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'Bonfire of the quangos' described as a 'damp squib'



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Published Date: 31 January 2008
ALEX Salmond's long-awaited "bonfire of the quangos" was unveiled yesterday and immediately condemned as a "damp squib" that would make no real difference to the size or the cost of the public sector in Scotland.
The First Minister announced the abolition of 17 public bodies yesterday, claiming he had cut the size of the quango state by a quarter.

Among the changes is the amalgamation of the Deer Commission and Scottish Natural Heritage and the abolition of a swathe of advisory boards.

The General Teaching Council for Scotland will also become a self-regulating body along the lines of the General Medical Council.

However, opposition politicians claimed most of the bodies scrapped by Mr Salmond were advisory committees that cost very little to run and employed few staff.

And they demanded to know how much money would be saved by the cuts and how many jobs would go as a result of the quango cull.

Mr Salmond said it was impossible to provide that sort of detail at this stage. And he defended his actions, claiming he was making good on his promise to "declutter" the government of Scotland, a change that would benefit both the private and public sectors

The First Minister announced last year that he would cut Scotland's 199 public bodies by a quarter. Yesterday, he published a list of 17 that are to be scrapped over the next three years, plus 35 that have already been abolished by the Scottish Government.

Mr Salmond claimed that total of 52 met his pledge of cutting the quango state by a quarter, but said another 40 bodies would be reviewed over the next three years and some of them might also be abolished.

He told MSPs that the plans "represent the most ambitious drive to reduce government bureaucracy since devolution".

Of the 35 public bodies scrapped in the past eight months by the Scottish Government, 32 were children's panels, which have been merged into one body, and five of the 17 changes announced yesterday involve advisory committees.

Political opponents claimed Mr Salmond was merely cutting the number of quangos for show and failing to address the cost of the public bodies to the taxpayer.

And they argued that Mr Salmond had failed to mention any of the new bodies he created since taking office, including the Broadcasting Commission.

Wendy Alexander, the Scottish Labour leader, said the bonfire of the quangos had turned into a "damp squib".

She added: "Alex Salmond forgot to mention 23 of the 24 new organisations his government has created since he entered office. It is right to ensure value for money for the public purse, but there is an absence of detail on how these efficiencies will be made.

"If this is nothing more than a rebadging exercise, then the savings promised will not be forthcoming."

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservative leader, said the move was "52 cards being reshuffled, redealt and remaining at 52 cards".

She added: "The question every taxpayer wants answered is how many fewer people will be employed and how much money will be saved to the public purse. After today's statement, we are none the wiser."

Meanwhile, Nicol Stephen, for the Lib Dems, said: "Seventy-six new bodies being created by this government and rising, all supported by a total of 50 reviews and 91 new consultations.

"Why doesn't the First Minister admit he is adding to the clutter and the truth is that, for everything he has dropped, he has brought in something new?"

Why efficiency drive fails to make the cut

WHEN is a quango not a quango? When it hasn't been abolished by the Scottish Government.

Yesterday's assault on quangos by the First Minister promised a great deal and, at first glance, it appeared to deliver.

A swathe of public bodies were being axed, Alex Salmond announced.

He claimed to have abolished 35 in the past eight months and another 17 with his statement to parliament yesterday.

That's it. We now have slimmer, leaner government with less bureaucracy and savings for front-line services.

Well, not quite. The first problem is that no-one really seems to know what is a quango and what isn't, so it is impossible to say with any certainty how many actual quangos have been abolished. When the Scottish Government was asked for a list of the 199 quangos it claimed existed in Scotland, it produced a list of about 70. Some of the quangos which Mr Salmond claimed were abolished or merged or under review as a result of yesterday's statement weren't even on that list.

Also, Mr Salmond was unable to say how much money would be saved from his changes and how many jobs would go, because he doesn't know.

What he has done is get rid of a long list of advisory committees; these are the boards of experts and professionals put together to deal with something in their area of expertise. They are often unpaid and the committees usually do a reasonably worthwhile job.

Now many are gone. Perhaps that is a good thing, but it won't save much money. The real money in Scotland's quango state is in the executive bodies – these are the big ones with premises and staff and public money to spend. These are the real quangos.

These tend to look after areas such as housing, water, enterprise and prisons. Some of these have been merged or brought into the government, and while they will disappear as organisations, their function and staff will remain because they are necessary.

Mr Salmond claimed his quango cull would at least cut back on advertising spend, because the board vacancies would not have to be advertised in newspapers, as they are now. And he claimed that private-sector productivity might improve by 1 per cent, because of the lack of bureaucracy.

Both those are possible, but it is impossible to avoid the impression that this was little more than an exercise in smoke and mirrors, and the real savings, which Mr Salmond promised, will not materialise unless he is more ruthless and more determined to reduce the scope and power of the state.

The full article contains 1036 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Royster,

31/01/2008 00:11:58
No problem with cutting quangos. It does look like Salmond has bottled it though.
2

Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:16:41
He claims to have 'cut' 52 quangos but cannot say how much money will be saved or how many jobs will be lost?

All he has done is MERGE them into far larger agencies. How does that benefit the taxpayer? What has he achieved?

And what about the 24 NEW quangos he has created since just last May?

"Mr Salmond claimed his quango cull would at least cut back on advertising spend, because the board vacancies would not have to be advertised in newspapers."

Wow! Now you're talking! The man's an idiot!
3

Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:27:28
Can't wait to see how all the SNP loyalists spin this!

(Make sure you watch for all the one sentence pro-SNP comments being posted within minutes of each other - that will be them posting under multiple usernames trying to boost their meagre numbers.)
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31/01/2008 00:28:37
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:31:14
4, 5 & 6. All I see from your cut&paste are a great many mergers with only the tiny, part-time 'advisory' boards being axed.

Looks like the article was quite accurate after all.

Maybe the others on the SNP Central night-shift can shed some more light on these ground-breaking moves?
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31/01/2008 00:32:43
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31/01/2008 00:36:50
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31/01/2008 00:37:55
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:37:59
"Saving £25M without any compulsory redundancies" eh?

So the same functions with the same staff......where are the 'savings' coming from then?

Is he going to force them to sit closer together to save on office space?
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31/01/2008 00:37:59
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 31/01/2008 00:38:45
The Blessed Alex was at Hampden last night, will he be on the phone to Vlad about his building plans.
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:39:56
12. Sure I can. Watch this space!
13

subrosa,

31/01/2008 00:43:35
I think at least this is a start. His hands are tied because of his policy of no redundancies really. There's a lot more to come I'm sure but not bad in less than 9 months.


# 3 AM2
I have never insulted you and would ask you to refrain from insulting me. Let me assure you I am no mug unless, of course, anyone that doesn't support your opinions is classified as a mug in your book.
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 00:56:17
There is a far less biased article as headlines in the Herald. It includes the issues of farming, marine etc.
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Gary McL,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 00:56:54
The Herald's coverage of this story today is far more informative and doesn't have the stench of negativity and bias that I read above.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 31/01/2008 01:00:14
#3 AM2 says "Style over substance. That's the SNP for you. Still, a few more mugs will be taken in by their spin, so mission accomplished"

My god! that is exactly what most people were throwing at the New Labour regime in the past 8yrs.
"Such hypocrisy from this Westminster lover"!!
17

Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 01:02:09
12. And there are two examples at 20 and 21.

Wait, there'll be more later. No, don't go.
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31/01/2008 01:03:16
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:07:19
23
Hmm.
Where is *your* alter ego English Voice tonight?
20

Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 01:09:08

He didn't know couldn't say forgot to mention...That's Alex Salmond for you......Blether..Blether..bit of a damp squib..try to spin your way out of that one snp.......whirr....whirr..whirr
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 01:20:30
25. It's a timeless classic, that one.

It's almost comforting to see it on such a regular basis!
22

Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:25:30
30
Would you like custard on it?
23

Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:27:42
31
A sauce for the goose...

(The goose is you by the way:-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:36:17
33
AM2
Tsk'tsk
Its Cybernat™.
You invented it.
Look it up.
In your files.

Oo-er, nearly said flies there.

Titter ye not.

Frankie Howerd RIP.
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31/01/2008 01:43:52
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I'mallymax,

31/01/2008 01:48:04
Abolish the Justice of the Peace 'advisory committees'.

They're just a bunch of totalitarian coppers crown officials, and prosecution lawyers.
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31/01/2008 01:52:09
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 02:10:11
# 26 AM2

So I'm an SNP member? Really? You assume too much AM2, far too much. I give credit where credit is due and try to look at Scottish politics objectively. Had plenty practice as I may have quite a few years on you (I refer to you saying you had children at home before you query that sentence).

I've watched the destruction of parts of Scotland by the labour party over the years, those trapped in poverty by false promises, meetings behind closed doors when they should have been open to the public. I shan't bore you with what you should already know. My thoughts now are to give the SNP a chance. They have surprised many and long may it continue.

Let me tell you I'm waiting. I'm waiting for any policies coming from the unionist parties and I'm having rather a long wait as you know. Mind you I'm a patient person. Yes I would even call myself a mug for waiting for such events.
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 02:14:08
# 23

Amusing? Ha ha ha ha (written slowly). I never use another name. Nor do I insult people personally.
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 02:17:25
Alex Salmond has bottled it.

Is there any SNP promise not now broken? If there is ladbrokes will no longer take bets on them breaking it - these lying scrotums should be flogged for their bile.
31

pehman,

sussex 31/01/2008 02:20:19
I just posted this on the Herald, but thought you might like to see it as well.

And the good news just keeps comming. After yesterdays wendy article I thought I'd have a peek at to-days record, and found this;-

Scots Back MSPs To Stand Up For Nation
Jan 30 2008 Exclusive by Magnus Gardham, Daily Record

THE number of Scots who trust the Holyrood government to stand up for the country has soared since the SNP took power.

Official figures show 71 per cent of Scots believe the executive and parliament "always" or "mostly" work in Scotland's best interests.

The figure for the previous year was just 51 per cent.

The figures are due to be published tomorrow in the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 2007.

More than 1500 people took part in the study between March and November last year, a period which included the first six months of the SNP government.

It truely seems to be that that the slab mouthpiece is changing its tune.
I just wonder if it had anything to do with the rumour that the express was going to announce its support for the SNP, or is it just that slab are sh-it ?
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31/01/2008 02:40:07
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pehman,

sussex 31/01/2008 03:14:24
40 Dawn of the dead, thats a rather obvious reference to the mouth of the south, the patter killer herself but it may pass for the slab in its entirety.

If you doubt my words here, then think on this. It's now almost two years since the SNP took the lead in the opinion polls, a lead it has held all that time. Polls can swing dramaticly, but two years worth of polls tells you a great deal.

As further proof if any were needed that slab are finished as a force in Scotland, witness the editorial comments from lab HQ (the daily record) if they thought for a min that lab had ANY chance in the foreseeable future of a comeback, would they have been so kind to the SNP two days running.

I think not !
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Navvy,

31/01/2008 03:17:29
It is a start and certainly some of the mergers seem to make sense.


The big problem has always been closing down a Quango once its brief is achieved. They have a strong tendency to become self perpetuating
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 03:28:55
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What are you prattling on about? Opinion polls and Labour poularity? The price of chess in Angora?

You need none of that information to work out whether or not the SNP are lying scrotes. Make a list of their promises pre-election and then in the second column write down what they did.

Labour are a bunch of scrotes as well. Being more popular than them is hardly a proud boast - but the SNP's best boast by far, sais it all really.

The SNP, lying wrinkly folds of skin but not as hated as Labour...yet
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James,

Dundee 31/01/2008 04:29:52
#23 'Master Mariner'/'Dawn of Dead' how goes it?

Anyway to thank #41 The Pehman for his post, I have noticed that the Record has temporarily 'gone Native'.

