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Published Date: 05 July 2008
LABOUR is to order virtually all of its Scottish MPs and MSPs to campaign in Glasgow East as it prepares for a "big fight" with the SNP in a knife-edge bid to save the Prime Minister.
Party chiefs have e-mailed the 39 Scottish Labour MPs at Westminster asking them to turn out, while MSPs have agreed to put campaigning for the party leadership at Holyrood – which is currently in recess – on hold until after the 24 July polling day.


Labour launched its opening salvo in the life-or-death by-election yesterday with a visit by Cabinet minister Douglas Alexander and four other leading figures to the constituency to convince voters to stay loyal to the party.

Mr Alexander, the UK International Development Secretary, told The Scotsman: "We are working hard to win. We are not taking the voters for granted."

Senior MP Tom Clarke, who joined Mr Alexander as he toured Baillieston, said: "I think this will be a very hard fought campaign and so it should be.

"We have learned a lot of lessons from recent by-elections. We simply have to make sure we put up a big fight. We have done that in the past and we have won. Nobody, but nobody, is prepared to take this for granted."

With the future of Gordon Brown at stake after humiliations in the Crewe and Henley by-elections, Labour MSPs Charlie Gordon, Pauline McNeill and Ken Macintosh also joined in the canvassing.

And The Scotsman has learned Labour activists across the UK are being roped in to canvass potential voters in Glasgow East by cold-calling them from phone banks across England, and in Glasgow and Edinburgh, to check whether the party is addressing "issues of concern" to them.

Today Alex Salmond, the SNP First Minister, will try to ratchet up the pressure on Labour by accompanying the Nationalists' candidate, John Mason, on a shopping centre visit.

Then, next week, Tory leader David Cameron and former leader Iain Duncan Smith will visit. Their aim will be to embarrass the Prime Minister, who is expected to follow convention and stay away from the by-election, even though it is in his party's heartland.

Labour was last night selecting its candidate from a short-list of three: George Ryan, who was considered the favourite, Irene Graham and Doug Maugham.

On the ground, The Scotsman found clear signs of support for the SNP, which has to overturn a 13,507 majority in Labour's third safest seat in Scotland if it is to inflict the third by-election defeat this year on Mr Brown and condemn him to consider resignation or limp towards a likely General Election defeat.

The SNP's chances were boosted by the decision of former MSP Tommy Sheridan not to stand for the Solidarity party. Bookmakers William Hill made the SNP 5/6 joint favourites with Labour.

Mr Mason, an SNP Glasgow city councillor, accused Mr Brown of "running scared". Mr Salmond said: "This by-election is an opportunity for people in the East End of Glasgow to send a message to London."

The by-election was called after sitting Labour MP David Marshall stood down on health grounds.

Mr Clarke told The Scotsman: "MPs will be there, MSPs will be there and I have no doubt Cabinet ministers will be there."

He added: "Douglas Alexander and I did quite a bit of Baillieston. We had a very, very good response. I don't want to be complacent – there is a lot of hard work required, but if we can do that we will hold the seat comfortably.

"I think a lot of Labour people who would not have voted realise this time their vote is particularly important. From what I was getting on the doorstep, they have a very, very good understanding of where the Labour government is and how important their constituency is.

"There are quite a lot of people who feel that Gordon Brown has been given a hard time. Glaswegians are like that. They're more likely to support people under attack."

WHO'S WHO

SNP

John Mason, 51


Leader of the SNP opposition on Glasgow Council, and a long-time resident of the city's East End, Mr Mason is councillor for the Ballieston ward.

An accountant by trade, he works full-time as a councillor, and is viewed very much as the voice of SNP at a local level.

He has a reputation as being combative in council dealings and has hard-line views on independence.

In March last year he was banned from meetings for nine months after he occupied the lord provost's seat in protest at changes in the voting system of the council.

Those who know him say Mr Mason is personable and extremely hard-working, as shown by his membership of every council committee and sub-committee.

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS

Ian Robertson, 30


A maths teacher at Bellahouston Academy in Glasgow's South Side, he was born and educated in the East End.

The youngest candidate, Mr Robertson's student background was in politics and debating, campaigning for the Liberal Democrats at Dundee and Strathclyde universities. He was the president of the Strathclyde Student Union.

Mr Robertson has said that he would be a "strong local champion" on unemployment and crime issues. He has claimed that "local people are feeling let down by Gordon Brown's Labour government."

In addition to playing the local card, Mr Robertson has also said that he is confident that he can make inroads into the Labour vote, attracting disillusioned voters.

CONSERVATIVES

Davena Rankin, 35


A veteran of previous Glasgow by-elections, in Cathcart and Kelvin, she will have her work cut out to make an impact in a two-horse race between Labour and the SNP.

Party sources believe her capable and intelligent, but nobody holds out much hope for her prospects in the polls.

As a non-white woman and a leading trade unionist, she is not the typical Conservative candidate. She was brought up in Glasgow, before going to Sussex University. Ms Rankin did Royal Navy basic training as an officer in 1997 before moving to Glasgow University to develop its commercial and entrepreneurial initiatives.

She is now the commercial manager for Research & Innovation Services at Glasgow Caledonian University.

LABOUR

George Ryan, 45


Tipped widely to be the Labour candidate, Mr Ryan is head of the council's pivotal development and regeneration department, and councillor for Shettleston.

Born and raised in the East End, he will make much of his involvement in the many regeneration projects currently under way in the area.

There are two other potential candidates short-listed: Irene Graham, a former Glasgow councillor and Doug Maughan, an airline pilot.





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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 00:06:03
"Mr Alexander, the UK International Development Secretary, told The Scotsman: "We are working hard to win. We are not taking the voters for granted."

Funny that. Labour did not exactly campaign hard for this seat during the last elections...

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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 00:10:49
"And The Scotsman has learned Labour activists across the UK are being roped in to canvass potential voters in Glasgow East by cold-calling them from phone banks across England."

Is this wise? The country already are annoyed that the people phone up to try and sell you things over the phone...
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democrate,

central Scotland 05/07/2008 00:18:54
How did Tom "I voted for the retention of the John Lewis list" Clarke have the brass neck to campaign in this constituency?
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JulietB,

Inverness 05/07/2008 00:23:42
I know the SNP candidate from working with him several years ago and I know of the Liberal candidate. Both decent individuals but I have to say John Mason would rock a few boats down in Westminster so if I was local Id be voting SNP
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Traquir , Alba,

05/07/2008 00:28:28
From The Herald it would appear to confirm that
Ryan might pull out or in fact has already
pulled out :)

"George Ryan, appeared to pull out of the running at the last minute for family reasons."

Perhaps they need a proven staunch Unionist like
Foulkes or Baillie - please, please.

see - tinyurl.com/62nlmo

Also good on Tommy Sheridan for kicking to
boot into Brown in the same article :

"I'm not going to be dishonest to the electorate," he said. "We don't think we have a realistic chance of winning at this stage. We have got no problem with the SNP winning this election. Solidarity will be pleased to see the demise of Gordon Brown."

Saor Alba
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Senga Jean,

05/07/2008 00:31:25
Where is the Labour candidate, Stop fooling where is he/she. Surely not a McCavity,?
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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 00:41:52
20 Ken_Fitlike.

I was shocked at the brutality of Question Time the other night also.

Least it shows the Nats in a better light then the Unionists who keep on whinging.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 00:51:42
What is the force that drives us toward such mediocrity that we believe in any political party that would have us make such a choice when there is no choice. It is time to throw off the fleece and vote with the teeth and talons that democracy gave us.

Better a big fish in a small pond perhaps ... I cannot be the only one who tired of seeing a society in which we are bullied and ignored.
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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 00:57:11
27 Ars Gratia Artis.

Weapons?

What are you on about exactly?
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Richardinho,

05/07/2008 01:00:28
As an SNP member, I hope the SNP win, obviously, but I'd advise every living in this constituency to seriously ask if Labour has really improved their lives. If not, I'd suggest they vote for any other candidate that they think might make a better job.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/07/2008 01:20:47
Are Lyndall and McGinty just thick. Or are they being deceitful? Why no mention of the aircraft carriers? Which is Brown Dog's big by-election bribe.
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Dawn Chorus,

05/07/2008 01:21:28
remember... we've never had it so good

thanks New Labour, for nothing

Vote SNP and give them a well-deserved bloody nose, it's the only option
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Edward,

05/07/2008 01:41:34
'Party chiefs have e-mailed the 39 Scottish Labour MPs at Westminster asking them to turn out'
No doubt it will include the 17 leetches that voted to retain the 'John Lewis' shopping list
The good people of Glasgow East would be well within their rights to ask for a John Lewis voucher from them, after all they paid for it!
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 05/07/2008 01:41:57
Classic comedy from Labour on both sides of the border.

A by-election that the Bean will not attend even though his career rests upon the outcome, and they havent even got a candidate yet.

Go on Labour show us you care.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 01:51:23
'Labour was last night selecting its candidate from a short-list of three: George Ryan, who was considered the favourite, Irene Graham and Doug Maugham'

Sorry Scotsman, youve been wrongly breifed by Labour
apparently George Ryan did a runner and Labour have posponed deciding who their candidate will be on Monday evening next week! Its actually reported in the Herald. Labour are in a shambolic state!
Can just imagine Labour MP's being bussed in and the first question that Joe punter asks 'an who is the Labour candidate?' erhm Dunno!
It is understood that Mr Ryan's partner is reluctant for him to seek the nomination, Steven Purcell, leader of Glasgow City Council, will come under party pressure to seek the nomination
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Richardinho,

05/07/2008 02:15:35
If there's even an outside chance of Labour losing this seat it would almost certainly be dumped on the losing candidate. Telling, that no-one wants to be the fall guy.
Shurely there must be some labour stooge who has nothing to lose, someone who has already been humiliated as far as it's possible to be-someone perhaps who has recently lost their job?
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Nit-Nat,

05/07/2008 02:26:14
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Are you talking to us all about maturity and BS buzzwords? You always refer to "Liebour", while I don't them as much a you, I can't help but notice how much the dregs of the SNP have in common with the dregs of Labour.

It is professional agitator v professional agitator in Scotland, child v child, it is ruining Scotland and if only you could take your own advice.
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Traquir , Alba,

05/07/2008 02:39:36
So comrade Ryan cannae be bothered going down
tae London town - perhaps he would be better off
with Independence and he would just have to
travel to Edinburgh :)

LOL, what delicious irony if only the election
had not been so rushed then Labour would have had time to prepare :)

Here I think is the real reason they don't want Georgie
Boy being their candidate, or of course it
could be the book banned
Halls Of Infamy blowing his involvement in sleaze -

see -tinyurl.com/5hd5ec

Basically he opposed flying the Union flag and God Save
The Queen in Glasgow in favour of flying the
saltire and use the song Flower of Scotland instead :)
Can this Labour farce get any better - I have tears
in my eyes and am not sure how much of it I can
take - perhaps their latest cunning ploy is for the SNP
to die laughing :)

Now the excuse is that he does not want to go down
to Westminster - who can blame him.

All we need now is to have them nominate Foulkes or
Baillie for the circus to be complete.

However most likely it will a Glasgow Labour Councillor, which reminds me has anybody managed
to get their hands on a copy of Halls of Infamy
about the endemic sleaze
in Glasgow City Council ? Apparently it has now been
removed from Borders shelves in Glasgow's West End
and a full scale ban and censorship appears to be
in force. It would serve the SNP greatly if
somebody can their hands on this latest set
of Labour sleaze and/or
can track down the author Niall Walker. Hopefully
they have not bumped him off - he appears to have
disappeared.

Saor Alba
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 02:56:59
The East end of Glasgow is now being regenerated due to the Commonwealth Games ? also didnt the SNP try to stop SportsScotland being moved to the EastEnd of Glasgow and did a quick Uturn on that booboo in January ??? Nopw that alone wont be forgotten by the East Enders...
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 03:01:41
And Salmond also said that if he didnt get a Yes for Independence he would keep having referendums till he got the right answer...something like Mugabe did in Zimbabwee ..he just keeps having Elections till he gets the right answer ..No wonder Salmond admires him so ....
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/07/2008 03:03:50
And how many unemployed Jimmies are now working for SportsScotland?
I suspect zero or the next best thing to it. Save yer breath, mesun.
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Richardinho,

05/07/2008 03:05:11
'The East end of Glasgow is now being regenerated due to the Commonwealth Games ? '

Which Alex Salmond helped to bring to Scotland, if you cast your mind back.
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clochoderic,

05/07/2008 03:26:38
Canm I just repeat that Dougie Alexander is an over-promoted trumpet?
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 03:37:50
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A Tube(ah)?
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/07/2008 03:48:17
A brilliant thought overcame me - or maybe it's just a side effect of the box wine I've been drinking - but isn't it ironic and cosmic that the fate of the union and the future of Scotland could be decided in East Glasgow?
And that the future of the nation may come down to the will and the wishes of the Mhairis and the Jimmies.
The most depraved, oppressed, unfortunate, desperate, humorous, heartwarming and resilient people in the country finally are empowered beyond their wildest dreams.
Brown's job in the balance, SNP's dominance, the irrelevance of the LibDem/ConScot opposition, the carrier bribe, the wolves salivating back in Westminster.
Does it get any better than that?
Or do I need to upgrade my wine selection?
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Traquir , Alba,

05/07/2008 04:07:02
53 Neil Waugh,

Excellent post. To your question does it get any better, I just
had a vision of the Unionistas bloggers here making their way
down to Glasgow East in all their Unionist splendour.
Can you imagine the campaigning efforts of the likes of Boudica,
Number 6, AM2 and Highland Mighty. Truly a sight for sore
eyes :) Of course these guys are so delusional they might
even do this, then the circus would be complete.

