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Published Date: 04 May 2008
CABINET ministers are privately plotting to replace Gordon Brown as Labour leader, according to a senior Labour MP who has slammed the troubled Premier as a "moody, disloyal personality".
Labour MP Graham Stringer, a former Cabinet Office minister, told Scotland on Sunday that his senior parliamentary colleagues were preparing the ground for a new leader amid growing panic that Labour is facing certain defeat following the disastrous May Day local elections last week.

"Conversations between Cabinet ministers and backbenchers are going on in private," he said. "If anyone thinks that MPs are not obsessed with talking about whether Gordon should be leader they are sadly mistaken. They are talking about nothing else."

Stringer, the MP for Manchester Blackley, added: "I never thought the Labour Party could win with Gordon and I'm sorry to have been right. He's spent 10 to 12 years being disloyal to Tony Blair, which never struck me as being credible for a new Prime Minister."

He went on: "He's got a moody, disloyal personality that does not appeal to a lot of people – particularly those who switched to Labour in '97. It's his personality and his policies, which have been a bit bizarre over the last eight to nine months."

He went on: "At the moment a lot of people in the Cabinet and outside it would make a better fist of getting a coherent set of polices and not frightening off the voters. We need someone who can appeal both to our core voters, like the biscuit factory worker in my constituency who lost £37 because of the abolition of the 10p tax, and to people who voted Labour for the first time in '97."

Stringer's claim that ministers are moving against Brown will trigger renewed speculation that the Prime Minister could be toppled within months following Labour's catastrophic defeat last week in the English local elections and the London Mayoral vote.

Yesterday the newly elected Tory Mayor, Boris Johnson, said Labour should pick Foreign Secretary David Miliband. "But I don't think they'll do it," he said.

Brown is also facing demands from Labour MPs to back down over his plans to detain terror suspects for 42 days without charge.

The Prime Minister is preparing to extend the current 28-day limit but Labour backbenchers have warned they feel strongly enough about the issue to force a Commons defeat on Brown which could trigger his fall from office.

Labour MP David Winnick, who led the successful rebellion against Blair's proposals for 90-day detention in 2005, said:

If they decide to press ahead with the measure, the Government must recognise that there is quite a possibility it won't be passed by the Commons or the Lords."

PM urges unity after poll rout

Jenny Percival and Eddie Barnes

GORDON Brown will today take to the TV studios and urge his party to unite behind him as he launches a fight-back following Labour's May Day election rout.

In a series of interviews, the Prime Minister will insist there is time to save Labour from defeat in the next general election.

Brown is also expected to carry out a major Cabinet reshuffle later this summer. Scotland on Sunday understands that the post of Scottish Secretary could be axed to make way for a new 'Minister of the Regions' with responsibility for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Current Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is said to be favourite to take up the post.

Brown will unveil a series of new policies this week in a draft Queen's Speech, including help for first-time buyers, new rights for parents over their children's education, and fresh measures to tackle binge-drinking and failing schools.

A raft of policy announcements also include tougher drink-drive laws, an equalities bill, a White Paper on reform of the House of Lords, an overhaul of party funding and a statement on British values.

Constituency parties and the unions will also be given a bigger role in policy making as Brown attempts to keep to his promise to listen as well as lead.

He is also expected to confirm that he intends to reclassify cannabis from a class C to a class B drug – ignoring the recommendations of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

Justice Secretary Jack Straw insisted yesterday that Labour could go on to win a fourth term because the next election would be different from what was partly a "mid-term protest vote".

He conceded that voters had wanted to punish Labour for scrapping the 10p income tax rate. "They wanted to punish (Gordon Brown] – or punish us in respect of the 10p," said Straw, who also appeared to indicate that Brown would now wait until the last possible moment in 2010 to go to the polls.

"The situation in two years' time will be different from where we are today."

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said: "It was a message to the Government. It was a kick up the backside to us in government from the public saying: 'It's tough outside, we're feeling the pinch and we want you to lead.' Gordon stepped up to the mark yesterday and said 'We need to listen to what you are saying and we need to lead'."

But MP Ian Gibson said Labour had not engaged with the public on big issues – ministers speeches were "leaden, boring" without "passion or belief".

Prime Minister needs to change – but can he do it?

ANALYSIS: Tom Brown


THE May Day massacre at the polls was an unmitigated disaster for Labour and a personal humiliation for Gordon Brown. We could be witnessing Labour's long, lingering death.

It must be mortifying for the Prime Minister to find himself compared to former leader Michael Foot, the hapless joke-figure who marched Labour to oblivion. Labour has been down before but never so down.

For weeks, even friends of the PM have been asking: how has it all gone so wrong, so quickly, so early in Gordon's premiership? England and Wales have given the answer, as core voters stayed at home and many swallowed lifelong scruples to vote Tory. Down south, the Tories are the alternative; in Scotland, it is the Nationalists. The consequences could be devastating for the UK.

Winning three successive UK elections was unprecedented and winning a fourth now seems a virtual impossibility. Scotland becomes even more crucial, since without the former safe seats north of the border, Labour will have no chance. These results show there is no such thing as a Labour 'heartland' and traditional votes cannot be taken for granted.

More than 100 Labour MPs – including half of Brown's Cabinet – are sweating about their chances of keeping their seats at the next election. They will not be slow in calculating whether there needs to be a change at the top.

If there has been no improvement in fortunes by September, Brown will find himself fighting for his political life at the party conference.

He says he will "listen and lead" but what he really needs to do is listen and adapt. He needs new advisers – not from the City and public relations but from the real world – to communicate a vision, and tell baffled supporters what their party stands for. Next month's pre-Queen's speech will have to be a radical, reforming programme.

A Cabinet reshuffle is on the cards, but what is needed is a change of style and attitude. Easier said than done because, as one Cabinet member says: "Getting Gordon to change is like turning a super-tanker."

Kenny Farquharson: We'll never love Brown, if he can't

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1

Angus Ogg,

03/05/2008 20:25:47
I never thought I would feel sorry for Gordy, but jings, if the poor man wasn't neurotic and paranoid before, he soon will be.

Night of the long knives anyone ?

Oh forgot that was the other lot. Tories and Prime Minister MacMillan.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

When will Britain get the politicians it deserves ?
2

R. Slicker,

Spooking Leith 04/05/2008 00:23:04
It is important that we have a serious debate about this.

http://tinyurl.com/5qj9f6 is a serious issue.

