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Browne rejects plea for medals to mark 1940 sinking of Lancastria



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Published Date: 31 December 2007
DES Browne, the Defence Secretary, has formally rejected calls for the survivors and victims of Britain's worst maritime disaster to be honoured with a medal.
In a letter to a MSPs, he said the UK government would not sanction the casting of a commemorative medal to recognise the sinking of the Clyde-built Lancastria during the Second World War.

Last night, campaigners said the letter underlined the "d
ismissive, almost contemptuous" attitude the Ministry of Defence had demonstrated over the issue.

In his letter to Holyrood's public petitions committee, which is considering a plea for the Scottish Government to issue a medal, Mr Browne commended the work of the Lancastria Association, which has been campaigning for the victims to be honoured, and said the sacrifice of the thousands who died "must never be forgotten".

However, he said commemorative medals were instituted only to recognise Royal coronations and jubilees, and he signalled the government did not plan to change this.

He went on: "Official medals approved by Her Majesty the Queen are only awarded for military campaign service, long service, individual achievement and for individual acts of gallantry. There is no tradition in the United Kingdom to offer medals to commemorate specific incidents like the sinking of the HMT Lancastria."

Mark Hirst, of the Lancastria Association of Scotland, condemned Mr Browne's response, which included a suggestion the group might issue a "commemorative certificate" to survivors.

Mr Hirst, whose grandfather survived the disaster in June 1940, said the "patronising reference" to a certificate "sums up the MoD's attitude with regard to the survivors and relatives of victims of the Lancastria disaster".

He went on:

"The MoD has consistently refused to meet with our association. They have refused to designate the wreck site as an official war grave.

"They are also withholding a series of official documents related to the disaster and are now refusing to commemorate Lancastria veterans elsewhere in the UK by striking a medal in recognition of their efforts and supreme sacrifice."

The Defence Secretary's formal response makes it more likely the Scottish Government will issue medals. However, this will mean only the 400 Scots victims will be honoured.

Some 4,000 soldiers and sailors died when the Lancastria was sunk by the Nazis on 17 June, 1940 – two weeks after Dunkirk – while evacuating service personnel from France.

Fearing for national morale, Winston Churchill, the then prime minister, slapped a "D- notice" on the tragedy, banning any reports of the sinking.

Backed by The Scotsman, the families of victims and survivors have been campaigning for a commemorative medal to be struck in honour of the victims.



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  • Last Updated: 30 December 2007 9:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: World War II
 
1

Paula,

31/12/2007 00:25:49
What do they expect from a government who treats the forces with utter contempt?
2

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 31/12/2007 01:04:12
In fairness to Two Jobs, being sunk isn't usually something that merits a medal. The victims and survivors may have done may worthy things but standing by helpless while they were bombed by the Luftwaffe isn't top of the list. Unless everyone who survived and didin't survive the War get a medal, in which case it doesn't mean much.
3

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 31/12/2007 01:40:29
If the UK government refuses to strike the medals, then the Scottish government should do so and make a parliamentary appeal to Elizabeth, Queen of Scots to officially recognize them.
4

A Better Way,

Edinburgh, Scotland. 31/12/2007 01:43:17
#2

Sorry pal but I fail to see your arguement on this one. They were on a noble mission to rescue trapped soldiers, who despite being led by public schoolboys had put up a good fist of trying to halt the Nazi onslaught. Everyone who crewed the ship or where passengers deserve to be recognized for their brave efforts.

I say strike the medal Scottish Government and make sure the descendants in England, Ireland or where ever get their historic right to celebrate the bravery of their ane folk. Money well spent and Scottish Recognition of the location as a war memorial would give many a chance to visit and remember all these heroes.

Make it right Alex, fix up the London callousness.
5

Born to roughneck,

31/12/2007 08:15:36
Has anyone heard how the criminal investigation into party donations is going?? Can we expect swift police action after New Year?? If Wendy is jailed will she be able to keep her seat at Holyrood?? Is brother Duggie, in the frame as well??
Have a Happy New Year
6

Geoff,

sa 31/12/2007 09:25:14
6 Bob-Queen Elizabeths approval is on the advice of her ministers-she is in fact a rubber stamp that has little or no say over the matter.
7

Richardinho,

31/12/2007 09:27:12
Quite frankly what is the point of handing out medals 68 years after the event?! I don't see the point of medals anyway; It's a worthless piece of metal and ribbon, given out by governments so they don't have to show any real gratitude.
8

Penicuik Laddie,

31/12/2007 09:39:17
#2 The survivors and victims did not "stand helpless" while being bombed by the Germans. 2 weeks after the "miraculous” evacuation at Dunkirk the men who found themselves aboard the Lancastria were still fighting the Germans and had been told to expect to meet them on their return to the UK. As the ship was attacked and continually strafed by German bombers the troops on the ship continued firing at them, even when the vessel started to turn over. There are numerous reports of troops who could swim assisting those who could not. Of others who had been rescued diving back in to help comrades struggling in the water. Even the MoD acknowledges that those who died were killed in action. So what does merit a medal? At Rorkes Drift in 1879 the largest number of VCs (11) ever awarded was given out to troops who basically stood there and shot men armed with only spears and shields… Even I could do that.