I await the Unionistas following to the letter their
Guide on How to Preserve The Union

see tinyurl/5ncw8z
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 04:16:28
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Pity they will all be in Blackpool...
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TommyKaye,

UK 05/07/2008 04:30:47
Went to Glasgow once for a laugh............came back in stitches
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Andrew D,

BNE 05/07/2008 05:01:04
I just hope that the people in Glasgow step up... actually see behind the bull they have been fed and meekly accepted (my grandfather voted... and my father voted... so I'll vote...) for way too long and make a stand.

Yes, the SNP has won in Glasgow before but never from this position.

Unlike the bookies though I don't think this is at all an easy one for the SNP. I think it will take a lot of work from them because I - since I'm thousands of miles away probably can't get the pulse of the people - find it hard to imagine Labour voters in such numbers changing their vote.

(Honestly... the whole my grandfather/father voted thing turns my stomach. I was part of campaigning years ago in Glasgow and Paisley and the amount of times I heard that - almost apologetically said sometimes, as if they had no choice! - at the doorsteps really lowered my opinion of people in general a few notches)
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/07/2008 05:02:03
Fu(k Traquir, your box wine is better than mine. The delusional circus would be a great You Tube item.
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somerferg,

perth 05/07/2008 05:35:33

Oh this is going to be a good one. Remember how nasty the monkeys with red rosettes were before the Holyrood election - well you ain't seen nothing yet! The monkeys with red rosettes may be sh.te at running the country, always lining their own pockets and keeping the plebs ignorant but one thing they are good at is NASTY politics. Words like the truth, honesty and fairness don't even register with them. As for some of the stupid pro-monkey comments on this thread all I can say is hopefully the colletive memories of the people of the east end of Glasgow will be long enough to remember how Labour has (and continues) to shaft them! and vote instead for the only party which looks after their and Scotland's best interests and who are not answerable to the great unwashed of the south east of engerland.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 05/07/2008 06:49:37
labour mps wont have time to canvas they will be to busy filling in the snout in trough expenses claims
gordon brown does not have the bottle to face the people of the east end and the poverty unemployment and deprivation the labour party has created over the last 50years in the east end with there policys,wee dougie alexander another eejit who ruined the holyrood elections the guy could not run a message never mind a dept of goverment
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LEAL,

05/07/2008 06:52:37
59 somerferg
We've seen dirty tricks from Labour before.They have no positive arguments for remaining in the union,so they have to be negative and rely on dirty tricks.While it may help them in the Glasgow East byelection,it will come back to haunt them in all the elections to follow.Scots are sick of being told they are to useless to run their own country,and are sick of London rule.The dirtier Labour play this one,the better it will be for the SNP and Scotland in the future.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 07:02:05
I asked for expense details from the London parliament, on Ann McKechin, MP for Glasgow North, David Cairns, MP for Inverclyde and Edinburgh North & Leith MP, Mark Lazarowicz. I also asked for info on His Lardship, Lard Foolkes from the Hoose of Lords @ foilords@parliament.uk.
They are very helpful, even acknowledging my enquiry and promising details next week.


I was going to enquire about George Ryan but seemingly he never showed up at his acceptance meeting!!!!
Looks like Purcell, so its his financial details I'm after.

Might find them in HALLS OF INFAMY?????
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 07:05:48
From today's Timesonline

Labour’s campaign in the crucial Glasgow East by election got off to a shambolic start last night after the party failed to select a candidate to fight the seat.

Party members were widely expected to back Glasgow city councillor George Ryan to contest the seat in the July 24th by election.

However, Mr Ryan failed to show up at the crucial meeting last night and it’s understood he is having second thoughts about standing for Westminster.

The SNP last night claimed Labour’s campaign was in disarray. A Spokesman said: “The wheels have come off Labour’s campaign, they don’t have a leader and now they don’t have a candidate.”
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 07:07:47
Was this the reason Ryan $hit himself??????


However, Cllr Ryan was set to be quizzed about remarks he made to a Cabinet minister five years ago about the Union Flag and the national anthem. Cllr Ryan told David Blunkett they were not “universally welcomed” symbols in the West of Scotland.

Cllr Ryan told David Blunkett in 2003 that because the flag and anthem had sectarian and offensive overtures for some Scots, the council would exclude them from a pilot scheme for citizenship ceremonies in the city.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/07/2008 07:09:02
The job of our Government is to govern and not be over-concerned about "popularity". After all, should senior politians be subsequently voted out, they'll suffer no financial hardship - there are jobs in the EU and global corporations - it's only a dunt to the ego.

The scottish administration rather than government has to do the best for us from its restricted capabilities. This includes the notorious old boys club in the Scottish Office who can only be sacked at great cost of golden handshaking however incompetent they are. Whereupon they'll relocate to another high salaried executive post.
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John S,

05/07/2008 07:09:33
Gordon Brown hopes to rise above his troubles on global tour.
For much of the next three weeks, as his party battles it out with the SNP in another critical by-election, the Prime Minister will be out of the country attending summits, visiting trouble spots.
Tomorrow Mr Brown will climb aboard a private charter aircraft to take him the 5,500 miles to Hokkaido, in northern Japan, for his first G8 summit. He will be there until Thursday.
He will miss his weekly duel with Mr Cameron on Wednesday. Harriet Harman will fill the breach as Mr Brown.
The Prime Minister will then be popping over to Paris for an informal get-together - grandly entitled the Mediterranean summit - with EU leaders and others.
Mr Brown will be back in time for his last Prime Minister’s questions of the summer before heading off again the following weekend, July 20 and 21, to the Middle East for a 6,000-mile, 20-hour round trip during which he will hold talks with leaders from across the region.
Then he will face the chill reality of British politics again. Glasgow East votes the following Thursday.
After all that Mr Brown will go on holiday - somewhere in Britain, according to friends - before travelling to Beijing (another 10,000 miles there and back) for the last few days of competition and the closing ceremony, as the Chinese capital hands over to London for the 2012 Games.
Only two weekends ago he made a 6,000-mile round trip to Jedda, Saudi Arabia, to spend only a few hours on the ground discussing oil prices.
The Times July 5, 2008 - http://tinyurl.com/6rowoh
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05/07/2008 07:16:20
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 07:32:23
I fear Our Dear Leader Comrade Broon is losing his sanity

Claiming he is 'disappointed' that his Sleaze MP's voted to retain their 'perks'. Free vote on this, 3 line whip on 42 day detention??

New Labour Sleaze have become an utter laughing stock.

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 07:34:37
If Comrade Broon was sectioned under the Mental Health Act would he be the first PM removed from office for being insane?????

If he was sectioned would he still be able to enjoy his many perks???
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 05/07/2008 07:36:49
How can ANYONE vote for Labour...people of east Glasgow only need to look around them to see what Liebore have done for them...sweet FA.
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05/07/2008 07:43:13
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Fenland Farmer,

England 05/07/2008 08:01:58
Whilst watching this week's BBC question time from Scotland, a worthy informed us that the Scottish education system was superior to that of England. Hence the large number of Scot's in the UK Government. Whilst I was smiling at that particular bit of twaddle, the ZaNuLabour chap had spoken about Brown being the only person able to guide the UK out of the current financial challenge.
The worrying bit was that half the audience applauded at the end of his prattle.
Let's hope the cold calling does the job !

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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 05/07/2008 08:06:02
Browns Clowns have signed their own death warrant by voting to maintain their "John Lewis" unaudited expenses.

The people of Glasgow East will deliver them such a drubbing that they will all live in fear of the next General Election.

Brown may even resign, as it become apperant that Labour is headed for a defeat of historical proportions at the next general elections.

Whichever Buffon they chose to replace him with will not matter. Come election day most of these Clowns will be looking for a New Circus
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terry osser,

morden 05/07/2008 08:25:47
maggie is finished?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 08:31:21
All the SNP needs to do to win is to have a big trough somewhere out of the way. Keep topping it up with cash and white goods and that should distract the Labour MPs and MSPs for the duration of the campaign. Simple yet effective.
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jdships,

05/07/2008 08:31:24
One of he problems facing the SNP in this constituency has the "Ma Grandfaither and ma faither voted Labour and a'll be votin' Labour" syndrome.
It is still around in the West of Scotland - believe me.
Be an interesting campaign - methinks !!
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jacquesmac,

In the Norwegian Mountains with Aase's pony 05/07/2008 08:38:30
46 and 47 Boudica

What did the Romans ever do for us?

Mmm, let me think, apart from Central heating, Republicanism, piped water, latrines and a few other things they sure the Hell stuffed you.

Which is exactly what the people of Scotland are going to do to you and your Unionist wee pals on the 24th of July

Today is the 5th and ZaNuLab haven't even got a candidate nevermind a clue about how they are going to fight the election on the 24th, apart from all the usual gerrymandering tricks.

What was that tune Kinnochio used to play run onto the party platform?

"Things can only get better"

You would think that having slid so far down the greasy pole that they might expect some sort of heartflicker to indicate that the patient is in recovery. Turns out it is not the Pole that is greasy but the labour party itself.

Welcome to the abyss, a generation or so in two parallel universes awaits. Free Scotland and a permanently Tory Engerland.

I really feel sorry for the decent hard working English and Wlsh in Newcastle, Manchester, Cardiff, Liverpool and most other points north of Birmingham. You lot of pin striped lattee chattering socialist have sold Scotland and the aforementioned decent people down the toilet for so long.

We are about to kick you lot out good and proper.

As a Troll you can always reinvent yourself but as functioning human being it is not going to be so easy

You can run but you cannot hide

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donald,

glasgow 05/07/2008 08:43:27
English Labour HQs have been cold calling Scottish by elections since the Hamilton by election, when they had to bus activists up from Englerland and pay to have posters put up and leaflets delivered.
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LEAL,

05/07/2008 08:45:05
75 draco

excellent idea.Have tou had training in tactical matters?It would have to be a very big trough though.Labour MPs dont do anything for nothing.Not even for their own party.
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jacquesmac,

In the Norwegian Mountains with Aase's pony 05/07/2008 08:46:19
During one of Gordon's Awayday trips in the next few months, do you think we have his passport revoked?
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brownlie,

05/07/2008 08:48:05
44 Nit

Interesting to see you being against buzz-words and your reference to posters as the "dregs".

There is no significance,therefore, in your choice of moniker. It merely illustrates the maturity of your opinions.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 08:54:12
It will have to be pointed out that New Labour Sleaze will only ever pay attention to marginal seats and ignore their 'safe' seats.

The electorate don't deserve any consideration.

As a financially and morally bankrupt party, New Labour Sleaze can be clearly seen for what they really are.
Selfish, greedy, self serving and arrogant.

Will Steven Purcell end his political 'career' by fighting a lost cause???

I don't think so. And there is the 'Halls of Infamy' which is being investigated by one of the Sundays. When that story breaks that'll be the end of the Glasgow mafia

The whole point of this election is saving Comrade Broon from humiliation, saving the Party and not giving a to$s about the electorate.

They will pay the ultimate price.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 09:12:21
Just a few reasons NOT to vote for New Labour Sleaze

1. Gold fire sale.
2. Pension theft.
3. Northern Rock.
4. Millennium Dome.
5. Nuclear power stations.
6. Cash for honours.
7. Shambolic immigration/asylum policies.
8. No European referendum as promised.
9. Illegal Iraqi war.
10. Trident replacement.
11. London Olympics.
12. Inadequately supplied troops
13. PFI/PPP debt for years.
14. Swearing allegiance to Britain by school kids.
15. ID cards.
16. NHS computerisation shambles.
17. Child tax credit shambles.
18. Child Support Agency
19. Scottish Election shambles (Dougie Alexander).
20. Economy in meltdown.
21. 24 hour drinking. (Keep the peasants pie-eyed and they’ll vote for us, just like their dads did).
22. Dr David Kelly
23. Westminster expense cover up
24. "British Jobs for British workers."
25. Privatisation of air traffic control
26. Giving director of CBI a ministerial job...
27. Dungavel detention centre for children of asylum seekers
28. Failing to vote on, or offer alternative or amendments to, the Scottish budget
29. Voting to keep graduate endowment.
30. Collaboration with rendition/ torture.
31. 12,000 redundancies at the DWP.
32. Closing Remploy factories a cost of 1000s jobs for the disabled.
33. Millionaire's inheritance tax cut.
34. Tuition fees.
35. Means testing benefits for the old.
36. Annexed 6000 Square Miles of Scottish Territorial Waters
37. Continued Theft of Scottish Oil & Gas
38. Constitutional Review (oops Commission)
39. Fly British Flag from public buildings
40. Destruction of Scottish Fishing Industry
41. 'Independent' Electoral Commission
42. Reduced funding for Scotland
43. Invest heavily in London infrastructure -e.g. High speed rail, Heathrow,
44. Nepotism and cronyism on a grand scale.
45. Scottish Industry Forum
46. Massive closures of Scottish Post Offices
47. Lose BP Hydrogen Plant @ Peterhead
48. Catalogue of top rated Wendy you-tube videos.
49. Refuse to investiga
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 09:13:14
#83 Bob Christie

Just out of interest, who are these 'vulnerable' people? It seems to be a buzz word of the moment, especially amongst the Labourites that you're purporting to criticise. The young are vulnerable. The old are vulerable. All sorts of minorities are vulnerable. The poor, it would appear are vulnerable. Vulnerable to what and who? It all strike me as a symptom of the all-pervading culture of victimhood and entitlement that's everywhere.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 09:13:17
And a few more!!