Discussion boards such as this remind me of the SWP.
3

Senga Jean,

Scotland 04/05/2008 00:29:49
I find it difficult to sympathise with a man who wishes to airbrush my Scottish identity. "Minister of the Regions" indeed. I wonder what harm and confusion this North Briton is causing to our youth? Is the message " Be ashamed ,your Scottish" good for an upcoming generation.
4

R. Slicker,

Leithing Spook 04/05/2008 00:37:50
Angus,

Britain *does* get the politicians it deserves.

Voting turnouts are abysmal. Voting should be made compulsory.

If you don't participate in the ballot you shouldn't be allowed to participate in the benefits. But you would still be taxed and subject to all other legislation
5

Paddi,

04/05/2008 00:55:13
That sounds like a totalitarian state to me, no thanks.

Labour has had a kicking cos they don't know when to stop taxing us. This tired excuse about the world economy is just that, 70% of all revenues from the petrol pump goes to the govt, we're all mightily sick and tired of being fleeced and seeing nothing other than waste and handouts to people too lazy to work. And then to be told that inflation is 2.5% and that’s the best we can expect for a pay rise and all along Brown and his awful mate Ed Balls are forever squeezing. Time to stop and time for a change.
6

Edward,

04/05/2008 00:59:50
" a new 'Minister of the Regions' with responsibility for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Current Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is said to be favourite to take up the post"
That will be the same Paul Murphy that came to Scotland to talk to the Scottish Government in April about why they shouldnt be using the JMC to complain against the treasury.
7

Edward,

04/05/2008 01:02:32
'Minister of the Regions' is yet another Gordon Brown attempt to water down the importance of Scotland as well as Wales and Northern Ireland. After all if he is trying to save money, but try and improve dialogue with devolved countries, why doesnt he make a 'Minister of Devolved Nations'?
8

brownlie,

04/05/2008 01:38:28
10 Jade

Explain?
9

FS,

Stirling 04/05/2008 01:47:02
#4 No it shouldn't. There's something called 'freedom', look it up. It may be something which is being lost in a world where there is greater interference by the state (something which I see you wholeheartedly agree with), nevertheless most would agree that as human beings we weren't born simply to perform our 'duty' by voting for whichever set of performing monkeys of the day is more popular.
10

Matt there,

somewhere 04/05/2008 02:49:45
Yes, Jade.

But as Mr Graham Stringer, Labour MP, so helpfully pointed out, the personality that Gordon Brown has is a: "moody, disloyal personality" and I am sure Mr Salmond can do without one like that, thank you very much!
11

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 04/05/2008 02:53:07
Gordon Brown could not face the fact that the SNP won Scotland a year ago and allowed his bitterness to poison everything he did after that. It clouded his entire judgement and instead of being positive he became negative and defensive and controlling of everything in his power.

Rather than seeing the good points in others he prefered to do nothing which was interpreted as dithering until circumstances forced his hand as with the 10% tax rate. His government of all the talents was a sham and a scam. He listened to know one but himself.
12

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 03:09:59
The knucklehead Brown still doesnt get it, and he has blown it again. How dare he describe The Nation of Scotland as a Region of the UK.

The halfwit seems to be an ignaramous. Scotland and England signed a Union of Kingdoms (albeit illegal) and that has never ever made us a Region. How dare he even think he can demean our Nation in such a poor way.

I shouldnt be so angry and should remember he is a nutter, who isnt in charge of his actions. Any psychologist would tell you he was Bi Polar and a severe manic depressant. He should resign out of Health Issues alone.
13

Willie Macleod,

Wick 04/05/2008 04:36:53
Why do you say you shouldnt be be so angry he is a nutter he is a nucklehead the words you use need to be thought about as a fellow psychologist you know we dont use such terms I fear for your own mind If you carry on this self destructive conduct against people who you dont know
14

Willie Macleod,

Wick 04/05/2008 04:47:03
#16 for #15
15

Damy Ruby,

04/05/2008 05:50:50
Brown thought he could walk over the populace, "listen I gave ten ten years of great chancellorship, so dont even dare to question me" Well Mr Brown even that fantasy is disappearing into the mist. You are nothing but a failure so get out before you are kicked out! O and take that FN pipsqueak Darling with you, I would rather have Ian Rankin's Mccafferty at the helm!
16

morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2008 06:37:58
Brown has placed his "vision" before the people and they have concluded that he is seeing things.The man is arrogant and does not listen.His removal will achieve NOTHING.Replacing the driver after the bus has gone over a cliff is pointless.

He presumed that announcing the 10p removal one year, when it takes effect the following tax year would disguise the fact that the lowest paid were now paying more tax.How out of touch is it possible for Brown and Darling to be? Im afraid even the Labour faithful will notice that everything costs more and their net pay is less. The excuse of world wide factors will not wash.The UK is better placed than any Euro nation apart from Norway,because of billions injected from the North Sea.We are still an average standard of living by Euroland standards, and that can only be forty years of incompetence. The Republic of Ireland has achieved far more with far less. Its called good government for the benefit of the citizens ,not the carreers of the lying two faced politicians.
The late Bob Hope said it all when asked who he thought would make it to the White House ?His answers were" It does not matter,either way its the evil of two lessers", and "the USA could sleep soundly in their beds,secure in the knowledge that they had the finest politicians that money could buy"!Some things are universal apparently.
17

acanthus,

Moscow 04/05/2008 07:07:45
Is the Gordon Brown honeymoon period over then? Personally i think he is doing a fantastic job, especially for the SNP, Tories, Lib Dems..i think the honeymoon should therefore be extended!
18

morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2008 07:27:19
17
Presumably you cannot know him equally then,and that means the comments at 15 are at least as relevant as yours,for the same reason.
The comments at 15 have one major difference,most people agree with him,not you ,and the opinion polls whatever else they may be do reflect public opinion.Whether our opinions are worth anything ,only time will tell,but Brown is apparently less popular than some diseases I could name.Its not going to get any better,and his removal will precede the removal of the NEW LIEBOUR government anyway.
Perhaps that reality is something which you should take on board before you help elect another Tory government on Scotland which she clearly DOES NOT WANT.Remember Thatcher and 18 years of Tory government?You should.It was the Labour voters in Scotland who elected her here,and they did this for four consecutive elections! Now that what I call DUMB!
19

Conan the Librarian™,

04/05/2008 08:00:21
The Daily Mash was right.Look at the photo.Two fingers and an ironically cocked eyebrow...
20

