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Brown to back national armed forces day in honour of troops



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Published Date: 16 March 2008
A NATIONAL armed forces day to honour servicemen and women is set to be endorsed by Prime Minister Gordon Brown this week.
Military campaigners welcomed the idea, but warned it would be seen as an "empty gesture" unless the Government increased defence spending.

The event would involve open days at military bases, parades and talks to schools and youth groups in order
to raise public awareness of the work of serving personnel.

Some campaigners suggested pubs, restaurants and shops could offer free drinks, meals or discounts to uniformed members of the armed forces.

Ministers are thought to have ruled out the idea of an additional bank holiday because of concerns about the impact on business, but a day, most likely in the summer, would be designated as armed forces day.

Dozens of other nations, including the United States, Iran, China, Israel, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, already set aside special days to honour their military.

Campaigners want to see the British public replicate the kind of reception given to the military in those countries, where people shake the hands of servicemen and women and children give soldiers flowers to put in their helmets and rifles.

A UK armed forces day will form part of a package of measures in a report by backbench Labour MP Quentin Davies into how to improve the public's perception of the military.

Other proposals are likely to include events to celebrate the departure and return of troops from overseas operations. Soldiers will also be encouraged to wear their uniforms in public. Defence secretary Des Browne said the Government would give "careful consideration" to Davies' proposals.

"A few days ago I was in Basra and Baghdad and once again I saw first-hand the bravery and professionalism of our forces.

"Their dedication deserves the nation's respect and gratitude. I want to ensure that, as a nation, we show our appreciation to all our troops," said Browne.

The campaign is likely to win the support of the Prime Minister when Davies presents his report to him on Wednesday.

Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, a former adviser to Brown on security, applauded the idea but stressed it was important that the event was not seen as an "empty gesture" at a time when defence spending was being eroded.



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Richardinho,

16/03/2008 00:49:04
Stupid idea. If people want to 'show their gratitude' to the armed forces they can do so now.
No doubt, Brown has in mind a big parade of thousands of soldiers with him having the starring role.
Remembrance day tends to have too many distractions such as wreath laying and remembering the dead. Clearly there needs to be an event that puts the focus of people's gratitude firmly on Chairman Gordon.
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 16/03/2008 00:51:26
PM Broon funds an illegal war then uses or abuses our loyal troops to cover his crimes. Disgusting. Scotland wants to be rid of such mountebanks.
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subrosa,

16/03/2008 00:54:46
# 3

People don't want to show gratitude to our armed forces, not at the moment anyway. They don't feel they are doing any good for the UK. It will take a long time for the people of this country to show any respect to our forces, it has been allowed to dwindle away over the years.

As for this stupid idea. The man wants his head looking. I can't think any of the service people I know will consider it a good idea. In fact I should think they would be utterly embarrassed.
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Richardinho,

16/03/2008 00:59:11
#5

Well I wasn't going to say that, but yeah, what's there to be grateful about? Are we supposed to approach some squaddie, shake his hand and say 'You're doing a wonderful job in Afghanistan' with tears in our eyes-when quite clearly they're doing nothing of the sort?

And, yes, obviously that's not their fault, but the idea of military parades and triumphalism when the war itself is very much un-triumphant is distinctly Orwellian, as someone else has pointed out.
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W Smith,

Middle East 16/03/2008 01:19:25
Alex Salmond can barely disguise his hatred for the British Armed Forces.

His sidekick Angus Roberstson would rather have 'dialogue' with the Iranians who are arming and training the very muslims 'freedom fighters' who are trying to kill Scottish soldiers.

SOME OF US WILL NOT FORGET THIS MR SALMOND!
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Richardinho,

16/03/2008 01:28:32
#7 Are there no depths to which you unionists will not sink?
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Rozz Fyffe,

Scotland 16/03/2008 03:05:08
I respect the troops and celebrate each time they take out one of the enemy.

