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Published Date: 24 May 2008
DAVID Cameron yesterday publicly offered to work with Alex Salmond's government, insisting he would respect the will of the Scottish people if he became prime minister.
The Conservative leader promised that if he took over in Downing Street while the SNP held power at Holyrood he would not frustrate Nationalist initiatives.

Aware that he might win power without a mandate from Scotland, Mr Cameron said he wanted t
o send the message that he would observe the democratic authority of the Scottish Government.

The Conservative leader has been warned that a Tory victory at the next Westminster general election might fuel the pro-independence movement in Scotland, particularly if the Tories secure only a small number of seats in Scotland.

In his keynote speech to the Scottish Conservative Conference in Ayr, Mr Cameron said: "To the people of Scotland I make this guarantee: whatever the outcome in Scotland of the next general election, a Conservative government will govern the whole of the United Kingdom, including Scotland, with respect," he said.

"Whoever is Scotland's first minister, I would be a prime minister who acts on the voice of the Scottish people, and will work tirelessly for consent and consensus so we strengthen the Union."

Still basking in his party's success in the Crewe and Nantwich by-election, Mr Cameron insisted that the Conservatives could make gains in Scotland, declaring: "There really are no 'no-go areas' for us anymore."

Mr Cameron derided Labour's problems over an independence referendum and praised Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, saying: "It's Solid Goldie versus Bendy Wendy".

But his main theme was to argue that the Union prospered when the Conservatives prospered.

Mr Cameron also said he was prepared to compromise over the Barnett Formula, the controversial rule which allocates extra spending to Scotland, and the voting rights of Scottish MPs to protect the Union.





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1

BIG EYE,

Paisley 24/05/2008 00:20:18
there is spin and there is spin but he must be really twirling if he believes this
2

Conan the Librarian™,

24/05/2008 00:22:29
"Mr Cameron insisted that the Conservatives could make gains in Scotland, declaring: "There really are no 'no-go areas' for us anymore."

Erse.
3

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 24/05/2008 00:34:47
'There are no no-go areas'

Yeah, anywhere north of Derby and anywhere west of Birmingham and Salisbury. The new Romano-Anglo-Saxon perspective.
4

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24/05/2008 01:55:33
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5

Edward,

24/05/2008 02:20:43
actually the headlin on this articles was to have been:
Cameron bullsh*t on Scotland: 'There are no no-go areas'
6

Edward,

24/05/2008 02:23:55
"Whoever is Scotland's first minister, I would be a prime minister who acts on the voice of the Scottish people, and will work tirelessly for consent and consensus so we strengthen the Union."
Excuse me! what was that????
Who ever is Scotland's First minister, I would ne prime minister who doesnt give a monkey's about who ever is elected in Scotland
Bring it on David, with that kind of atitude, I cant wait!
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/05/2008 02:46:02
#6, Candy Man.

If you are being serious, you are an erse.

AM2 is what he is, a Unionist apologist, but he is, what he is. He is entitled to his comments regardless of what you, and I, might think.

Attempting to publish private details, of anyone, is, not only, out of order, it is offensive.

I am not AM2, or an apologist for him. I am very anti-AM2, as anyone on these threads knows but he, like yourself, has the right to be anonymous, if he desires.

Incidently, I believe that commenting anonymously is cowardice.

#5, English Masters.

As Will would say, "To be thus is nothing, but to be safely thus."

Your comments are of nothing and require no response. I say this in pity, not in anger.

As Will, again, would say, "The quality of mercy is not strained............".
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Edward,

24/05/2008 02:56:35
#8 frank mcbride,lusitania
Are we reading different papers?
#5 is Candy Man
#6 is Edward (me)

#5 seems to have copied and patsed from somewhere else as he is refers to '5 EnglishMasters' yet he is already #5
By the way agree with your comments
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baltic scot,

24/05/2008 03:19:59
The incredible disapearing EnglishMasters!?!

#8 & #5

I agree, stop posting these details it really is bad taste.

