputations of dead guys....classy.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 14:15:37
#274

"You find me, Brownlie, "distinctly odd"?"

According to psychologists, people who speak in the third person are 'removed from reality', are 'suffering from a kind of identity disorder' and 'at most participant-observers in their own lives, with little genuine emotion'.

Brownlie speaks in the third person. Need I say more?
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 05/11/2009 14:16:29
The unionist savants once again show the result of programming to be harmful to their synapses.

A prognosis that is well catered for by this 'news' paper.
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The Master,

05/11/2009 14:17:26
#278 Meths: " I liked John Smith. He was a different class."

As shadow chancellor, he's remembered for being too honest about his proposals and helping to bring about Labour's defeat in '92. A classy politician, like you say, but not as polished as Blair, who was to follow, or Cameron, who is to follow…

#287 Buckpool Looney: come again!
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 14:17:55
283.
So he didn't keep both salaries???
Why has this news been hidden away???
So what proportion did he give away???

As he's no longer with us I'm sure it won't be a state secret any more.

As New Labour Sleaze will stoop to the gutter for positive news I would have thought they'd be singing Comrade Dewar's praises to anyone daft enough to listen???

Or did he donate the money to some really dodgy organisation??

Do tell us, oh wise one??
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mark mccann,

05/11/2009 14:19:30
Grahamski? No comment? Didn't think so.
Found out again using the usual lies and propagand that have been spread about as "official" figures.

Typical, cowardly, fantasist unionist.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 14:23:29
#286, Yeah1/AM2.

And you are simply an apology. A distinctly odd one at that.
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Jimmie the Pie,

05/11/2009 14:24:03
Although Comrade Broon has claimed he has abolished boom and bust, saved the worlds' financial markets and positioned the UK at the front coming out of recession, the printing presses are churning out even more money, further devaluing the £ and stoking inflation for the future!!

From The Telegraph,

"The Bank of England has expanded its radical programme of printing money by a further £25bn today as the fight against the deepest downturn for decades is stepped up."

Oh dear Comrade Broon, caught out again for the fool you obviously are!!
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:24:13
Yeah 1

"You find me, Brownlie, "distinctly odd"?"

"According to psychologists, people who speak in the third person are 'removed from reality',"

You are no AM2. If you examine the sentence, Brownlie was NOT addressing himself in the third person.

He was asking a question about himself in the first person. Take out the word "Brownlie" and the sentence is simply, "You find me odd?"

All he did was add his name to the question.

The third person would have been something like, "Brownlie wishes to know if you find him odd."

Simples really.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 14:25:35
1st person: I find
2nd person: You find
3rd person: He finds
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 14:27:59
#289, Jimmie the Pie.

He donated it to GDC so that they could build a statue of him thus saving CT payers some monies on the roads repair budget.

A truly great man, wouldn't you agree?
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The Master,

05/11/2009 14:28:05
293 Meths: I'm sure that Brownlie's use of the third person was merely a rhetorical advice and that you and Yeah are reading too much into it.

#294: how good of you to conjugate a verb for our delectation.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 14:28:56
286 Yeah1

I'm mad, I tell you, mad! Completely and utterly bonkers!! Classy diagnosis, did you take the trouble to look it up? Her Majesty the Queen, God bless her, must suffer from this terrible affliction as well. Maybe that why there are constant exhortations for God to save her? "God save our gracious Brownlie" does not quite have the same ring to it!
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 14:32:22
#239, Meths.

I've already apologised to Yeah1/AM2 for being hard on him due to his lack of reading skills. He didn't take kindly to it...................probably didn't understand what I was saying.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 14:39:06
#293 Meths

Please see post #138 in which Brownlie states:

"No illusion, chum, but Brownlie can never work out why an individual should post on the same topic, on the same thread, under two, or more, different names."

The above is the example of Brownlie speaking of himself in the third person.

Simple really...
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 14:41:50
Easy folks Yeah1 has a political science degree!! Watch out as the hoonster makes himself a right charlie foxtrot.

I am warning you!!!
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 14:42:56
#298

"I've already apologised to Yeah1/AM2 for being hard on him due to his lack of reading skills. He didn't take kindly to it"

I didn't take kindly to it because I dislike hypocrits - people who accuse others of lacking a particular skill when they quite clearly lack that skill themselves.