Trouble is there are so many here needing the same
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/03/2008 03:56:22
Maybe we could have a nice big march of service personel on Westminster. Oh, sorry Mr. Brown they are already planning that themselves. Perhaps spending resonable sums to look after people that you have sent on empty headed military adventures might be better. That however is not Labours style, better just to stick to empty gestures to maximize the spin.
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overton,

Menie 16/03/2008 07:11:32
The armed forces are doing a very good job and deserve our full support.

I would like to see them out of Iraq soon but look forward to them crushing the Islamic extremists in Afghanistan.

An Armed Forces Day is a good idea as would be the return of conscription.

It's time that the UK increased spending on Defence and increased our nuclear defence capability.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 08:28:30
Will it be on May 1st, and will Gordon Brown be taking the salutes as they pass?
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tartan army 2222,

16/03/2008 09:04:32
Another half-baked attempt to garner support for an illegal war that few want. What Broon is missing is that people already support the troops - it's him they are sick of. Attempt after attempt to create a false Americanised (or will Gordon put forward a bill to Americanize our dictionaries) society that hangs out flags and supports their leader at all times without question. Doomed to failure. Bye bye Gordon.
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Tris,

Dundee 16/03/2008 09:07:21

Time to dump this quisling idiot before he goes completely mad.

#7 Are you all there? Do you read any farther than the headline of any article?

~13 Conscription? Where did that come from?

The reason Brown wants this kind of thing is that there will be a big parade in London and he can be seen with the queen and take salutes and look important on the world stage like the president of China. He's a control freak with delusions of grandure.

Instead of all the stupid money that you would waste on that, with dinners for those and such as those, and everybody going out and buying new clothes for the BIG events in LONDON, when not just buy the military what they need to do the illegal fighting that your stupid government has sent them to do. Fool.
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Col.Chi Man,

16/03/2008 09:09:24
Has he been taking gimmick lessons from Eck!
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donald,

glasgow 16/03/2008 09:12:51
Will Parkheid Labour Board be hosting a Troops In rally?
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shivago8,

livingston 16/03/2008 09:24:27
He has realised his mistake when he axed the Scottish Regiments,
I told him quite forcibly with a megaphone in Burntisland,Lochgelly and Kirkcaldy.
He is a big embarrassed man who ran away each time we confronte him.
The Scottish regiments blame him entirely for their demise.
He shred them to save money and he is now having to pay through the nose to get back his credibility.
Sorry Broon for the rest of our lifes we will never forget you and we will tell you so at every given opportunity.
NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT
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Mikey,

16/03/2008 09:34:53
Ah, the khaki vote! It worked for the Labour Parody's mentor, Margaret Thatcher, so now the Broon yin thinks that it'll work for him!
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danielrober,

16/03/2008 09:46:19
Sounds like a good idea.

Is there a chance that this would be held at the weekends? That way families and retired members of the armed forces can enjoy the day too. After all a full22 year career from 18 would only make the retired members only 40.

This is a nice idea, as other countries do this for their guys. So what's the problem?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 16/03/2008 09:46:39
" women and children give soldiers flowers to put in their helmets and rifles." WTF!

Where does this happen?

The symbolism of flowers in rifles is firmly embedded in the 1960's protest movement to stop soldiers killing civilians and subsequent attempts to quell military dictatorships and oppressive regimes, Czechoslovakia, China, Poland, East Germany, Vietnam, Cambodia, Argentina, Portugal, Greece, France etcetera.

This just another Brown attempt to drape himself in the Union Jack. Sadly for his ego, the English voters have seen through him, there's no doubt in my mind, Cameron is the PM in waiting.

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 09:50:32
Like the proposal for an oath of allegience, the Prime Minister should leave this one well alone.

The next thing we'll be returning to the 17th Century idea of billeting troops in every major town and city!

We know only too well how the American Colonists reacted to the imposition of members of the armed services in their towns, cities, and inside
their homes?