50. Refuse to create an Independent Scottish Labour Party
51. Catch Phrases/Spin e.g.” Whiter than white, Purer than pure”, "McChattering Classes", "CyberNat" and "Ranting Bloggers"
52. 20% Scots in relative poverty and increasing- tinyurl.com/2klhdm
53. Massive election frauds in Birmingham and other places (judge described as being like "banana republic" corruption)
54. The £400 million over-run on the parliament building.
55. Tony Blair comparing the Scottish parliament to a parish council.
56. Dressing taxes up as Green taxes and not spending the proceeds on the environment
57. Hammering high profit oil companies with high corporation tax but not his friends in the higher profit financial sector
58. Back door stealth taxation.
59. Banning protest and free speech near Westminster and Whitehall.
60. Ignoring the Glasgow East By-election.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 09:14:46
I will be more interested in how the media play this.
Are we going to see the exact extent to which the national media is controlled by the British establishment? will Rupert Murdoch himself tour the East End of Glasgow side by side with the Labour candidate?
Lets just see how low our so called free press will stoop on this one.

"He has a reputation as being combative in council dealings and has hard-line views on independence.

In March last year he was banned from meetings for nine months after he occupied the lord provost's seat in protest at changes in the voting system of the council."

Is this a prime example of what we can expect?
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icwalker,

angus 05/07/2008 09:18:46
I suggest labour's slogan or the election might be "saving councillor ryan"
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bluehead,

edinburgh 05/07/2008 09:25:31
the labour party are yesterday's people is time for them to depart,!for them to be booted out of office is essential, if we wish to rescue what is left of this country.
Britain has been dismantled to such an extent that it looks almost impossible to bring it back to the standards it once was.
i never thought that such a tragic mess could be made
of this country but unfortunately it is there for all to see.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/07/2008 09:27:01
I look forward to seeing the gallant 39 members of the "Best Club in London" explain to the residents of the poorest and least healthy constituency in the UK what 11 years of Labour government have done for them, and why the folk should continue with their support.
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jacquesmac,

With Aase's pony 05/07/2008 09:28:06
I knew Tom Clarke in the old days when he wuz the Provost and always found him a quiet modest sort of man.

Much has he reason to be quiet and modest
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/07/2008 09:29:09
12 - working class heroes, the lot of 'em !
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 09:30:46
85Jimmy the Pie-some might think of many items on your list as reasons TO vote for Labour-Trident replacment,Nuclear Power,Flying the British Flag(imagine that! Flying the British flag in BRITAIN!! Shock horror what next!!)London Olympics. Also "Massive closing of Scottish Post Offices"-what about Post offices closed elsewhere in the UK. Really James, sometimes you guys are over the top-closing Post offices= saving Public money. Ever heard of email= no need for stamps=less need for post offices!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 09:34:51
94

Oh aye just you repeat all that to the folk in the East end of Glasgow and ask them to vote for Labour on the strength of it.

Please!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 09:41:01
94

These people are living in one of the most deprived areas of Europe and you think they will be impressed by Labour spending their taxes on Trident missles the London Olympics and Nuclear power? and not on regeneration of the inner cities or housing schemes?
or on trying to keep public service open to the public?
Where are they going to get their giros from if the post office is shut?

Are you for real?
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Iain's,

Barcelona 05/07/2008 09:41:48
Remember the Hamilton election when Winnie Ewing was elected.

Vote anything other than New Labour or you will be left to rot!

There is no viable socialist party left in Scotland other than the Nats. The rest are all Tories or even more right of centre.

And Remember, any Muslim who votes New Labour is an apostate.

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brownlie,

05/07/2008 09:43:57
94 Geoff


Some might think that there are reasons to vote Labour - some might, but I suspect that not many will.
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 09:44:12
96 Mister N-you miss my point completely. I'm not telling the people of Glasgow east to vote for any body in particular-just trying to get you guys with only one immutable view of how the world should be , to try to see things from other perspectives. Let me spell itout more clearly:
"Mr Smith-why do you support that candidate?" ANSWER"Because he's agin Nuclear Power!"
"Mr. McDonald-why do you support that candidate?"
ANSWER" Because he advocates more Nuclear Power!"
One mans meat...
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 09:44:53
The biggest threat to this election is the media coverage. Unfortunatly it will still have a significant part to play.
If media coverage was impartial and objective the SNP would romp home with this Bi election.
But they may very well be up against it with a strong media campaign against them.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 05/07/2008 09:48:27
"Brown going for broke"

H'mmm - isn't that what he's been doing to the whole country for ten years?
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 09:48:53

Slab's campaing strategy = save maggie broon !

Says it all really
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Steve,

Just leaving the hoose 05/07/2008 09:50:36
It would help greatly if everyone switched off their computers now and headed to Glasgow! Labour are spending over £100k, and flooding the place with activists from England. Lets go!

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cabrach loon,

inverness 05/07/2008 09:53:51
#34 you hit the nail on the head for the carriers - what on earth are they needed for - they are just bigger targets?

The airforce and army are what we really need plus some subs (non nuclear)and lots of smaller ships for keeping illegal immigrants and fishing fleets out.

As for the glasgow east election there seem too many brain dead died in the wool labourites around.
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 09:54:09
100 Brownlie-congrats on the ton! Meths must still be in bed! Agree with whatyou say-I was just trying to illustrate some flaws in Jimmy's list. I think that sometimes Jimmy and others state their case with a bias and fervour that is excessive. I know its an overworked phrase but"Four legs good,two legs bad" sums it up. Not evrything about Labour and gordon Brown is of the devil any more than Alex S. and the SNP are emissaries from Heaven above!I am not a Labour supporter but as a Unionist I would not like to see Glasgow East lost th the Nats. Also one serious question-if the voters of Glasgow East have voted for Labour for so many years they must have in their view,seen some merit in Labour? Calling them "sheep" would probably not endear them to your cause!
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Iain's,

05/07/2008 09:55:08
I see, from the register of interests, that the New Labour candidate has received presents of footy tickets from Ist Bus and a Mr.Singhs.

These people do not give presents with no strings attached. Who is Singhs anyway? Why is he giving away free football tickets?

I am shocked with New Labour. If I was a politician, I would accept no presents.
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Iain's,

05/07/2008 09:56:54
Labour have lost it.

In the old days, my last comment would have been challenged by now, by the Masters of Spin!.

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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 09:58:23
Brownlie-106 calbrach loons comment is a perfect example of what I have just said. Labour activists should publicise his sentiments about"brain dead Labourites" far and wide!! Some of you guys comments are really arrogant and ultimately damaging to your cause
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MisterN,

05/07/2008 09:59:53
101

Youre referring to voters from the McChattering classes. The majority of voters in this bielection are the ones struggling at the bottom of societies ladder.
They worry about their day to day existance and frankly dont understand nor even care if their heating comes from nuclear energy or renewables only about how they can afford to keep it on.
Factors such as massive increaces in utility bills, the abolishion of the 10p tax rate, their local council tax bills, The rate of unemployment benefit, Housing benefit, invalidity benefit etc.
These are the issues that concern them.
Now what is Labours record on these issues?
Jimmys point is Labour gives priority to issues such as Nuclear energy, foreign wars, closing public services, ID card, saving Northern rock, PFI etc and doesnt deal with issues such as raising benefits to keep up with utility bill increaces instead they take away the 10p tax rate which affects them more than most.
Something you wont be hearing in the media during the election campaigns I bet.
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brownlie,

05/07/2008 10:02:18
107 Geoff

Geoff, old chum, at one time there was merit in Labour - the reason that people voted for them and that I worked for them.

Now, and for some years, there is very little merit and their actions, or inactions, in recent years have turned their traditional support firmly against them.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:04:00
#95 Bob

Well done. Questions expertly avoided. More psycho-babble I'm afraid. Espoused by ALL the parties and meaningless. The only thing to which the constituents of Glasgow East are vulnerable is the unremitting, patronising propoganda fed to them by the well-meaning apologists from all the main parties that they are somehow less able to break free of poverty and lack of aspiration than the rest of the country.
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 10:07:08

Steve @ 105,

I'll be making my way up on the 18th for the last few days.

The Gathering is having an early start
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:08:51
113

The point is they shouldnt have to "break free" of poverty not in this day and age. Scotland has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the world and can afford to wipe out the level of poverty prevelant in many areas of Scotland.
BUT NOT WITHIN THE UNION.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:08:54
By calling a quick by-election during the Glasgow Fair it is highly unlikely that any party, other than Labour, will win in Glasgow East.

However, IF in the next 3 weeks some political misfortune should befall the Labour Party or their candidiate and, highly improbable as it may sound, somehow manage to lose a constituency with a 13,500 Labour majority, then Scottish politics will never be the same again?

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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:11:46
116

I predict Labour will win with a narrow majority maybe even a recount and it will all be down to media coverage.
I really do hope I am wrong.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:11:53
#111 MisterN

You really don't see the irony do you? You're like Bob #95. Why should the people of Glasgow East not be in a position to have ID cards, Northern Rock, Iraq as there first concerns? That their primary concern is for how much the TAXPAYER is paying them in benefits is the true indication of how Labour and Socialism (including the neo-Socialist SNP) have failed them.
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Calum10,

05/07/2008 10:12:50
Is it wise to have those Labour MPs who voted to retain the John Lewis List campaign in Glasgow East? How can Labour MPs like Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West) address voters concerns about huge hikes in food and fuel when he has proven that he only represents his wallet?

On another note I hear that Cllr Ryan, who was supposed to be the Labour canditate for Glasgow East, has done a runner, he didn't turn for the selection meeting. Of course it is being stated he has changed his mind and now wants to spend more time with his family, but who believes this to be the case. I think we can safely say that something untoward has been done to or has been undiscovered about Cllr Ryan.

The Labour party in Scotland is in a mess, and deserves to lose this by-election.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:17:25
#115 Mister

The basis of your argument seems to be that no-one should be doing anything for themselves. That the State should be liberating people from poverty. Baws. All the State should be doing is providing the opportunity to let people improve themselves. The Welfare State has become a parent. Generations of adults have been allowed to become content for the taxpayer to fund their lives in every way, literally from cradle to grave. That's a betrayal of people, not a good thing.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:17:46
118

You tell me why not. It seems to me that the reason is down to 50 years of living under Labour management.
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 10:18:05
112 brownlie-yes they are in a right old mess-certainly the worst of times to have to fight by-elections! I ask myself in all honesty how I would vote if I lived in the east end. I know the answer but ...
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:18:52
121

The first step would be to vote for independence now isnt that classed as the population doing something for themselves?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:20:32
121

And is it the responsiblity of somebodies elses state to provide them with opportunities to advance or their own?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:24:49
#119 Bob

Oh no. There's a big difference between being born with a steeper hill to climb, ie disadvantaged by having to make your way through poverty or being raised by junkie parents for example, than being 'vulnerable'. Your use of the word, and its adoption as an excuse for people not to try to improve their situation, is patronising tosh. There are many, many people from Glasgow's East End and across Scotland who were born into true poverty and who have built good and successful lives for themselves without using it as an excuse for living off the State.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:29:16
126

When you say many how relative is that to the rest?
What sort of ratio?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:30:11
#124 MisterN

It will make no difference to many of the people of the East End if the money is Bank of Europe, Bank of England or Bank of Independent Scotland. Until the main Scottish parties recognise Socialism for the failure it is, they'll still be allowed to live as client children of the State, run by the same political elite, but wearing a different coloured rosette.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 10:31:04
Good morning Geoff !

How goes it ?