The men who died on the Lancastria gave the ultimate sacrifice, a sacrifice which was deliberately and officially covered up and which has never been formally commemorated by ANY British Government, despite it being the worst single loss for British forces in the whole of World War 2. These men did not die in a cowardly way. They died fighting to the last, some even singing defiantly as the ship sank beneath them. The survivors witnessed horrors which many still suffer nightmares from. They are angry that their comrades sacrifice has been ignored. The medal represents at last an acknowledgement of what these men endured and what the price the victims paid. For families of victims, like mine, who only received a telegram 2 years after the event stating that they were “lost in France” presumed killed aboard HMT Lancastria it means a great deal. The Scottish Government is finally doing the right thing and the MoD are a disgrace and embarrassment to the memory of those who died.
9

walter,

31/12/2007 09:59:12
These are the main medals issued for WW2 1939-45 Star, Atlantic Star (or Aircrew Europe or France and Germany), Africa Star, Pacific Star (or Burma Star), Italy Star, Defence Medal, War Medal.
Other medals were issued when certain criteria were met.
If any of those who died or survived that fateful day meet the criteria for a medal and were not issued it at the time they or their descendants can still claim it.
There were many vessels sunk around the world are we to strike medals for each and every one.
Although I do not agree with the site not being designated a wargrave I do not believe that a medal for this sinking should be issued.
As for the Scottish government intending to issue a medal just shows their total contempt for those who lost their lives and the survivors of this tragedy.
They know they cannot issue a medal to all but will issue one to some for no other reason than playing petty politics.
10

Richardinho,

31/12/2007 10:01:13
Shame on you walter for trying to turn this into a political dispute.
11

walter,

31/12/2007 10:15:19
#11
I am not, that is the Scottish governments doing with their intentions to issue medals to a tenth of the victims of this tragedy.
12

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfropolis 31/12/2007 10:34:17
How callous the MOD under Browne appear to be. It's not so long since they pardoned the poor souls who were shot for cowardice during the Great War.

I wonder how he would take a request for the exhumation of the circa 1,600 Scottish soldiers dumped in a mass grave at Durham Cathedral?

http://www.dunbarmartyrs.com/
13

Penicuik Laddie,

31/12/2007 10:38:26
# 10, #12, - Walter, the Scottish Government is doing considerably more than the British Government has ever done and they are to be congratulated for that. It is the sheer scale of the Lancastria disaster combined with the subsequent official cover up which led to the British Government refusing to designate the Lancastria an official war grave that sets this incident aside from the other vessels sunk during the war. The British Government should have acted years ago to commemorate this incident and formally acknowledge those who were involved. £59 million was spent by UK Ministers to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar - a medal for all those involved in the Lancastria incident would be a tiny fraction of that and would finally bring closure to victims families and survivors alike.
14

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 31/12/2007 10:45:53
Des Browne clearly does not learn from his previous lack of judgement. He is becoming a hate figure for many people in Scotland (and England for different reasons) for his double-speak and his non-patriotic utterings. How safe is his seat?
15

Roy,

31/12/2007 12:04:20
In denial in 1940.

Still in denial....
16

Jay Kay,

Burntisland 31/12/2007 12:30:12
#15, I would imagine the whole of Nulab are worried about thier seats, its like its "lets make hay whilst the sun shines" kinda scenario so come the next election they are all gona be dumped out on thier a*ses oh and AM2 should really go back to bed he is really a unionist muppet.
17

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31/12/2007 13:24:17
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18

shivago8,

livingston 31/12/2007 13:30:52
He has not read the book,these were brave men and should be saluted,God knows,but Broon does not,bad coming from a man whose father was a churchman,shame on you sir,go and listen to the tale of the Lancastria like I did,and perhaps you might have a change of mind
19

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 13:43:54
I think that for the UK Govt to now designate HMS Lancastria as a war grave would be tantamount to admitting that Westminster is prepared to lie and deceive the electorate, where the ruling party believe it is in their interests to do so.

We all know that this does happen, and they know that we know.
However, they apparently feel that if they maintain the charade of refusing to admit any deception in the past, they will be immune from any future Govt exposing their current deceptions.

Has anyone seen a Labour Party Govt Minister yet to comment upon the great North Sea Oil deception of 30 years ago?
20

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 31/12/2007 16:36:50
Is there a Dunkirk "Small Boat" Medal? is there any example of any other ships crew being awarded Medals directly associated with their ship (being sunk)?

21

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 31/12/2007 16:40:04
# 18

Katharine Lucy Mary Worsley was born at Hovingham Hall, Yorkshire, and was the only daughter of Sir William Arthrington Worsley, Bt., and his wife, Joyce Morgan, daughter of Sir John Fowler Brunner, Bt. and granddaughter of Sir John Tomlinson Brunner, Bt., the founder of Brunner Mond, which later became ICI (Imperial Chemical Industries).

22

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 31/12/2007 16:40:40
# 18 are you sure about The Duchess of Kent???
23

sam the god,

31/12/2007 19:16:15
you have to pay money to the party to get a gong nowerdays
24

Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2007 19:53:08
"Commemorative medals were instituted only to recognise Royal coronations and jubilees, and he signalled the government did not plan to change this."

Aye...
So...
Some royal marriage of convenience lasts a few years and a medal is struck.
4,000 servicemen die.
Which is more important,hmm?
25

Penicuik Laddie,

31/12/2007 20:29:15
#21 yes Fife Flyer there is a Dunkirk commemorative medal (my mother's father has one) and many other examples of ships being sunk where commemorative medals being commissioned thereafter. Good point, thanks for raising it. All the more reason why the British Government should act.
26

walter,

01/01/2008 03:02:37
#26
Was it commissioned by the UK government.

 
  

 
 


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