My conclusion is that they are determined to force the 'Gub of Gilmour Street' out. Lets face it she was never one of 'them'.

The Slab (West Mafia Branch) 'made men' have put a 'contract' out with the Daily Ranger, to assassinate 'the special one' and are now meeting with Dr 'Brit to the bone' Reid with the intention to select their new 'capo di tutti capi Scozzi'.

Once the massive brain has been disposed of normal service at the Record will be resumed.
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TommyKaye,

UK 31/01/2008 07:43:22
#3 AM2

"Style over substance. That's the SNP for you."

Style over substance that's AM2 for you.

Whenever you see the title AM2 you think ah, a well reasoned argument, a signifiant point, an valued opinion? HOWEVER what you get is the same old crap cut and paste and comments dictated from party HQ.

Live by the sword die by the word
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ddmc,

31/01/2008 07:55:47
Who created all these quango's ?
why do we need so many ?

over staffed executive/scots govt or whatever name they call it next.

Scotland is far too dependant on public jobs & you wonder why we lag behind the rest of the UK in economic growth.

It's not a bonfire we need but a raging inferno !
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Jimmy the Pie,

31/01/2008 08:09:41
This again appears to be a non story. Why are the Unionists are getting so wound up?? It is amazing!!
I see Andy Kerr making all the right noises in his leadership campaign. It won't be long!!!
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 31/01/2008 08:10:52
wendy woos comment a damp squib,the only damp squib in scotland is the labour party,why is she not talking to the polis about her bung
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 08:10:59
Alex Salmond has made a move in the right direction, no doubt there will be savings in money and time for the public as well as the government.
The "no compulsory redundancies" policy is a bold move as it means that they will not have to fight employees and unions over the policy but it's direct cost is difficult to estimate.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 08:12:33
Andy Kerr's RANT!!! on Radio Scotland this morning was worthy of inclusion in the 'Bumper Book of Bonker Labour Rants', his finale nearly had me in tears of joy.

Andy is dissolving with the struggle to cope with "this RIGHT-WING government in Hollyrood".
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Interested Taxpayer,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 08:13:56
Total and utter loss of bottle by Salmond.

He needed to get into the Executive bodies and has failed.

Just like Labour before all hot air!
44

Scotland to prosper...,

31/01/2008 08:15:10
“What he has done is get rid of a long list of advisory committees; these are the boards of experts and professionals put together to deal with something in their area of expertise. They are often unpaid and the committees usually do a reasonably worthwhile job.

Now many are gone. Perhaps that is a good thing, but it won't save much money. The real money in Scotland's quango state is in the executive bodies – these are the big ones with premises and staff and public money to spend. These are the real quangos.

These tend to look after areas such as housing, water, enterprise and prisons.”

Maybe I’m missing something here but I’d imagine having bodies that deal with such essential areas as housing, water etc as a necessity and should not be anyway near the chopping board. The argument attempted in this section of the piece is pathetic.

Salmond has not cut quango’s for the sake of cutting quango’s. He would be crucified if he were to start culling major executive committee’s without firstly cutting away the smaller, less essential ones. This is political point scoring at its most desperate.

I’ve read the Scotsman for many years but this is without doubt the worst piece of journalism I’ve seen to date.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 08:34:13
#24 Erm, actually the only thing that has changed since I made that comment is that Salmond has *started* to acknowledge the extent to which his earlier announcements were misrepresentations. But in fact his 25% cut consists almost entirely of actions from the previous administration! The new closures he announced yesterday are not actually closures at all, but rather "plans" to examine the potential of closing. There are only 52 actual closures, of which more than 30 were made by the previous government.

So I stand by my comment. He is wilfully misrepresenting all along here, and continued to do that yesterday.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 08:35:14
Erm...How many quangos were Zanu-Labour and the Unionist Junta at Holyrood proposing to cut exactly?
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conservative,

Fife 31/01/2008 08:42:28
Now why would we expect politicians to cut the major quangos when that's where they will be heading off to after their next electoral defeat? All the more so for the big talk but no action SNP I expect.
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Media 1,

cape town 31/01/2008 08:52:59
It is becomming increasingly obvious that Salmond is out of his depth! He needs to resign, hold up his hands and accept that his stuck in the past dreams for Scotland are nothing more than flights of patriotic fancy!
Please resign Mr Salmond, and allow Scotland to flourish.
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31/01/2008 08:56:14
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 08:57:35
#56 Not proposing, did cut - 32.

Another question: how many quangos have been newly created in the last 9 months by cull-king Salmond? Answer: 24.

You have to laugh at a man who points to a quango "cull" which might save perhaps £20,000 a year tops (I'm talking about the actually announced items, not the floated possibilities over the next 4 years), and yet instigated a vanity rebranding exercise for the Scottish Executive which cost at least £100,000.

A hero of the people indeed.
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31/01/2008 08:59:33
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 31/01/2008 09:00:07
Is Transport Scotland a quango?

It has failed, so far, to explain why the next Forth bridge is to cost 11 times the present one (after allowing for inflation).

I'd abolish it for failing to choose a Forth causeway instead and save us all a fortune.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:00:55
Let's not forget it was the Tories which introduced Quangocracy into Scottish Public life in the 1990s - the policy was augmented by Labour who took it to extremes - aided and abetted by their Liberal counterparts.

And in the spirit of Media 1's parody - Its pretty clear the Unionist Junta are to blame for this. They are out of their depth and they should all resign because their Unionist dreams, keeping Scotland tethered to an intellectually and morally bankrupt political union are nothing more than patriotic fantasy,

:-)
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:01:44
#60 How many did they create since 1999, Duncan?
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:05:07
Here's a good one from 1999:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_19990214/ai_n13936397
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 31/01/2008 09:05:14
"All he has done is MERGE them into far larger agencies. How does that benefit the taxpayer? What has he achieved?"

Even IF that was the case, it benefits taxpayers because it means people have to work with far fewer agencies and far less bureaucracy in order to get anything done, which means wasting far less time and money and vastly increases efficiency at no cost or even at a cost saving. And vastly increased efficiency is a tangible, measurable benefit for everyone.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:07:13
Labour's Growth in Quangocracy at UK level and at Scottish level in 2001:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200104090021

Around 94 new Quangos created in Scotland around or before that time.
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walter,

31/01/2008 09:12:10
There was never 199 quango's in the first place and this was brought to light at the time when he was asked to name them all.
Collectively all those bodies quango's committees and the like equaled 199 and he promised to cut this amount by 1/4 or 50.
He has done that in fact he has went further and cut 52 so we should now have 147 of these bodies, except we don't we have 171 by all accounts as he's created 24.
Smoke and mirrors, spin or just down right lies what ever way you want to put it there has been no change.
All that happened in May was we got different people feeding us the same sh!t.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:12:22
A few comments:

#55, Duncan in Edinburgh - presumably the announcement that the SNP are stopping the process of jobs being moved from Edinburgh is the reason that you've refrained for a few days from your usual "SNP are anti-Edinburgh" betherings. Give it a few weeks and start anew, eh?

#58, Media 1 - Give it a rest. You predicted fire, brimstone, hell and high water. None of the above have happened. Instead, no matter how AM2 repetitively tries to spin it, we've seen Labour sleeze, the unionist parties desperately try to stand together, despite their many huge differences, thus betraying many of their supporters values, and funny little things have come to light, like how impoverished the Edinburgh City Council had become under its previous Labour administration.

#61, Dawn of the dead - more of that bitter insecure drivel from you? You're the sort of clown that makes me ashamed of my fellow Edinburgh neighbours. I doubt very much that anyone in Glasgow cares at all about your tragic attempts to demean them.

Last of all - I wonder how many Labour quotes are directly used as headlines in the paper?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:17:49
#70 Interesting. I observe that: a) you have no come back on what I am actually saying about the issue of the article, so you choose to attack me on a different topic to deflect attention from the current SNP fiasco; and b) you appear to be under a misapprehension about what John Swinney actually announced about relocations - he categorically did not stop the process.

Why not try arguing with facts and on topic, for once, Alasdair?
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Proud2Be,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:17:57
How disappointing that SOME people, read AM2 et al, seem incapable of grasping the fact that this was an exercise in efficiency gains not the slash and burn LibLab policy blunders that we have become used to.

Yes some of the quangos were merged and not simply binned. Thats because there function is necessary!! The difference is they do not need to operate independently.
By merging some bodies with appropriate partners savings can be made on central admin costs and overheads while not compromising the impact of the organisation!!

It is simple common sense - I trust that SOME people on here will reread the article and their comments once they have located their common sense!!

Their seems to be a mindset prevalent on these pages that the Scottish Government is not capable of acheiving results!! Well I for one will accept and recognise achievement whoever delivers for Scotland - even if it's the Numpty coalition!!

Although the chances of that happening are slim!!
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 09:21:17
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Glasgow is the murder capital of Western Europe. Drugs, murder, street gangs. It is a toilet of a city.

You must be a labour councillor with that lovely how-dp-you-do-let's-love-everyone-they're-misunderstood clap trap.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 09:21:29
All these quangos were created by labour. So wendy alexander is arguing that not enough of them have been cut. Answer me this why did labour set them up in the first place if they dont think they should be there. Now that is a waste of public money by labour.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 09:24:26
More effective and welcome governance by the SNP govt! It's getting better all the time!

Is it jist me or is AM2 starting to become abusive in its/his/their posts?
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 09:25:00
GLASGOW IS A TOILET.

QUANGOS ARE TOILETS

THE SNP ARE TOILETS

LABOUR ARE TOILETS

Time to flush them ALL away.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:27:23
#71, Duncan in Edinburgh - "for once"? Care to provide another example, Duncan dear? Or is your recourse in an argument to try and besmirch without grounding, in the hope it gives an advantage? How pathetic.

The reason I ask you this now, is that it's the first time I've noticed you posting since the announcement was made the other day. The question as to whether they are anti-Edibnburgh would seem an easy one to me, but if you don't want to answer it...

#74, Dawn of the dead - A Labour Councillor? Oh dear, is that the best you can muster? Still ne reason for your insecure vitriol I notice. Fine fine.
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Flash67,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 09:28:15
Unbelievable the hypocrisy of Wendy Alexander - which party was in 'power' in Scotland for the last 40 years or so and CREATED all these quangos and jobs in the first place. Now we see the farcial sight of this ineffectual woman, supposedly the leader of a socialist party, condeming Alex Salmond for not making enough of the people HER PARTY employed in the first place, redundant! My mind boggles at the gallus-nes of that numpty!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:28:50
#72 Given that the vast majority of these mergers which you so fulsomely support were put in place by the previous Executive, I'm afraid your post has neither logic nor relevance. If you're looking for a slash and burn blunder, look at the SNP's handling of SportScotland - derided and promised to be culled in May, and by December embraced and supported. That's what I call a blunder.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:31:23
#78 And again, you fail to address my point. Swinney did not stop the relocation policy. Therefore any suggestion that he has made the SNP look less anti-Edinburgh is baseless. Did you understand that? You might want to go back to the start of this comment and read it again.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 09:33:51
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You are of course correct, and its hardly rocket science is it ? What I find amusing is that Labours supporters are quite proud to declare to the world that they cannot understand simple logical deduction!
Even if we give them the benefit of any doubt that might have existed:-

There are ONLY two possibilities here :

1) The mergers do save money and are worth doing.

2) We have achieved precious little, and still have the same mess, as existed under Labour !

Irrespective of which you go with, it makes the Unionists (as usual), look like a Sale of Dumplings!

I am more convinced now than ever that independence will happen,if for no other reason,because of the level of absolute numptiness that most Labour supporters display ,and are proud of !