You are either unable to read or too stupid to understand what I have told you.

Which is it?
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 14:46:13
Good one Yeah1 misspelling hypocrites, that was almost irony...
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 14:50:27
302 It didn't take him long to reach the zenith of Charles Foxtrot.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 14:51:24
#301, Yeah1/AM2.

Please don't get upset, and take a little more time with your sounding as hearing the words aloud may help you to understand the written word a little better.

Would you be so kind as to point me to where I have shown a lack of comprehension skills.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 14:55:03
#302

Shouldn't you be busy looking for evidence to back up your accusations?

Shouldn't you be making up more instances of posters apparently pretending to be you in order to boost your ego and self worth?
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Saruman,

05/11/2009 14:57:15
#305: Nats have a collective inferiority complex, but I don't know about narcissism...
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 14:59:03
#304

"Would you be so kind as to point me to where I have shown a lack of comprehension skills."

I have already pointed out exactly where you have shown a lack of comprehension skills - the fact you appear not to have understood what I was pointing out merely backs up my argument.

I will repeat for your benefit however:

Considering you appear to be still labouring under the illusion that I am, or was, AM2, you clearly were unable to comprehend or understand my clear statement in which I said "I am not, and never have been, AM2".

While I'm at it you have still yet to answer the question I put to you hours ago:

what 'spin' exactly did I put on the intolerant bigoted comments from 'Hen Broon'?

Perhaps you have been busy learning how to spell intolerant?
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 14:59:48
Another good one Yeah1, you know that when you delete your fakie moniker the "evidence" disappears.
Good effort at distraction from your hysterical "hypocrits" though.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 15:06:45
308 Yeah1 or is it The Arc of Insolvency so many different monikers same narrative though.
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Vasey,

Here 05/11/2009 15:06:49
Question for Yeah1

Can you give me 1 example of a benefit to Scotland of being in the union????

I will now use words that you seem to use quite a lot on your posts, if you don't reply I will take it as an admittance that you agree the union does nothing to help Scotland.
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Saruman,

05/11/2009 15:07:39
#308: but "Hen Broon" has been around (in various variations on the moniker) for years. He's not been suddenly invented by "Yeah".
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/11/2009 15:09:01
#307, Yeah1/AM2.

Please refer to my #170 for the answer you require.

You're now getting a little hysterical. I would retire and do my remediation if I were you, but you will probably continue to try to disabuse yourself of your genius.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 15:09:38
#308

"Another good one Yeah1, you know that when you delete your fakie moniker the "evidence" disappears."

No I didn't know that actually, I don't have any experience of making or deleting fake monikers so I wouldn't know - you presumably do have though.

I'm guessing that must be why you feel able to make up such lies and accusations in order to boost your own self worth - you know there is no way of anyone disproving your lies.

Unfortunately for you that works both ways - you cannot prove your accusations and so they must be believed based on their own merits.

Since you are an insignificant, unimportant poster (however much you believe the opposite) who I have barely noticed before, let alone spoken to, I think it is fairly obvious that the merits of your accusation are non-existent.
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Saruman,

05/11/2009 15:10:14
Apologies for my tautologous reference to "various variations". Here's hoping that Meths has gone off for a Tequila on his balcony and he won't notice!
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Vasey,

05/11/2009 15:11:06
I contacted the Scotsman to ask why I could not post any comments on the David Maddox stories (if you can call them that) from today, as yet no reply I will update you if I hear anything back but I doubt I will.

Has anyone ever received a reply from the Scotsman when you have emailed them complaning??
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 15:14:38
308 Great blog very funny hootsman headlines.
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Saruman,

05/11/2009 15:14:50
#313: sorry to do a Meths again, but it would be impossible for you physically to speak to anyone using the Scotsman's online forum in its current format.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 15:15:37
#170

"Your AM2ish obsession with classifying the SNP as racist."

In what possible way have I ever attempted to classify the SNP as racist?

Ask any sensible, intelligent SNP poster on here (there are one or two surprisingly), or look at virtually all of my posts on the SNP in this very thread - I have consistently stated that the SNP are a TOLERANT, PROGRESSIVE, 'WELCOME ALL' party.

I have consistently stated that the SNP are NOTHING like the BNP, and do not share any of their policies or objectives.