It was written into the US Declaration of Independence:

The King of England has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our legislatures, or the people".

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 16/03/2008 10:02:52
Hahahaha the next labour General Secretary!!!!


http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1603_porn_king_ben_dover.shtml
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walter,

16/03/2008 10:11:06
Mr Brown has never seen the look form most Muslims when they see a soldier in uniform or from nationalist when they point out they are Scots who are soldiers and are actually British soldier not Scottish soldier it is the same hatred that was seen in the eyes while patrolling the streets of Belfast.
As for this forces day the troops do not want it, they know that a large proportion of the population neither like nor respect them.
These people would never show their gratitude towards the military even when their houses are flooding or on fire or the rubbish piling up on the streets is rat infested and the local authorities cannot cope due to the scale of the disaster or industrial action and the troops have to deal with it.

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Davex,

London 16/03/2008 10:24:32
The first soliders in the parade should be the wounded - that'll put Brown off the idea!
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subrosa,

16/03/2008 10:38:18
# 21

What's your point? Are you saying that's it's a dawdle serving in the forces for 22 years?

Yes an average career is 22 years depending on regiment and type of work. It is thought that once a man/woman reaches their 40s they are not as fit as they were in their 20s and 30s. Does that make sense to you?

Many, in the past anyway, re-enlisted for further years. With the ingratitude of so many like yourself it's no wonder service personnel don't want recognition from civvie street.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/03/2008 10:42:15
It's not the troops fault, they are just following orders from an increasingly discredited Westminster government.

Like the idea of the widows and other relatives of the dead along with the injured and mutilated at the front of the march, it might just help some politicians develop some honesty about their costly mistakes!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 10:50:54
Pathetic stunt by Brown. No, make that contemptible.

What Brown SHOULD be doing is providing dedicated 1st class medical facilities, and suitable finacial packages, for personnel who are injured in warfare. Not to mention providing proper funding and provision of 1st rate equipment for those at the bleeding edge of warefare. And how about some decent housing for soldiers and their families ? Not the damp-ridden run-down facilities that this country so shabbily provdes.

No ...not Broon. A forces day would be the far far cheaper alternative, and Broon sees a chance to wrap himself in the flag and doubtless many photo-opportunities with our lads to boost his own failing popularity.

Any soldiers out there who want to "take out" this disgusting moral-fraud of a prime minister in a "friendly-fire" situation, I can't say I'd blame them...
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Max Born,

16/03/2008 10:53:21
like the Falklands "Victory" parade where limbless ex-servicemen were banned from attending?

Nu Labour ,improved Nu Labour ,I can,t believe it,s not Tory Labour.
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Strathturret,

montrose 16/03/2008 11:13:52
Brown is now showing that like Blair he is decluded. I rather subscribe to the Charles Clarke view that he is mentally unstable.

Personally I feel no gratitude to the Forces serving in Iraq/Afghanistan. I think they are idiots. They are poorly paid, poorly equiped, poorly looked after if they suffer injuries, their families get minimal compensation if they get killed and the whole projects are of questionable legality and are doomed to failure.

You must be extremely stupid or desperate to go to these theatres. I would support our forces if they were actually defending this country.
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kimba,

16/03/2008 11:27:37
What is wrong with you people! our armed forces deserve some gratitude,they have gone and put their lives on the line for GB,whether they agreed with it or not,you are truly not worse the boots they walk in!
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Tris,

dundee 16/03/2008 11:34:58


In the days when troops were fighting for our safety I could imagine this being a popular idea. Now they are fighting for Dick Cheney's oil, I think not. I just feel really, really sorry for the poor ordinary soldier.

However, I'm all for the extra days off that keep on being proposed here.