If they cannot see why they look like a bunch of ******(take your pick of derogatory remarks ,it makes little difference),
do you suppose it has it occurred to them that it only serves to reinforce those who would claim that they are!

I'm curious to see which of them can even follow this,and the responses should be a good laugh!
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German Salami (Sliced),

31/01/2008 09:35:58
The SNP create a great many quangos too. The reason is simple, politicians and the SNP are not in the business of managing risks for Scotland. They are in the business of avoiding risks to their personal careers.

A quango is a lovely wee way to avoid being on the record or documented as actually having made a decision. When it goes wrong blame the quango, or even better set up a new one and call it a taskforce.

So what if helping the SNP avoid taking decisions or being held accountable for their broken promises is excruciatingly inefficient and expensive. It's our money.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:37:11
Duncan - a simple question: Will less jobs leave here now, or if Labout were still in power?

btw - how is our council supposed to spend money on the city when the vaults are strangely bare? How come this was only revealed when the last admin. got ousted? What have they been doing with the money?
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Alan B,

31/01/2008 09:37:22
Labour has again got itself in a mess over this. It says that snp have not cut far enough, but they ran this system for the last 10yrs.

Wether the snp deliver or not should be seen over the period of the parliament. Personally without fiscal autonomy much of it is meaningless. If you are going to save wasted money it makes sense that u can stop taxing the population as much for that wasted tax. Fiscal autonomy will also make governments justify the money they raise and spend on our behalf.

The only point in this is to release money for other spending. As such it is more about more value for money or targetting spending in key areas.


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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:38:07
#78

Alisdair, forget about getting much sense out of Duncan, he is as slippery as a sh*thouse rat - ask him a direct question and he'll tell you the price of bread in Azherbijhan.

Claims that the SNP are engaging in smoke and mirrors are baseless fantasies. They have cut a substantaial amount of quangos. They have created new agencies like the ones in charge of the commonwealth games or reviewing broadcasting. These are not permanent quangos and labour know it.

As any business person knows if you merge companies you gain efficiencies. The same principles apply with quangos. The fact that labourites cannot get their head around this concept is somewhat illuminating - it clearly shows that they have a big state mentality which is more concerned with preserving the jobs for the boys as oppossed to producing better and more cost effective outcomes for the public.

SNP = LEAN GOVERNMENT, GOOD POLICY OUTCOMES

LABOUR = SELF PRESERVATION (and the them asking what a policy outcome is)

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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:38:50
Oh, and by the way, I'm still waiting on your explanation for the "for once" in your earlier post.

Got any back-up to that, or are you talking sh!t? That's another simple question, btw.
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Carlung,

31/01/2008 09:45:18
*70 - How right you are!
Glasgow is the murder capital of Western Europe. Drugs, murder, street gangs. It is a toilet of a city. Spawned and nurtured for generations by the Stalinist Labour mafia
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:47:19
#84 Thanks for that open goal. Edinburgh's economy is booming as a result of Labour policies. Growth is predicted to continue in double digits. Edinburgh has already paid out more than £800 million from its business rates to fund projects elsewhere in Scotland - incidentally more than paying for the overdue investments in public transport which the SNP nonetheless tried to block.

The Edinburgh job market is buoyant, and the public body relocation policy has had negligible effect on it. In the case of SNH, the loss of fewer than 100 jobs was already compensated for by new job opportunities long before the political discussion was completed.

The measure of job availability in Edinburgh is largely unaffected by who is in power in Holyrood, and so the answer to your first question is that there will be little difference.

As to this issue of the so-called funding black hole in Edinburgh, it is an invention. The Lib-Dem/SNP coalition of the unwilling that is currently running down the city made almost every possible mistake in their first six months, and that included the monumental one of allowing departmental heads to inflate their budgets without recourse to the elected administration. The council's finances were very well managed up to May 2007, but since then they have been barely understood. Talk of financial holes are a political smokescreen to hide Lib Dem and SNP incompetence.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:49:00
#87 "for once" was a reference to your regular tendency to play the man instead of the ball in arguments. You're still doing it. You haven't yet addressed my original argument, only myself.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:51:43
All this anti-weegie stuff is a little infantile is it not?

At least weegie neds have the good grace to keep their violence to themselves.

I have seen more violence in Edinburgh than Glasgow and I witnessed as many unsightly neds in Edinburgh as in the weeg too.

There is something a little bit disturbing about a walk down Lothian Road at night.

Also people that finish each sentence with a qualifier such as 'like', 'likes' or 'likes -ay' can only be regarded as East Coast dimwhit soapdodgers, likes.
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Harbinger,

Wales 31/01/2008 09:52:14
Labour did the same thing here, bonfire of the quangos, took them under the direct control of the Assembly. So no more Quasi, just Governmental Organisations.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:54:35
#89 - wrong!

Edinburgh's economy has boomed at the same time as virtually every other city, region or countries economy has through this unprecedented era of global economic growth.

I guess we can all thank Labour for that?!

LOL
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Ananurhing,

31/01/2008 10:01:34
68# Oscar.

Jackie the Hut. Haha.....hilarious!

This is getting tedious. The usual unionist trolls, howling in the wilderness, in denial of the truth that the political landscape in Scotland has changed for ever. Constant mud slinging with nothing positive or constructive to say. Your lack of imagination is laid bare for all to see. Change your tune to something relevant, or just fade away please.

May the fourth be with you.
That'd be a great name for the new bridge!
May the fourth bridge! The day Scottish politics crossed the Rubicon.
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Doh,

31/01/2008 10:05:43
#89 Duncan

You said

"As to this issue of the so-called funding black hole in Edinburgh, it is an invention."

No it is a reported fact, there has been an official council report detailing the overspend of the last Labour administration. Also please note that the Labour administration also "run down" the Council's funds to record low levels - in an election year.

Labour cynicism at its best.

Maybe we could commission Labour Councillor Perry to lead a "Managment Change Task Force" for say £40K to look into this whole issue of Labour fiscal deception?
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:07:08
86

Congratulations Dougie,

That just about puts it in a nutshell,but dont expect them to agree with you.They would have to be able to understand it first!

Very eloquently done though if I might say so.
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Fat wee 'eck and his jobbie policies,

31/01/2008 10:09:21
Another broken promise.

The SNP will be finished come voting time. They have no credibility left.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:14:19
89

The current council inherited a deficit from the previous council.Theres no where else it could have come from !

You forget perhaps the position of the former Labour deputy leader who is now the SNP group leader.One thing that the SNP will NOT be lacking is inside information!

In any case the Lib Dem/ SNP council has not been in long enough to be responsible and you are disingenuous for suggesting that its even possible (or an idiot if you genuinely thought it was so).

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt.
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31/01/2008 10:15:40
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31/01/2008 10:17:26
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:19:15
95

Good Morning Doh!

Apart from anything else he should realise that if we are in agreement (and lets face it ,it does not happen often) then there must be a reason for it. Im sure he does not believe what he claims,he just thinks that there will be people daft enough to believe him.
I think their numbers grow fewer !

You can rest assured when Jenny Dawe agrees with the SNP then we are both correct!On that there can be no doubt!
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:19:18
‘Blaze of the quangos’ will cut total by a quarter

DOUGLAS FRASER, Scottish Political Editor

Scotland's quangos face their most ambitious cull ever after Alex Salmond set out plans to merge several smaller government agencies and cut the total number by more than one-quarter.
92

Fat wee 'eck and his jobbie policies,

31/01/2008 10:23:05
102

You are typical of the SNP inteligence. Your reading skills are appaulling.

..."WILL" cut... future tense in the headline gives you the clue.

And we all know what the SNP do with promises. Feck all.

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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 31/01/2008 10:23:37
#99

Lothian Road eloquence
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 10:24:39
Duncan - what a poor strawman of a deflection.
"Edinburgh's economy is booming"? So?
Tell me, Duncan, which Scottish city has had the fastest increase in economic growth over the last decade?
That'd be Glasgow.

Most UK cities have been booming, so don't try an go down that road. The question was: are more jobs going to get moved out of Edinburgh under the SNP or the previous admin.?
An easy question.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 31/01/2008 10:24:48
#103 LOL

Someone's obviously rattled your cage.

Ex Labour councillor are we?
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31/01/2008 10:25:41
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:33:33
107

Possibly, but at least he can spell appalling which is considerably more than you can , evidently !
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lac,

Ecosse 31/01/2008 10:40:09
The SNP 'kidding themselves factor' is quickly evident in posts such as #5 'Wardog'. When he/she claims that, "02. Reform Enterprise Networks - removing 21 Local Enterprise Companies and streamlining both Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise" is an example of SNP strategy success - it is laughable. No removing of LECs or streamlining of SE/HIE has taken place nor is it planned. Some merging of these bodies and duplicate council involvement will continue. A relative few job savings will occur (200 out of 2500 is no more than natural wasteage). A lot of expensive office facilities will remain - including SE's edifice in Glasgow. And just exactly what is the effect of such bodies on the economy of our country? Alex really has to do better than this.

You can fool some of the people, some of the time but . . . . . .
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 10:40:30
107 none of them are quangos.

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qohldr,

31/01/2008 10:46:56
I see the few SNP employees with their numerous pseudonyms are once again on trying to defend the actions of their pay masters by insinuating that they are delivering what they promised exactly as they promised and spinning the fact that they have delivered nothing as they said they would.
It should be investigated just how much of the tax payers money the SNP are paying people to come onto these types of forums to spout the parties lies as truths.
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Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:47:01
5 & 6 wardog
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (he sounds just like Chubby Cheeks)
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:50:07
45

The only problem with your assertion, is nobody agrees with you! The opinion polls say you are not so much wide of the mark as pointing in the opposite direction!

Dawn of the Brain Dead might be more appropriate
103

BMeister,

31/01/2008 10:52:32
#103
'You are typical of the SNP inteligence. Your reading skills are appaulling.'

Much like your spelling skills then.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 10:52:38
AM2#111,

Calling people "mugs" because of their political preference, isn't exactly very nice now, is it?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 10:55:13
The SNP are a waste of space. Let the conservatives at these quangos and they really will get sorted.

Alex Salmond cannot afford to lose the labour created middle class vote from all those 20-40k posts for twiddling your thumbs. He also cannot afford to let those who want this reform think that the Tories are better than the SNP at removing these leeches. So he lies.

The SNP official policy is more fierce than the tories at there most ruthless. They were only ever hovering around 1.5% efficiency targets or their equivalant.

More unachievable guff. He is not interested in alienating these white collar clowns called Kylie and Kenny that Labour put through a outdoor pursuits with sociology degrees and then had to created a job for when nobody else wanted them for anything more than answering a telephone.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:57:30
114

I agree, It should be investigated ,and when it turns out to be a load of cobblers, we should then join together, and rightly point out what an idiot you are !
Even if it could be established , (the SNP struggles to pay its way as it is,and could never afford to pay people to be on here) you are barking if you seriously think that they could.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 10:57:51
#105 I answered your question Alasdair. Perhaps you need to re-read what I said.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 11:01:53
#98 Morris you appear to misunderstand my entire point. What I blame the current administration for is not dealing with the massive budget claims made on May 8th by their various departments with any degree of understanding or management competence. Departments always do this when the complexion of the council changes, and experienced councillors know to rebuff this unrealistic attempt. Instead, Jenny Dawe rolled over and allowed, for example Children and Families to increase the social work budget by millions - and then they turned around and called it a deficit created by the previous administration!

It is ludicrous.

As for Cardownie, the SNP are quickly learning what sort of an asset he is, and the Lib Dems have already learned what sort of an ally the SNP is in coalition. Three times betrayed by the SNP in the first three months! These people are indefensible.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:02:46
I really have to laugh at all those unionist posters who say that snp supporters are part of some grand snp plan. Talk about paranoid. especially 114.

