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Published Date: 01 July 2008
SCOTLAND'S prison population should be cut from 7700 to 5000, with jail sentences reserved only for the most serious and dangerous offenders, an independent report recommended today.
The Scottish Prison Commission, led by former First Minister Henry McLeish, said imprisonment should be targeted and "paying back" in the community should become the default position for dealing with less serious offenders.

The report also argued
for 16 and 17-year-old offenders to be dealt with at specialist youth hearings and detained separately from adult offenders.

And it recommended new "conditional" sentences – between a community sentence and a custodial sentence – where a jail term was imposed but suspended, subject to the offender keeping to strict conditions which include tagging, unpaid community work and payment of fines.

The report said: "The evidence that we have reviewed leads us to the conclusion that to use imprisonment wisely is to target it where it can be most effective – in punishing serious crime and protecting the public.

"Imprisonment should be reserved for people whose offences are so serious that no other form of punishment will do and for those who pose a threat of serious harm to the public."

And it said focusing the use of imprisonment on those who had committed serious crimes and were a danger to the public, it would be possible to reverse the upward trend in the prison population, projected to rise to 8500 within a decade.

The report said: "The commission recommends that the Government pursue a target of reducing the prison population to an average daily population of 5000."

It said the Government should extend the types and availability of effective alternatives to prosecution.

And it recommended a single community supervision sentence with a wide range of possible conditions and measures for paying back the community for crimes committed.

The commission also proposed two new bodies – an independent National Sentencing Council to develop clear sentencing guidelines and improve consistency; and a National Community Justice Council to oversee a new regime of community sentences.

Mr McLeish said Scotland was at a crossroads and must choose which future it wanted for its criminal justice system.

He said: "Scotland has one possible future where its prisons hold only serious offenders, prison staff regularly and expertly deliver programmes that can affect change and there is a widely used and respected system of community-based sentences.

"There is another possible future, one in which there are many more prisons, as overcrowded as those today. Dedicated and skilled professionals lack support and suffer from low morale, the public's distrust of the criminal justice system reaches record levels and fragile communities are ignored.

"We have to make a choice between these two futures. One requires us to do nothing at all; the other will require us to think differently about what we want punishment to do."





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  • Last Updated: 01 July 2008 10:55 AM
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1

Daft Old Git,

01/07/2008 12:07:44
About time this Government just banned crime altogether
2

Griffe,

01/07/2008 12:08:34
One quick way is to bring back the death penalty for murder.
3

lulach mac gille coemgain,

01/07/2008 12:09:17
Give them ID cards that should stop them commiting crime - It’s gonna stop terrorism ! eh ?
4

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

01/07/2008 12:14:07
They will all be released in time for the election and given a voting card with only Labour on it and decamped to shettlestone.
5

Scotish Exile,

01/07/2008 12:26:20
Henry McLeish, now that is someone to look up to....
6

Dreamnine,

01/07/2008 12:29:41
They should up the prison population, build more jails and jail more people..
7

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 01/07/2008 12:31:28
lulach mac gille coemgain, I presume you wouldn't complain if someone nicked your identity and carried out fraud? Do you have a problem when a match on a DNA database, or a fingerprint or a photo catches a criminal because they've been ID'd positively?
8

True Jambo,

01/07/2008 13:03:59
#2 no it won't the death penalty takes ages. just look at america.

I'm always against the death penalty.

9

Scotish Exile,

01/07/2008 13:05:26
throw them down the meadowbank black hole
10

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 01/07/2008 13:48:17
The death penalty in America doesn't work too well because it takes too long and costs too much.

I'm against certain people coming out of jail and reoffending. Certain people are always going to be a significant danger to others when released - but apparently their rights trump others.

For instance there have been various cases of very violent rapists being let out and promptly reoffending. This despite the likelihood of reoffending being so high. Rather than spout on about the human rights of such vermin they are better off dead.
11

blackley,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 14:25:46
Reduce the prison population? Yeah, shoot the devils!
12

Sanny,

Upwey 01/07/2008 15:09:44
11 blackley
I like your practical approach: Reducing the prison population whilst at the same time making is a less attractive place to wind up. It would certainly engage the Crim’s thought processes.

I believe there is a less extreme, more humane and democratic process. Spend a little money building more prisons so that Crim’s know they will go to jail. Make the jails very uncomfortable places to be: -

An 8 * 12 cell with bare walls, no mail, drugs, phone calls or visiting and of course absolutely no ‘association’ so no education of the younger Crim’s in the art of criminality. Feeding Crim’s should be minimum cost, using end of shelf life supplies from famine stores. Return of the ‘bread and water diet’ for minor miss-behaviour. Added time for more serious breaches of regulations.