Non!!,

East Britain 04/05/2008 08:07:38
The article is an interesting review of Mr Brown's personality and attributes. It corresponds very accurately with what someone who knew him well as a student told me about him over 20 years ago. If he couldn't/wouldn't change over a lifetime, he's not likely to undergo a Paulian conversion now, is he? However, the Labour party is now the subject of such ridicule due to the actions of the whole Cabinet, not just those of Mr Brown, that a mere palace revolution will make no fundamental difference other than to make the revolutiuoaries feel avenged. It's too late. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.
21

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04/05/2008 08:12:26
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22

BK,

Cyberspace 04/05/2008 08:16:59
A party which commits genocide on a Nazi scale and taxes the poor to make the rich richer deserves extinction, and the sooner the better. Brown, along with Blair, should spend the rest of his life behind bars - remember that these these a murderers thousands of times worse than Harold Shipman. Just because there victims are in Iraq does not mean that their deaths do not matter.
23

Non!!,

East Britain 04/05/2008 08:22:16
#25

No sensible person could defend him. He's not some poor soul more to be pitied than blamed. He holds the highest office in the land and he's just not up to it.
24

Neil McCart,

Cheltenham 04/05/2008 08:27:44
Without doubt Gordon Brown comes over to the pubic as a thoroughly unpleasant character. His complete indifference to public opinion reinforces this view, and increases public contempt for the man personally. However, such is the public anger that I suspect not even a change of leader will do the party any good. All the possible candidates look and act as though they have been let out of school early, and do not inspire any confidence. It is clear that Brown, despite the beating and kicking his party got in the local elections, still hasn't got the message. As BK of cyberspace states, Blair, Brown, Straw and Hoon should be facing a War Crimes tribunal - they would have been the first to demand such a trial for any Third World leader who had planned to invade and occupy another country on a tissue of lies and deceipt. Instead, they have been allowed to destroy one country, killing hundreds of thousands in the process, and would like to do the same to Iran.
25

Isonomia,

Lenzie 04/05/2008 08:40:43
If Brown thinks that he can play the fear/terrorism card yet again like Tony Bliar did over WMD like Tony Bliar did over global warming to get us to pay more tax (global temperatures have been declining since 1998), if he thinks we haven't noticed the way Labour have been gerimandering the electorate by trying to import labour voters through immigration, or gerimandering the economy by getting the public to borrow to boost the economy, then he doesn't deserve to be prime minister.

The problem with muddle-class Nulabour is that they are institutionally incapable of listening to the people. Why? Because they think the newspaper owners and their sycophantic chums are "the people", and for ten years Nuclabour policy has been tailored toward this political elite and the rest of us have been totally ignored and fed lie after lie to make us tow the line.

The problem of Brown is not that he couldn't make a good prime minister, but that he leads an institution built on the lies and deceit of Blair's spin and so incapable of respecting ordinary people ...
26

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 04/05/2008 08:54:23
A bad week indeed!
Raith Rovers failed to overcome Airdrie Utd.
"Things can only get better"...Right,Gordon?.
27

Jimmy the Pie,

04/05/2008 08:56:09
Our Dear Leader(soon to be ex) Comrade Broon is on his way out. Whether he chooses to go with what little dignity he has left is doubtful. But go he will, along with his half-witted leader in Scotland. He says he will listen and lead. So will we get a referendum on the EU?? Bet we don't. He screwed up with the 10p tax rate. He screwed up with all the so called 'green' taxes. He dithered over Northern Rock and cost the country billions.
If he decides to stay and fight, his sleaze ridden party will cull him as their gravy train is not seriously under threat. Self interest will decide not the needs of the electorate. Must go now and watch the buffoon trot out his drivel on the Andrew Marr show.
28

Isonomia,

Lenzie 04/05/2008 08:57:49
25: >>>Is there no-one willing to defend this poor man?

OK ... my honest view is that Gordon Brown is by far the best candidate for PM between the Eton Cameron and Bliar. At a time of impending economic crisis we need pragmatism not spin, we need someone who cares about the less privileged, not someone who sees the lower class down their nose.

We have been lied to for too long, and simply replacing the spin of Blair by the spin of Cameron will not create an economic miracle out of the mess created by nulabour's borrow-to-boom policy.

Unfortunately, as Gordon knows well, the public don't want to be told that they have to tighten their belts and prepare for a drop in living standards. We all want to believe the government can miraculously keep the economy suspended by the bootstrap of borrowing and we will blame whichever party that ends up normally in charge of the economy when that bootstrap of borrowing breaks and the economy plummets down to find the real terra-firm of creating real goods and services for export.

If I could appoint the best PM for Britain it would be Gordon Brown, but there would be a few conditions:

1. End the spin and use of fear like the overplay on terrorism and the nonsense about global warming
2. Work with the public to develop a plan to repay a good proportion of that £1,000,000,000,000 of personal debt.
3. Stop immigration that is puts a burden on our resources at a time we cannot afford it.
4. Stop the political elite hogging power and disenfranchising the rest of us. E.g. give ordinary a real say about who gets to the house of lords (not which party the cronie belongs to) ... randomly pick a panel of ordinary people like a jury and get them to pick the candidates. Get the PM to sponsor his candidates .... and it may be the only time they actually meet ordinary people and have to really listen to what they are saying and answer their questions. If he wants to listen he really has to engage with ordinary people as equals
29

karinxxx,

04/05/2008 08:58:15
Scotland on Sunday understands that the post of Scottish Secretary could be axed to make way for a new 'Minister of the Regions'

aye thats listening isnt it. lets make this clear scotland is not a flippin "region" of anywhere its a country.
30

Just_Me,

moray 04/05/2008 08:58:22
Gordon Brown is on fightback number 4 while here in Scotland Wendy Alexander is on fightback number 9 (or similar).

Its all getting a bit tedious. They can both wait as long as they like to hold an election, it wont save them from being retired as soon as folk are allowed a vote on it.


31

Watson,

Irvine 04/05/2008 08:58:30
I see Tom Brown is still living in the past. Isn't it about time someone gave him a pension. labour is dying and he can't see it, still going on about his precious union. Just like Labour is a yesterday's party Tom Brown is a yesterday's man. But then he has only written for sh1te rags
32

Paul W,

This planet 04/05/2008 09:01:06
#1 - The original night of the long knives was Hitler's physical disposal of his political rivals by having them murdered.

#26 - BK, another one who has no understanding of the recent history of this country, Iraq or Hitler's Germany. The suffering of the people of Iraq is partially the result of the Blair/Bush invasion, although the current situation would have occurred at some time in the future following the inevitable death of Saddam. The invasion, based on a tissue of lies was, IMHO, illegal, and certainly all cabinet ministers of the time, who must have known the truth, are complicit. There is not,however, a genocide on a Nazi scale in Iraq - there is a civil war poorly supervised by an occupying force (which doesn't kill anywhere near as many Iraqis as the Iraqis themselves). BK you have never read any history of the Nazi period, which involved systematic and organised mass murder, if you think there is any comparison with the situation in Iraq. The numbers killed under the Nazis, and Hitler was only third in the league of mass murderers in the 20th century after Socialists Mao and Stalin, defy comparison with Iraq.