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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 11:04:18
121

You may be correct.The Conservative party may well be better at dealing with Quangos. The problem is they ceased to be a credible political force in Scotland years ago.
I accept however that Cameron will need to screw up royally now, to avoid looking better than Maggie Broon!
He is home and dry if he keeps his nose clean!He can even afford to keep his mouth shut and win,such is the level of sleaze and incompetence in NEW LABOUR!
The retention of the Union could bring about what you suggest, but I am confident that Cameron's victory will break the Labour party in Scotland,and the Union is dead. So we may have to rely on the SNP Im afraid and then the incoming Scottish government.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:11:50
128 AM2 are we to assume then that you totally disagree with labour setting up all these quangos in the first place then. I assume Am2 that you agree then that labour wasted millions of pounds of taxpapyers money setting up and running these quangos. You obviously from your statement dislike quangos and completely disagree with them . Please tell us exactly how many letters and emails you sent your MP and MSP regarding these issues. Or perhaps you just dont like the SNP because you want the union to survive at all costs even if that is to the detriment of every man woman and child in this country. Perhaps AM2 you need to examine your beliefs and ask yourself.

What am i frightened of?
Because at the end of the day thats why your on here arguing for the status quo. You fear that you will in some way lose something when independence happens.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 11:14:40
#123, Duncan - no you didn't. You skirted round the issue.

Look, you are proving incapable of giving a straight answer here.

You have repeatedly spammed threads on here with the assertion that the SNP are anti-Edinburgh.
I ask a simple question - will more public servic jobs leave Edinburgh under the SNP or if Labour were still in power?

AND, on that basis, who therefore is more "anti-Edinburgh", the SNP or the previous Lib/Lab coalition?

113

Stephen101,

Thank you AM2 31/01/2008 11:15:11
Thank you AM2 for pointing out "a few more mugs will be taken in by their spin, so mission accomplished".

I am not too proud to say that I was one of those mugs, until you kindly pointed out my stupidity. It is wonderful we have someone like AM2 with a superior intellect who can see through the spin and tell us what is REALLY going on.

Please keep up the good work AM2 explaining to us how these crafy politicians are pulling the wool over our eyes.

AM2, I know you are a busy man, and I suspect quite important, but if I may humbly suggest you interpret the Wendy Alexander money laundering fraud for us simple folks, and tell us what is REALLY going on there.



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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 11:16:59
#132 Labour wasting millions of pounds setting up quangos? You mean like the NHS boards? What a waste of money, eh? When Labour combined the 35 or so Tory-created NHS Trusts into about 7 boards, what a waste of cash eh?

You have no idea what you are talking about, dear.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 11:17:27
Morris (130)

I think people will turn back to voting Conservative on the East coast sooner or later.

The level of taxation in this country is way to high and the services we get in return too low. With all household bills rising the public will want these quango employees returned to the employment market asap togehter with all benefits cheats/PFI partners that labour like to hand our taxes to.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 11:19:07
#133 How dare you. I have never spammed threads. I respond to arguments. And I have answered your question: there will be little or no difference. There you go, I;ve answered it again. No difference. Okay? Did you catch it that time? No difference.

The SNP tried to block public transport investment in Edinburgh - and succeeded in blocking half of what was planned - in order to fund roads building in their heartlands.

Of course the SNP is more anti-Edinburgh than the Lib Dems and Labour.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:20:25
127 duncan i thougt you were deid i hadnt seen you contributing anything in so long .a bit Like labour.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:23:16
its very nice to see you back i should have added duncan.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:24:39
135 re 139 i take it back if your going to be condecending and downright rude.
120

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 11:24:42
Since when did five out of seventeen become "most" ?

"However, opposition politicians claimed most of the bodies scrapped by Mr Salmond were advisory committees that cost very little to run and employed few staff".

"five of the seventeen changes announced yesterday involve advisory committees"
121

Doh,

31/01/2008 11:25:37
#101 Morris

I dont know why Duncan tries to pretend there was not a budget deficit left by Labour.

He has also probably forgotten Labour's expensive fiascos of the road tolls, selling off council houses and their traffic mangement u-turns.

When a party goes into oppossition they usually dont return to power until they admit their mistakes and promise to do better next time.

So lets just hope Duncan and the Labour party in Edinburgh continue to mislead themselves and not the public.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 31/01/2008 11:25:56
#131 - thank you

#132 - thank you

#134 - thank you - LOL

It's the same old stuff here on these boards - Iv'e kept away - sick and tired of the propoganda spouted by this newspaper, you come back and it's all the same.

It is a poor reflection of Scottish society that the media can be so blatantly anti SNP, I guess it's the product of decades of bias.

I really hope that there is a nationalist AM2 out there keeping a record of the nonsense spouted by this paper. It's one thing to give an opinion but to craft the 'news' in the way this rag does is undemocratic.

It would be line up against a wall stuff in other countries, thank god you were born Scottish - you know who you are.

Off to the Herald for another few weeks semi balanced reporting.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 11:26:00
I think my favourite Labour-quango moment was when Johannn Lamont had a go at Communities Scotland for the delays in second stage transfer in Glasgow. This is a long and winding tale but basically Johann Lamont was Deputy Communities Minister at the time that the wholescale transfer of Glasgow's social housing stock was being planned - by then Communities Minister Wendy Alexander. So she was fully on board and one of the people involved in planning the entire thing. When it becomes clear that second stage transfer is not going to happen what do they do? Look about for other people to blame. The GHA - who they set up. And also blame Communities Scotland. Now it will be the SNP Government I have no doubt. Anybody but themselves. I just mention this in passing. Quangos have been very convenient for Labour ...
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 31/01/2008 11:29:34
One last thing - Duncan you really are a class A diddy. Your post at #137 is the cherry, 'SNP investing in heartlands' - like monklands, or Ayr, or Glasgow?

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:30:12
135 what like greater glasgow health board you mean and the other boards who have decided to charge extoritonate parking fees for people to attend hospital appointemnts. Like the boards with labour party members on them who set up consultations and then just do exactly what they please like shutting hospital services against the wishes of those who take part in the consulatations. These boards who because of their blatant mismanagement have to be brought into line by the scottish government. Yeah those quangos duncan.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 11:31:21
#142 If you're going to disagree with me, instead of invective why not post evidence?

I have seen no evidence in support of any of the claims - first a £5m deficit, then a £2.5m deficit, then a £10m deficit, and then even a £100m deficit - made by the current administration. I have seen a council being badly run by incompetents display little or no interest in meeting Edinburgh's needs.

And I find it distasteful in the extreme that the SNP, who came fourth in the Edinburgh local elections, are part of the ruling administration. Labour has far more support in Edinburgh than the SNP.
127

Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 11:32:29
#146 Is there an SNP policy of disbanding the Health Boards then? I seem to have missed it in Salmond's announcements. You'd have thought it would be mentioned. No?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 11:34:14
Dougie Dougles (143)

You are right that this papers reporting is undemocratic... the reason? It is not a democracy you SNP bully! You going and buying a ragloid is democracy.

The paper has historically been Tory. So you just jump up and down huffing and puffing all you want that little lord muck isn't king of everything in Scotland and we will remain here reading this paper and chatting about how much we dislike the SNP. Very democratic in its nature is that solution.
129

Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:34:29
147 I think what you mean there duncan is labour "used" to have far more support in edinburgh.
130

Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:36:17
149 so what you are basically saying is that the paper is biased then. Really? Who woulda thunk it.
131

Neil,

Glasgow 31/01/2008 11:36:25
It probably is a pretty mediocre "bonfire" but neither Labour nor LibDims are in a position to complain since it is more than they ever did.
132

Alasdair,

31/01/2008 11:38:19
Duncan - No difference?
So none of the jobs staying in Edinburgh make a difference?
What contempt you must have for those that work those positions and will no longer face the choice of move or get a new job!
If you honestly believe that, you are mental.

And as for the trams - given that there had been no concrete evidence to suggest that they would benefit the city, cancelling them would have been the best option. Guided buses, for example are far chaper and more flexible.
If the project overruns, and we, the Edinburh taxpayers, are forced to pick up the tab, will the project still be pro-Edinburgh?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 11:40:17
Karin M (151)

I think they call it an editorial slant. It's perfectly normal. Although the reporting is factual enough. The SNP do lie, sorry spin, blatantly and do not live up to their promises.

This fiasco over the quangos is just another paragraph in an ongoing narrative that is very real. The SNP are full of it.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 11:41:05
152 In fairnedd Neil the SNP never said that they would deliver a 'bonfire' of anything. I am not sure where the phrase bonfire of the quangos originated but it was not with the SNP.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:41:44
148 Oh im sorry. I didnt realise we were playing lets make stuff up. My go.

1. Labour lost the election.

2. 71 percent of people are satisfied that the scottish parliament is standing up for scottish interests since the snp came to power under labour it was 51 percent.
3.Labour set up all the quangos that cost us taxpayers money.

on no wait these are all true.

sorry duncan i dont seem to be very good at the making stuff up game. my apologies.

perhaps you could give me another demonstration in your next post.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 11:41:58
154 keep it coming, you are giving us all a good laugh.
137

Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:43:15
155 i beleive it originated with under labour who promised something similar and never deleivered. In fact as i recall they increased the number of quangos.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:45:14
154 so editorial slant is another name for bias. Do tell me do all the papers in scotland do this. Most interesting. There was me thinking newspapers where peices of paper with actual news on them. Could you also tell me why they arent called biaseders then.
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Ayrshire Scot.™,

31/01/2008 11:45:28
The usual headling grabbing then! I’ve had it up to here with Salmond already.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 11:45:57
Karin M (156)

Your point 2 is hilarious and being an SNP supporter who finds the tones of a broadsheet offensive I will spell it out for you as latteral thought probably isn't your strong point.

Was 51% is now 71%. Only one in 5 (20% Karin) wants independence and they will say no unless the SNP are in power.

So point means the square root of zero!
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 11:46:21
Drearie me, someone decided to remove my post at #68 which was a response to Dawn Dead at #61. He claims Salmond is morbidly obese, I ask does he mean like Jackie the Hutt and post a tiny url link to a BBC photo of said behemoth, and so some diddums Unionists decides I've offended the gargantuan Jackie and scuttles off to the moderator. Really, whoever reported my post, you are the reason that the SNP are in power, the voters of the country are sick of milksop, wishy washy, tell tale titts.

#99 Anurhing, Jackie the Hutt, has become a bit of a meme. I'll be photoshopping something together later, that will graphically explain the WENDY & Jackie dynamics...


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Miss H,

31/01/2008 11:46:43
Duncan The SNP is not going to abolish health boards but is consulting on elected members to health boards.

Personally I would abolish them or rather I would just have hospital boards. I think community health services need to become more accountable. We have community health and care partnerships now of which the social work aspect comes under scrutiny but often the NHS aspect does not. I personally would merge social work with community health and put it all under local government control. That is not SNP policy - its my policy - but if enough people agree you never know ...
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Ayrshire Scot.™,

31/01/2008 11:51:01
#15 Fakie: Salmond’s all for a segragated Britain (which no-one really wants), so why does it now come as no surprise that he’s giving a talk in favour of segregated schools?
144

Miss H,

31/01/2008 11:53:14
164 Perhaps because he respects the rights of minorities?
145

Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:54:34
161 wow you should play with duncan your quite good at the making stuff up game. I dont beleive that i used the word offensive. If lateral thinking is what is involved in making up lies then ill give it a miss. i prefer logical thinking to lateral illogical mental gymnastics thanks.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 11:55:11
#161, Sir Chicken Digby - the Hootsmon is a broadsheet?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 11:56:15
Miss H (165)

Nonsense little missy. Alex Salmond is going to try and get the religious vote and get them to sign up for independence for their own selfish reasons. Then, true to form he will renege on all his lah dee dah pie in the sky after the referendum.