The hype around this by-election has a bit of an odour about it.
A cast iron Labour seat is now being made to look like it's vulnerable.
It's being portrayed as if it was a marginal, all the Labour politicians rallying round.
"...a big fight with the SNP in a knife-edge bid to save the Prime Minister," from this paper today.
Unionist posters on here, stating that the seat may be lost.
Then what happens ? A miracle, the seat goes to Labour !
Suddenly we'll have all the headlines:-
It's a Labour comeback !
The SNP are under attack !.
Brown vindicated !
The Tide has turned ! Etc. etc.
The simple truth is, this is a dead safe Labour seat, but when they win it, the Labour Party, and its Propaganda outlets, like this publication, are going to be talking it up, as if it was a tremendous Victory.
As somebody commented a couple of days ago, if you put a monkey up for election on this one it would easily win, as long as it was wearing a red rosette.
This is all spin, about turning a foregone conclusion, into a Labour 'triumph'.
As for the closing of Post Offices, that has the greatest effect on the elderly.
It has quite an importance to them socially.
Also the elderly tend not be quite so computer literate.
Obviously, you are one of the exceptions Geoff ! !
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:34:12
# 127 Bob

'Fraid I've got bills and taxes to pay. It will have to wait 'til I retire. Besides, the chances of changing most Scots' attitudes to Socialism is a thankless one. That's democracy for you.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:34:28
129

Socialism is a failure comparred to what other system?
Capitalism? oh aye go down to the East end as see just exactly what benefit a capitalist system has done for them.
Capitalism equates to F*ck you jack Im alright.
And that was never illustrated better than in the Soviet Union and today in China and lets not forget the American dream for some and nightmare for most.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:38:15
129

And look what privatisation has done for us.
Huge increaces in utility bills, outrageous dentist bills, expensive travel bills, huge increaces in Telephone bills etc.
I am not going to get into PFI that little disaster speaks volumes on its own.
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James.com,

05/07/2008 10:39:10
If "the Scotsman found clear signs of support for the SNP" they must have been falling over them! Broon and Bust is Doomed.
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KampungHighlander,

05/07/2008 10:42:50
#120 Calum10

Or Maybe as the local councillor who speaks to his constituents on a regular basis he realizes the strength of the negative feeling towards Labour. While the local people struggle with food and fuel price rises the Clowns in Westminster climb deeper into the trough.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:43:19
#MisterN

To believe there is any alternative to capitalism is naive student politics. Communism obviously failed and was clearly hypocritical as a political and economic philosophy. Socialism is simply Capitalism-Lite. What else is there?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:43:29
130

There may well be something in what you say its not like this rag to post optimistic views on the SNP.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:44:46
137

Where has communism failed? the closest I have seen to a communist system is an Israelli Kibbutz I have seen no evidence of a communist system anywhere else.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:45:31
Bob,

With respect, if you seriously think there is any great philosophical divide between Labour and the SNP, other than over the issue of Independence, then you are proof indeed that a fool and his money are easily parted.
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Toast,

05/07/2008 10:46:17
What has happened to labours policy of minority and female candidates,just another lie I suppose,good PR but in reality they are as nepotistic as usual.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 10:46:17
138 Mister N

It's not exactly in character is it ?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:46:18
137

There is democracy or do you think democracy is the same as capitalism?
democracy is in fact socialism in its purest form.
Do you even have a clue what it is you are trying to discuss?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 10:47:40
#139 MisterN

Yeah, let's turn Scotland into one big kibbutz and live off the land. Grow up.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:48:35
140

New Labour are akin to the Tories on the far right of politics the SNP have stayed left of centre.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:49:44
144

Is that your new philosophy then? you seem to flip flop as much as the Scottish Labour party.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 05/07/2008 10:50:03
If the people of that deprived part of Glasgow are so stupid that they still vote Labour then they deserve their squalor.

It's not rocket science people: You vote for the same bunch of lying crooks year in year out for generations and nothing gets better for you, just worse. Well smell the coffee and change your vote!
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subrosa,

05/07/2008 10:54:39
# 130 'Also the elderly tend not be quite so computer literate.'

Speak for yourself. I don't do too bad - just made my first UTube video :)

Off to Glasgow now to do my bit.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 10:56:02
148

Oh please then youre the exception to the rule. I regard myself as computer literate but my 12 year old has me beat hands down.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 10:58:51
148 subrosa

Good for you, and have a good day !
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 11:01:48
#146 MisterN

No, I've only had one change in my politial outlook over the years. I'm an example of the old adage that if you're not on the Left when you're younger you have no heart, if you're not on the Right when you're older, you have no brain. It's called being an adult in the real world. Bye.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 11:10:45
151

If youre not on the right when youre older then its because you havent become a selfish old B*stard.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:18:57
SNP candidate is 'An accountant by trade, he works full-time as a councillor'. Can't he get a proper job then?
SNP are no better than Labour - professional politicians on the make.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:23:45
116 Mr. Lachie Todd

How many voters in Glasgow East will be away during Glasgow Fair and unable to vote? I doubt whether there'll be any more than any other week in July or August.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:28:00
154 Ayrshire­ Scot™

Your post proves my point. The SNP candidate has a lot of experience at spending money made by other people but none at wealth creation. The people of Glasgow East don't need another MP spending their (and our) money. They need someone who can show them how to make money. Professional politicians are a pain. See Peter Oborne 'The Triumph of the Political Class'.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:30:48
#5 ThomasP

Agree your comment about unsolicited phone calls from Labour Party. Hope you'll agree that the same goes for unsolicited phone calls from the SNP or any other party.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 11:31:34
#156

Careful there Publius. You're at risk of being branded a heartless, selfish, fascist barsteward. Heaven forfend that anyone in Parliament has any real knowledge of the economy that generates the money to fund everything.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:37:55
#158 Draco Was a Wimp

Thanks for your post. I am proud to be called to a fascist barsteward by anyone from Scotland's left wing, socialist consensus. As a I understand it fascist is someone the left disagrees with: a fascist barsteward is winning the argument!

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 11:41:12
#159 Ayrshire

Long time, no debate. No, but a bit of a mix would be nice. I suspect you are aware of the make-up of both the Westminster and, especially, the Holyrood Parliament. Lawyers, teachers, lecturers, social workers, 'outreach workers', charity workers. And increasingly and more depressingly, professional politicians. Ex students who've become party workers, councillors, spin doctors, researchers etc etc. What experience of these people, however worthy and good-hearted they are, of the world of business and how to successfully direct our national economy?
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 11:46:15
159 Ayrshire­ Scot™

You're missing it. Professional politicians of the left thrive on deprivation. They are the beneficiaries of dependency culture. They act as intermediaries between their constituents and the state.
Labour councils dominated Scotland in the 50s,60s and 70s because Labour cooncillors and MPs acted as housing brokers. They thought they were doing good job, but the result was to condemn many people to misery while some of them got rich. We have partly broken from this culture, but nothing in the SNP candidate's background suggests that he has. If elected he will see his job as in the same way that many Labour candidates see theirs.

Wealth creators don't have to be big businessmen. They may be small businessmen or people who work in factories, offices or shops. But they are not people who broker the dependency of others.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 05/07/2008 11:47:47
I refuse to believe that the voters in this part of Glasgow are more daft than those laboratory mice they put into mazes to train their behaviour. The ones that get an electric shock usually learn not to take that turn and the ones that get a piece of cheese learn to take the right turn.

Labour voters, look what your party has done for you in East Glasgow and stop taking the electric shocks in the mouse maze. Unless of course you really are all masochists and enjoy the pain.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 11:49:29
#162

'People who broker the dependency of others.' In the words of that auld fraud, Donald Dewar, 'I like that'. You'd get my vote!
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FTH22inarow,

05/07/2008 11:51:45
The SNP would gain more credibility if they didn't stand for the Westminster Parliament at all.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 11:54:41
#164

Come on, Ayrshire, you're no fool. Deluded, perhaps but no fool. The people the electors choose? You're having a laugh. The whole political process is dominated by a cabal of like-minded, liberal, people. Labour, the SNP and the LibDems are all cut from the same cloth. They appoint candidates in their own image (and now, increasingly, the heads of Health Boards, public quangoes and Chief Constables). The public don't get a look in and certainly don't really cast their vote with regard to the background of the candidate. Unfortunately.
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jacquesmac,

With Aase's pony 05/07/2008 11:55:40
Boudica has disappeared like the Labour candidate?

Hunting Private Ryan?

Anyway,
Wee Wendy jumps one year after taking charge and three years before her real P45
Nichol Stevenson jumps 6 years in and 3 years before his real P45
Both will no doubt build bridges so that they can always survive outside Holyrood
Cllr Ryan jumps ship before taking charge.

You couldn't make this up.

The Captain of SS UK is buzzing around inspecting the fleet in various venues and even the cabin boy is jumping ship!

I have a soft spot for pigs,the real four legged ones.

They are quite intelligent, more so that your average Slam MP, MSP and Cooncillor.

In fcat one or two of them have developed the art of speech and relly pissed of that they are being compared to mambers of the Liebour Party. They tell me that in the real pig World the greatest insult they have is to call someone a labourite.


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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:06:30
Alec Slabbermond did nothing to Bring the Games to Glasgow other than feed his fat face at the table at the event that covered the final desicion .It was Labour who gave their full support to this ..SLabbermond only got Elected in May ...he was nowhere to be seen on this before the Big Feed you fat face event ..so get real ..and he wanted to stop any move by the SportsScotland going to the east End ..he did a uturn on that desicion ..as he has done with the Free Travel for Pensioners ..My the Natz are getting good at the fantasy game ...and I hate to burst yer Bubble but it is the Union Jack that is flown in the East End especialy on the 12th of may ..so dont hold yer breath on that one...
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 12:12:33
#Peter,SNP for me!

Agree some of your post ... but surely the SNP doesn't want two huge aircraft carriers for the Royal Navy? An independent Scotland couldn't afford them and would have no use for them. The whole UK does not need them either. Ships like this belonged in the imperial age when we projected power on the other side of the world. What we need now is protection of the British Isles and North East Atlantic - frigates, destroyers, submarines plus land based aircraft will do for this.
Aircraft carriers are the product of Labour's liberal-imperialist delusions and Brown's need to have something spectacular in his back yard.
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:12:58
169 ...did you clock the time I made my last comment ? unlike you I dont sit up all night spouting rubbish ..I have a life ...Just popped in to see what mince the natz were saying about this subject and as usual not disappointed the usual drivel about your "Grate Leader " ..( not the spelling ) notice how he is doing an awful lot of Uturns on Glasgow ...Why is that ? and please dont think the East of Glasgow are all ignorant |Morons they are well up on all things Political and can spot a " Chant Rasstler " like Slabbermond a mile away ..I notice that he is doing more Uturns as GB is of Late ...He has proved to kost that all he does is talk the Talk ..but he Cant Walk the Walk ..something the east of Glasgow have noted ...
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:14:17
Most* ...or even to his Cost* ..hehe
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Rodster,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:16:06
The real question in Glasgow East is this, "After 50 years of Labour representation has life and conditions in the constituency gotten any better for the average elector?
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If the answer is no , then vote for anyone but Labour ,to re-elect another Labour representative will consign you to the dustbin for another few decades,to preserve the status quo is to justify a lower life expectancy than a person in the Gaza strip, to agree with the nose in the trough expenses settlement , illegal wars ,WMD, cash for honours,stealth taxes 10p tax rate ,Northern Rock ,city bonusues , no taxation for non doms.
So Glasgow voters the future of not only your constituency but that of your country is in your hands , never before have you had the power that is now in your possession ,all it takes is to remove the Labour Party from your area ,and you free your country , you say no the corruption and lies ,the jobs for the boys , the patronising lickspittles that lord it at your expense need to have a severe slap.
make that X count
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boudica,

Glasgow .. 05/07/2008 12:18:15
It is the Natz who do " Rabid" it is their Forte ...here is a man who says it far better than I can ..
Extracts of George Orwell Radio interview on the subject of Nationalism
He continues: ‘The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, NOT for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own indiviThe habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond duality.’ Communism, political Catholicism, Zionism, Antisemitism, Trotskyism and Pacifism are amongst his examples.
The nationalist, ‘persuades himself that (his side) IS the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the fgood and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests.’
acts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also - since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself - unshakeably certain of being in the right.’
Amongst the nationalist’s characteristics are obsession (the slightest slur against their unit enrages them; the smallest opportunity to attack their unit’s perceived enemies is seized), and indifference to reality (the nationalist, for example, will fail to see atrocities committed by their own side as atrocities, whilst those committed by others will be constantly rehearsed as unforgivable and as contemporary today as when they were carried out).
Orwell continues: ‘All nationalist controversy is at the debating-society level’ - partly because of nationalism’s disconnection from reality which rides rough-shod over complexities for the sake of generating point-scoring simplicities; partly because nationalist debate is not about engaging with others but is about satisfying the nationalist’s own fantasies of rightness and conquest
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 12:18:22
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boudica
Why is the Union Jack flown "especialy[sic] on the 12th of may"?
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 12:19:33
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Great minds Meths;-)
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Mcsnagpile,

05/07/2008 12:22:16
The Sennas Podus first rule –The more mundane the politic the larger the flood of verbal diarrhea.
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boudica,

05/07/2008 12:22:34
here is a link to Orwells notes on nationalism a good read and very enlightening ..I am sure many here will be able to recognise a few in here that have these traits ..
http://www.george-orwell.org/Notes_on_Nationalism/0.html
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 12:25:19
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By your name I'm assuming that you are a British Nationalist.
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boudica,

05/07/2008 12:30:40
"Obviously there are considerable resemblances between political
Catholicism, as exemplified by Chesterton, and Communism. So there are
between either of these and for instance Scottish nationalism, Zionism,
Antisemitism or Trotskyism. It would be an oversimplification to say that
all forms of nationalism are the same, even in their mental atmosphere,
but there are certain rules that hold good in all cases. The following
are the principal characteristics of nationalist thought:

OBSESSION. As nearly as possible, no nationalist ever thinks, talks, or
writes about anything except the superiority of his own power unit. It is
difficult if not impossible for any nationalist to conceal his
allegiance. The smallest slur upon his own unit, or any implied praise of
a rival organization, fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only
by making some sharp retort. If the chosen unit is an actual country,
such as Ireland or India, he will generally claim superiority for it not
only in military power and political virtue, but in art, literature,
sport, structure of the language, the physical beauty of the inhabitants,
and perhaps even in climate, scenery and cooking. He will show great
sensitiveness about such things as the correct display of flags, relative
size of headlines and the order in which different countries are
names"
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:31:01
(ii) CELTIC NATIONALISM. Welsh, Irish and Scottish nationalism have
points of difference but are alike in their anti-English orientation.
Members of all three movements have opposed the war while continuing to
describe themselves as pro-Russian, and the lunatic fringe has even
contrived to be simultaneously pro-Russian and pro-Nazi. But Celtic
nationalism is not the same thing as anglophobia. Its motive force is a
belief in the past and future greatness of the Celtic peoples, and it has
a strong tinge of racialism. The Celt is supposed to be spiritually
superior to the Saxon--simpler, more creative, less vulgar, less
snobbish, etc.--but the usual power hunger is there under the surface.
One symptom of it is the delusion that Eire, Scotland or even Wales could
preserve its independence unaided and owes nothing to British protection.
Among writers, good examples of this school of thought are Hugh McDiarmid
and Sean O'Casey. No modern Irish writer, even of the stature of Yeats or
Joyce, is completely free from traces of nationalism
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westview,

greater Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:31:06
What do our English friends make of their English trade union branches spending their time and their money on a Scottish election? We hear plenty of complaints about England subsidising Scotland. Protest at your branch or workplace if you think that your money should be spent solving local English problems and not on phone calls etc to Scots in Glasgow.
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boudica,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 12:32:26
Just a few excerpts from GO Essay for all to ponder ...Ayrshire ..have to go shopping ...be back later jaques...
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 12:38:13
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boudica bellyfeel Britain,doubleplusgood duckspeak!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 12:40:47
156 158

Why this sudden interest in getting professionals to run constituencies instead of politicians and why should this only apply to the SNP?
We have been in this union for over 300 years and politicians have been given the job of running the country in all that time without a peep about how professional or competant they are now you two trolls are digging this sh*t up now and applying it only to the SNP?
are you two so devoid of anything positive to present in favour of your preferred candidate you have to resort to sh*t stirring troll tripe in order to make a post?
Have you any convictions at all? anything positive issues that your preferred candidate can bring to this constituency? if so then lets f*cking see it instead of posting meaningless sh*te for the sake of it.
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 12:41:21
130 European Scot-Howsit ES! I see your reasoning but really wonder if Glasgow East IS such as safe seat for Labour- I (personally) hope u are right(from a Unionist perspective)! As to the Post Offices I know they have functions other than selling stamps-was having a bit of a go to illustrate a point!