Brown will go, but taxation and PFI and Northern Rock (Bradford & Bingley next) are the things that will take him down, not adventures in other lands (unless, in desperation, we invade Iran at the behest of the Israelis, sorry Americans).
33

karinxxx,

04/05/2008 09:13:29
does wendy have anything to say about gordon being supported by only 25 percent of the population. Does wendy have anything to say about the fact that the party that says scotland does not want independence is supported by only 25 percent of the population?
34

Koshka,

East Lothian 04/05/2008 09:17:19
Gordon Brown is to Tony Blair what John Major was to Maggie Thatcher.

Years of domination by a strong minded individual followed by someone who worked as Chancellor but was never fully groomed for the big job.....

Within weeks of the change Lib Dem Vince Cable noted that Stalin had become Mr Bean. That comment started an upward path....... for Mr Cable......

Last years Council elections in Scotland were a hard blow for Scottish Labour and some of their current councillors are still feeling the pain - not accepting that they are no longer in charge.

The local elections in England and Wales with the loss of Labour heartlands like Sheffield (David Blunkett) and Hull (John Prescott) to the Lib Dems continue the decline. Red Ken has also lost to Boris the haircut.

I am sure that if Brown survives or even if he doesn't Labour will now hang on until the last moment for an election so that they can retrench.

Currently they can hang on until 2010 - in a parliament with fixed terms like Holyrood they would have only had until May 09 to sort themselves out.
35

Isonomia,

Lenzie 04/05/2008 09:29:59
#37 - Does two-twins Wendy have anything to say about being supported by 25%.

To show you the kind of contempt Scottish Labour have for the people of this area ... they gave us a political spin doctor who is so astute that he doesn't even have the gumption to reply to repeated request to provide details for our local websites.

http://www.lenzie.org.uk/represent.php

The problem with Nuclabour is that not only are they still led by spin doctors, but that they are so sycophantic that they can't even pick good spin-doctors.

I'm sure there is a potential PM/FM in Wendy's house but it is not her!
36

Cincinnatus,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 09:37:05
Only posh Scot's can run England, they don't like the real deal like jolly Gordon
37

roughrider,

Glasgow 04/05/2008 09:39:32
Watching Broon on the AM show, he is full of the same old liebour crap. Blah, blah ,blah.
Lie after lie just rolls out of his cosmetically enhanced gub.
38

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 09:44:34
Paul W, well that makes me feel a lot better. Gordon Brown and Blair were the powers that be at the time of the lies that took us into war. Every London New Slavour MP is every bit as guilty as them. End of Story.

Yes we all know about the mass murders by Mao, Stalin and Hitler. But that is not exactly the point as you know. Iraq was attacked by the Western Powers based on lies. One million Iraqis were killed as a result of that invasion and many thousands of the soldiers from the western countries have been left either maimed, crippled or dead. There is absolutely no justification for the war, when you compare the troubles in Kosovo, Kenya, Somalia,Zimbabwi etc against what the iraqis were going through. Theres been no great outcry for the poor folk there who are being killed right now. Why would you even deny this fact. BP has just taken over the main Iraqi Oil Refinery and is charged with collecting the income to repay the invasion costs. The entire war was based on Oil and the creation of a US base to invade other Arab Countries, particulary Iran.

Brown is going to be voted out because of his position on the war and his policy of creating a special Terrorism Elite Force and reprehensable Laws that allow these bully boys to alienate the peaceful Muslims who live in both our country and England. After watching a recent discussion on Question time where Paddy Ashdown described the entire security fiasco as just a political stunt to stop the Tories taking a reduce crime policy as they normally do. The New Slavours did not dispute this fact, but sat there silently.

Gordon Brown is the most dangerous Politician to ever be in the office of Prime Minister. He is an unbalanced individual who is not in control of his faculties. He needs to go now for his sake and for the sake of the people of the three nations.
39

Ananurhing,

04/05/2008 09:47:00
15# A Better Way.

The more I see and hear of Brown, the more I'm genuinely convinced that he suffers from some form of autism.
I mean no disrespect to sufferers of this much misunderstood condition, or their families.
40

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 09:51:09
Have a look at the Herald site and the discussions on the BBC. It appears that the BBC commisioned a revue of services, that has turned around and slammed the BBC for failing to provide decent programming of UK News. For instance the Welsh and English Nationalism get no cover in England and vice versa. The Welsh get no information on Scottish News and We get little or none on theirs.

Also Alistair Darling told the BBC Trustees that there should not be a Scottish Six News Programme because it would lead to independance.
41

Boab,

Glasgow 04/05/2008 09:51:38
#1 Angus Ogg: are you sure Britain never gets the government it deserves?

I'm an SNP voter but all this does make me slightly uneasy. If voters are unhappy about the Iraq war, they had the opportunity to boot out Labour at the last election but didn't take it. That leaves the economic crisis ... erm, I don't seem to remember anyone in Britain complaining while the price of their house tripled. We got what we voted for.

So what are the UK going to do now to punish Gordo? Elect an old Etonian and his chums to put things right. I may be accused of inverted snobbery here; but no-one's suggesting he's going to end the 'taxing the poor to pay the rich' problem, as #26 BK put it.
42

brownlie,

04/05/2008 09:51:51
36 Paul W

I'm sure it will be a great comfort to the Iraqis who are mourning and in deep despair after their loved ones were killed by Us/uk forces or local militia that they were not killed as a result of genocide.
43

Jimmy the Pie,

04/05/2008 09:58:07
Just been watching Comrade Broon waffle his way through the Andrew Marr programme. He certainly displayed no humility and certainly doesn't sound like someone who is listening.

Interesting times ahead.
44

Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 04/05/2008 10:02:58
just watched Brown on The Andrew Marr show. What a wooden top is Brown. I though Pinoccio's nose got longer the more lies he told?
45

Ken S.,

Reading 04/05/2008 10:12:31
...though if, as some political commentators have suggested, 'Mr Bean' Milliband is the answer then one has to ask what the hell was the question!
46

Jimmy the Pie,

04/05/2008 10:13:53
Just been watching Alex Salmond on Sky News speaking to Adam Boulton. Superb! Now that's what statesmanship is.
Any thoughts Red Wendy??? Comrade Broon???
47

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 04/05/2008 10:16:19
All the opposition politicians need to do is step back & let Lieboue tear itself apart in the run up to the next General Election.