Quite how such statements in any way 'classifies' the SNP as racist I have literally no idea.

The SNP themselves are not in any way racist - they simply have a small minority of intolerant, hate-filled bigots who attach themselves to the party (as do many political parties).
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Saruman,

05/11/2009 15:15:47
#315: I've just scrolled up to remind myself what the article was actually about!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 15:18:19
So I think we can say that Labour are being hypocrites as usual as Donald Dewar was an MP / MSP as well as Jim Wallace.

Alex Salmond is stepping down as an MP at the next election everybody and there dug ken's this.

So the Hoostsman are providing another attack angle that again falls flat on it's tulip.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 15:19:19
313
I find it very hard to believe that Yeah1 is your first ever moniker on here.
As for your constant harping at me being insignificant and unimportant, well why are you replying to me then, o Highland Mighty one?
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The Master,

05/11/2009 15:20:03
#321 Yeah: I was having just such an argument with someone in my local recently. Whilst I condemn the BNP fundamentally, I am of the opinion that they are an extreme Nationalist party rather than "racist".

As regards the SNP, the party is at the extremely moderate end of the Nationalist spectrum and in no way racist.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 15:20:45
319
Thanks Tormod.
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Vasey,

STILL WAITING 05/11/2009 15:23:12
Yeah 1 your silence to my simple question at 310 is deafening!!!

Maybe people might take you more seriously if you didn't have little digs in most of your posts ie 321 -

Ask any sensible, intelligent SNP poster on here (there are one or two surprisingly),
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 15:25:04
#324

"As for your constant harping at me being insignificant and unimportant, well why are you replying to me then"

Because I dislike being accused of doing something I did not do, and I dislike people making up lies about me.

Perhaps someone did pose as a fake version of you and it isn't just an attempt to boost your own self worth, I have no idea, but I can certainly assure you it was not me - I don't resort to such tactics.
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Vasey,

05/11/2009 15:33:29
Yeah 1, you spend your time replying to people who you don't want to debate with but you say you have to reply to because they are making up lies and accusing you of doing something you didn't do but you won't reply to my question at 310.

Do I have to insult you to get a reply because that what it seems like.

You seem to moan about the above but will not reply to my sensible question, why is that?????
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 15:35:59
#328

"Yeah 1 your silence to my simple question at 310 is deafening!!!"

Apologies I didn't notice your question.

Just out of interest, why are you asking my opinion on the benefits to Scotland of being in the Union?

I'm not a unionist, I have no reason to defend Scotland's position in the Union.
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brownlie,

05/11/2009 15:48:48
299 Yeah1

Thanks for your analysis. If it had been made by someone whose opinion I value like Meths, Conan, Tormod, Observer etc etc I would take it on board.

You still have not answered my query as to why a person, i.e. you, should post as, at least, two different individuals on the same topic on the same thread? In case you need to refresh your memory it was on the Scotsman article regarding Mrs Brown visiting Glenrothes.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 15:53:24
#332

"Thanks for your analysis. If it had been made by someone whose opinion I value like Meths, Conan, Tormod, Observer etc etc I would take it on board."

Why on earth you would value the opinion of a liar like Conan, or Tormod, who appears to believe in mythical creatures, I have no idea.

Anyway it wasn't my analysis - it was the analysis of an expert pyschologist on why people speak about themselves in the third person.

I suggest you take it on board.
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Mssy G,

05/11/2009 15:53:25
178 Yeah1 perhaps AKA The BNP TROLL??



"The 'people of Scotland' didn't vote for him to hold either position.

It was the people of Banff and Buchan who voted for him to be MP"



Are you still at primary school?


Three days of your BNP trip, now this!



It has become quite clear that you lack understanding when it comes to politics, however, this post provides evidence of your lack of intelligence across the board!


Believe it or not, the people of Banff & Buchan actually live in Banff & Buchan and it is actually like in Scotland!


I think I am therefore correct in saying that the People of Scotland voted for Alex Salmond.



Only a completely stupid unintelligent, childish, idiotic, brainless, silly wee numpty would disagree with that!



Do you disagree with that?
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Frank Spencer and Betty,

05/11/2009 15:53:40
#267 Grahamski

Typical of the unionist mind-set. Can't comment on the post only on spellng, grammar etc.