I think its time we came to realise that Labour are dead. In the near future the case for the Union will be made by the Tories.
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rich31,

24/05/2008 03:27:24
actually that one about the car went over my head!is that a Scottish thing?
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W Smith,

Middle East 24/05/2008 03:33:57
"So I would say to Alex Salmond: what's your hurry? Prove yourself. Don't make independence the be all and end all. Let's make improving the quality of life of our people the aim of our Scottish government.

I have no desire to see seperatism in its true form. I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BE OUTSIDE THE UK ALTOGETHER."

Sir Tom Farmer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article3868328.ece

Oh dear.

Salmond thinks with a massive majority of one built, on spoiled ballot papers, he can afford to:

1) Write letters to the Iranian government
2) Promote Islamic education
3) Hang out with communists like Lydnsey German and Kate Hudson,
4) Quote Hugh MacDiarmind the communist

He thinks he can do all of the above and count on the business communiteis support.

Going on Farmer's comments he can't.

BTW
Interesting to read SNP comments stating that the Tories win in Crewe was more about working class people becoming anti-Labour than pro-Conservative.

DUH!

Some SNP supporters are too dumb to see the irony in this.

At least the Tory candidate didn't require spoiled ballot papers to get in, eh MacAskill?
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rich31,

24/05/2008 03:40:34
12,Salmond has one major problem.European spending is fixed until 2013,uk is the biggest contributer,if the snp threaten that,needless to say European Commision will not want,and cannot renogotiate until 2013,for the next spending round,France,Germany,Spain,would be furious with Scotland and would not want to reward an independant Scotland with EU membership.The basques etc would also make EU commision,not be seen to reward Scotland.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/05/2008 03:56:09
# rich31.

You're humourous comment are???.........not humourous.
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rich31,

24/05/2008 04:00:28
14,i will take it on advisement!not
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/05/2008 04:52:27
#13 Rich31

If you think that the SNP does not realize that EU spending is fixed until 2013 you are sadly mistaken.

Timeline for Independence.

2010 Westminster General Election followed by possible referendum on Independence.
2011 Scottish Elections followed by SNP majority if the Unionist Parties frustrate referendum attempt.
2012 Independence referendum followed by negotiations over disolution.
2013 Scottish Independence.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/05/2008 05:22:57
#15, rich31.

As I said.

Wasn't that funny!!!!!!!!!!!!
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eric,

24/05/2008 07:05:17
Would he still respect will of scots folks if alex became prime minister of scotland mmmm,This is fantastic news for snp a win win situation.we loath tory gvt more than scots labour.
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boudica,

Glasgow 24/05/2008 07:33:48
Candyman 6...Once again I inform you that what you are doing is illegal as is the Scotsman for allowing it , I only hope the person whose information you are posting sues the boots of you and this newspaper and its moderators for their total lack of concern at your actions


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jamgo,

Glasgow 24/05/2008 08:43:56
typical tory politician......still no respect for the PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND!!!! .... where was he when his predecessors were running amok in this country? Will these dolts never learn?
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Edward,

24/05/2008 08:58:11
#12 W Smith,Middle East
'Interesting to read SNP comments stating that the Tories win in Crewe was more about working class people becoming anti-Labour than pro-Conservative'
Actually I think youll find that those SNP comments are actually correct!. Ive listened to 2 polling organisations being interviewd this morning, who did a study on who actually voted and it was found in the London Elections it was the class D,E &F's that voted for the Tories, switching from Labour and also in the Crewe it was the C2's (the so called white caller workers). So I would have to agree that the working class of England at least are rejecting Labour and voting Tory
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Edward,

24/05/2008 09:01:20
Cameron can be bullish all he wants, the fact remains that north of the border the fight is between the SNP and Labour with the Tories and Libdems picking up the scraps!
If the same kind of swing (17.6%) away from Labour happened in Scotland to the SNP, then we could see the prospect of seeing more SNP MP's and less Labour, which could include some interesting scalps
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 09:12:25
27 Jamgo
David Cameron was a schoolboy when Margaret Thatcher was elected in 1979.
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Nikostratos,

24/05/2008 09:13:07
#5 candyman

You have achieved the seemingly impossible and are gaining by every post more and more support for AM2 from the 'nationalist' community.