I think the ABL principle may apply when the next GE is called...Anyone But Labour.

Gordo's problem is that the people in England don't like him, & that is a pretty terminal state of affairs. They really do seem to be turning back to the Tories.

I doubt Vodaphone, Orange & the like will be rushing to employ Broon as a mobile phone salesman any time soon!
48

SW,

P&K 04/05/2008 10:17:21
47&48

Agree. The man is a nasty piece of work. Thank god for the SNP.
49

Brian M,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 10:26:07
Also saw Brown's interview.

He is so obvoiusly in denial about the real reasons for labour being drubbed.

People are fed up with his ever increasing taxes.

But according to him it is just people being worried about rising petrol and food prices and utility bills, and an economic downturn which is not his fault but the fault of the USA.
50

David MacVicar,

Web 04/05/2008 10:29:44
There has been a continued and focused attack on Brown since he became PM and his overt Scottishness has never been masked by his fake accent. The writing is on the wall for Brown. I don't particularly care who is going to replace him. Though it will be someone more palatable to the South UK, the policies won't be changing.

In the Blue corner we now have resurgent Tories elected by the numpties in the South kicking Labour but electing people with pretty much the same policies and same corruption, expense fraud and electoral fraud than the folk they just stuck the boot into. Sometimes people do get the politicians they deserve. Still what could they do except launch a protest vote.

People are doubting dithering Brown in a crises, yet when England suffered some of its worst flooding Brown handled it, while Cameron sloped off on holiday while parts of his constituency was under water!

At least in Scotland change IS happening and whether or not this change leads to self determination we will at least be further removed from the establishment Westminster shower of chancers. The Scotland based band of corrupt Labour in London power chasers are already at the end of the road and will be pursuing their careers elsewhere after the next elections.

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Alfred E. Neuman,

04/05/2008 10:44:35
53 Brian M

People who have read Gordon Browns 200 page booklet "how to scrounge off the state" which he published at university are not fed up with higher taxes.

They take Brown's advice of "never taking a job in a factory" because "there are early starts and the work is monotonous."

Kylie just needs to get up the duff and she gets a house ahead of a traumatised soldier who offered life and limb for his country, she is not fed up with our higher taxes.

The jailed criminal who has access to legal aid to challenge his right to read violent porno in prison, he's gald of the money too.

The list goes on.

Only the tax-payer/worker/responsible citizen is fed up with the taxes and the lack of service they get in return. But they are in a minority so not worth looking after.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 04/05/2008 10:45:44
The problem - at least it is one for Scotland - is that the parties in England have to bring forward policies to appease the people down there - especially SE England. Their votes usually = power. That of course usually means it comes with a price for the people further north & in Scotland. We are not priority - some would argue no reason for us to be as most votes are in the SE. The Tories will be no different in that aspect from Labour. Policies targetted at London & the Home Counties. Been that way for generations.

I think Scotland can do better for itself, & it made the first step last year. Not all of what the SNP will do will be correct, or agreeable - you can't please all the people all of the time. But I tell you, I would rather we made our OWN mistakes, & that the Govt in Scotland listens, which the SNP under Alex, Nicola & Co seem to be doing.

Times, they are a-changing.
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/05/2008 10:52:05
I've never been a great fan of Sky News but Adam Boulton really gave Comrade Broon a doing compared to Andrew Marr. Boulton kept asking about the 10p tax rate and it was plain to see Our Dear Leader didn't like being asked to give an answer. He looked like he had a jaggie catcus in his breeks the way he was squirming as Boulton kept at him for answers.
Is it not time that the BBC showed a bit of objectivity when dealing with the Government instead of fawning over them???

Comrade Broon sounded like a deaf man listening to a broken record.
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pehman,

sussex 04/05/2008 10:53:29


10 Jade
Gordon Brown is just Alex Salmond with a personality


Jade the people down here, lab tory lib, are clammering for a politician of Alex Salmonds stature and personnality
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Angus Ogg,

04/05/2008 10:57:46
#45,

Sorry Boab,

I was maybe being a wee bit too ironic. In many ways we have all the politicians we deserve !

On a slightly different tack and on topic, I have been witnessing Gordon Brown's fightback on the BBC and Sky TV News.

I think he will now hang on and do whatever is in his power to be Prime Minister and fight the next General Election. Whether he faces a stalking horse is another matter. Whether he wins the General Election is another matter.

I also think we are saddled with a government, well past it's sell by date and will be stuck with it right up to 1st May 2010 when the Bailiffs will have to go into number 10 Downing Street to evict the tenant by his fingertips.

What worries me more, if it is possible to be more worried about politics, is that we, the voters will collectively jump from the frying pan into the fire, and elect an Old Etonian who will be every bit as bad as the worst of the Tories in the 1980's and 1990's.

Hence the irony in my statement at #1.

The big question is like something from the tv series: "My Nname Is Earl" and sorting out bad Kharma.

What on earth have all the voters done, that is so very bad, to deserve Labour or Conservative politicians making an absolute hash of our lives ?
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Union is Best,

04/05/2008 11:02:48
Woe is us! Woe, woe, Wendy, woe!

As a Unionist I must confess that the latest brace of events - our biggest Unionist party and last defence in Scotland against the Nats in total meltdown, the Nats surging to 45% in the polls, and now some damned commission noticing the BBC is totally anglocentric - has left me depressed and frankly bereft.

Alot of my Unionists friends now find it harder and harder to just get through the day posting inane and bizarre comments (which reminds me - well done #10, #55 keep it up). We unionists are wracked with unease and panic at the continuing success of the SNP. I myself now have regular nightmares which feature Saltire flapping and the creepy, consumptive wheezing sound Gordon Brown makes when he inhales and tries to smile simultaneously.Things are so dire of late that my colleagues Alfred E Neuman and Highland Mighty have taken to violent choking and vomiting fits when they peruses opinion polls.

Will this nightmare never end? Wendy, save us and preserve us!
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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 11:06:05
i see labour are now saying that there should be a referendum. obviously they know that the longer the snp are in power then the more people support independence

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/05/04/brown-to-call-snp-bluff-over-independence-vote-78057-20404186/
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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 11:08:10
union this smacks of wendy your prayers have been answered he he he an indpendent labour party in an indpendent scotland.
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Union is Best,

04/05/2008 11:08:57
61. Good grief! WIll it never end! We have spent the past year opposing a referendum! We Unionists know what happens when the people are allowed to speak and we don't like it! We are all over the shop!
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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 11:13:02
union what on earth are you going to do now when am2 trots out the "only 25 percent support independence" line and someone comes back with only 24 percent of the electorate support labour?
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Sheltie,

Lerwick 04/05/2008 11:17:00
I'm a Unionist as well but I'll be damned if I ever vote for the Tories or want a Tory government again.