He is a sneak and makes my spine shiver.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 11:56:35
#147 DiE

'And I find it distasteful in the extreme that the SNP, who came fourth in the Edinburgh local elections, are part of the ruling administration. Labour has far more support in Edinburgh than the SNP. '

Would that be a bit like the lib-dems joining with labour to ensure a majority government, thus making the lid-dems part of the ruling administration despite their coming fourth in the national elections?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:56:59
164 fakie ayrshire scot. wow thats a really good way to get at least one person to listen to you seeing as no one else is. Talk to yourself. Brilliant you should be on mastermindless.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 11:57:30
169 cont
Sorry meant to say,

#147 DiE

'And I find it distasteful in the extreme that the SNP, who came fourth in the Edinburgh local elections, are part of the ruling administration. Labour has far more support in Edinburgh than the SNP. '

Would that be a bit like the lib-dems joining with labour to ensure a majority government, thus making the lid-dems part of the ruling administration despite their coming fourth in the national elections in both 1999 and 2003?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 11:59:41
167 aye but only if you have a big roll of sellotape. Not in a proper newspaper broadsheet kind of way.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:01:25
171 I think what duncan meant to say was. Thats not fair im going to stamp my feet and have a tantrum because i didnt get what i want boo hoo.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 12:05:45
155 the phrase 'Bonfire of the Quangos' originated with Labour pre their 1997 election win. I think it was George Robertson, Gordon Brown or Rhodri Morgan.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

31/01/2008 12:08:14
It’s time to set up an advisory committee to discuss what progress Alex has been making on advancing independence, or is that not what the SNP’s all about any more?

#174 Meths: don't be so horrible to my fakeys!
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:10:39
Dewar defended SNH and SEPA as "independent bodies that can and do give the government a hard time". He attacked SNP plans for Local Enterprise Companies (LECs) to have a majority of elected representatives on their boards, arguing that MSPs were "not necessarily the right people to harness expertise and enterprise from industry and commerce." Irked at having his democratic credential questioned he retorted: "Are you saying the Sunday Herald should be edited by a group of readers because it's more democratic?"

The latter part of that statemnt is the best idea i have ever heard from labour. oy scotsman. Sack the editor and let us decide what should be printed. think of the dosh youll save.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:12:09
Methalions (176)

Just explaining to you SNP drones how that 20% gap is composed. It is made up entirely by the salivating, unwavering, fanatical hardcore of the SNP knuckle draggers who wouldn't concede the sun is going to set tonight unless it come from another seperatist.

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:12:45
177 ah i see you still idolise ayrshire scot fakey due to his superior intelligence and quick wit.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:15:33
180 Yes yes yes and everyone used to think the earth was flat as well. There are some people i am told who still beleive this even though they have been proven wrong. I am led to beleive many of them are unionists.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 12:16:32
176 Methalions
I think he really is an SNP supporter who has come on to try and make the Conservatives look ridiculous but accidentally posted his true feelings.

Also
'Only one in 5 (20% Karin) wants independence and they will say no unless the SNP are in power.'
Does that mean he really believes that people would only vote yes in a referendum if there is an SNP govt. but if there isn't then all the pro-independence people will vote no?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:16:33
Methalions (181)

Having corrected me for my grammar. I must point out the ludicrously written "dogs' b*ll*cks". I think you will find the nuts of a canine do not belong to the group. They are in actual fact fastened to the dog (singular) under the tail.

Dog's b*ll*cks.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 12:17:28
168 What are you talking about Sir Chicken? There is no mainstream party in that would abolish denominational schools so why single out the SNP for supposedly going after ‘the religious vote’? And what pie in the sky lah-di-dah are you referring to? Denominational schools already exist – it’s not anything that the SNP plans to introduce.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:19:01
BMeister (185)

Say "No" to the survey question you fu-ckkwit.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 12:19:35
#171 Yep. The very same.

Actually I was wrong - SNP came third in Edinburgh in 2007.

Parliament 1999: PR
Lab: 56 SNP: 35 Tory: 18 LD: 17 Oth: 3
Parliament 2003: PR
Lab: 50 SNP: 27 Tory: 18 LD: 17 Oth: 17
Parliament 2007: PR
Lab: 46 SNP: 47 Tory: 17 LD: 16 Oth: 3

Edinburgh 1999: FPP
Lab: 31 SNP: 1 Tory: 13 LD: 13 Oth: 0
Edinburgh 2003: FPP
Lab: 30 SNP: 0 Tory: 13 LD: 15 Oth: 0
Edinburgh 2007: PR
Lab: 15 SNP: 12 Tory: 11 LD: 17 Oth: 3

So Lab/Lib's introduction of PR into local government elections is what lost Labour the Edinburgh election.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 12:21:20
#188 You are defending Salmond sucking up to the Catholic Church then?
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 12:21:59
190 DiE
Does that mean then that you found the Labour/Lib-dem alliance to be distasteful in the extreme?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:22:29
Methalions (191)

Having been a smarty pants more then once, you must consider yourself the Bees' Knees? Fool.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:23:55
186 dogs have only one ball. singlular. Really i never knew that. did you turn loads of dogs upside down to find that out or did you stand very close behind them. Do you have to feel them to tell?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:24:53
By the way Methalions I was referring to a line of kan-kan dancing bees. The grammatical rule in similes is one knee or b*ll*ck per unit so it must be pluralled.

You are a pretentious moron, but you do make me laugh so stick around.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:25:04
195 bees have knees are you a vet or do you run an apiary.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:25:43
195 bees have knees are you a vet or do you run an apiary.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:25:46
195 bees have knees are you a vet or do you run an apiary.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:27:35
i seem to have developed a sttuttter.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:29:19
ha ha i got the 200
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 12:30:32
#189 Sir Chicken Digby
Ah, so you believe that the rise of 20% in the governments approval rating is purely down to all the pro-independencers suddenly saying they like the government now that it's SNP. That's a strange one.

Given that logic then surely all the pro-unionists will now disapprove of the government and as that's 2/3 of the electorate surely the approval rating would have dropped. Or could it be that all those on here screaming about how the SNP are failing are actually the ones with the minority view?

Oh no, I remember now, they're all mugs who believe spin and smoke and mirrors.

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:31:21
202 indeed i have befirended many unionist creatures. You seem to know an awful lot about animal reproduction does it run in the family?
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Grandson of Winged Messenger`,

31/01/2008 12:31:39
#189 Sir Chicken Digby: people ought to be surveyed on why they vote for unionist quisling parties in the first place. At least in Ireland they weren’t burdened with English parties trying to masquerade as Irish: they always had their own parties and that’s how they became independent.
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AntiPCman,

North East 31/01/2008 12:33:47
The SNP minority government is trying to be different from the hopeless Lib/Lab Executive that we endured for 8 years. The Lib/Lab Ex had policies, but they were the wrong ones for Scotland and wasted the opportunity of a devolved government. They could not spend all the allocation from Westminster each year and were more concerned about retaining power than using their power wisely. Salmond and his little girly side-kick have at least raised the profile for Scotland, unfortunately they have done it by being antagonistic towards the paymasters at Westminster and this demonstates an immature political ability.

They had a number of policies in their manifesto which indicated a naivety of understanding of government and were clearly undeliverable. That has proved to be the case. However there is real opportunity, with a minority government, to get the best of all worlds by using the other political parties wisely and through negotiation so that the best can be achieved for Scotland.
The SNPs under Salmond do not have a real clue about what to do and flailing around for concise direction. They appear to be ready to listen to any and everyone for guidance - which is good. They have listened to CoSLA and un-ring-fenced a lot of the monies going to Local Authorities but look for Outcome Agreements without knowing what they mean or how they will be crafted.
They have listened to the minority view about renewables and have chosen to announce the ridiculous decision to forbid nuclear power generation when everyone knows that we need it to underpin the strategy for sustainable power - we will finish up importing power if this silly edict becomes the way forward.
They have thought that smaller govenment is right, which it is, but have done little beyond window dressing on getting rid of some quangos. They need to address the real public money black holes like the regional NHS Boards who are undemocratic in their makeup and staffed by empire builders who have no clue of th
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 12:34:47
#194 No, just distasteful. What makes the current Edinburgh administration *extremely* distasteful is the presence of Cardownie. The man is a self-serving manipulator.
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AntiPCman,

31/01/2008 12:37:17
Continued from 207

They need to address the real public money black holes like the regional NHS Boards who are undemocratic in their makeup and staffed by empire builders who have no clue of the issues on the ground but use up vast resources unproductively.
Quangos like SEPA are pretty tight with monies and are a regulator that get half their monies from licenses. The rest of the monies is from the Sc Gov but has to cover ever expanding legislation from that inept giant called the EC. They have regional boards which could be reduced or stopped.
Scottish Water, on the other hand, should be reviewed and a greater scrutiny paid to its inefficiencies.
Historic Scotland is a waste of space much of the time and should be subsumed into Local Authorities planning services.
Scottish Enterprise seems on the surface to be reduced in area bodies but in fact SE is also a waste of space in terms of too many staff duplicating the work of the Local Authorities through their Economic Development Services and the SNP Gov have not reduced the numbers of staff. All their work could go to Local Authorities instead of just some as has recently been done.
Visit Scotland has lost its way by centralising and stopping the 14 regional Boards. This is one area of seeming quangos which were not and were not costing very much bar a smallish contribution from the government through VisitScotland. Tourism needs a local emphasis to work.
I could go on but the point is that Salmond and his MSPs should come off the fence, start talking to the other parties, engage with the public on the ground and not listen too much to the civil servants guiding them. These civil servants do not have a clue about the real world and what is happening on the ground yet hold all the power through the actual implementation of policy. This is the area, the civil service, for slashing inefficiencies and reducing cost before having a go at quangos and advisory committees which are an easy target. They do not 'clin
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weh,

31/01/2008 12:38:39
MORE LIBDUM SHENANIGANS! STOP PRESS!

http://dizzythinks.net/2007/09/lib-dems-accept-donation-from-oil.html
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:38:48
207 you raise some good points about snp boards and then let yourself down with your comment about "girly". sexist and patronising. okay little boy.
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ddmc,

31/01/2008 12:38:59
#186 your knowledge of dog anatomy is as bad as your opinion. dog's like humans start with the balls inside the body, as they age they descend into the sack, culminating with the abilty to produce spermazoa.
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AntiPCman,

31/01/2008 12:39:33
Continued from 209

They do not 'cling on' like the numerous, over paid and underworked civil servants.
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AntiPCman,

31/01/2008 12:41:51
211

I am very un PC but wholly supportive of females over males in every way - must be my early 60s mods and rockers' era!
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Ayrshire Scot™,

31/01/2008 12:42:47
#188 Miss H: the SNP is a divisive party which will stoop at nothing to garner votes: I don’t mind admitting it, look how George Bush was able to get elected (against the odds) on the back of the religious vote. If the religious vote is needed to push through independence, then so be it.
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Ananurhing,

31/01/2008 12:42:59
202# Sir Chicken McNuggets

You continue to compound your ignorance, and trash your own credibility. It's physically impossible to kiss a sheep, with her back legs in your wellies. Keep it real!

Another handy tip from the Highlands.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:44:24
209 in order to communicate you have to both talk and listen. The other parties refuse to talk and listen to the snp and therfore your comment that

"Salmond and his MSPs should come off the fence, start talking to the other parties, engage with the public on the ground and not listen too much to the civil servants guiding them"

effectively what you are saying is that the snp need to ignore the civil service but speak to the public and to the parties shows that you do not understand the political situation in scotland. The snp are the only party that listen to the public. Thats what they were elected for. It is the other parties who refuse to talk to the snp and your ire should be directed at them.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:48:01
Methalions (218)

Arguing that dog's b*ll*cks belong to a pack of dogs and presenting yourself as a wit for it is pretentious on two counts.