"The elderly tend not to be so computer literate-you are obviously the exception!!!" Talk about a tainted compliment!!! I still take part in Canoe Marathons and the chicks tell me I look ten years younger than my 59 years-insulted!
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Richardinho,

05/07/2008 12:42:56
This election is a great opportunity to try and properly address the problems that communities in Glasgow East face. GE should not become a political football to be kicked around for a few weeks then forgotten about.
One thing imho is certain-that sitting governments and the political parties HAVE failed areas such as these. The Labour party must take the lion's share of the blame since it is they who have represented it. Clearly they haven't made a good job of it.
I don't want to hear about how much money has supposedly been 'pumped into the area'. Clearly it hasn't done much good. I don't believe that money is the solution anyway. I think their is a sickness that affects these areas. A lack of opportunities, a lack of security and a lack of ambition. I think we should look at the dependency culture which exists and which the Labour party has fostered for it's own benefit.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 12:45:21
#193 Ayrshire

Did you really have to mantion tinfoil? It'll set off The Great Conspiracy Theorist himself, Colin R fae Bearsden.
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Geoff,

sa 05/07/2008 12:45:27
Think Boudica means the 12th of July!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 12:47:33
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People who are living on benefits shouldnt complain?
And people who live on Invalidity benefits is it ok if they complain?
How about people who are presently living on unemployment benefit which they obviously contributed into with their NI contributions in order to qualify for it are they allowed to complain?

Or is it only right that f*cking cybertrolls complain about everything irrespective as to whether its good for you beneficial and works?

Its these working class wasters who will give us independence or not.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 05/07/2008 12:49:21
Labour seems to be having such a great difficulty finding a candidate that the BBC website suggests that Labour MSP Margaret Curran is considering putting her name in the hat.

As the Scottish Socialists have selected Frances Curran to run this would look like a nightmare for voters with two women called CURRAN on the ballot papers with Frances alphabetically before Margaret.

This is getting Monty-pythonesque for Labour. They better pick someone quick - the deadline for nominations is Wednesday.

The electorate hate parties which are split or disorganised as it gives an insight into how they will operate elsewhere. For Labour who had control over selecting the date of the byelection this looks bad.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 12:53:05
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If this is such a safe labour seat then they should put fatty Foulkes up as candidate surely even he couldnt f*ck this up for them could he?
Or is he not really the statesmen Labour like to pretend he is?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 12:56:14
#195 MasterN

Cut along, there's a good boy, the grown-ups are talking. I'm sure there's a Militant Tendency nostalgia meeting being held in a student Union somewhere that you can join in.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 05/07/2008 13:00:23
Anyone using AOL?
Check out their news site on this topic.
They have a photo of Tommy Sheridan but think he is George Ryan the pulled-out Labour man. AOL must have a library of photos and have keyed in GLASGOW - POLITICIAN - PHOTO and Tommy popped up. Ah well he looks like a Glasgow politician. No one surfing AOL fro news will tell the difference. Do all Glaswegians look the same?
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Indyman,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 13:06:46
Labour democracy in action!

A short list of 3 "suitable" candidates - one fails to turn up so do you go ahead with the selection meeting?

No. Obviously the 2 remaining were only there to make up the numbers.

So the meeting is cancelled until a capable candidate (or someone prepared to put their career on the line) can be found.
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MartinR,

Oban 05/07/2008 13:07:58
As I understand it - from a very good source - should the SNP win this seat, Salmond is considering calling an election at Holyrood.

Now that would be a great thing to see! Imagine the result if could pull that off.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 13:08:05
I'm a great believer in 'what goes around, comes around'.
New Labour Sleaze bring in financial rules to control party funding (the SNP's funding), and end up breaking their own laws - Red Wendy.

Comrade Broon pulls a 'fast one' in picking the by-election date to wrong foot the opposition, and ends up being unable to name a candidate.

You couldn't make it up!!!!

Bet all the New Labour Stasi are really looking forward to reading the Sundays'!!!!!!!!
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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 13:09:29
#209

I don't think Salmond has the authority to hold an election.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 13:09:39
#208

Excellent post
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MartinR,

Oban 05/07/2008 13:12:28
I think you're right - in the sense that he can't call one like Brown can at Westminster. But he could resign as FM, and then because a replacement wouldn't be found after 28 days, an election would be triggered.

As I say, I've had this from a very good source, but don't know the exact details.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 13:17:38
196 Geoff

You little Toy Boy you ! ( I left the 'R' out deliberately ! )
I'm sorry to say that you're my junior by five years, but don't tell anyone, I know I can rely on your discretion !
As for the chicks comment, lucky you.
These days I tend to get remarks like, " My Grandmother would like you "
Posted to you yesterday on the Carriers thread, and called you an Admiral, so it's not all bad !
I think all the spin on this seems to be more about building up 'the tension' of a 'close run' thing, in what in all probability will be a straightforward win for Labour. It's about making it look like a 'great victory' when it happens.
I'd love to see the SNP take it, but whatever, the numbers are going to be interesting.
Catch you later, off to lunch.
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Caora Dubh,

Eilean a' Cheò 05/07/2008 13:29:01
John Mason is the only candidate who truly knows the ropes and can get things done to improve the lives of those in East Glasgow. He knows how the services are run and who runs them. If you've got a problem that needs sorting, he'll sort it - he has the contacts. The other candidates are no-hopers.
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Caora Dubh,

Eilean a' Cheò 05/07/2008 13:35:47
Labour: For years you ignore the needs of the people of East Glasgow. Now you're in trouble, you are desperate to show how vitally interested you are in their needs, roping in MPs and MSPs from all over Britain who are suddenly and weirdly urgently interested in the problems of East Glaswegians.

East Glasgow must be washed clean of the stench of Labour hypocrisy.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 13:38:39
#195 MisterN

You ask "Why this sudden interest in getting professionals to run constituencies instead of politicians and why should this only apply to the SNP?"

My interest is not sudden. I have been railing against professional politicians on Scotsman boards for well over a year. In fact I've been railing against them all my adult life - ever since I grew up on a housing scheme in Dundee. I voted SNP last year in the hope that Scotland would break out from the stranglehold of Labour's professional politicians.
I am sad that the SNP is now going down the same road.
We need to forget about James Maxton and get back to Adam Smith.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 13:39:12
209. How any sane person could vote for Salmond and his band of renegades is beyond comprehension, this so called political party breaks manifesto pledges,gets it's sums wrong on LIT,salmond is a opportunist and a bully,his concerns are not with the people of Scotland,but rather how long he can remain in bute house.
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jacquesmac,

Up Aase's pony 05/07/2008 13:39:42
Boudica

Several villages are missing an their idiot.

I think you are all of them.
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Thistledhu,

05/07/2008 13:39:49
I dont think the snp will take this seat however any loss of majority will put pressure on brown.

The bigger the loss of vote's the more pressure as MP's begin to fear for there second homes and transport Expenses
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 05/07/2008 13:40:24
A large part of this constituency is deprived and run down. It used to be the more deprived the ward or constituency was, the bigger the Labour majority would be even although there was a Labour Government in Westminster and a Labour council in Glasgow. I hope the days of 'we've always voted Labour' may be over this time and Labour get a real drubbing in E. Glasgow.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 13:41:04
#217 Caora Dubh

Your description of John Mason shows the classic dependency broker/professional politician. People like him aren't the solution, they're part of the problem.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:02:42
223. You can understand why some people in England think Scottish people are a little thick,IF THIS KIMBA CHARACTER IS OUT THERE,PLEASE COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR FANS.
Ayreshire scot.I assume this kimba person holds some of my views,but that does not make me this kimba individual,the majority of Scots are uncertain about Salmond & co are they all kimba!
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DouglasT,

05/07/2008 14:07:33
I'm wondering if there is any connection between Mr Ryan's withdrawal and those suggestions that a sunday national is investigating the book entitled 'Halls of Infamy'. Guess we'll all know tomorrow :)
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:08:49
227. Are you a crazy man, or just drunk.
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rona,

05/07/2008 14:09:34
elizabeth the first

*How any sane person could vote for Salmond and his band of renegades is beyond comprehension, this so called political party breaks manifesto pledges,gets it's sums wrong on LIT,salmond is a opportunist and a bully,his concerns are not with the people of Scotland,but rather how long he can remain in bute house.*

I like a sensible post.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:16:38
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How do you know are you listening in?

so you have nothing to contribute at all?
just yet another grubby sad little troll with nothing better to do with his time.
What a waste of 10 fingers.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:18:24
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Dont talk wet he,s the First minister of the Scottish Parliament who else do you think should call it?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:20:27
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I remember you posting unionist propaganda mince before the election or at least somebody with your logon was. Is this your original account? or is there a similar logon on these threads?
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jacquesmac,

Up Aaase's Pony 05/07/2008 14:22:25
Elisabetyh the First!

"How any sane person could vote for Salmond and his band of renegades is beyond comprehension, this so called political party breaks manifesto pledges,gets it's sums wrong on LIT,salmond is a opportunist and a bully,his concerns are not with the people of Scotland,but rather how long he can remain in bute house"


Rona says

"I like a sensible post."

Thanks Rona but I don't think you get the like from this Numptie

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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:23:11
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Dont be stupid look how much weight they could pull if they won the majority of Scottish seats. They would hold the balance of power and both Labour and the Tories would have to deal with them very carefully.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:23:32
231. think you mean 229,you can be whatever you wish,as long as you STOP confusing me with this kimba person. Single,i have not been single for 32 years.
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Alfie Bett,

05/07/2008 14:24:02
130 European Scot
I think your spot on with your views,Labour know they are in for a well deserved tanking but they will still scrape in so in the meantime they will quite happily allow themselves to be portrayed somehow as the under dogs but will spin it as a glorious comeback when they are returned rather than the ignominious loss of a huge majority which it will be and then turned into a marginal seat,and of course their tame unionist press and media flunkeys will buy into that with relish and I would suggest that papers like the Scotsman are talking up the SNP's chances just now so that they can stick the boot in if they fail which no doubt they wish to see.
I would hope of course that we are completely wrong and that the SNP win this but it would possibly be a bye election blip and they would return a labour nonentity at a general election, this is one place where the red rosette/monkey syndrome applies and will take a long time to be eradicated.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:25:38
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Married to your cell mate by swapping tattoos in prison doesnt constitute a real marriage Kimba.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:27:22
235. Is that all you nationalists can do,pity,we all are entitleed to our own views without being disrespected.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:30:50
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"How any sane person could vote for Salmond and his band of renegades is beyond comprehension, this so called political party breaks manifesto pledges,gets it's sums wrong on LIT,salmond is a opportunist and a bully,his concerns are not with the people of Scotland,but rather how long he can remain in bute house"


Is not a point of view its an accusation and cant possibly be backed up or substanciated.
But then if it could you wouldnt be a silly little troll would you?
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:31:47
239. oh,this kimba did rub you up the wrong way,but do not vent your anger on me,I AM NOT KIMBA.
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rona,

05/07/2008 14:32:05
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Again I say. I like a good post.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:32:49
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Like I said before I reckon it will be close but Labour should win it mainly thanks to the media coverage and their only real talent of spinning propaganda.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 05/07/2008 14:34:04
#216 Oh come on Methalions, everybody knows that far from "going it alone" Eire only managed because of huge EU subs. They admit it themselves.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:35:39
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Oh please you can barely string a sentence together let alone rub somebody up the wrong way with a post.
The only good thing about your posts are they are generally short.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:36:37
241. Did not swinney get his sums wrong on LIT,and how many manifesto promises has Salmond reneged on?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:36:43
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No get it right they have managed BETTER with the EU grants and who wouldnt?
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Brian the Barbarian.,

2nd railway arch from the left. 05/07/2008 14:36:52
Vote labour cos Gordon Brown is now a big fan of Lulu and Gorbals Mick is a really straight guy who is not on the fiddle.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 05/07/2008 14:37:43
#233 MisterN The Scottish Parliament is a fixed term Parliament, unlike Westminster.