Please enlighten the world as to why Alex Salmond should give up his job at Westminster and not the other 58 Scottish MPs at Westminster who are unemployed and doing absolutely nothing for the people of Scotland.

Please tell the world why Scotland needs three parliaments to run us when no other country, including England does.

Please tell the world why it is better to waste £30 million per year on Scottish MPs doing nothing at Westminster instead of spending that money on our pensioners, schools etc
323

brownlie,

05/11/2009 15:54:16
331 Yeah1

Are you saying "I am not a unionist" in order that, in reply to your insults regarding SNP supporters, other posters cannot use the union's shortcomings against you? Does that statement have as much credibility as when you claimed on this site that you only post under one name?
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 15:54:44
325 The Master

"As regards the SNP, the party is at the extremely moderate end of the Nationalist spectrum and in no way racist."

Which leaves the ever so British Nationalist Unionist Parties, where exactly ?
325

brownlie,

05/11/2009 15:57:42
334 Yeah1

If you had a modicum of their intelligence you would have surely displayed it by now.

Are you going to answer my question? Why post under two different names on the same topic on the same thread?
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 16:03:12
#337

"Are you saying "I am not a unionist" in order that, in reply to your insults regarding SNP supporters, other posters cannot use the union's shortcomings against you?"

No, I'm saying it because it is true.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:07:41
334 Oh stop it your hurting my feelings hoonster, apparently you are not aware of what a troll is.

Brownlie has been very patient with you and courteous. Any respect I had for you vanished a long time ago, I don't suffer fools gladly especially fools with huge over inflated view of themselves.

Get over yourself.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 16:09:07
#339

"If you had a modicum of their intelligence you would have surely displayed it by now."

You think a person who believes in mythical creatures is intelligent?

If people like Tormod and Conan are examples of intelligence to you then you really don't know many intelligent people.

I suggest you widen your social circle a bit and broaden your horizons.

You do speak in the third person however, and are therefore, according to psychologists, 'removed from reality' and 'suffering from a kind of identity disorder' - perhaps that explains it?
329

brownlie,

05/11/2009 16:10:52
340 Yeah1

I have just noticed your remark at 334 about the opinion of an expert pyschologist. So you did look it up, how sad is that? lol!!

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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 16:12:37
#339

"Are you going to answer my question? Why post under two different names on the same topic on the same thread?"

I have no idea. Why not ask someone who does that?
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Vasey,

05/11/2009 16:13:05
Appology accepted Yeah1, Would you like to state your political preference if it isn't pro union????

I appologie I just thought that from the tone of most of your posts you would be pro-union, I have yet to ever receive a reply to my question from any unionist ever and thought I woudl try you as you seem to answer most other posters questions.
332

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:16:43
342 Funny that if there is word that best sums up Scottish nationalism it's Aspiration!

Doesn't really sit well with your hmm critique does it hoonster.
333

Yeah1,

05/11/2009 16:18:44
#345

"Would you like to state your political preference if it isn't pro union????"

In terms of independence v unionism I have no particular preference.

"I appologie I just thought that from the tone of most of your posts you would be pro-union"

I admit that I dislike some things connected with the SNP - namely their leader, and particularly some of their supporters who have an almost religious, fanatical belief in the party and refuse to accept any criticism of either the party or its leader, or to admit the party has ever done or said anything wrong, or made any mistakes.

However this does not make me a unionist.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:19:53
342 What does your Internet service provider Psychologist have to say about humans with an over inflated view of themselves?

I am just curious.
335

brownlie,

05/11/2009 16:21:43
342 Yeah1

What mythical creatures are you talking about?

I know it's stating the obvious to most readers on here but Tormod and Conan certainly post much more intelligently than you do. If you care to read Conan's blog you will find it extremely intelligent, witty and with a political insight you could never hope to attain. If your posts were even half as entertaining I would gladly read them. Instead you pathhetically post as two individuals on the same topic, lie about it, and then hypocritically accuse others of lying.
336

Mèths,

05/11/2009 16:23:04
299 Yeah 1

Accepted - when you use THAT quote, but not the one you used ... maybe you ARE AM2!
337

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:24:54
348 common mistake our religious fanatical belief is in Scotland as an independent country standing on it's own two feet.