You see for all the banter and rough handled comments on this site the truth is the vast majority of poster's are fundamentally 'Decent' people from both side's (and middle) of the independence debate.
And you sir are just waisting your time and your internet connection fee.





"Cameron bullish on Scotland: 'There are no no-go areas'"


Perhaps not so much 'no go' more NOT WANTED!.....ever again
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Boy Wonder,

24/05/2008 09:20:16
'There are no no-go areas in Scotland'??

Wanna bet, mate??

We Scots have long memories ... longer than the English, judging by Thursday's result!
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 09:50:44
33 Boy Wonder
The memories can't be that long. In 1955 the Tories actually achieved a majority of the popular vote in Scotland. Something that neither Labour nor the SNP has achieved.
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Jay Kay,

24/05/2008 09:56:47
#33 Boy have to agree mate, anyone who votes for these b*stards needs his head examined, less we forget what thatcher and the tories did to the manufacturing industry the coal industry the unions in scotland, I for one saw many of my freinds famillies go into shear poverty during the miners strike, they destroyed this country and took the working man to the brink, I for one will never vote Tory again EVER and cameron can take that to the bank, as for Nulabour, broon should be facing criminal charges for what he has done, and as for those loathsom MP's who use our money so they can hide the illegal sums being claimed on their expenses, I for one want to obtain that document and read it in great detail. All pigs to the trough every one of them, thats why wee eck is making them all nervous, an honest politician with morals being booted at every turn by the english masters at westmonster.

To say I hate these greedy politicians is an understatement.
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Calvinist,

24/05/2008 09:57:02
Many of the posts here are simply wishful thinking. I do not relish the thought that the Tories will return to power but it think it is more than likely that the will. Also it is very foolish to underestimate their support in Scotland. I have been frankly shocked by the number of people of my generation (I am old) who say that for the first time in their lives they are contemplating voting Tory. Why? Because they want to see an end to the Labour government and have no truck with separatism. Do not assume that the voting pattern in a general election will be the same as for the Scottish parliament.

Cameron has made his position clear on the Union in his speech at Ayr. The assumption that the move to independence will be a smooth inevitable process is naïve in the extreme. It will be very messy and will possibly cause difficulties for generations to come. As I have said before I think that Salmond has made a miscalculation over this; if he held a referendum now he would have a stronger hand to play.
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Boy Wonder,

24/05/2008 09:57:40
#34. Ugly George ... 1955?? Well before my time, mate! I'm taking about since the 70s.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 10:13:50
35 Jay Kay
You referred to what Thatcher and the Tories did to the trades unions. Does anybody (SNP, Labour, LibDems) have a policy of repealing the trade union legislation introduced by the Tories?
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Publius,

Girvan 24/05/2008 10:31:38
#35 JayKay

I gather you don't like the Tories because they closed coal mines. Please will you tell which coal mines the SNP will re-open and when?
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Publius,

Girvan 24/05/2008 10:48:20
#28 Edward
Not sure if you've got the CDEs exactly right, but the point about some English white working class voters switching directly from Labour to the Tories is right. Labour's policy of high taxation is hitting them directly. Labour's preoccupation with things like environmentalism and overseas development together with its jobs-and-expenses-for-the-boys (and -girls) insults their intelligence as well as hitting them in the pocket. Without these votes Labour has had it.