Quite simply Labour have lost the plot; the Liberals don't have substance, and in my opinion I'd rather vote SNP, who aren't doing such a bad job after all the scaremongering that went on.
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Tris,

, Dundee 04/05/2008 11:21:29

Downgraded from a nation to a region. Ashamed to be Scottish. Is that how you deal with an opion poll that shows a 45% support for the SNP? How stupid are you?

Next you'll be making us a riding of Yorkshire.

Go..... No, on refection, stay. Independence comes faster this way.
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shivago8,

livingston 04/05/2008 11:25:10
No good at a job,out on your ear I say.Does not matter which way.
He can get plenty of jobs as a highway robber.
He is in debt to all of us with the gelt that he stole in taxes.
Afraid I have no sympathy for the man whatsoever
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Alfred E. Neuman,

04/05/2008 11:27:33
Union is Best

Are you still wittering on about independence? The people of Scotland do not want it.

I think you are confusing the relative popularity of the SNP with Labour with support for independence. You poor misguided soul.
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Boab,

Glasgow 04/05/2008 11:34:38
#59 Angus: Right enough. The funny thing is, New Labour were really a cuddlier, electable version of John Major's wet, left-wing Tories; they looked after the super rich and the markets and supported another Gulf war; but then they delivered regional assemblies (not to refer to Scotland as a region again ...), a minimum wage, the New Deal. I'd be worried about Cameron's policies for the same reasons as yourself.
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 04/05/2008 11:34:41
Politics is bust, it is not fit for purpose, on every rung on the oligarchical ladder from Community Council to Parliament and to Europe you end up with people possessed and obsessed with power, the old saying 'power corrupts' sums it all up really, the only difference between the Uk and Zimbabwe is that Mugabe is prepared to maim, torture and kill in order to hang on to power, we are not at that point here but as time goes by it makes you wonder what our Executive is capable of doing.

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Union is Best,

04/05/2008 11:35:07
68. Alfred - great post! But why oh why oh why do the Scottish people not understand that we Unionists are the rightful arbiters of what they want, without the tedious need of asking them in a referendum!

Why do these Scots not just accept us telling them what they want? It is all too vexing! Wendy, save us and preserve us.
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brownlie,

04/05/2008 11:37:51
68 Alfred E.

What relative popularity of the SNP are you talking about?. You failed to note that the SNP were unable to increase their votes in this week's council elections.
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SwanseaTerry,

Swansea 04/05/2008 11:38:18
Is it only the Welsh nation,that know,that the discriminating SMOKING BAN,was the cause for the demise of Labour across the country?...The Bias Beeb,and the media in general,wont even MENTION the smoking ban,(dont mention the war----FAULTY TOWERS).,,.when calcalating the reasons for the defeat..Are they UNDER ORDERS?,,if so ,whose orders?...The County has gone NUTS!!!!Terry Garrington...
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Angus Ogg,

04/05/2008 11:39:22
#68, Alfred E.,

Please forgive me, but you appear a very rude and intemperate person?

I think you are, finally, getting to a point however when you state....

"confusing the relative popularity of the SNP with Labour with support for independence."

I don't often agree with you Alfred E. but what you allude to is THE point that will dominate politics in Scotland.

I think #65, Sheltie puts it best from the majority of Unionist voters (and at heart I confess to being one too)....

Sheltie says... "I'm a Unionist as well but I'll be damned if I ever vote for the Tories or want a Tory government again.

Quite simply Labour have lost the plot; the Liberals don't have substance, and in my opinion I'd rather vote SNP, who aren't doing such a bad job after all the scaremongering that went on."

So Alfred E., rather than have such rancour in your postings, which actually alienates voters such as myself, perhaps you could adopt a more concilliatory tone and try some reason and forensic skill in your debate ?

Alex Salmond is a master at debate, and has captured many votes, including mine and I suspect Shelties, by force of constructive argument skill and fair minded reason. As well as seeming to manage the Scottish economy and interests of Scotland well.

The difficulty the Union perspective of the debate has, is that if the Union fails to deliver the goods, and the SNP succeed then Independence may very well come about because former Unionist people like me end up voting FOR Independence.

NEVER forget the lesson Gordon Brown just learnt to his sever cost? Make the voters angry and they WILL CHANGE THINGS.
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Union is Best,

04/05/2008 11:41:17
73. Terry - you seem prone to ranting, excruciatingly contrived and ineffective attempts at humour, and the introduction of irrelevance. IUn short, we are very impressed and would like to offer you a job, reporting to Alfred E Neunman. Let us know.
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Union is Best,

04/05/2008 11:42:43
74. LOL! "by force of constructive argument skill and fair minded reason. "

We Unionists will not be drawn into your elephant trap of "constructive argument". Alfred - get name calling pronto!
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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 11:42:57
alfred what on earths going on i thought the snp werent popular according to unionists?

If they are popular then their policies and what they stand for are what is winnning over the voters are you saying that even though voters like a political party they dont vote for them because of their policies?

please explain?
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Laird o' Glenrothes,

04/05/2008 11:45:45
Get the greedy banks to pass on the interest rate cuts to mortgage payers, then Gordon will get my vote! Banks have raked in massive profits over the last few years, paid out a fortune to shareholders, then when the going gets tough they run to the taxpayer to sort them out??? Stuff them! C'mon Gordon, sort them out, get the rates cut.
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pehman,

sussex 04/05/2008 11:47:54
60 U i B,

Oh cheer up my friend, hope springs eternal, maggie has given his permission for wendy to back a referendum on Independece to kill off the Nationalists

See sunday mail for details, and it appears also that a conference of some sort to hash out a(nother) new programe for brown to follow is being arranged

See Sunday Post, Campbell Gunn, for details

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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 11:48:56
could one of the unionists also explain the thinking behind the we will now have a referendum? I fail to understand this unionist see sawing it seems like every five minutes the unionist cabal decide something then five minutes later do the exact opposite......

is this a case of dont do what i say do what i do if i knew what the hell i was supposed to be doing?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 04/05/2008 11:55:09
#32 Ison

My honest opinion too. Brown has such a flawed personality that he should not even be considered for the office of PM. To rank him as the best candidate defies belief!
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brownlie,

04/05/2008 12:09:53
80 Karin

You have summed up our unionist policy quite neatly in your last sentence.

