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Brown ignores warnings of another 'fiasco' over car tax



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Published Date: 11 July 2008
GORDON Brown yesterday refused to apologise after being accused of misleading Parliament over plans to reform car tax, as he was warned of "sleepwalking into another 10p tax fiasco".
The Prime Minister brushed aside repeated Tory demands to withdraw his earlier assertion that "the majority of drivers" would benefit from proposals to increase vehicle excise duty (VED) for more polluting vehicles, despite figures proving that only a minority would gain.

The plans, which will start to come into force next April, have drawn widespread concern among Labour back-benchers, who believe they will punish poorer families as they are more likely to own older vehicles.

They believe the plans could be as damaging to the government as the removal of the 10p income tax band.

MPs are particularly annoyed because the changes apply to cars bought since 2001 – punishing drivers for choosing a larger-engined car at a time when they could not have known of the looming tax penalties.

Mr Brown had been backed into a corner when the Treasury published figures showing that owners of 43 per cent of vehicles in the UK – some 9,423,450 – would have to pay more tax once the change comes in.

By contrast, only 18 per cent of the 22 million vehicles on the road – 3,944,700 – would see their annual levy reduce.

The remaining 39 per cent of vehicles – 8,546,850 – would pay the same amount as at present.

George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, said: "Nine million families face higher car taxes at a time when few can afford them.

"Poorer drivers will be penalised because the tax is retrospective and hits second-hand cars," said Mr Osborne. "Any pretence that it helps the environment has been demolished by Greenpeace, which says that it gives green taxes a bad name.

"Everyone knows that the Labour Party is sleepwalking into another 10p tax fiasco."

Mr Brown said he had discussed the issue of increased VED several times in the Commons and had normally referred to the majority of motorists either gaining or not being worse off under the changes.

Car tax rates have been linked to carbon dioxide emissions from vehicle exhausts since 2001. At present, those vehicles with the lowest emissions are exempt from the levy, while those emitting less than average pay a sum below the benchmark £145 annual figure. Vehicles with greater than average emissions pay up to £400 a year.

The government plans, from next April, to extend the number of bands from seven to 13 to link more closely the levy to the environmental damage caused.

The highest rate will increase to £440 – meaning that some motorists could be up to £245 worse off.

The row came as Robin Harper, the joint leader of the Scottish Greens at Holyrood, said the proposals had given green taxes "a bad name".

Mr Harper claimed that the retrospective nature of the car tax proposals showed that it had nothing to do with saving the environment.

He demanded that the UK government, instead, puts forward a schedule of future increases so that people could make an informed choice about what car they drive.

He said: "These taxes are all about raising money, when it should be about changing behaviour. This decision just gives green taxes a bad name.

"By making the tax retrospective, it will not influence the decision to buy a smaller, less-gas-guzzling car. It simply punishes people for a purchase they made in the past."

The full article contains 590 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 July 2008 10:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
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11/07/2008 00:05:25
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 00:09:56
All this on top of Alex Salmond keeping correspondence with Robert Mugabe.
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11/07/2008 00:14:46
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Senga Jean,

11/07/2008 00:20:18
#2 The Great Deception is thon fool Nicol Stephens. I would explain how his observation is nonsense but suspect he would not understand. The SNP must be doing well since all the bugs are coming out of the woodwork.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 11/07/2008 00:28:43
'Brown ignores warnings of another 'fiasco' over car tax'

The huge lack of political acumen in Brown's makeup will ensure his demise.
The death nell of Brown's short premiership lies in the first two words of this headline 'Brown ignores'.
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11/07/2008 00:33:01
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truthsleuth,

11/07/2008 00:50:05
Browns problem is that he gave in to the mob and he is now reaping his reward.
He should have stuck to his guns and ignored the media rabble.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 11/07/2008 01:44:21
Liebaah would not mislead or lie to us. It is all you bad Nats stirring up s!!! over nothing.
After all most Tories have actually benefited from Liebaahs tax changes.It gave most high income earners more disposable income.
Liebahs secret negotiations with Fib Dems worked out just fine for us as well - no Local income tax either coming our way.
The inheritance tax changes meant I can now go and bump off the old biddy and not get taxed.
As Des Browne says - you have never had it so good - why cant you Jocks stop whingeing?
If you cant afford the heating oil or gas central heating or the petrol or the diesel - you can always go swanning it somewhere tropical for most of the year. Is life not great?
Things can only get better under Liebaah. Recession - what recession?
Crikey the anti - depressants really do work!
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 02:01:39
"If you should be a Catholic voter who is easily swayed by Labour postponing the decision on embryo laws, then you might also be interested in our new, once only offer: The Margaret Curran special. We will fudge our view on whether or not the Government were right to go to war with Iraq, we'll throw in a fudged view on whether or not road tax should go up, and we'll fudge the issue on whether or not it's right to detain people for 40 days if suspected of terrorist charges (or if they look dodgy). We'll also throw in a free promise to ask the chancellor to come up and speak to some folk - probably handpicked Labour activists - and ask what they think. So don't forget: it's Labour, it's big, and it's oh so very clever. Vote Margaret Curran."
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 11/07/2008 02:12:12
I know this is way of topic but........why no comments allowed on the story of the MOD having to pay out millions on compensation to those Iraq's, one who was killed?