I think Blair, Brown, Hoon, Bush and all the other scum who voted for these illegal or pointless wars should be on the front line, along with all these Admirals that don't have ships. They'd soon be getting the equipment they needed if the top brass were out there suffering.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 16/03/2008 11:38:38
A great day when all will be coerced to sing "We'll keep the Red Flag flying here" in the jolly manner precribed for immigrants and schoolchildren. This guy's lost the plot and wants to appear patriotic, British and to rescue what's left of the union. This might be more convincing if we had armed forces that were properly funded for the basics and more than a few ships and aircraft left after his depredations.
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W Smith,

Middle East 16/03/2008 11:40:19
So much for the comments made by SOME snivelling SNP bloggers.

According to one poll in todays Daily Telegraph:

1) Almost 80% of the public support this idea of having an Armed Forces Day.

2) 90% of the public would like to see the members of the armed forces wearing their uniforms in public.

With a SNP massive majority of one in Holyrood the SNP voters would have the rest of us believe we're the ones out of touch with the general public!

Aye right!
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mr angry,

ayrshire 16/03/2008 12:29:32
If people want to sign up and get themselves blown up or shot for this bunch of Labour crooks good luck to them , no reason why the public should care. Another mental idea from a deluded megalomaniac idiot. Be a lot better if the troops had said go fight your own illegal war. Personally I think you have to be pretty dim to think you are doing any good whatsoever going to Iraq or Afghanistan and killing anybody , its of no benefit to our country iin any way. Better to use them to build a decent infrastructure in our own countr ythan blowing up other peoples.
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Richardinho,

16/03/2008 13:20:54
Here's the problem; Politicians love to exploit the armed forces for pointless wars, and for triumphalist parades which give them a starring role (the politicians that is); What they're not so good at is looking after the basic needs of soldiers and veterans. Witness their absolute refusal to recognise the problem of Gulf War Syndrom, even though the USA has.

Exploiting soldiers is not showing gratitude to them. If you want to thank soldiers, do it any day of the year. If the government wants to genuinely do something for them, stop sending them to war with inadequate equipment, and have proper programs in place for them once they finish service rather than chucking them away like damaged goods.
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kimba,

16/03/2008 13:25:58
41. It's not "middle England" that .brown needs to worry about, it's the labour heartland in the north-east of England
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kimba,

16/03/2008 13:36:52
53,spook. The cheek of it! Bouncing quite nicely thanks,how'S It swinging!
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britsout,

scotlandshire 16/03/2008 13:49:57
not british = no support for british institutions , now do you get it ?
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JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 16/03/2008 14:02:04
Just another Gimmick from New Labour.

But to be totally honest, headline catching Gimmicks is ALL that they do anyway.
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:07:29
55. Sorry, think you'll find you are BRITISH,salmond may "talk the talk" but at the end of the day that's all it is TALK!
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:11:16
57,Spook. Less the ned talk,you really shouldn't listen to billious cr-p spouted by the nerds on these threads.
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:18:49
Meths. Very nice,didnae know you were a budding poet!
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 16/03/2008 14:23:58
Wait...for it
Mr Brown may have an idea that is rally really beneficial to us all.
Do not hold your breath though
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:25:24
SPOOK. Do you talk to your customers like that in the bank? you are a very shallow individual,thought you were better than the rest of these brain dead nerds,apparently I was wrong.
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:34:45
If you want to follow the numpy brigade spook,you may need to change your employment! salmonds ar-e licker would suit you fine.
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 14:36:09
Meths the Bard-Salmond seems to be doing a good job and is a likeable and charismatic individual so with Labour commiting slow hari kari as each day goes on I am not surprised that AS and the SNP are riding high in this fortuitous(forthe snp) alignment of the planets! But worry not- a Unionist Knight in Shining Armour will come along(soon hopefullY)...
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 14:40:28
Also slightly off subject, David Camerons dad was born in bonnie Scotland aye,and the previous Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith(nother aye) was born in Scotland! The previous and current NuLab PM's-Scots, the previous two LibDem leaders Scots. With less than ten percent of the UK's population-wow. akes one think specially when I hear some Nats implying that scotland is Englands colony. AND the poor English dont even have their own Parliament!
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kimba,

16/03/2008 14:50:20
spook.LOL!
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 14:51:48
Spook-come on u Gers?
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Furchrissake,

16/03/2008 15:18:46
30 BIG EYE,Paisley 'It's not the troops fault, they are just following orders from an increasingly discredited Westminster government.'