I take it we can depend on your vote?

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karinxxx,

04/05/2008 12:15:53
aye of course you can brownlie just as soon as you manage to stop that snowball from melting where you unionists live at the moment.
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Proximaking,

Dundee 04/05/2008 12:37:41
I saw the Andrew Marr show today. The only mention Brown made of the real issues that affect people was the part about us not getting value for money from public "services". At last! Has it finally gotten through? We all know he isn't to blame for economic disasters set off in the States but he sure as hell is responsible for chucking good money after bad again and gain and again at "public servants" whose only service is to help themselves to our money whilst imposing marxist-nonsense failed theories on our children in schools, our patients in hospital and all the rest. Until Brown challenges the trades unions who infest every public service he personally is doomed, the country will of course find someone else to do what must be done. We need teachers who can teach and not blame every one of their failures on "targets" and cover up for incompetent colleagues, we need nurses and doctors who actually give a damn about anyone except themselves, we need police officers who go out on the beat alone and not holding one another's hands. The good thing is these "services" are so useless now who would miss them if they went on strike for the next year? No-one in private employment for starters we already do almost everything for these councils short of wiping their backsides. No Brown, you have your war to fight but it is here for the hearts and minds of the British and the one third who have to be pulled down from their starry eyed existence are the ones you put there, .... the idle "public servants" with their 20% above private wage levels their 100% above private pension rights and their utter acceptance of a bone idle laziness and sickness culture. Until you challenge these supporters of yours Mr Brown you are not worthy of being called a decent human being who supports the "hard working families" you crow on and on about let alone a leader of decent human beings. One place you will never find a hard working family is in the public's employ, the cushy systems set up by
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Willie,

04/05/2008 12:39:19
Here we go again!!
Last week a completely untrue story about the refusal of dockworkers to unload a tanker with 120,000 tons of fuel oil.
A retraction or apology?
No the good old SOS never learns!!
Now a Senior Labour MP suggesting insurrection!!
Clearly so important that I've never heard of him, but if he is so important why doesn't he get some of his many friends and stand against the PM!!
Oh No, What is he scared of?
Seems he is the disloyal one so why not Mr Stringer move aside and let someone with guts and courage take your job.
No I didn't think so!!
Must have been promised a job with the SOS!
Bet we hear as much of this story as last week's one.
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 12:44:27
#32 Isonomia,

1,000,000,000,000, One Million Million, A British Billion.

How very appropriate that personal debt has climbed to that lofty peak, under the stewardship of Prudence...the most British North Briton of them all.

Well Done Sir...We salute your indefatigability.
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 12:48:45
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 12:50:57
That didn't come out quite right...but Im sure you get my drift.
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 12:55:45
#90 The Spook in Leith,

Jolly Good Fellows Indeed....And so say all of us!

HIP HIP...
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 13:07:40
#93 The Spook in Leith

Wha?

0% of the vote went to Labour!

That's far too much.
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/05/2008 13:13:05
Just saw Red Wendy on the Politics Show.
Awesome is the only word to describe her.
Her grasp of reality is about the same as her boss Comrade Broon. But all the 3 year olds will be voting for her and New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party.

And her party is the only one making gains???

The red stait-jacket is on its way
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Hubert Farnsworth,

04/05/2008 13:17:00
#95 Jimmy the Pie,

Perhaps they bought a large consignment of oil a couple of months ago?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 04/05/2008 13:51:05
How can they blame only ONE man for their demise?
They are all init together, therefore , with the exception of Frank Field they should ALL go!
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megz,

glasgow 04/05/2008 14:01:13
heard wee wendy going on about how support was increasing for labour since they increased their vote minutely in the by election, i'm guessing she didn't mean the aberdeen one. Funny how she conveniently ignores the things that don't agree with her rose tinted labour view of the world.
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alanh,

ek 04/05/2008 14:08:03
maybe there is home down south for that super intelligent dishonest wendy.
After all she gets 10 out of 10 for her performance up here
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megz,

glasgow 04/05/2008 14:17:36
mon the hibbies lol
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Al Ford,

Insch 04/05/2008 14:24:55
"Minister of the Regions"? He cannot be serious. Scotland officially demoted from kingdom to region by UK government fiat. That will go down well.

Are you feeling all right, Mr Brown?

Why not go a step further and make it Minister of the Subject Peoples?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 04/05/2008 16:17:34
This talk of a referendum by the Labour crew, shows them for what they are.

This idea comes not after last years Holyrood elections but after the ones in England and Wales and Boris becoming Mayor of London.

This idea comes not to put the interests of Scotland and the rest of the Britain first but rather through fear (they hope) to save the interests of the Labour party.

This idea is so warmly embraced by Labour supporters that the same Sunday Mail that reports it does not fail to tell Gordon Brown in it's editorial that he shouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Which is strange if they and the rest of their unionist chums are as certain of the outcome as they say they are.

You can just picture Gordon, (if the news is correct) having a nervous breakdown over what to do, trying to work out whether he should risk it all on one throw of the dice or not, could there still be enough support from the other unionist parties and his media hack pals coupled with another dodgy run referendum to make it work? Wondering as well, how will history remember him! if he is tempted maybe he will make it a British wide referendum just to ensure a few more votes, that's if he can make up his mind if that would work!
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Mike555,

04/05/2008 17:07:45
Gordon Brown is the man that stole your private pensions.
Gordon Brown is the man that sold your gold reserves for a pittance.
Gordon Brown is the man that cries crocodile tears when the price of crude oil goes up knowing he's going to rake in 70% extra tax on every litre of fuel sold.
Gordon Brown is the man that gives to the well off and steals from the poorest by dropping the 10p tax band.
Gordon Brown is the man that wants to relegate Scotland to just a "Region" and its strange that England is not considered a region as well as Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales.
Gordon Brown is the man that was elected Prime Minister without a vote.
Gordon Brown is the man who's popularity with the public will cause Labour to lose the Crewe and Nantwich by-election later this month.
Gordon Brown should go now and live off his non contributary and bloated pension that you and I paid for and he should take that other waste of space Wendy with him.
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Sile,

Down in the Land that Brown Cannot evenSay its Na 04/05/2008 17:39:45
You should worry about being One Region I would be happy with that, he has divided England up into eight regions, with eight regional ministers, this is the reality of lisbon europe my friends and the south east that you get so vitrolic about that is now the region of trans manche and it looped in with some of France from where it will be administered,,

Who was it said 'divided they are ruled', well this lot and Brussels have done hitlers job for him, we have been weakened beyond belief, I suggest that you read the Lisbon Constitution renamed for expediency, cos once Broon ratifies that, fisheries oil gas will belong to Europe, and don't get conned by the opt out cos even if you are independent try and opt out you can but they keep the spoils..
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 04/05/2008 18:48:32
I noticed Broon voting in the London local elections.