The First Minister can not call an election.

He would have to bring his own Government down.

Or the opposition could bring it down with a vote of No confidence.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:38:17
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No he didnt can you prove differently?

None so far he still has about 3 years left before he can be accused of that.
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MisterN,

Scottish 05/07/2008 14:39:42
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No it isnt elections can be called for all number of reasons even the opposition can force an election.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:41:27
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Which part of the Scotland act prevents the first minister calling an election when he is ready?
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 14:42:36
I remember an internet campaign to send the poor man sympathy cards last year when kimba had claimed to have been married for.......wait for it....................32 years.
Coincidence?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 05/07/2008 14:46:24
#249 and who is one of the biggest contributors to the EU? Yes, Britain.

So Eire prospers because the British tax payer hands them loads of cash handouts. Without it they'd just sit around in another pub in the middle of another potato famine.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 14:50:18
Back on topic (forgive my woolgathering).
The sad thing about Labour in Scotland is there only purpose appears to be trying to 'get' the SNP.In every publication I've read, Labour MPs and MSPs have been quoted with variations on the same theme.
Doogie Alexander's summed it up when he said his sister always put the interests of the Labour party first.
How far down their list of priorities do you have to go to find the best interest of their constituents?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:50:51
251

The dates set for general elections in Scotland and Westminster are both the latest dates they can be called not the earliest nor the only.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:51:36
255. You are a cynical soul,with 60 million people in britain,guess i'm not the only one to have been married this length of time,but you believe what makes you feel comfortable in your own little world.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:53:21
257. IT'S "LOOKS"
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:53:22
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No Ireland prospers BETTER because of the EU grants than it would WITHOUT the EU GRANTS as would we all.
Nothing wrong with a bit of extra cash which is why Scotland should go it alone instead of giving up all our income and resourses in exchange for the barnett formula.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 14:54:19
there s/b their
lose the 's after Alexander
(Where DID I put my Ginko Biloba............I know it's around here somewhere.................................)
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:56:50
252. Excuse me. Along the way they've ditched the promises they solemnly made to dump student debt, to reduce class sizes to 18, to give first time buyers a £2000 grant, to promise two hours PE and school sports and continue to rebuild Scotland's schools. But they didn’t just ditch promises; they've made huge cuts in their commitments to expanding nursery provision, drug rehabilitation, support for carers and fully funded cuts in local taxation.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 14:59:04
264. read my post @ 266.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 14:59:39
256

The UK contributes a total of 5.27% of the EU budget.
Ireland takes 1.04% of the budget from the EU.
Hardly living high on the hog is it?
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 14:59:41
257 Bob
.......or least?
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 15:02:47
266

They have only ditched the 2000 fee to first time buyers on advice given to them by the industry.
It wasnt going to help anybody. The rest of your claims are bullsh*t and only put out by the opposition parties because the SNP havent gotten around to keeping these pledges "YET". like I said they still have about 3 years left to go.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:02:47
With the news that Ryan has now pulled out of the running as Labour candidate. Labour appear to be twisting in the wind, with now where to go!
This weekend the phones will be hot at Labour offices in Glasgow trying to get some idea of who they will now put up. I wonder if theve told Gordon Brown yet?
If they choose a 'volenteer' on Monday, they will have
exactly 16 days to get pamphlets published and out to the doors with a name. It is do-able, but the other parties have already made a start and will be campaigning this weekend, while the only thing that Labour party activists , including any Scottish MP's who took up the e-mail request is to tell people to vote for the Labour party candidate, whoever he/she is!
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Mikko,

05/07/2008 15:06:49
#268 MisterN you said it: UK gives, Ireland "takes". Thanks for making my point.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:07:35
270. Oh come on,a little truthfulness would not go amiss,the SNP boast that the last year has shown what the SNP can do for the people of Scotland. They should tell that to the people of Aberdeen facing school closures and £27m in cuts to vital local services; to the teachers in Renfrewshire angry at the budget cuts that will affect primary, secondary and special schools; the communities in Ross-shire that will lose five libraries because of council cuts; and the mothers in Edinburgh who protested against the decision to close half the city’s crèches.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 15:09:07
266

By the way troll both Labour and the Tories are fighting against getting any of these policies implemented simply because the SNP wants to introduce them.
Its the opposition by the opposition parties which is preventing these policies from being implemented not the SNP dropping them.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:11:32
#268 MisterN
You fail to state how much Ireland contributes to the EU budget and how much the UK gets back
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 05/07/2008 15:11:43
#260 MisterN The Scottish Parliament can only be dissolved and an election called, if two thirds of its members vote for it.

Th First Minister can not call it when he chooses.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 15:12:43
273

And all because of the LIB DEM controlled local council and their cack handed use of their budget.

Local councils all over the country have been cutting their budgets for decades in spite of the massive increaces in local taxation maybe you know why?
Maybe you can explain why local councils are cutting their budgets in spite of an 87% increace in council taxation over the last 10 years?
Cant put that one down to the SNP troll.
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 15:14:31
276

Not true look again.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:14:41
274. You would say that,like all nationalist you have been caught out,it's time Alex Salmond recognised that the people of Scotland expect his government to concentrate on the real issues that matter to them. Instead of the posturing on issues out with his remit like defence and appeals to foreign governments he should reflect on how his government has let down the people of Scotland in the last year.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:16:33
#273 elizabeth the first
Its a pity you live in England, If you wer actually here in Scotland you would know the truth behind these half baked stories
Such is the fact that present Aberdeen Council are havingto make sever cuts, due to the mismanagement and overspending of the previous administration
Or that there has to be cuts in the Renfrewshire budget for the same reason, or that school pupil numbers in certain Edinburgh schools are at a level that it doesnt make any sense to keep open
But if you think its ok to spend money where there is none and to keep schools open for the sake of keeping open, your mor half baked that the spurious articles that you read!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 15:20:32
279

That is an opinion not a fact.
In other words "you would say that" you have nothing to argue with nothing to contribute so you come on these threads with sh*te under god knows how many accounts. You have used at least 4 on this thread alone today.
Sad git.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:24:01
#279 elizabeth the first
Again, if you actually lived in Scotland, you would realise that the Scottish Government has made good progress in managing to fulfill its pledges in the first year despite being in a minority government and despite Labour making sure that not everything goes through!
THe Scottish Government has abolished Bridge Tolls on the Tay and Forth
They have started the reduction of over the next three years of prescriptions, with the chronic now paying nothing and the others heading towards paying nothing in 3 years time
The Scottish Government have been standing up for Scotland, in fighting to get funds held by the treasury owed to Scotland. To get better deals for Scottish fishermen
Scotland is now more confident and more self assured thanks to the efforts of the new Scottish Government
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:27:11
#279 elizabeth the first
'issues out with his remit like defence' ?????????
Obviously you know absolutly nothing about what goes on in Scotland! But the First minister is quite right to comment on any aspect that affects Scotland and that includes Defence matters
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:28:14
280. AU CONTRAIR,i am very much in Scotland,unless Killearn has been teleported to England,the SNP also promised to make economic growth their priority. So far they have cancelled the rail link to Edinburgh Airport, refused to support direct air routes to Scotland, rejected calls to invest in Scotland's digital infrastructure, ended adult modern apprenticeships in sectors like IT, Hospitality and Tourism and pressed ahead with plans to make Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:32:42
284. Is that part of his remit,no,so why doesn't he concentrate on what he has been elected to do. A year on, to make their budget balance, they have had to ditch promises, cutback on others, and cut existing programmes completely, passing the buck to local government and the voluntary sector instead of shouldering responsibility for their own spending decisions.
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chico y,

Alba 05/07/2008 15:41:49
Clunking fist you're a goner.

Bwing it on !



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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:42:57
288. Sticks and stones,as for your "scottish students sould be grateful" really! scots student debt rises to £2bn despite SNP election pledge
ANDREW DENHOLM, Education Correspondent June 13 2008
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The government was yesterday facing demands to apologise to Scottish students over the pre-election promise to "dump the debt" after new figures revealed that the total amount owed has passed the £2bn mark.

Official statistics show the total debt owed by students at the end of the last financial year was £2.05bn, a rise of 11% on the previous year.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:45:51
#285 elizabeth the first
'they have cancelled the rail link to Edinburgh Airport' Erhm that was on good advise actually! The route that was proposed was ill conceived, as it went under the main runway. BAA wanted in effect a blank cheque in the event something went wrong!
'refused to support direct air routes to Scotland' - Since when?? They have been at the forefront to encourage direct routes, which is probably why, despite the currentsituation re fuel, that there are more direct flights to/from Edinburgh
The Scottish Government also dumped the demeaning and stupid slogan 'Best Wee country in the World' which cost more money than it was worth thanks to McConnell!
And as for the 'highest taxed land' remark, thats a load of old tosh as well, but being such a fool as you evidently are, your living in some alternat universe
The Scottish Government wasnt to do away with the present council tax structure, where by people pay extortanate amounts regardless of their earnings and replac it with a fairer local tax system whereby those on low pay or pensioners, pay a lot less or nothing, as its dependent on earnings
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 15:46:39
238 Alfie Bett

Cheers Alfie Bett !

Let's share a bit of time dissecting a headline or two, in this Unionist Rag, post by-election.
Should be interesting reading !
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:46:52
Better stick to Labour my good friends in Glasgow East,if you vote SNP you are on a hiding to nothing,at least Labour pay you for nothing.
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chico y,

Alba 05/07/2008 15:47:42
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Frankie Howard for Labour candidate
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 15:49:10

238 Alfie Bett,

Good post and solid reasoning, I totally agree every point you make.

I've contested as a candidate in the Bailieston area and if slab ARE campaigning on save maggie brown the it is possible that they might.

However the SNP are going to fight a positive election and John Mason, whose council seat is one third of this constituency is going to be a hard man to beat.
Apparently John was also elected with more than 50% of the vote in his seat, so no need for the second places votes which is also positive.

Anway I'll be comming up on the 18th for the last week of the campaign and hope to bump into all the old faces, and of course the new ones too.

Looking forward to the fight, Soar Alba a Nis
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 15:49:20
Elizabeth the First;

So what would you rather have in government in Scotland.

The New Labour Sleaze Party???????????????
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:49:40
#287 Liz the first
Do you not pay any attention to what is being said?
or are you naturally stupid!
YOur the type that will not listen regardless of whats put in front of you, choosing instead your own Daily Mail version of events
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chico y,

Alba 05/07/2008 15:50:36
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Yes, vote for people that won't help you out of poverty, who are liars, will put up your taxes and commit you to an illegal war.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 15:51:26
285 etf
If you would take the time to peruse global editions of the online media, you would realize that air routes are being reduced all over the planet.
287 etf
I have ditched and cutback many of my promises to myself in order to balance my budget due to the state of the economy. It is only being balanced because I am doing without what I once considered essentials.

I expect the government to do the same. Nobody's money is going as far as it did a year ago. This is not exclusive to Scotland, in case you hadn't noticed.
Can you spell GLOBAL.

The point is, Labour had a free hand when the going was good and they didn't make good on THEIR promises. The SNP is forging ahead at a distinct disadvantage and they are getting it right.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:52:37
Can we get back on topic, which is the Glasgow East By election and a Labour party that doesnt have a candidate..
Any suggestions real or not as to who they can persuade with a big fat bribe of £ 24,000 of John Lewis shopping vouchers, to take on the role of villian
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 15:52:52

PS, I don't know if you've heard ? but Ryan and Purcel have both ruled themselves out as candidates
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 15:53:45
299.Anything other than the lying,cheating,full of broken promises SNP.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 15:54:13
Elizabeth the First;

And as you live in Engerland why are you so keen for us to remain serfs to London?????

Oil revenue perhaps?????????????
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Edward,

05/07/2008 15:58:57
#305 pehman
I knew Ryan had escaped, didnt realise Purcell had also been posted missing
It just get funnier and funnier as it goes on
Surely there is some one out there thats keen on
£ 24000 worth of shopping at John Lewis!

Just a thought, but what happens if they really cant get anyone?
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 15:59:16
308 BoP
Are you sure it isn't a fishy smell?
(Apologies to Spook and Ayrshire)
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 16:00:06
285 elizabeth the first

"So far they have cancelled the rail link to Edinburgh Airport, refused to support direct air routes to Scotland, rejected calls to invest in Scotland's digital infrastructure, ended adult modern apprenticeships in sectors like IT,"

I just knew that Toy Tram would have knock on effects.

By the way, at the risk of seeming pedantic, but having checked my glasses today. the expression is Au contraire !
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:00:30
307. please refer to my post @ 285.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 16:00:52
I would stand for New Labour Sleaze just to help them out.

"Free greasy pies for all" should do the trick!!
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:01:14
310 Edward
There will be dancing in the streets.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:02:25
313. Mock all you like!
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 16:02:33

310 Edward,

I've just heard that Margaret Curran, "might" be thinking it over ?
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 16:03:05
elizabeth the first

Please refer to my post @299.

No answer????????????????
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:06:10
317 etf
Thanks for the permission.
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Edward,

05/07/2008 16:07:37
#318 pehman
LOL!
DOes she come with translator?
She is supposed to be going for Holyrood Labour Leader, unless of course Labour offer her a two for one deal and lots of lovely shopping at John Lewis thrown in! Labour leader at Holyrood AND MP for Glasgow East, she could do that easily
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 16:07:41
elizabeth the first

As I've said to you many times before, what is your man thinking about letting you waste time on here, when you should be doing the hoosework??