Now tackle the problem from the other end: -
Return of Approved School and Borstal for young offenders. Make it toughand arrange work so the pay back to society. Offenders ‘School visits’ to Adult prisons so they are in no doubt as to what lies ahead if they follow a criminal career choice.
For young violent criminals bring back the birch, let them know what it feel like to be hurt and be unable to defend yourself.

For those that are prepared to make the effort to re-pay society then they should be given every effort to educate them and give them skills that will be helpful on their release and keep them out of Jail.

It may take a while but I believe such a programme would significantly reduce our prison population.
13

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 15:14:53
The death penalty only applied to murder, and even then only some murders. So bringing back the death penalty will not reduce the prison population much, unless you introduce it for, say, all drug-related offences.

We stopped hanging them for sheep-stealing centuries ago. It is called civilisation. Civilisation - you'll have heard of that, #s 2, 10, 11 and 12? Maybe even visited occasionally, eh?
14

ThomasP,

01/07/2008 15:16:08
Bring back Capital Punishment.

Problem solved.

Our streets will be safer...

and the public don't pay thousands per criminal in prison
15

ddmc,

01/07/2008 15:56:31
chain gangs, at least they will make some recompense to society or call centres for those unable to do manual labour
16

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 16:34:11
#14 - capital punishment for what exactly? The death penalty only applied to some murderers. Prior to its abolition Scotland only ever carried out a small number of executions. And statistically, murder is the offence with the lowest reoffending rate. Very few murderers are released to kill again.

Not much point in hanging rapists, either. The conviction rate is so low that there just aren't that many of them in our jails.

So who are you going to hang next to get the numbers down in any meaningful way - junkies? Jakeys? Shoplifters? Fine defaulters?

Those who spout hard-line rhetoric about the solution to crime are inevitably those who know least about it. Engage your brain before you start swinging that noose, boy.
17

tomias,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 16:47:22
More predictable keetch
18

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 17:18:10
#16 Ghengis.

Like most people, I have no knowledge of crime other than as a potential victim and have no wish to 'understand' it. The vast majority of us manage to get on with life with respect for our neighbours, their rights to a quiet life and their property. 7,700 out of a population of 5 million doesn't sound like much to me. Why can't the half-wit liberal hand-wringers see the solution is SO easy. If the feckers are locked up they ain't bothering the rest of us. So, the longer they're locked up the less chance they have of re-offending.
19

Jenny MacArthur,

01/07/2008 17:45:21
All the holier-than-thou right-wing reactionaries with their hang'em-flog'em Daily Mail style kneejerk reactions writing above ignore one thing. Punishment just isn't an effective way to reduce criminality. There is a tiny minority that it's necessary to lock up to protect the public from. But otherwise jail only breeds more accomplished criminals, as study after study shows. The interventions that actually reduce re-offending are the ones that focus on rebuilding the damaged individual, that these hate-ridden idiots above always despise for being 'soft'. But hey, why bother with facts when you can sound off about all those other bad people to make your pompous self sound better, eh?
20

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 18:08:48
# Jenny

And your way works? We've been getting softer on crime since the 60s and all it has done since has gone up. I'd take the hint. But I suspect you're too dim and too self-satisfied to work it out. If a criminal's not free, they're not harming the innocent and the honest. Prison should be punishment. If a criminal doesn't learn from it, they should be kept away from the rest of us for longer. I , and I'm sure many others, have no desire to tell others how to live their lives. I don't hate criminals. I just want to be left alone and live in peace. And yes, I AM better than the average criminal, I make no apology for that.
21

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 01/07/2008 20:19:12
#13 wrote:
"We stopped hanging them for sheep-stealing centuries ago. It is called civilisation. Civilisation - you'll have heard of that, #s 2, 10, 11 and 12? Maybe even visited occasionally, eh?"

You mean its civilised letting people out to continue to rape people? Idiot.
22

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 01/07/2008 20:20:47
Giving lengthy prison sentences to violent offenders makes sense. But jailing someone for property crimes doesn't.

You have to recognize that there are 2 different distinct forms of criminality. The Murderer, Rapist or Violent offender is distinct from some one who perhaps knicks stufff so that they can feed a drug habit.

Since their criminality is different should we not have different approaches for punishment? I say lock the violent ones up long term, but punish non violent offenders with tagging and community service.
23

ThomasP,

01/07/2008 23:54:27
#16

Murders, gang leaders, child abusers etc etc

Automatic hanging.
24

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02/07/2008 10:35:20
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