Does that mean he does not have a vote in Scotland, at any political level, even in a Scottish referendum
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Sile,

04/05/2008 19:33:41
Well you had better be quick as ratification means resources become european.so you have till the end of the year to decide, because if the union is dissolved after then we will no longer be members, but Europe will keep the spoils..
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yoric,

04/05/2008 19:39:36
108
Brown has failed to get his English regions, he only wanted regions because of his speech defect which stops him saying England.

Gordon Brown, the only person on Earth who can talk about English Health and Education policies, mention Wales and Scotland in the speech but not use the word England, even though of course the policies only apply in England.

Long live the SNP, if Labour won't depose him, in 2 years time his Constituents should.
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see 25 across,

Glenrothes 04/05/2008 20:45:27
Poor Broon, even his Raith Rovers bombed this week.
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Peter Adams,

Kirkcaldy 04/05/2008 21:04:06
Sorry yoric (118) but England already has been broken up into regions (as per EU requirements). That is why in his first cabinet GB appointed some of his cabinet members an added role as Minister of one of the English regions in addition to their "normal" job. Des Browne had the added job for the "Scottish region" UKM on top of his Defence job.
Ref "his Constituents should" some of us are working on that already.
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Buckfastleigh,

Woolfardisworthy, Devon 04/05/2008 21:29:01
What has Boredom Groan done to deserve his just desserts?

In the first place he aimed to deceive us all by proclaiming a 20% Income tax and gambling on what has was his disgraceful burden on the poor by removing the 10% rate in his budget. He plainly aimed for this deceit to emerge in pay-packets after a general election he was havering over.

He never called it and the bad eggs are all smelling around him. More seriously still is his irrational stonewalling over joining the Euro to the extent that we are now in a financial crisis of his own making. Since August the £ has fallen in value by around 20% against the € with consequences only too obvious in the food baskets, the high street and at the pumps. London is the City and what does Boris care about us?

It's not surprising that Boredom gets it in the neck from electors in Wales and England.

It is time Scotland becomes independent and joins the Euro like Malta and Cyprus.
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Niama Zasto,

DUNDEE 04/05/2008 23:13:53
No. 15

A few corrections.
How do you expect to be taken seriously if you cannot express youself with proper precision?

*************************************
The knucklehead Brown still doesnt (doesn't) get it, and he has blown it again. How dare he describe The Nation of Scotland as a Region of the UK.

The halfwit seems to be an ignaramous (ignoramus). Scotland and England signed a Union of Kingdoms (albeit illegal) and that (which) has never ever made us (?) a Region. How dare he even think he can demean our Nation in such a poor way.

I shouldnt (shouldn't) be so angry and should remember he is a nutter, who isnt (isn't) in charge of his actions. Any psychologist would tell you he was Bi Polar (Bipolar)and a severe manic depressant (depressive). He should resign out of Health Issues alone.

********************

Please think before you type!
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Matt there,

somewhere 04/05/2008 23:14:32
Brown plotted against Blair. So 'cabinet plotting against Brown' is fair enough.
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Sile,

04/05/2008 23:16:52
117# Now thats what I call an argument..gosh that must have used a lot of brain power.. disprove it then..
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BrianSJ,

at home 04/05/2008 23:20:49
If England is to get a share of Scotland's oil, I am sure we would be happy to pass on the money at their price of oil for planning purposes - $35 a barrel.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 05/05/2008 00:21:23
Why does an INDEPENDENT country require a secretary? What you have is a Prime Minister and then a Deputy Prime Minister, nothing else.OH DEAR I'm so sorry I've just given you the forecast results from the Referendum on INDEPENDENCE in 2009.That is of course if the SCOTTISH PEOPLE can be bothered to wait that long for the opportunity to get rid of this morally corrupt, and Bankrupt union with england.GOODBYE!!!!
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Mary Bell,

Oklahoma, USA 05/05/2008 01:45:11
I'm an outsider here, but it appears that Mr Brown may have some good ideas, like controlling the bank rates in favor of the citizens, curbing binge drinking, and restoring school policies to the parents. I'm assuming he would approach these issues with compassion and wisdom.

What I think is somewhat 'retarded' is the idea of MORE restriction on cannibis, rather than less. This ancient, useful plant was used by Henry Ford to produce desiel fuel for his automobiles. The oily seeds contain a near-perfect balance of Omega 3,6 & 9 oils for enhanced himan health and ('tis said) can be popped like popcorn.

Cannibis fiber is strong and can be spun to be as soft as silk. Henry Ford used these strong fibers, mixed with resin to form the bodies of his autos.

The current 'unnatural' status of this beneficial plant is the result of the polictical manipulations of the DuPont/Rockefeller cabal to clear the competition for poisonus ground oil, and it's by-product: nylon fiber, in the early 1900's.

Good Luck dear Scotts-
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indune1,

Canada 05/05/2008 03:29:38

129 - Mary, toke less before you post or toke more and post less.
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NemarketNDPer,

Taipei, Taiwan 05/05/2008 04:51:24
When Bush met Brown he likely declared, "Yoh, another Blair poodle, this one without a bark."
BAD POLICY + SPIN = BLAIR
BAD POLICY + ZERO CHARACTER = BROWN
With Brown lacking Blair's razzle dazzle, the only way Brown can survive is to set excellent REAL LABOUR policy for the people, starting with the immediate withdrawl of each and every British soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan!
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Buckfastleigh,

05/05/2008 08:19:17
131. he wont do the "withdrawl of each and every British soldier from Iraq" as he agreed with Blair doing his thing with Bush. No Gordon is in it up to his neck.
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Evia,

05/05/2008 23:34:39
66 Tris

How dare this poxy PM try to take away my Scottish identity. Whatever happens, I am Scottish and always will be.

Maybe this is Stalin Brown's way of easing us into being completely swallowed up by the EU and label ourselves Europeans.

Some good information here.

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/163-europe-wipes-britain-off-the-map/

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/

http://www.tpuc.org/
John James Harris - Freeman of England within Common Law

http://www.stuartwheeler.co.uk/
Why I am suing the Prime Minister, by Stuart Wheeler

 

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