I was just following orders was not a defence permitted the nazis.
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:36:05
79 Meths- I think Iraq was a major turning point. When you think back to previous Labour leaders-Atlee,Wilson,Callaghan-none of them would have joined in an adventure such as Iraq( We were notable by our absence from Vietnam for example) Also there is no doubt that Tony Blair took Labour significantlly rightwards-away from the philosophy that defined it as a socialist party. You can read this as a betrayal of the ideals upon which the party was founded or a recognition of how much Britain had changed post Thatcher. The result was that Nu Labour didnt look much different from NuCon and trad Labourites esp in Scotland, didnt like what they saw. Combine this with the emergence of a reinvigorated SNP under the able SNP, espousing many of the policies of old Labour and there is the answer. Also, the decline of sectarianism and the consequent drop in the Orange factor. Finally the patronising,blundering "defence" of the Union by Blair-handled this issue very badly. Dont know Quo Vadis Labour from here-they are in a bad way with no bright succesor in sight.Pity-although I was not a Labour supporterI also had high hopes for TB.
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:37:24
should be"...under the able AS.."
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:43:11
On the subject,for me the British Armed Forces with their professionalism,their traditions and history are worthy of recognition and honour but an Armed Forces day?...Hmm.
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:45:36
80 Furchrissake-yes but our troops havent done what the nazis did.
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kilkerran57,

Hertford 16/03/2008 15:53:18
The labour party has always despised the military. Brown in particular was loathed by the military as he ignored their needs as a Chancellor, never once visiting the Ministry of Defence, and being responsible for huge cut backs in their annual budgets.
Blair's need to be seen as a world statesman,propelled Britain into "Bush's war" and now the labour party desperately needs the armed forces to bail them out of their own mess, Brown and his half witted front benchers pretend they are pro-army!!!
Let's not forget it was these trendy lefties who abolished the Royal Tournament which was a fantastic annual celebration of the forces, and also destroyed all the great Scottish regiments who traditionally provided HM Government with an effective, ready and loyal army, respected throughout the world.
The mess is yours New Labour. Reap what you have sown!!
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:54:23
84-Exactly! Dont know why politicians are so afraid to admit fault-it would mark them as humans and more honest to boot which ironically would boost their credibility with most people.Able persons the world over often dont make it into politics. Seriously-I honestly believe that people like you and I and some of the others on these forums could do a better job than some of our politicos. As I have said before,I think Gordon Brown is a basically good man,but if he had been in private enterprse he would have been shown the door by now.
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Geoff,

sa 16/03/2008 15:57:47
86 Meths-not a Maggie fan then?! Enjoy your book-off to join the wife on the couch.
87 Kilkerran-well said
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/03/2008 18:39:16
Meths, Geoff various posts. Good to see a discussion on Labour and Gordon Brown without the nasty personal comments you get from some on these threads.

Meths Good to see the Spanish Socialists winning a second term.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/03/2008 18:56:15
Aye lets have an armed forces day so the government can show us all they care but under no circumstances start paying our armed forces a decent living wage nor do as the Americans do and give ex soldiers the chance to go onto further education for free nor help rehabilitate the wounded nor never ever acknowledge the damage done to so many in the first Gulf war due to the anti NBC cocktail they were injected with.
And under no circumstance allow them to work within their traditional regiments ever again.
They are after all as one very famous Lord and General quoted only the scum of the earth.
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Richardinho,

16/03/2008 19:21:01
There seems to be this popular myth amongst politicians that soldiers are not like normal human beings who want decent wages, good living standards, access to education and health care, but are instead happy to be bought off with medals and parades.