Is it because Britian being accused of war crimes at such a sensitive time might not look to good?

What politican should we hold responsible anyway?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 11/07/2008 06:16:33
Every time I hear about gordon brown it makes me confirm within myself why o why the union with england is MORALLY CORRUPT and we should be out of it. The pm being SCOTTISH is a further DISGRACE to the SCOTISH PEOPLE....
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SouthernSkye,

11/07/2008 07:17:03
10p tax band
car tax bands
This should be enough to bring NL crashing into the abyss.
Shame we have so many years to wait before they get hoofed out of office and I am not that sure the replacements will be too much better.....cannae be any worse though....can they?
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Jaebee,

Scotland 11/07/2008 07:22:20
Look on the positive side.

With all the extra ROAD tax, they will be able to upgrade & improve all the roads, build new ones etc. so that we do not all sit in traffic jams, which causes even the most economic car to waste lotsa fuel.

I suppose we can all dream.
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JayJay,

Right here 11/07/2008 08:21:45
Can't this man Brown ditch all his spinners and advisors and take a trip to the Forge Market on Saturday, pick anyone at random, and ask them what they think about 10p tax bands and retrospective car tax? I think he may obtain an opinion that, for once, has a connection in the real world.
Brown and just about every other politician has, I think ,seriously misjudged the wider public mood over green taxation. Yep, to the Guardianistas, global warming, and distressed polar bears is the talk of the breakfast table over some organic muesli. Wee Jimmy in Castlemilk however doesn't give a tuppeny toot and probably has a better handle on all of this than a billion focus groups of hand-wringing liberals.
These are stealth taxes, dressed up in what I am sure some smart-alec strategist thought was a stroke of brilliance - ok its a tax, but its good for you! And how do we know this? Because at the same time they are proposing these taxes, plans are afoot to expand roads, build more airport capacity, build airport train links and so on. Consistent or what?
Forcing the very poorest in society to "face up to their green responsibilities" when the odds of them buying a hugely over-priced hybrid Lexus is broadly similar to winning the lottery is electoral lunacy. Then, as if that's not enough, Joe Ordinary can "enjoy", aside from a happy family of historic stealth taxes, a further bonus of hugely over-priced (and privately owned) public transport, giant fuel bills, huge food price hikes and ruinous fuel prices. Oh and job uncertainty to boot.
Yes, Brown is an economic marvel all right. The largest tax take in history squandered on who knows what. I really do hope Glasgow East puts this balloon out his misery.
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Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 11/07/2008 08:23:00

The sands of time are sinking for Broon and soon the tide will have washed away his footprints to trouble us no more.
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Americanbob,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 08:58:54
#15 Southern Skye,
"10p tax band, car tax bands"
Hey brilliant idea! Lets have a tax on bands, that'll cut down all those Orange Order Marches....
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observer9,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 09:15:15
Gordon Brown, our great subprime minister, his cabinet and their advisers are out of touch,incompetent & delusional, there are so many heads stuck in the sand it's frightening.

The Gordon brown "Please don't smile" mantra should also be used by Margaret Curran who tried her best on newsnight Scotland to look a bit pleasant. Cracks, veneer and cloven hoof came to mind.

The questions she got were light yet she still struggled.

To the people of the East End of Glasgow please don't hold onto the decades of labour chains, they have failed you, they are failing all of us, they are a spent force who promise gold and deliver dust.

Time for a radical change,Vote for another party, but please not Labour,it can only get better, surely no one could be as weak as the people who have bled you, sorry led you, to a state that they have the gall to try and capitalise on.

They have a huge responsibility for the decay, they seem to be treating the electorate as fools with no memories or individual thoughts. I hope you prove them wrong.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/07/2008 09:43:22
Ahhhh, the "listening" Prime Minister.