I and my fellow nationalists have complete 100% confidence that we would have a more happier, healthier and altogether more prosperous country as an independent nation.
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European Scot,

05/11/2009 16:30:03
307 Yeah1

" Since you are an insignificant, unimportant poster (however much you believe the opposite) who I have barely noticed before, let alone spoken to, I think it is fairly obvious that the merits of your accusation are non-existent."

334 Yeah1

"Why on earth you would value the opinion of a liar like Conan, or Tormod, who appears to believe in mythical creatures, I have no idea."

Your youth is showing.
The opinion you have of yourself stretches way beyond your actual abilities.
At least your final four words above are truthful.

348 Yeah1

"In terms of independence v unionism I have no particular preference."

"I admit that I dislike some things connected with the SNP - namely their leader, and particularly some of their supporters who have an almost religious, fanatical belief in the party and refuse to accept any criticism of either the party or its leader, or to admit the party has ever done or said anything wrong, or made any mistakes. "

" However this does not make me a unionist."

Nurse !
339

Vasey,

05/11/2009 16:30:45
Yeah1, If you have no politcal leanings towards the union or independance then are you a floating voter and will vote depending on the candidate or a party's manifesto at that particular time??, serious question I am not having a go.

I think it would be easier to debate with you if I knew where you stood thats all.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2009 16:34:47
#354

"Yeah1, If you have no politcal leanings towards the union or independance then are you a floating voter and will vote depending on the candidate or a party's manifesto at that particular time??"

Yes I've said that a few times before.

I don't fanatically vote for one particular party like a sheep (like some people on here), whatever that party does or says.

As you say, I examine the manifestos, performance of the parties, candidates etc in the run-up to the election and then make my decision.
342

Mèths,

05/11/2009 16:34:59
Why is everyone getting personal? As Grahamski says, "Lighten up."
343

Mèths,

05/11/2009 16:35:59
"As you say, I examine the manifestos, performance of the parties, candidates etc in the run-up to the election and then make my decision."

So you're a floater then?

;-)
344

Vasey,

05/11/2009 16:36:02
If it's constructive critisim of the SNP backed up by factual information I doubt 99% of SNP suporters would disagree with you, it seems to me that most of the time people on here giving the SNP a hard time do not use facts but there own opinions.

If you would like to critise the SNP or it's leader with factual information I might agree with you and I am an SNP supporter.

Give it a try.
345

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:36:44
350 Cheers Brownlie I have to say you have been very patient Yeah1.

I wrote a dity about Yeah1 yesterday, apparently my use of the Troll metaphor lonely in a cave has passed him by.
346

Vasey,

05/11/2009 16:38:05
Would it be improper of me to ask you yeah 1 who you voted for last time around in Hoolyrood and Westminster and the reason's why??
347

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 05/11/2009 16:38:52
360 Correction I missed out the word with as in Brownlie has been very patient with Yeah1.

More patient than myself hoonster.
348

brownlie,

05/11/2009 16:39:45
344 Yeah1

"Why not ask someone who does that?"

I am. On the Scotsman site on the visit of Mrs Brown to Glenrothes.

"Yeah1 23/10/2008 12:50:20

"I never pretended to not be the same person. I made quite clear that I was both Yeah and Hey. I logged out after my first post and then had to log back in later and logged in at "yeah" "

You, my friend, are a hypocrite and you are a liar.
349

brownlie,

05/11/2009 16:45:03
357 Meths,

Sorry for getting personal but I hate self-righteous and presumptuous hypocrites.
350

Mèths,

05/11/2009 16:47:07
364

... and I called him a floater but one post later.
351

brownlie,

05/11/2009 16:53:27
365 Meths,

Yes, I noticed but was too polite to laugh. Come back, Grahamski, where-ever you are, all is forgiven.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 17:29:22
Just back from walking the dugs before the dreaded fireworks.
Who got red-inked?

Hah! Yeah1 calling me a liar...that man must go through some Brasso polishing his neck.
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Gdgy,

05/11/2009 17:33:06
Salmond will continue to "do" two jobs badly but say that he is doing very well...
the difference between the outcome and the promises will continue no matter how many jobs he has....
You could argue that because of the many SNumpties (like Swinney) that wee Lec has many jobs within the gov. as he has to tidy up (or more ususally hide) their mess......
As for valid criticism of the SNP?
WHY are they not bursting a gut trying for a referendum? Why is the SNP not pushing for independence? Could it be that they would lose their nice wee jobs?
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 17:40:07
371
WHY aren't they bursting a gut trying for a referendum?