Incidentally, I heard a soldier on the radio saying that they generally didn't like parades since it meant attending rehearsals 'out of hours' for which they didn't get paid for, and were basically a big pain in the ar-se, when they'd rather be doing other things.

Likewise, if you were a soldier and went around town in your uniform, how long before being congratulated by everyone was just as tedious as been given abuse?
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overton,

aberdeen 16/03/2008 19:26:37
37 Tris,dundee

You a commie or worse still a muslim extremist?
If you don't support the armed forces and don't like this country why don't you go and live in Pakistan or Cuba.
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subrosa,

16/03/2008 19:33:29
It's time Mr Broon ensured our troops get the protection of the Human Rights Act when they're out of the country fighting his wars. I don't suppose many of you realised our troops weren't protected. It's not something Westminster mentions...
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Edward,

16/03/2008 19:34:08
From the Sunday Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3559480.ece)
'Support for Labour hits 25-year low' - Surely not!
'Labour’s percentage of the vote is the lowest since June 1983' Who was Labour leader in 1983?
'even (Alistair )Darling’s Edinburgh South West seat would fall to the Tories' Really that bad?

Then from the Mail on Sunday : 'Queen furious with Gordon Brown after she was not consulted on plans for patriotic oath'
Just isnt Gordon's day!
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Edward,

16/03/2008 19:40:20
Something a bit skewed in the poll mentioned in the Sunday Herlad
After all how come Alex Salmond can commane a whopping 73% approval rating over Wendy Alexander (Hope Gordon didnt read this, or he will frown all the more), yet the voting intention only shifted by 1 percentage point in the SNP favour - weird. Or its a case of the Lanarkshire citizens actually like Alex Salmond for what he and his party are doing for Scotland, but will continue to vote Labour as there father/mother allways did and they will always do, reagrdles how CRAP Labour are!
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danielrober,

16/03/2008 21:37:56
29 subrosa,

Hope you come back to this article and read my reply.

My point is that many people who served in the armed forces are now in a secondary caeers. Its a great benefit to our country. Still these guys like to talk, drink or even meet up with their mates.

As such an armed forces day would not just be for serving guys but for old soilders/sailors/airmen etc, not all of whom are the age of pensioners.

So let these guys have their day.
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iain morrison,

nairn 16/03/2008 22:29:45
We already have a day when we suitably remember our armed forces its called Rememberance Sunday - Mr Bean's new big idea is just proof that manufactured patriotism is the ulimate destination of all politicians who sell their principles and country for power.I'm quite sure that our soldiers would rather have the correct tools for the job, than a day which would allow opportunistic politicians to cash in on them.
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brownlie,

Glasgow 16/03/2008 23:10:54
Can I suggest that Gordon Brown listens to the song by a fellow Fifer, Eric Bogle - The Band played Waltzing Matilda - before he goes ahead with this fatuous idea.
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Boy Wonder,

17/03/2008 01:00:10
Let's just not bother, eh?
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yockel,

17/03/2008 08:25:48
Chairman Gordo must have been taking lessons from Wendy on how to dig holes. Keep at it Gordo, your doing a great job.
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shivago8,

livingston 17/03/2008 10:39:32
hE HAS TO TRY AND CLAIM BACK SOME CREDIBILITY,AFTER ALL HE RUINED THEM
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shivago8,

livingston 17/03/2008 10:43:18
He has to try and gain some credibility,after all.
HE RUINED THEM.
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Richardinho,

17/03/2008 19:11:05
Interesting article in the Independent at the weekend about Iraq war veterans who'd been injured. Most were furious at the treatment they'd received and felt ignored and let down by the government.

Mr Brown should address these issues rather than coming up with gimmicks like this.
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FTH22inarow,

23/03/2008 09:25:32
Another public holiday, The CBI will soon put a stop to that

 

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