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Green,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 16:09:30
Eileen Duke, recently retired as a GP in Glasgow, has been selected to stand for the Scottish Green Party.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:09:51
318 pehman
I heard Frances Curran is also standing. Can you imagine the potential disaster?
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 16:10:21
317 elizabeth the first

I would never mock the afflicted, you're quite safe !
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roughrider,

Glasgow 05/07/2008 16:10:28
Lizzy hen, yer wasting yer wee fingers away posting your anti SNP tripe. Labour are going to get a hiding.
The Slab PUPPETS ruled from westmonster did F*** all for eight long miserable years.
Ubendy the self confessed crook had to resign but keeps her grubby snout in the trough by mis representing the people of paisley as an MSPee.
liebour are nothing but selfseeking parasites no talent
not a brain amongst any of the so called leader candidates.
I have to laugh out load at the idiots who come on here and try to defend their TOTAL INCOMPETENCE AND CORRUPTION not to mention their ignorance as to what they are supposed to represent.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:10:45
308. You and your like are the problem with this country,no manners,rude,obnoxious and crass.
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pehman,

sussex 05/07/2008 16:10:50

322 Edward, Don't forget, Alex is still an mp too
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:11:43
328.Would you like to put a wee wager on that.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:12:09
RE 326
Etertainment would probably be a better choice than disaster.
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:14:49
oops.........eNtertainment.
Note to self; D@mn, Where IS that Ginkgo.......................
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:14:50
oops.........eNtertainment.
Note to self; D@mn, Where IS that Ginkgo.......................
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MtnKat,

05/07/2008 16:15:50
I rest my case.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:26:06
333. My dear spook in Leith, old i may be in your eyes,but guess i could teach you and your like a thing or two,especially about good manners.
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Jimmy the Pie,

05/07/2008 16:26:11
Maggie Curran - now there is a name to bring fear to everyone. Once this screaming harridan gets on the job you can all look out!

She'll make Mugabe's henchmen look civilised!!!


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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:28:14
336. You arrogant individual,all mouth and no trousers.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:34:16
339. would YOU like to make a wee wager!
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MisterN,

Scotland 05/07/2008 16:35:47
If anybody hasnt cottoned on to the fact that lizzie the first is AM2 yet then you really need to wake up.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:36:34
344. Good for you,@ 52 do i care! try your ignorance with me.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:38:06
347. Lets put it this way,you haven't lived!
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:39:06
346. Now who the hell is AM2.
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South Gyle Prisoner,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 16:39:56
Chickens normally come home to roost but but so far the Labour chickens are afraid to roost in Glasgow East just in case they get roasted instead
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 16:40:49
340 Bird of Prey

I really do wish for the same result as you, but beware !
The Unionist machine is building this up to look like a potential disaster for Labour, so that when they win, it will seem like a triumph for Brown,
Instead of what it's probably been all along, a foregone conclusion.
Listen carefully to the spinning sounds in the background.
It's the Labour Spin Meisters hard at it, aided and abetted by the likes of 'the Scotsman', a fine example of Unionist Ideology, and 'balanced' reporting.
If the SNP pull this one off, it will be brilliant, but do keep your sharp sense of eyesight focussed on that spin.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:43:21
Good Evening all,have fun with your conspirators theories
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john z,

edinburgh 05/07/2008 16:44:03
Three weeks to go, and the main labour candidate George Ryan has now officially pulled out.

You couldn't make it up.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 16:44:14
347 Spook

"347. Lets put it this way,you haven't lived!"

Spook, consider yourself lucky !
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:48:07
356. Is your grandma 52,go about your business,but don't criticise others,live and let live!
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:50:36
356. So you were out of bed before 6am,that's the time i got up.
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elizabeth the first ,

05/07/2008 16:52:20
360. If you think 52 is old,you really are a sad case.
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Traquir , Alba,

05/07/2008 16:53:03
Can it get any better for the SNP - well
apparently yes - prospective candidate for
leader of Scottish Labour in Holyrood
Margaret Curran has announced she now
WILL be a candidate for Glasgow East.

Apparently being a Westminster MP is more
important to her than heading up some
provincial Labour group in Scotland :)
The cunning plan of trying to have the SNP
die laughing is gaining momentum.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 16:57:43
360 The Spook in Leith

Unfortunately I may already be of a similar age myself, but if I survive, I promise to hold the rifle steady, it would be tantamount to cruelty not to !
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 17:04:21
362 elizabeth the first

Well Liz as you are younger than I am, I'll join Spook on this one, and lower the rifle.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 17:09:25
366 Bird of Prey

Well if Labour do win, perhaps you could fly over them, and lose your deposit !
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 17:15:16
370 Methalions

Originality doesn't seem to be a Unionist strongpoint.
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European Scot,

05/07/2008 17:18:58
372 The Spook in Leith

Brave man !
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Saul Tyre,

Germany 05/07/2008 17:23:39
'Labour launched its opening salvo in the life-or-death by-election yesterday with a visit by Cabinet minister Douglas Alexander and four other leading figures to the constituency to convince voters to stay loyal to the party.'

Sending scarecrows to win over voters?
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 17:57:03
People of Glasgow East, please seize your chance and kick these sleaze ridden war criminals into touch.

Having read all the posts, the numpty of the week award goes to Elizabeth the First, with Boudica a very close second.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 05/07/2008 17:59:22
#364. Zanulabours new tactic. "Get out and vote for us or we send the Currans round."

With her melted welly of a face they will be out in there droves to vote.


"Doomed doomed I tell ye."


ALBA GU BRATH
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:01:15
#364 Traquir

You forgot your tiny 'urls', whatever they may be...
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:02:09
I hope the Conservatives take the seat. It's Time!
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:08:51
Boris Johnson should stand for the election - I think he would have a good chance.

Toodle-tip!
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 05/07/2008 18:12:58
I just read Curran's CV. Yet another committee leach that has never had a real job in her life.
What ever happened to the party of the working class?
None of then appear to have worked.
Doesn't "Labour" imply dirty hands, boiler suits, sore backs and Tennants and futba on Saturdays.
These idiots haven't a clue. No wonder England is in such a sorry state.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 18:12:58
The Tin Man; do you fancy a wager?

I'll give odds.

Time.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 18:14:56
I hope they loose.

Anyone who votes labour is completely mad.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 05/07/2008 18:15:16
"Ahm voatin fur the Curran wumman"
This by-election is becoming more and more bizarre. Are you sure this is not some script from 'Yes Minister' The election where two of the candidates (both women) might have the same name.

No wonder they are postponing the Labour leader election till after Glasgow East. Margaret Curran will probably still be eligible for that. Maybe she is using Glasgow East as a boost to her profile and a dry run before the real contest for Wendy's seat at Holyrood.

Will Kathy Jamieson, Andy Kerr and who's the other one? all be going round saying what an absolutely exceptional candidate Margaret Curran is and then she uses their great words of praise for her to floor them for the Labour leadership post?

Or have they wheeled her into Glasgow East to get her out of their contest. Machieveli is alive and well in Glasgow Labour politics.
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:15:55
#388

Perhaps not...
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/07/2008 18:26:58
392:-)
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Dan?!
Do you mean the economy of Norway?
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Pocket Dictionary,

05/07/2008 18:34:12
I'm thoroughly disappointed at the lack of fruitcakes standing in this election?

Is it that bad, the Monster Raving Loonies even see it as a bad gig?
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 05/07/2008 18:36:19
Whit can you say aboot da Aest End:?

Reid Street in Brigton, idderweys kent as 'Deid Street'I keen whit wey but A'm no sayin.

Meetin a fox on da pavement in Brigton, at dennertime.

Dalmarnock: much abused but still twartree fok dere wi life atill dem.

GEAR - £500,000,000 spent on contamination; no enoch.

Liebore may win dis ane? or no? So whit. Scotland will be free in my lifetime.

Brawly guid bernes. brawly guid.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 05/07/2008 18:38:09
PS Jackie Baillie et aa da pies.

hmm. or wis dat der Eckmeister?
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Truely English,

05/07/2008 18:40:07
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Is this Scots?
If it is then it's an English Dialect, no more no less.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 05/07/2008 18:42:18
Scots it is, wi a Shaeltan twang.

I hae nae truck wi Eenglish dialect (nae sheem tae't tho).
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Truely English,

05/07/2008 18:48:07
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I have no truck with English dialect (not ashamed of it either though)

The Scots speak English just as the rest of the British people do.
Why are they deluding themselves. Just accept that we are all the same in Britain.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 18:48:24
Hello Spook
You note that 'According to NUS Scotland, students working 20 hours (the Scottish average) will see an increase of £238 a year in income tax contributions'.

Don't forget to add a bit more for LIT when that comes in.
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:51:35
Time for a hosed-down-skeleton with chips, smothered in salt (de-rigor), and a bottle of Grant's industrial vodka (smashing).

Hi-ho, toodle-pip.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 18:55:02
#294 Edward

There may be a good case for the cancellation of the direct rail link to the airport, but SNP's dislike of the tram link gets less and less rational as the price of oil goes up and up. I used to be against the tram line but I came round when the price of oil went up.
Besides the SNP is always going on about Ireland. Dublin has a tramline from the city to Dublin airport. Why doesn't the SNP support a tramline for Edinburgh airport? The only reason I can think of is that someone else thought of it first.
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Truely English,

05/07/2008 18:57:45
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I can just see the voters of the Glasgow East area in Glasgow taking note of what you say especially as so many people in Scotland are against Gaelic.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 19:00:16
#408 Yes I do welcome the end of the graduate endowment fee ... but ...
Scottish Universities do need more income, if not from student fees then from somewhere else. We ought to have at least one world class University and for that more money is needed.
Both Labour and the SNP should tell us how they propose to make good our Universities' shortfall relative to England and other English speaking countries.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 19:01:43
#408

LIT is a disater waiting to happen. Anyone who tinkers with income tax will come unstuck. This is an iron law of politics.
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05/07/2008 19:01:49
#413

I quite like Garlic.
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Truely English,

05/07/2008 19:03:25
The Scots are great to work with and have as neighbours but I do not understand their obsession with trying to be different from the English as it is clear they are not.

We share the same concerns and have the same needs.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 19:11:31
Exclusive preview of the official SLabour candidate for Glasgow East.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Shrek_2_Donkey_L_poster.jpg
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You called?
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Alba Abú,

Dunedin 05/07/2008 19:21:17
#189 Good post! The poem Easter 1916 by William Butler Yeats is worth a read.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 19:51:25
Can't wait until the newspapers begin their reporting on the final run up to polling.

I recall 1977 and the last week before the GE. The Scotsman went ott in support of za nu lie boor party. It even prompted me to write a song about it.

I shall now proceed to remind you all;-

We are, we will be, we were way back, when
Ian had a balanced wod for allhis people, then
Changed days and changed days as no change came around
Gathering new following, worshipping the ground

Out of the woodwork and onto the press
Throwbacks, cronyhacks, Newjays (NUJs) with redress
Bravehearts will depart when they get put down
And Old Red Wanda (Donald Dewar, anagram) gets the Peter Fonda Easy Ride to town.

There is more but I do not wish to bore.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 19:53:49
Oh deary me. 438 has a typo. It was 1997.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 19:53:52
#436

Sorry I didn't reply to your earlier post(s). I was having my supper.
My positions are not contradictory.
(1) Universities are at least as much about research as about teaching undergraduates. At present Scottish Universities' research income is being used to cross-subsidise teaching. In the long run this is unsustainable. The parties should tell us what they are going to do about it.
(2) In my view Universities should be free to set their own fees. This would probably result in low fees for Unis like Glasgow Cally and much higher ones for Glasgow or Strathclyde. In other words Universities are not equal. Students would get what they pay for. Higher fees in top Universities could be mitigated by state-sponsored bursaries and scholarships - or privately-funded scholarships for that matter.
(3) The state's revenue should be augmented by fees, tolls and charges rather than by ever-increasing direct taxation. Higher direct taxation is an incentive to tax avoidance and evasion. And making the user pay is a good principle in itself. (Example: Cancelling the toll on the Forth Road Bridge merely provides a subsidy for people who commute from Fife to Edinburgh by road. Why should they be subsidised? If they choose to live in Fife and work in Edinburgh they should pay the full cost of their journey.)
(3) The 10 per cent fiasco was caused by Gordon Brown ending the practice of raising the income tax threshold in line with inflation. He thought that he could get away with it by introducing the 10 per cent band. When 10 per cent was ended the tax threshold should have been raised so that no-one would lose out.
(4) LIT is shot through anomalies, not least it isn't local. There will be more losers than winners, including full time students working 20 hours a week.
(5) I voted SNP last year because I was fed up with Labour.

You may see these as contradictory. I don't.

Finally, I have no idea who AM2 is. I suspect he may work for Labour.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 19:57:44
Re 438. The other apparent mistakes are not typos caused by alcheimers (he lied) but purely due to copyright issues.
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 20:05:04
#438 Jock Tamson, and all yor other posts


"There is more but I do not wish to bore"

Never stopped u before.......he he he
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:05:08
440, Publius.

Do you relly think that anyone would study at a particular university because it had good research facilities? And do you think that only students of that university get jobs in self said research facilities "if" they graduate?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:07:52
442, Nikostratos, likewise. And at my age, why should I care?
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 20:13:44
#445 Jock Tamson

Age may not always lead wisdom but it does give a certain amount of 'What The F#ck'
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:23:06
447, Nikostratos, I think I walk a fairly straight line between the wisdom of experience and letting younger people breathe.