#29 Edward
#36 Calvinist
Your discussion about whether the Tories can revive in Scotland or whether the collapse of Labour simply means more votes and seats for the SNP is very interesting. The Tories may not have many good cards in Scotland but they are playing them very cleverly. Annabel plays the role of leader of the constructive opposition at Holyrood (as opposed to Wendy, the leader of the destructive opposition), while Cameron smiles benignly and indicates he is prepared to compromise on constitutional issues. I wouldn't write off the Tories yet. A few more Tory seats in the next Westminster elections seems quite likely.
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Geoff,

sa 24/05/2008 10:58:26
Howsit Spook-about to watch the Sharks hopefully beat the Waratahs but love your use of the word 'toff'. You're giving away your age-i would guess Bertie wooster vintage-in your sixties. Hows that for some Holmsian detective work!
34 Ugly George-interesting stats. Does anyone know how the Tories did in Scotland immediately post Falklands?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/05/2008 11:24:21
Mr Cameron said he wanted to send the message that he would observe the democratic authority of the Scottish Government.

‘Beware of Greeks bearing gifts’
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livilion,

livingston 24/05/2008 11:47:50
43 Geoff
Really you must try to keep up, it was thee topic of converstion over the Crewe and Nantwich by-election, where have you been not to have heard about Labour toffs?

Tories aren't the toffs in Crewe - it's Labour
By Andrew Pierce
12:01am BST 17/05/2008
>>Labour is returning to its old-fashioned roots by running a class war campaign against the Conservative candidate in the Crewe & Nantwich by-election. Activists, in top hats and tails, have been stalking Edward Timpson because he is a "toff".<<
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/05/17/do1706.xml
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Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/05/2008 11:53:20
For all the exchanges I've had with AM2, I have to say that he has in my experience, always dealt with the slings and arrows from fellow posters, some of which are more justified than others, with courtesy and intelligent counter argument. Trying to 'out' him, as a means of silencing possibly the most intelligent unionist voice on this forum, is simply contemptible.

If you want to engage in debate with someone of an opposing opinion, who would you prefer it to be? The tinfoil-hatted 'W Smith' who sees reds under the bed everywhere? The risible 'G from Dundy'? The clearly under-medicated 'Alfred E Neuman'? Highland Blighty? Or someone like AM2, who will engage in a civilised exchange and is prepared to put his views up for scrutiny and counter-argument?

I know which one I prefer. If those who claim to support independence can't deal with unionist counter-arguments reasonably expressed, then please, just pack up and let your more sensible brethren lead the debate from here-on in.


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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 24/05/2008 13:05:37
So, the SNP have maybe, or maybe not raised police numbers, reduced business rates, and abandoned automatic eary prisoner release. All due to presssure from the Conservative part of the SNPCon pact. Good for Goldie!
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24/05/2008 15:21:20
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24/05/2008 17:44:33
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Green booger,

24/05/2008 17:59:14
I think we have another Tony Blair in the pipeline.

Why can't people vote UKIP? If you do, then we can get rid of the cloned idiots in the Lib-Lab-Con.
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24/05/2008 20:11:13
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25/05/2008 01:22:28
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Richard M,

Scottish Raj 25/05/2008 09:21:26
Like many I have bad memories of the Tories in the 80s and 90s. I'm not convinced that David Cameron has 'detoxified' his party
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25/05/2008 15:07:09
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 25/05/2008 18:07:02
#4 - Yes and if the LibDems hadn't secure PR then the Tories would have been wiped out of Holyrood years ago so people of a non-progressive demeanour would have been even further from the seat of power that they crave incessantly.

The dodo party might be experiencing a revivial of sorts on the back of Brown's inability to explain the global economic downturn but Cameron is like Salmond, a political opportunist of the worst variety - all talk but little or no substantial actions.
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MT,

25/05/2008 18:28:07
I really hope the tories win the next general election with no one in Scotland voting for them. It can only help our struggle for freedom and independence from our English colonial masters.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 25/05/2008 20:08:17
#65 AM2
No knife-twisting from this neck of the woods. At least you had the guts to admit what you did, albeit under apparent duress from posts now removed, and unseen by me. You have to live with it.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 21:51:30
#64 MT Well said! It wont be the first time that the Scottish people by a majority, voted for a particular government and got another one i.e.the one that they did not vote for. It's called ,being court jesters for our English masters!

 

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