1) You're wrong and pretending to be right.
2) You're behaving like a pedant and pretending to be a wit.

Then to continue to labour the point and claim that not knowing only one dog can own the set of nuts makes you educated, well, what can I say. You belong in the SNP.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:49:33
221 given that he is a unionist meths i assume he puts his tongue somewhere near its bottom.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 12:50:26
217 Again what are you on about? The SNP's position on denominational schools is no different to Labour's. What point are you trying to make?

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:52:29
222. how does it feel to be that annoyed about someone making you look silly. Does it hurt.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:53:04
225 ignore him miss h he is a fakey troll.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:53:22
226 No one has "made me" look silly. I can hold my own, girly!!
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:54:10
225 he has neither wit, reason or intelligence and seeks to steal someone elses to justify his crass ignorance and stupidity. A typical unionist.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:54:56
228 yeah i had already come to the conclusion that you do that a lot,.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 12:56:05
Sir Chicken Digby (226)

"226 No one..." see above.

If you are going to copy my name you should copy my format, or you'll get caught out. You're an educated and clever chap though?... right?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 12:57:23
and by the way poppet im not a girly. i know you feel threatened speaking to a real woman but try to contain your juvenile rashness.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 12:58:02
Labour must be terrified of losing the Catholic vote, as Cardinal O'Brien is about to go into meltdown about Labour's proposed 'Human Fertilisation and Embyology Bill', the SNP couldn't have chosen a better time to woo the Catholic vote...
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 12:59:56
200 Good afternoon Karin. (Bulls eye Karin strikes again )

I'll meet you at McDonald Road to pick up your cheque on Friday, darlin!

I think we are getting a bonus of 10%
this month which by my calculator would give us the same as last month. Oh I do love a salary increase.I wonder if we could have it backdated ? What do you think ?
Seriously now:
Keep it going dear. I love reading your contributions.
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G,

dndy 31/01/2008 13:01:41
I believe there is a bonfire of the quangos when I see the flames......
If the SNP could balance their own budget then I might believe that they could change something in the quangos...
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:03:43
Methalion (235)

The pedant returns his dogs' tail between everyones' legs.

Tell me why an educated man

a) Thinks a pack of dogs can own one set of nuts?
b) Why an educated man behaves like an insecure pedant by trying to wriggle out of that biologically inconvenient fact that only one dog can own one set of balls at any one time?

You are an amusing play thing. So angry, so insecure, so SNP.
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AntiPCman,

31/01/2008 13:04:05
220

I was being completely apolitical in my comments. My 'ire' such as it is, is about being logical and looking at the real issues. I actually think that all the parties except perhaps the LibDems are prepared to talk and listen as I think Salmond is but he keeps making shallow political points, usually around innocuous issues and not getting to the 'meat'. This shows that he cannot easily eschew the little headlines for the greater prize.
A minority government is a real opportunity and I will not fall out with you about who is listening to whom about what but suffice to say that talks are going on behind the scenes for the better good of Scotland.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:06:03
234 I imagine the snp would be more than happy to backdate our salary to be backdated morris they been most supportive of other industries receiving back pay unlike that nasty mr brown who refususes to backdate pay for heathworkers and policemen and effectively gives them a pay cut. Imagine a labour party that cuts workers pay. Thank goodness we have an snp government who looks after workers.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 13:08:00
242
Well said Jackie
He does have a capacity for this does he not!

Everybody else is deserving of censorship if they say anything attacking his point of view,but he is somehow justified in doing exactly that!
He only defeats his own credibility when he adopts that line.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:08:56
241 the real issue is that scotland needs control of its own finances. This is not going to happen unless we support the snp. Never agian should we have a situation in this country that the majority of the poeple are not listened to by london. Even AM2 accepts that the majority of people want more powers for scotland. This is not going to be forthcoming unless the snp are in power.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 13:09:49
244
Touche
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:10:14
243. I know more about boll-cks than you pedant, it was you who had it wrong!

What gete me is why the SNP don't implement the promises they made (on police) and then come out with a quango cut back they never promised!
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:11:04
Methalions (243)

Stop avoiding the issue. How can a pack of dogs share one set of balls?

An educated man would have claimed a typo, but not you. Good god no! Back on here like a shot claiming that because you were referring to multiple posts there were multiple dogs and twice as many b*ll*cks with one b*ll*ck budgeted per reference point.

You're some guy, let me tell you.

But let's run through this one last time. How can four dogs, say, have just one set of b*ll*cks. Or why do we need 8 b*ll*cks for the simile to work.

Let's just agree you're wrong. "dog's b*ll*cks" is correct grammar boy.
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EK SNP,

East Kilbride 31/01/2008 13:14:10
This eminently sensible first bonfire will do a great deal towards starting to rid Scotland of the vast red-tape caused by the overlap and duplication of the various Quangos and their respective roles.

As he once said; "the better we govern, the stronger the case". Three cheers for Alex Salmond!
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:16:26
252 hip hip hooray
hip hip hooray
hip hip hooray.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 13:17:10
223 - in my opinion (based on many years of canvassing thousands of voters) there is actually not a Catholic 'block vote' to be won by any party. Catholics do not all vote the same way. People who feel strongly about what are described as 'moral' issues come from all kinds of religious backgrounds. I know there are many well established urban myths about 'the Catholic vote'. Equally I have been hearing all my life about 'the Catholic mafia' running the Labour Party and the Labour Party running the entire west of Scotland. It's rubbish. There is a Labour mafia running the Labour Party and their grip on the west of Scotland grows looser by the day...
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:17:49
I've never heard it called a girly before
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:19:18
251 what issue quangos or dogs boll*cks. the pendant is getting pedantic.

do you have any idea how silly that makes you look arguing over dogs balls.
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Busymale,

Inside the head of AM2 31/01/2008 13:19:25
Hey AM2, whats happening with wee Wendy? Is she going to jail then?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:21:16
meths nice one. he he he.
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Neil,

Glasgow 31/01/2008 13:21:59
#155 Top have a "bonfire of the quangos" was jack McConnell's promise at the 2003 election, along with his promises that improving the economy, improving the NHS, improving housing etc would all be his "first priority". Still waiting.

The SNP's promise is to created a "Celtic Lion" economy to match Ireland's Celtic Tiger. Since Ireland achieved its 7% growth rate by cutting corporation tax way down, along with government regulation & spending this implied something considerably more radical than amalgamating some minor quangos & cutting rates for the smallest busineses. Nonetheless, little as they have done I acknowledge it is far more than the Lab/Libs did in 8 years.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:22:10
255 what youve never heard a dogs b*llock called a girly?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:22:14
Karin M (256)

Yes I know how silly it looks. That is the point. The pedant Methalions also sees how uneducated he looks (despite his protest) going around correcting everyone on similair issues.

I suspect he was an English teacher or similair. As one of my favourite sketches goes "Failed in the real world? Then why not become a teacher!"
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:23:52
261 Sir Chicken

Does that mean you're a teacher too?
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:24:36
262 I think that's one of the first truths you've uttered today.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:25:06
257 sadly wendy is missing inaction. that wasnt a typo there is complete inaction on her part and shes missing. last heard of hiding under the table chanting. "it wasnt illegal it was impermissable,
it wasnt illegal it was impermissable, it wasnt illegal it was impermissable"
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:26:51
264 Methalions

'How does it feel fakie to be dragged off-topic'

There's a topic? It's very well hidden today, AM2 started at about #4
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:27:47
261 sadly evn thought you cant see it. the only one getting the pish ripped out of them over spelling is you. I write terrible grammar all the time and he never pulls me up. even though he should. im very very naughty.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 13:29:00
267 Typical umionist.

PS: AM2 & Duncan - That was a joke.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 13:30:56
The tedium of fakery and the like is killing these message boards. Imagine attacking Meths because he was a teacher? Seriously? What kind of neanderthal is it that doesn't value education? And what kind of neanderthal is it that attacks the SNP for not cutting enough waste and beaurocracy, yet was responsible for its creation? Laughable.
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RCI,

Lanarkshire 31/01/2008 13:30:59
The amount of anti-SNP, anti-Salmond attacks in this
thread are legion.
Is it a large case of guilt and shame on the
part of labour supporters, who realise that they fumbled the ba' at the last election?

It wasn't so much that the SNP won the election, it was given to them by a poor labour administration who had no vision and were led by the nose by an even poorer
administration in London.

I may not agree with SNP policies per se, but I'd rather have Salmond represent us to the world than
Wee Jack (or worse, Wendy Alexander )

Maybe come next election, the labour candidates will get their collective thumbs out and do what they are paid for.

Representing Scotlands interests.

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:31:38
bmeister i know. where was the topic i missed that. You mean we are actually supposed to be discussing an actual topic. I thought this was a bit like when labour msps go to a meeting when they dont know why they are there or what the meeting is about. Is this not the same. silly me.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 13:33:02
Karin M Am not a labour supporter but think you should lay off Ms Alexander, you seem to be a little highly strung as there are no legal proceedings pending.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:34:19
275 and what exaclty do you think will bring about this miracle seeing as it hasnt happened in 50 years in scotland. Oh wait i know. praying. dream on. meanwhile the rest of us non beleivers will vote snp and bring about the change that is needed.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:35:20
277 yeah your probably right i would like to see labours lame duck leader continue in office. charges or no charges.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:36:36
273 ahhhhhhhhhhh so you did meths.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:36:38
Methalions (273)

You are still avoiding the question.

I understand perfectly about readers' wives. But can you explain the Dogs' B*ll*cks to me?

A magazine can own lots of picture and own lots of readers. But how does a dog own more than one set of b*ll*cks? Or how does the dog share its b*ll*cks with teh pack? Or how do a pack of dogs communally own all the b*ll*cks?

While you're our for lunch pull up the tails of some dogs, you will see a pattern, one dog, one set of nuts. The Dog's B*ll*cks. No other way can be defended by such an educated man as you claim to be.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 13:37:58
Karin M Hope you can,then England will be free
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:38:42
282 your pure weird.

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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 13:38:55
282. Digby, you are an embarrassment to Unionists, go away.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 13:39:37
It's good to see all the smelly Onionists getting a real pasting on this board!
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 13:44:09
Methalions

Dog's B*ll*cks also means good. You know like the Bee's Knees.

Maybe you heard some pupils using this street slang and thought you could be cool?

Did you grow a goatie beard and hang out in internet chat rooms correcting all the cool kids' grammar to gain status.

"Oh my god! My hero, a man who professes status through pedantry."
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:45:07
282 maybe the dogs democratically decided to share out the boollocks. as for this bit im confused

"A magazine can own lots of picture and own lots of readers"

do the readers not own the individual magazines if they buy them or are you suggesting that magazines buy actual readers. I thought we abolished the slave trade. Was that another labour law i missed.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:46:24
276 Karin M
I think it was something to do with quangos being reduced. I find the headline a little misleading as Alex Salmond never said it was a bonfire of the quangos, in fact I believe yesterday that it was not a 'bonfire of the quangos'. Still, that would spoil the headline a bit.

I thought Annable Goldie was the only oppo leader who made her point (again) when she said the test would be the reduction in costs, not the actual numbers. However while this is true to an extent surely the other part of the test must be the reduction in beauraucracy in implementing the necessary functions that some quangos perform and increasing the relevant qualifications and experience of those where this can make a difference.
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 13:46:41
291. Digby, you are really not helping us unionists on here. You are making us look nuttier than squirrel droppings - GO AWAY
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:48:39
291 digby when youve had the pish ripped out of you because you insist on correcting grammar then the solution is to take two aspirin and go lie down. The answer is not to keep coming back for more. Do you not get it. WER TAKING THE PISS. and yes i know it should be we're or we are. whateva.
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RCI,

Lanarkshire 31/01/2008 13:49:18
295

You could have had Dogby committed.