They ARE Gdgy.

Why is the SNP not pushing for Independence?

Umm, look at the name of the party Gdgy.There's a wee clue for you.
356

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 17:51:05
376
You should start a blog Obs, *you* are the one doing the monitoring there.
357

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 18:04:15
380
You forgot anybody wearing Scottish National dress Obs.
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Mèths,

05/11/2009 18:37:54
"I see Yeah1's distasteful post has been removed"

What was that one about?
359

Mèths,

05/11/2009 18:56:45
385

He can be a bit AM2-ish & self-opinionated but he's not normally foul.
360

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 19:07:30
386
He called me a liar Meths.
Me! The holder of the San Serafino Order of Purity and Truth, 4th Class...
361

Mèths,

05/11/2009 19:12:00
Conan

Despicable. You? A liar? Never.
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Conan the Librarian™,

I'm not allowed to post my blog address. 05/11/2009 19:19:29
You going for the four hunnert Meths?
363

Mèths,

05/11/2009 19:20:57
391

Nah. Just off for my tea.
364

Mèths,

05/11/2009 19:22:34
I wonder how kimba in all her guises feels about the ex MEP and the expenses fraud. £36,000 apparently.
365

Mèths,

05/11/2009 19:23:05
HEY! This is the 5th November. Guy Foulkes night?
366

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 19:27:37
Aye. It's like Helmand province without the heavy casualties here the night.
367

Jo Public,

05/11/2009 19:33:44
#316 Vasey

No - apparently letters are shredded by an office boy called Rufus.
368

Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 19:42:52
394
Och, for Foulkes sake, I missed it.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 05/11/2009 19:57:02
The vast majority of these Unionist and Nationalists posters should stop insulting each other, and have some respect for each other's views.

Its called tolerance.

Logical debate makes more sense than insulting each other!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 20:02:31
Does Broon not have 2 jobs? MP & PM. 2 salaries.
371

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 20:07:25
Not to mention his part-time charity work, like saving wee things like the economy, banks, Britain, the World, the universe.

Apart from people in Scotland.
372

Warden Resurrected,

05/11/2009 20:09:18
Jock Tamson
397- Fat sally is doing the work of two men.
373

Warden Resurrected,

05/11/2009 20:12:51
Jock Tamson
397-Laurel and Hardy
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2009 20:22:50
Goodnight folks.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 20:23:01
404, Warden Resurrected, I guess I'm highlighting a malaise in the system here (IMHO).

WE have modern technology with regards to communications. We have underemployed Scottish MPs. We have underemployed MSP's.

If a PM (a BIG player on the world stage) can strut the world, sort out Westminster's jurisdiction and still represent his constituents then so can the FM with his minor tasks of being an FM and MP.

All you have to witness is the opposition drivel in Holyrood to see that MSPs revel in parochial minutae because they are seperated from the world by Broon and the like of.
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05/11/2009 20:30:35
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05/11/2009 20:34:12
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 20:42:02
416, Sam Nat, why are you calling me Andy?
379

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:30:27
Now why on earth would 415 be deleted?

Is address a bad word? Must ake a moment to think about this.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:36:12
421, Observer, thank you.

I do think that I am not a man about town and that Samuel Nathanial is not even sam nat.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:41:12
Observer, 415 was a parody of HEN BROON RETURNED's posts.

Without the bottom line. It was the continuation of the "I got your ISP" post. It said "address". Meaning that I had his ISP address and knew it was an troll - or whatever they call them nowadays.

I shall replicate it.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:41:58
address




























































 
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:43:35
An historian on an horse told me to write an troll.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:47:49
The fact that a post can be deleted so quickly tells its own story.

The mod is posting. Time's right as they twiddle their thingies waiting for the pdf's from Labour to print.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:50:50
Well, Observer, can't say there have been any fireworks on here tonight. Couple of damp squibs as new signings.
386

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/11/2009 21:56:02
Yeah, me too.

A very good night to you, Observer.
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JC1,

Glasgow 05/11/2009 22:07:42
So what? even if he gave up his MP job, he still couldn't do what is expected of him as FM.

 

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