He will never, ever change. a sociopath to his very core!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/07/2008 09:52:26
He tries to utter all the spin words but ends up proving that after all, he is a narcissistic idiot and fails to connect with anyone about anything of importance including the 10p tax band and VED rates. Looks like he's copying the speculators by doing something so ridiculous that people fail to believe it at first but then, he hopes, like sheep they just accept it. E.g. "Petrol will be 150p/litre", "Gas prices to rise by 40%". He's joining in by saying "VED up 25% by 2010". The big lies have to be shot down quickly and a good start is to eject Broon asap.
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Dawn Chorus,

11/07/2008 09:59:01
a startling anti-family measure from New Labour

it's families with family-sized cars who'll suffer most

well done Gordon, you just lost the election

"Scots have never had it so good" - Des Browne (Ex?)MP
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Publius,

London 11/07/2008 10:19:11
#17 JayJay

I see you're right here. You're right on as well.

What's even stranger is that Brown will back down over car tax, like he did with 10 per cent. But he'll wait until it's too late and he'll back down in such a way that everyone will feel they're worse off anyway
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bluehead,

edinburgh 11/07/2008 10:48:58
it is not the car tax that is the fiasco it is brown himself I wouldn't give him a job shining shoes.
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Eddie the Eagle,

Aberdeen 11/07/2008 10:53:49
If anyone is interested the loophole around this, if you want a big car, is to buy a Yank or Jap imported car. They will continue to be taxed under the old engine size system as they have different emmisions testing criteria. So your 6.7 litre imported Dodge Charger will cost you £180 per year to tax. In the 6 weeks it'll take you to get it sourced and imported petrol prices will probably have reached £180 per tank though.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 11:26:34
#4:

"You mean the eleven years of posturing and bitch slapping had no effect and he had the plums to recognise how badly he'd furqued up and legged it?"

In a nutshell. Whatever Blair my be---and I think his is the most despicable excuse for a man who ever walked the face of the earth---he is not stupid.

I used to watch him in the early years and cringe at how obviously correographed and arranged all his speeches and actions were. I could see through him as though he was a newly polished set of double glazing, but critically for this country, the majority could not.

Normally you see these things retrospectively. In the case of Ross Brawn leading Schumacher and Ferarri to victory under difficult circumstances, you can look back at it and only then can you see the reasons why he made the decisions he did. That is a mark of true genius.

Blair and his advisers wer not, however genii and as a consequence, I could see the reasons why they were saying and doing what they were AT THE TIME THEY WERE DOING IT. It was incredibly painful to watch them lie to and cheat the British public without anyone daring to contradict them.

Blair realised that labour had reached a turning point. He hung on just long enough to ensure that Brown would have a hard time, then he left.

All I can hope for is that this spells the end of stupid labour for good and the sooner that happens, the better.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 11:29:14
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Eddie,

A Dodge Charger will be absolutely fine... ...until you reach the first corner!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/07/2008 12:06:11
Using a word my mother might have used the boy is "glaikit". Plenty of intelligence allegedly, but all the common sense of a house-brick. A bit in fact like the now-departed Wendy, but the still all-too-present Dougie.

Maybe what he meant originally was that most of car models would benefit from the tax changes, but when you weight it with the actual numbers, its evident that that statement was intended to deceive or at least be ambivalent. He could give lessons to Arfur Daley.
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Eddie the Eagle,

Aberdeen 11/07/2008 12:49:17
#28 - It does handle well round the tax issue though!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

11/07/2008 13:02:06
The higher above-inflation road tax is not being faced by 9 million drivers but by those with the most polluting cars (band G). For those driving cars registered after 2001 and that are not high CO2 emitters the rise will be around £5-£10 per annum. For example,my own car is in the second highst band - Band F - I will pay £210 next year - that works out as a rise of £5 (up from £205 last year). That is a rise of 2.44% - below the present inflation rate.

But then Maths has never been a strong point for journalists or opportunistic opposition politicians.

Also papers such as the Guardian have pointed out (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/mar/15/budgetcartax) motorists can still drive 4x4s and bigger engined cars if they choose the right model.

This will be particularly important from next year when the new showroom tax comes in. It is this tax that motorists will face the large road tax increases from. It will not affect existing motorists but anyone purchasing a new vehicle - the easiest thing to do would be to shop around and found a similar model (preferably diesel) to avoid the large increases due to the showroom tax.

I am more concerned about the price of fuel itself than the increase in road tax.