Except labour closed down the Mental Health Units.

Care in the Community.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 13:49:27
288 AJ PASTING,are you still on the glue or just a brain dead nat
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:49:56
Re my 294
See the Herald has it has 'Blaze of the quangos'. At least their reporter seems to have listened to what Alex Salmond was saying.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:50:15
294 Yes i know annable goldie makes a point but she always uses the same method and its getting a bit boring actually.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 13:50:21
#288 Let's get this settled once and for all. I believe in the onion. Over centuries it has proved invaluable as the basis of our society, or at the very least our cooking. Where would stovies be without onionism? Or hot dogs? Or onion soup - no, strike that, it's French.

What's more I can recognise the value of many different kinds of onions, not simply the common working class "I am an onion and so was my father before me and his father before him" type. The leek has its place within a united set of alliums. The garlic, despite its French associations, is a valued member part of our kitchen. And chives look a bit like grass.

It's time to put an end to this wave of anti-onionism and recognise that the onion has done more good for this great nation than any of the alternatives on offer. Especially nationalism.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:51:51
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The Royal Edinburgh is still there. That could be an option. Is Stratheden still open?
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 13:55:20
297. You are just giving ammunition to those who say that unionists indulge in abuse intead of debate! Someone wil probably save that post - it undermines Lord Foulkes and AM2s attacks on the SNP. You are NOT HELPING!
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 13:55:40
305 I believe in the onion too. The world is just a great big onion and pain and fear are the slices that make us cry.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:55:41
305 DiE

Are hot dogs British? I thought they were American.
Is that OK because it's a colony, or is it just the French with their fancy cooking and ridiculous cars that aren't?
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RCI,

31/01/2008 13:57:30
Its just like a labour party meeting in here.

Lots of hot air, no real decisions and there is always
one blawhard who takes over the meeting takin p!sh.

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BMeister,

31/01/2008 13:57:37
311 Miss H
very poetic
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:57:49
305 all very well and good but i prefer swedes onions make me ill and cost us far more than carrots or swedes..Carrots are far better for our nations health.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 13:58:41
314 wow never been to one but you seem to know what your talking about.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 13:59:54
#316 Well ain't that just a turnip for the books. A nationalist banging on about how much better the Swedes are...
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:00:09
310 nah but im saving this one.

310 Highland Mighty,31/01/2008 13:55:20
297. You are just giving ammunition to those who say that unionists indulge in abuse intead of debate! Someone wil probably save that post - it undermines Lord Foulkes and AM2s attacks on the SNP. You are NOT HELPING!
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:00:20
297. Oh dear, an onionist over-peeled and having a melt down. What a charming post. Just sad to see unionists engaging in viscious personal abuse in place of debate. Must have been what Lord Foulkes was talking about. I wonder what AM2 makes of such posts?
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:00:24
Digby Are you a omplete to--er,stop fcuking about
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 14:01:01
The only way to get rid of this great big onion is to plant love seeds until it dies.

Actually that song doesn't make any sense. I think it was from Motown's psychedelic period.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:02:10
319 duncan why carrot you understand that the snp wants the end of grape britain.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:02:17
323. LOL :-)

Love seeds? Like Cecil PArkinson, Micky Hirst et al?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:03:11
321 I know its terrible such abusive unionists.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:03:36
321 AKA - Ayrshirescot
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:04:12
325 do you have to do that every time i drink a cup of tea. lol. i keep nearly choking.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 14:04:39
For Sir Chunky Dingbat.

Hope he doesn't get toooo aroused. Woof!

http://tinyurl.com/2jz3o9
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:06:09
Karin M Can England have independence as soon as possible,please get Salmond to call his referendum
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:06:34
327 no i think your mistaken ayrshire scot was on further up the boards hes a unionist.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:07:43
330 sadly wordsworth the unionist parties know that they make too much money out of scotland and thats why they wont let us go. Read the mmcrone reoport.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:08:51
329 lol oscar. im sure hes counting them as we speak.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 14:09:37
324 KarinM
That hurt. I heard a drum-roll and cymbals when I read it. I liked it though.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:12:21
right i have to go to the dentist. For an actual appointment this time. dont worry everyone i will drop off a copy of the mccrone report while i am there.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 14:13:27
#332 Don't you think that perhaps the unionist parties just believe that the union is best for everyone in the UK?

And the fact that the majority of people vote for unionist parties, even in the great SNP election victory of 2007, suggests that the population shares that rather sensible point of view?
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:13:39
Karin M Are you on a band substance,the westminster govenment should be told to stop the 12 billion it gives Scotland as it seems you are self sufficient
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:13:53
I think I shall perhaps email post 297 and some others (English voice on about immigrant "Johnny Foreigners" etc and various anti-Muslim unionist posts) to the Lord Foulkes. He, taking a great interest in such mattres, will no doubt wish to condemn them.

Cry Laughingstock and let slip the hogs who like a jar!
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:15:07
331 Yes, I saw a few incoherent unionist Ayrshire's above
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Geomac 1,

Kinross 31/01/2008 14:16:43
Smoke from a very wee fire and lots of mirrors - again!
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 14:18:38
336 and just before i go. Well if thats the case they wont mind actually asking us what we think in a referendum. In which case the majority of english voters who want the union ended will win and the union with scotland will be over. toodle pip. well seen you waited till i said i was going..........naughty boy.
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Geomac 1,

Kinross 31/01/2008 14:19:01
Why do these blogs always descend into petty and trivial mud slinging matchs between Nats and Unionists? What about the issue at hand?
I'm off to find some sensible people to debate with!
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:19:52
339 Bu-- sh-- and you know it
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:21:07
343 My my, more informed and incisive unionist comment.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:23:10
343 Can i hear the tea trolley at 70 Norton Street in the background of that post?
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 14:25:03
"wordsworth" aka kimba, aka Lia, aka maxi...keep taking the pills
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 14:25:25
#333 Karin, I suspect he's the sort of sick puppy who hangs around Crufts cupping said appendages...

#338

Mr Novia Scotia, I suspect that's a grand idea. Dear Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock must surely respond.

http://www.yourlothiansmsp.com/home/contact

As he says on his website:

"I hope that you will use this website not only to keep up to date with life in the parliament, but also as a snapshot of life in the Lothians. If I can ever be of assistance to you, please do get in touch."

It's as if he's crying out to you through the ether...

tI oD.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:25:47
344 Am not a unionist and would prefer the truth instead of all this cr--, don't really care what the Scots do as long as England gets her freedom
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 14:26:05
NovaScotia™ - took the words right out of my mouth. Mrs Kirkton would be proud! ;)
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 14:30:43
#348

Sirrah, Wordsworth was no unionist either. Although it is rumoured that on more than one occasion he did diddle with Dorothy. Well that is until Burns invaded Grasmere and scribbled "SNP" on her infant brow, with a feathered quill, naturally.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:31:26
346 Are these your ex-girlies,'cos mate don't know what the f--k you're on
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:31:38
438 A unionist who wants English independence? Yes, tea time at 70 Norton Road... How are you Kimba?
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:32:34
351 LOL. The fiend. Poor Ricky the tea boy - he's dead hot by the way
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:33:43
354. Methalions - indeed, but as the Unionists seem to have resorted to fakery, incoherence and parading a collective breakdown on these threads in place of debate there is little we can do until they pull themselves together.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 14:34:03
351 - :D LOL!!!!!! Yes, I heard he used blue ink to tattoo his message home...although nothing was ever reported in the press about it.
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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:35:18
351 Does the nut house know you have access to the internet
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:36:56
358. LOL. A bit rich from someone who is using the patients' computer at the 70 Norton Road day care facility.....still when Judith Ronin becomes aware of this abuse it will hopefully be more tightly controlled.

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wordsworth,

31/01/2008 14:41:24
Seems you dont't take well to English independence,but if you don't join with those of us in England who wish for there to be a English parliament then your fight will be a prolonged one
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 14:43:49
NovaScotia™ - I always thought 70 Norton Road was a pioneering centre for investigation of the "missing link" between the limpopo monkey and modern-day teessiders?
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:45:19
363 LOL.I thought it was law firm specialising in discrimination against obese simians?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 14:46:14
#358

Madame, I am wounded beyond repair...I think I may succumb to a touch of the vapours. Now prithy do tell us all about yourself, are you resident in the District of Lakes or further North East, of your dear and pleasant land?
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 14:46:23
#354 Methalions
'I'm with Geomac 1. This is just plain nuts.'

Surely it's the dog's b0llocks?

I did try to get back on topic but Sir Chicken Dimby was in full meltdown by then.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 14:46:34
361 Kimba, did u get moderated for your abusive posts the other day, or have you chosen this new moniker to reflect the natural eloquence of your prose and mellifluous turn of phrase?
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 14:46:58
362 - no Methalions, not "kimba", this is entirely different person, who just happens to share very similar views, standards of prose, and brain cell composition..apparently.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 14:54:48
In the words of the current Lebanese Laureat, 'Fat Lass you are beautiful'. I only hope Kimba can take some solace from these wondrous phrases...
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 14:57:34
#367 Methalions, just after I posted that I ralised I was being a bit dim about yours, and possibly also dim and optomistic about the chances and being within 100 miles of the topic.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 31/01/2008 15:01:13
You have to wonder how many folk on here read the (unbiased?) article in full before spouting off.

Salmond made it clear that some of the bodies had already been targeted by the previous Government.

It would also seem that the present government is not finished yet as there are others who will be under review which will mean at least that they are going to have to justify their exsistance or they are out as well.

BTW, Salmond never used the term 'Bonfire of the quangos,' but he did talk of smaller, fitter and better government, he also said that the reduction he wanted would take four years and that was just in Nov'of last year.

http://news.scotsman.com/brianmonteith/Quango-bonfire-idea-will-fail.3476475.jp

There are some other bit's of information regarding unionist partys and quangos which can be found here.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20001119/ai_n13954512

and

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_19990214/ai_n13936397

which might be of interest.

If anyone on here thinks that AM2 is perhaps not showing his usual pep, there may be a reason for it.

While having a quick scan of some other newspapers, when I arrived at the Daily Record, I noticed for the first time, that it had a forum, I din't expect much, but had a quick look.

You can imagine my surprise, when I found a comment under the user name of AM2!!!

Could this be real I wondered, I mean AM2 and the Daily Record.

The comments by the way were as follows.

Is Andy Kerr waiting in the wings?

Rumours are circulating at Holyrood that Andy Kerr is being lined up to replace Wendy Alexander as Labour Party Leader in Scotland.

A source said that backbenchers were 'ready to bring out the long knives,' as they become increasingly restless over the dithering on the donations row, the Electoral Commision are still reviewing all the evidence.

How long does it take to read a few 'emails that will exonerate her', a thank you note and evid
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:03:09
BMeister (367)

Correct. Thank you for arbiting that one, it is "dog's" and not "dogs'". Hopefully now Methalions will acknowledge he is wrong now that his good friends and allies are talking some sense.

I hope he has calmed down and isn't name calling as usual. For someone who find its so helpful to give others grammatical advice he sure won't take it. The Authority of controlling primary kids for a few years has gone to his head.
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ochone,

31/01/2008 15:04:03
The spook in Leith (365), you mean there's two of them?
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The Master,

31/01/2008 15:05:14
#348 Wordsworth: I hate being described as a "unionist" as much as you. I prefer to say that I am pro British unification: after over 300 years, it no longer relates to how ordinary people perceive the constitutional situation. In fact, no-one uses the word "union" regularly nowadays (apart from Nutty Nats!) As your average 20 year old Scot what it means and I bet they wouldn't know! Get a life, all you Nats out there!