BUT I WILL NOT TOLERATE.........*add your own
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 20:25:17
#448


Thats Unionists 'ZEN'
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:26:57
Ayreshire, wish I had the luxury of alternating between the ™ version and non ™ version of your sign in name.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 20:36:28
#449 No I have no idea who AM2 is. I suspect AM2 may be a cover name for several people working for Labour, simply because AM2 sends posts round the clock. For the same reason I also suspect Miss M is a cover name for several people working for the SNP.
You are wilfully miscontruing my comments about LIT. I do not support direct taxation on the low paid, whether students or not. Never have. Never will. As things stand LIT will simply add to their burden. But quite apart from this, I think LIT is a daft idea anyway.
I voted for the SNP last year because Labour at Holyrood and in local government were terrible. Their performance ranged from uninspiring to incompetent to downright corrupt, so it was time for a change.
I am not much interested in policies or manifestos. Events often overtake them. Last year I thought the SNP were right to oppose the Edinburgh tram system, because it looked like a costly white elephant. Now I think trams are a good idea - simply because the price of oil has shot up. I wish the SNP would change their minds too.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:37:00
Interestingly enough - and also for Niko, re research at universities - the spelling of Ayreshire at my post @ 453 is not incorrect. That is how Ayr used to be spelt (spelled?) Ayre.

I have a copy of the Ragman Roll from 1296 and would be most delighted to send a jpg of that fact to anyone who cares to post their e-mail address on here - or should that be anyone who dares to......?
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The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 20:40:07
Ayrshire Scot also works for the SN Party, but I don't think he gets paid.
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 20:42:38
Ayrshire­ Scot™


What is it u Nats have got against this blog 648 votes in about a month isn't a lot...so why aren't you nats banging the votes out?

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 20:49:44
461, Ayreshire, do you know anymore none hit wonders?
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05/07/2008 20:55:14
Ayrshire­ Scot™,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3fDXsPE0Sc
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 20:56:17
#461 Airshire (Bronze Age spelling)
Disregarding the 'Boring' bit - which long haired lovely was your goodself?
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 20:56:18
#458 Ayrshire­ Scot™

1. I dislike direct taxation on low paid people. LIT simply adds to the tax burden on the low paid. All income tax on the poorly paid is a disincentive to work.
2. University education has to be paid for. At present it is subsidised from research income. Charging fees is quite rational: it makes the cost of teaching transparent. Why should people who leave school at 16 and enter lowpaid jobs pay taxes to subsidise University students who will eventually earn far more in their lifetime? University fees work well in the USA. Why not in Scotland? Allow Universities to set their own fees and you will find that bursaries, scholarships and endowments of all kinds will come to life.
3. I suspect AM2 works for Labour because his posts read extracts from briefs for politicians. I would hazard a guess he (or they) are researcher for MP or MSP. I also suspect that Miss M is a researcher(s) for an MP or MSP.
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brownlie,

05/07/2008 20:58:56
455 Publius

Who is this Miss M that works for us, ahem, I mean, works for them?

She is not on their pay-roll when I was making it up as part of my practice for claiming expenses.

Is she in a politically correct James Bond film?

More to the point, why has Elizabeth the First moved from Bearsden to Killearn - you need a good memory when you're a multiple poster.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 21:01:34
467, brownlie, your post sounds like the trailer to the next episode of Soap.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 21:07:37
#467 Brownlie
Perhaps Miss M is a man.

Also Elizabeth the First. And Boudica. But I don't pretend to understand what makes them tick or what their posts about.
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 21:07:37
#466 Publius

Even the 'Dogs in the street know' AM2 is a true blue tory
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ThomasP,

05/07/2008 21:09:27
#466

"University education has to be paid for."

This is not England. Our education is free and should remain free. University is already expensive and we can not allow University to be for the rich and most privilaged in society.

"I dislike direct taxation on low paid people. LIT simply adds to the tax burden on the low paid. All income tax on the poorly paid is a disincentive to work."

I would rather have direct tax, then we can take away the stealth taxes and the other taxes the Government adds so they can generate money for the country.
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brownlie,

05/07/2008 21:10:50
Truely English

Chan'eil thu glic!!!

Jock tamson

Not on your lifebuoy!
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 21:11:35
#443 Jock Tamson

It's not what I think, Jock. It's a fact. The more prestigious the University (measured by research as well as teaching) the higher the demand for places. All Universities are not equal.
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 21:14:08
470 Nikostratos

Could be you're right about AM2 ...but like me you're only guessing.

Have you noticed he's mellowed a bit of late? I wonder what he's on. Can you get it from Boots?
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Publius,

Girvan 05/07/2008 21:16:00
I'm off to the pub.
Good night all.
Publius
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 21:19:39
IDs of various posters aside, the undeniable fact is that Labour sphincters are very twitchy, and small wonder. There is a high degree of unease in society, much of it down to the sheer incompetence, and blind arrogance, of the people we elected last time round. It is about time 'None of the above' appeared as an option on voting papers.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 21:20:57
Re my 476 - 'we' is not 'me', by the way.
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Nikostratos,

05/07/2008 21:25:51
#474

No not guessing its what he told me............
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 05/07/2008 21:30:48
Labour are running scared, bring it on INDEPENDENCE HERE WE COME, and at last get RID OF THE RIP OFF english!!!!
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snecked,

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Publius
Under the present LIT proposals very few sudents will pay anything as their incomes will fall well below the personal taxation allowance level -as will be the case also with low paid and most pensioners. Paying for education excludes many trapped in the lower social categories from an escape to better things.Free eduction revolutionised Britain. Present trends exacerbated by huge charges on students are steadily reversing this and growing an underclass again. No amount of sophistry can contradict that.
Not everybody wants to benefit from free advanced education. No one who does should be discouraged from benefitting by concerns about money or debt.
The US is not a good example to quote on this subject.

Question Time

I wonder what kind of outrage there would have been in Brighton or Bournemouth if a Question Time broadcast from there had had a panel including two obscure Scottish politicians and Andy Cameron.
What we got last week was two obscure English politicians and an English comedian (allegedly )on a Question Time from Scotland.
Of course what we got was four Brits against one Nationalist and they lost no time in getting stuck into the Constitutional Question and Nicola Sturgeon. Nicola was terrific in the circumstance but the Question Time was a disgrace.
Are we short of Scottish politicians? Are there no Scottish comedians?(George Foulkes could qualify in either capacity). There have been enough media persons declaring for Independence recently to give the programme balance if that had been the aim.
We should all complain.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 21:37:25
#481 danielrober
Is that a reference to sphincter propulsion?
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jacquesmac,

Lectoure 05/07/2008 21:48:13
#310
There is always a braindead labour Numptie looking for self agrandisement and then, inevitably at this juncture oblivion; cushioned by the hope of the odd 24K plus

Talk about lemmings

WhOOOOOOOOOOOOOOsssssssssssssssshhhhhhh

pppppplllllloooonnnnkkkkkkkkkkk!
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jacquesmac,

Up Aase's pomy 05/07/2008 21:50:57
Labour have not slid down the grasy pole!

The pole is quite properm it is the labour party that is greasy.

The Greasy Pole is innocent!
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 21:53:49
#488 danielrober
I shall be obliged to research this form of movement in greater depth.
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jacquesmac,

Up Aase's pony 05/07/2008 21:54:14
Elisabeth 1 = kimbo

Kimbo posts = legs a kimbo!

Too much showing hen!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 21:57:36
Oh, that wuz a braw feed - lamb escalopes from 1502.

Did I read someone talking about the holice - chief insphincter and all that? Adds a hole new meaning to " ello, ello, ello".
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 22:05:00
#493 JT - Will you be allowed to puff at will in Amsterdam?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 22:11:37
495, Van, who is Will? Isn't Amsterdam vanderfull?

How's the smoking ban going anyway? Haven't been there sinse April. Get my cigs from Frans Versluis on Damrak
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 22:15:05
#497 JT
Der vans neerly alvays halff empty. As for the place, neerest I been iss Schipol. I not know Vill eider.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 22:20:08
497, Van, why do you put Amsterdam as part of your location?
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Traquir , Alba,

05/07/2008 22:23:23
391 danielrobber

Well I just got back and it would appear
you have been getting a bit over excited again.
You appear to be repetively asking me question
about something called "New Britain" ? I have no idea
what you are talking about, but you mention the
magical year 1968 for some reason as some
pivotal point at which Britain started becoming
new again where every body pulled together
to recapture the glory days of old. Putting aside
the patently delusional claptrap may a bring
to your attention that 6 years after the start
of the New Britain era the British Government
was completely bankrupt and would likely have
ended up in the same state or worse than
the current set of economically disadvantaged
countries that you appear to be scoffing at.
However Scottish oil was discovered and of course
via the McCrone report hidden from the Scottish
people. Basically the only reason Britain has
an economy of the current level is by theft and
deception, nothing to do with hard work and
all pulling together whilst singing God Save
The Queen. I must say the the New Britain
invention is a good one and I suggest you
have it added to the Guide on How To
Preserve The Union - see tinyurl/5ncw8z

Slainte Mhor
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 22:24:44
So sad
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steve52,

Kinfauns 05/07/2008 22:33:14
My hope is that all those 'Scottish@ Labour MPs who are coming to the east end of Glasgow remind the poorer folks there how much they have just vored themselves in expenses...............far far more than the earnings of the vast majority of eastenders.

Speaking to some of the locals today I found not a one who was going to vote Labour and the reasons given were that Labour were worse now than the conservatives ever were.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 22:33:33
#498 JT
Stand by to be bored sh1tless. Why would an actor, of sorts, want to be known as Vin Diesel? Every time I heard the name I wanted to say Van Diesel (Diesel Van). Our business does have a van, and is is white. However, white van man is detested, and rightly so. Accordingly, I have said that it is not white, even though it is. Leading on from all that, van (as you have identified) has Nederland connotations - hence Amsterdam. Rudolf Diesel, inventor of said engine, I believe, had close association with Augsburg.
Are you still with me? Plus, I figured that if Guga II could live on Rockall, I could be in Amsterdam and Augsburg, and at the same time be in neither.
I had thought of being Mini Driver. Gave up on that one as I did not want to run the risk of being propositioned by fellahs. No, We don't have a mini.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 22:50:53
502, Van. Oh dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear. 500 was for you.

501, steve52. Ah, Kinfauns
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 05/07/2008 22:53:05
485 snecked
I agree with your comments about Question Time.
I thought the whole purpose of traipsing round the country was to give an insight into the views and opinions of the locals of that area with reflective replies from their representatives. Three of the panelists (the libdem, tory and the comedian) had only limited knowledge of the Scottish political scene. Only Cairns and Sturgeon could give this insight.

Is Scottish politics now so removed from that of the UK that the BBC can no longer trust a discussion by Scots or of a Scottish perspective to the wider British public without causing confusion and fearing their viewers will switch off? If that is the case it looks like Scotland has already taken a divergent path that will lead to independence. It is only a matter of time.

Just seen the BBC news where Glasgow East took a surprisingly prominent slot. The disarray in Labour was there for the whole of the UK to see. If Margaret Curran is selected this will be a win for the SNP.

Either Mason wins in Glasgow East for the SNP, or if he fails, he lands up being selected in the Baillieston by-election in the Scotish parliament, where he is already the most popular local councillor.

I cannot believe Margaret Curran would sit in both seats, unless she stands down from Holyrood at the next General or Scottish election, as Salmond plans to do at the next UK General election.
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scotstoun_voter,

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oh dear oh dear oh dear poor mr brown cant get a candidate to stand so he twists margarte currands harm- would love to have heard that converstaions "da it maggie or your no getting the leadership"
How funny but sad they cant even get a candidate london labour called this election mayeb they will forget to put the nomination papers in as well lol.
poor maggie curran having to fly the london flag for broon you could almost feel sorry for her - but i dont!
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 05/07/2008 22:54:49
#503 JT
Thought I had sent you to sleep, and as for the sympathetic response, it was all very logical to me. Must go now. The men in white suits are here.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 22:55:02
501, Steve52. Les Honeyman. Do you remember him? ffs I've been through the alphabet backwards and forwards for 20 minutes and as soon as I posted 503 I remembered. He was from Kinfauns.
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Big Red,

Aberdeen 05/07/2008 22:57:45

can I suggest that everybody that has the Scotland at heart gets onto www.snp.org, and either donates money or time (preferably both) to the cause.
Labour will throw anything at this in a desperate attempt to buy the seat.
We have to be ready to fight the good fight...

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steve52,

Kinfauns 05/07/2008 23:00:35
Sorry JT cannot say I have heard of him............he must have been a Labour candidate..at one time...hahaha
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steve52,

Kinfauns 05/07/2008 23:03:11
#508 Are you suggesting that this seat is on the John Lewis shopping list?????
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 23:03:49
An everyday soap about people who sexually abuse animals - beastenders.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 23:08:23
509, Steve52. He died a good few years ago. Stayed on a steading on the right as you go through from Perth to Bridge of Earn. He was a singer/guitarist - complete with wooly jumper and beard.
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weeshooie1,

Wollongong 05/07/2008 23:21:09
Steve52 #501,

Is that Kinfauns (As in 'The Drum')
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/07/2008 23:32:34
he brought down Happy Days, you know.
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Jock Tamson,

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'kin Fonz
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Jock Tamson,

schlafzimmer 05/07/2008 23:36:13
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