18 months ago, in Dundee, we were paying 83p per litre. Now fuel is a lowest 117p a litre. Instead of getting 61 litres per £50 spent we now only get 42.7 litres per £50 spent. It now costs me £53 to fill up instead of the £37 it did 18 months ago. I use a tank a week - if prices remain as they are - I will be paying an extra £832 over the next year.

The government could be doing a lot more to help motorists in terms of fuel duty. Because of soaring oil prices the government have gained an extra £1.3 Billion in North Sea oil tax revenues(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/fair_deal_for_drivers/2033733/Alistair-Darling-pressured-to-scrap-fuel-duty-rise.html).

Why not look to reducing the or at least freezing the rate of duty on petrol/
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

11/07/2008 13:03:55
#30 Spook - tha vast majority of those paying more tax will pay £5-10 more - that's less than inflation. the only reason the Tories are getting worked up about this is that their pals in the Chelsea Tractors are getting hit.
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Edward,

11/07/2008 13:35:33
Brown has vene p*ssed of the Nigerians!
THere has been a tenious cease fire between the Nigerian government forces and rebels.
Brown unthinking openly offers to supply arms to Nigeria
Guess what? the cease fire is off, thanks to Brown
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11/07/2008 14:51:07
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W Smith,

Middle East 11/07/2008 15:33:04
The irony.

Gordon the socialist introduces a 'poll tax on wheels' a description used by one Labour MP.

Now its left to the Tories to point out that many working class folks can't go on like this.

SO MUCH FOR ROBIN HOOD SOCIALISM.

Robin Hood in reverse gear more like - if you'd pardon the expression.

The tax on fuel won't bother multi-millionaire Labour supporters Alex Ferguson and Billy Connelly.

When you've got millions in the bank whats a few bob more on a litre of petrol?

NEVER HAVE THE SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY, AND THEIR 'GREEN' MILLIONAIRE SUPPORTERS, BEEN SO MIDDLE CLASSS AND OUT OF TOUCH.

BTW
Tam Dalyell was anti-Blair but now is strangely quiet on the perfromance of the fly fifer!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 16:37:03
#31:

Granted. But it ain't goin' to handle the fuel tax issue very well though! 6.7 litres! Christ! I thought I had a large engined car when I owned a 6.0 litre V12 Jag! I struggled to get that into the low 20s, even on a run.

How many to the gallon is a s0dding great Yank V8 going to do? Not many I suspect. Mind you, it would sound brilliant when you floor her at the lights! I'll give you that!
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Iain's,

11/07/2008 17:33:00
Gordon Broon, a great son of the manse has a great idea. Tax big motors.

Who buys big motors?

People with big families, like immigrants and .............oh dear, I better not say,......might be seen as sectarian.

More seriously, it is just the politics of envy. Broon's dad could not afford a big motor so we all have to drive around in wee motors like he had to as a child.




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Citylocal Fife,

Diametrically opposed to Gordon Brown 13/07/2008 09:54:54
Gordon Brown:

I am sure he is no longer sane, at least when Blair told lies, you could read the look in his cunning little face and you knew he was lying, he knew he was lying, and he knew that you knew he was lying. It's what politics is all about.

Gordon Brown is an even more pathetic figure, he knows he is lying, but he pretends that you don't know that he is lying. I suppose it's all to do with his phantom religion.

Time he went!
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it has always been allan,

13/07/2008 10:21:05
This is no way a green tax it is a tax tax to fill labour's coffers to give to the public sector to get votes
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Lobo,

Texas 13/07/2008 14:41:56
Where's Churchill when you need him? Perhaps we could send over Al Gore to solve all your problems. He would fit right in. He doesn't like cars, guns or knives. Unless their his of course. Oh and look up his house on the Internet. It waste more energy than a small town. If you would take keep him It would solve a lot of our problems.
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Agent 99,

13/07/2008 20:44:49
[38] High Octane: Big V8 (the real ones) don't do much. In the 1980s while in Arizona I had a Pontiac Catalina; a true road going version of the USS Nimitz. It was a 2 door 1970s model, each door being bigger than today's Smart, and hadn't lost its bollos with all that catalytic converter stuff. It ran on regular gas and did ahout 10mpg (us galls of course). At 90c / gall it was a real statement. I think it had a V8 360cu inch (the Americans were always useless with cc displacements) engine. There were bigger engines, I think another model had a 400cu inch, but, well, enough is enough. It would make all the Nissan 260Z knobs eat dust from the lights. Oh yeah, just one other thing, it didn't corner. Period.

Cool car, I'll never see its likes again.

 

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