Btw, I thought someone like Blake would have been more your style. I'd have gone for Donne myself, but you've probably not heard of that particular metaphysical genius!
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Charles Crosby,

UK 31/01/2008 15:07:55
Just blather and hot air from a power elite oik. If he were to cut out the quangos he'd be out of a job himself the next day.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 15:07:56
374 Sir Chicken

'Thank you for arbiting that one'

Alas and alack, no, I was talking in the singular so my placement of the apostrophe was, in this case, correct.
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The Master,

31/01/2008 15:10:06
361. A good articulation of the necessity of restoring English democracy!
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 15:10:32
336 Duncan – No.

Many nationalists make the mistake of dividing everyone into nationalists and unionists. Unionists also make that mistake. You say most people voted for unionist parties therefore most people are unionists. Then why do we have a nationalist government?

Most voters in Scotland are neither nationalists or unionists. They are pragmatists. The overwhelming majority of them want the Scottish Parliament to have ‘more powers’. That’s could mean anything from all the powers currently exercised by Westminster to the addition of some quite minor powers. It’s not an either/or type of question i.e. either you are 100% nationalist or unionist. It’s more like a scale. At one end is the Union, at the other is Independence. . I think we are about 70% of the way down the road to the Independence end of the scale. That doesn’t mean it’s inevitable that we’re going to go all the way but that is the direction we are travelling in, even you cannot deny that.
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Charles Crosby,

31/01/2008 15:14:04
Lets face it, Scotland is a rather pathetic country and economically is almost USSR Eastern European in its dependence on the public sector. Scots can't hack it in the private sector as many people such as Kelvin McKenzie have pointed out and met with the usual bleating, so the oik's quango cull will be minimal.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:14:41
Methalions (377)

It's no longer open for discussion. You can only refer to something as the dug's nads as the contents of many dogs sroti is irrelevant. You have shown what an educated and important man you are this morning as you boasted earlier. Moron.

Just let the Conservatives at these quangos, they love to give Kylie and Kevin the bad news about their relevance in the world and the amount of free money for nothing they should be allowed.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:20:13
383 Well said Charles, expect the usual Nat drones to attack you for speaking a harsh truth. However it is true, Scots lack the entrepreneurial drive more common in London, and this explains the over dependence on quangos and government jobs.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:20:23
The Master (367)

Well said. A "Unionist" is something that Irish terrorists and sympathisers detest. Their choice of the word is no accident, it is both provocative and has connotations which further their aim of portraying Scotland and England's relationship as a struggle of violent conflict.

Just look at the poisoning trial the other week. These people are sick in the head.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 15:21:13
I wonder if the internet access at 70 Norton Road has been switched off?! :D
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The Master,

31/01/2008 15:21:24
#380 Fakie Master: thanks for that! You completely burst my balloon there and I shall stage a strategic retreat to lick my wounds for a while: the Ian Swanson power struggle thread suddenly seems very enticing! Hasta luego everyone!
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 15:21:48
AM2 says: "Fur coat, nae knickers".

You know somethings wrong at John Smith House when AM2 can't find a list of numbers to confuse you with but has to resort to earthy Scots vernacular!

Meltdown = Slavering - Ranting - Whinging - Girning - Unionists!

LOL
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:27:46
Methalions (392)

How do packs of dogs share their b*ll*cks. This is the intreaguing mystery.

The phrase is dug's nads. A pack of dogs do not have a communal baw sac. Dugs' bones is fine. But nads, one dug, one set, it's natures way.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 15:37:54
Sir Chicken Digby

'I hope he has calmed down and isn't name calling as usual. '

From your own selection today:

149 SNP Bully
168 Nonsense little missy.
180 SNP knuckle draggers
189 you fu-ckkwit.
195 fool
197 You are a pretentious moron,
228 I can hold my own, girly!!

You can be pot or kettle, take your pick.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 15:39:02
There seems to be hunners o' Onionists today. Is it a local holiday in Edinburgh today?
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 15:39:19
395 Methalions
'I don't believe I'm wasting my time replying to all this.'

No, I think you are wasting your time, even if he knows he's wrong he's now painted in to such a corner that he couildn't admit it.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:39:25
BMeister (396)

228 Wasn't me.

The rest are correct.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 15:40:39
400 ya bams!
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:41:19
Methalions

When is it I use Bee's Knees and Bees' Knees?

I only ever use Bee's Knees as the other one is ridiculious.

You are a raving pedant and have been embarassing yourself by confirming that all afternoon.
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weh,

31/01/2008 15:42:21
ANOTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRY ABOUT TO DECLARE INDEPENDENCE!

http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4818&sid=404cc662ef2d22188b0d06eb5dc4a881
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:44:58
Methalions how about the Cat's Pyjamas? When is it the Cats' Pyjamas. Your expertise is sought on all these important matters. Taking a stock phrase and correcting its grammar and exposing yourself for the educated man you think you are is brilliant.

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weh,

31/01/2008 15:47:51
MORE LIES FROM THE EBC!

http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4738
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weh,

31/01/2008 15:51:46
THE RECORD TURNS AGAINST WENDY!!


http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4796
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 15:51:57
#381 I think you know why we have a nationalist government, and it is not, as many like to pretend, because the SNP won a majority at the election - it is because they failed to agree a coalition with the Lib Dems at national level after narrowly gaining the most seats in that election. We therefore have a minority government, because only a minority of people voted for the SNP.

You are right that many people would like to see some extra powers in the Scottish Parliament; plenty of others want to see that Parliament shut down. My point is that a majority of people, if asked should Scotland become independent, will say no. Even with King Salmond on the throne.

This honeymoon period is your best chance to get a yes vote on that, and the numbers aren't there. I don't think any sensible person can see a reality-shaken SNP government in 2011 improving its vote, or persuading people of it independence line. 2007 was your high-water mark, and it simply wasn't high enough.
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 15:53:25
399 Sir Chicken Digby
Ah well in that case, seeing that you consider it reasonable debate to call someone a fuckw!t when they ask you a reasonable question about a post of yours, then you are just a waste of time and space.
Not worth the bother.
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weh,

31/01/2008 15:54:36
Duncan wrote-
I don't think any sensible person can see a reality-shaken SNP government in 2011 improving its vote,"


Duncan-are you on drugs, by any chance?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 15:58:23
#413 Aye, a lethal cocktail. But fortunately they don't affect my brain.

The SNP's victory was based on rhetoric and promises. After 4 years in government they will be judged on reality. They would do very well to improve their vote in that situation.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 15:59:14
BMeister (399)

Sometimes you just have call an SNP supporter a fuc-kwit. Cut to the chase. You lot will argue about where the apostrophe goes for hours on end, so angry, so bitter, so insecure, so in need of status, so SNP.

Why bother sending posts back and forth (unless you want to expose a silly pedantic moron for who he is) argueing how many fairies can dance on an apostrophe when you can just dismiss them as a fuc-kwit?
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weh,

31/01/2008 16:00:13
WENDY IN VERSE!

http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4790
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 16:00:28
312 According to Bill Hill(Scotlandsking of parody) they have always been popular in China, so maybe like football they originated there ?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:01:32
Methalions, whay are you in the humph? People were reading your posts and thinking "wow, that man knows his grammar, it's obviously an area of great expertise for him, he's my hero."

You should impress them some more and increase your already legendary status as a pedantic old fool.
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weh,

31/01/2008 16:03:17
Duncan wrote
he SNP's victory was based on rhetoric and promises. After 4 years in government they will be judged on reality. They would do very well to improve their vote in that situation."

Duncan-treatment for your condition is nowadays available on the NHS- however I must warn you that the cure involves NOT listening to the Bean Broadcasting Company for the duration!
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 16:03:18
# 415

I find your language offensive. Please desist.
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 16:04:36
# 419

At least he's an educated pedantic old fool.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 31/01/2008 16:07:15
Duncan,
Your analysis of the nationalist vote in the last election is spot on. Just watch the triumphalist tone of the nationalist posters on here turn to bitterness as support ebbs away from the SNP over the next few months.
2007 was the time all the stars were in alignment for the SNP and still they couldn't convince more than 16% of the electorate to come out and support them.
I predicy rocky times ahead for Mr Salmond & co - just watch the bile count mount as the opinion polls tell them te horrible truth - the people of Scotland don't want independence...
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BMeister,

31/01/2008 16:07:28
415 Chicken

Hmm I think you have just proved my point.

Who said I was an SNP supporter anyway?
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:08:01
Yeah, that's what HE sais. Self-proclaimed know it alls never are.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 16:09:55
Sir Chicken Digby reminds me of someone equally obnoxious...
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juan kerr and his dead magic hands, now re risen.,

31/01/2008 16:20:02
photos of Wendy swimming on holiday in India.....

http://tinyurl.com/2g582a

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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:21:17
425. Typical SNP drone­
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:25:01
sir chicken.

so when scotland's independence finally happens you will be the one saying.

They put the aprostrophe in the wrong place.

I know its in the wrong place by the way. guess why?

I also dont need to resort to your unionist name calling and by the way your post at 386 was wrong on so many levels the two men involved in that case were an englishman and a scotsman who sent poisoned vodka to a herald journalist and an english councillor. quite why was never explained. The only people trying to make capital out of it are unionists.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:28:45
426 How does it feel to have to make up lies to justify yourself. I mean you obviously know your lying. Does lying make you feel good. I like other snp posters prefer to stick to the truth.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:29:50
Karin M (430)

Is it possible they didn't like the tone of the paper? The SNP get very annoyed when others make free choices or form their own opinions.

Perhaps they tried to assault him for that alone. The SNP get very worked up and abusive on these pages. I do hope the SNP get their terrorist factions under control. That was a disgrace.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:31:53
431 really they are anti english having been born in england and supporting the snp i have to say i have never found that. Also i have to say what policies did labour have for dealing with scotlands falling population. Are you aware that while englands population is increasing scotlands is falling and therefore requires different immigration poliicies from the rest of the union countries. Or are you just parroting labour policy direct from westmonster.
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 16:34:02
Fat wee 'eck and his jobbie policies - you are a disgusting little person.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 16:34:47
411 We have a nationalist government in Scotland because the ‘unionist’ parties could not stop it happening. Thus demonstrating that there is more that divides these ‘unionist’ parties than unites them. There are differences of views between – and within – these parties as to Scotland’s constitutional future. They are not all the same. I am glad you acknowledge that many people want the Parliament to have more powers – it would have been better had you used the word ‘majority’. But it is not true that plenty of others want the Scottish Parliament to be shut down. Very few people wantt that; no political party does. People in Scotland have more trust in the Scottish Parliament to work in their interests than they do in the Westminster Parliament – check out the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey.

Interestingly you argue like a mirror image of some nationalists. That there requires to be one single moment when Scotland decides to be independent. It’s not like that. Trying to pin down a single moment would be like trying to decide when exactly devolution became the ‘settled will’ of the Scottish people. Some time around 1992 would be my guess but no-one knows. It’s a process not an event after all. As regards 2011 - I expect the SNP government to be returned with a greatly increased majority. I would put money on that. There are lots of reasons for that, including the fact that the vast majority of Labour supporters have the SNP as their second preference. The basic reason though is that we want to win and at this point Labour doesn’t. They will come back of course, but it will be too late. In my constituency Labour are down to about 3 activists. For a number of years they have been relying on call centres to identify their supporters but that is dependent on having millionaire donors to bankroll them. Those days are past now. ho ho. The next few years will see political parties getting back to basics - sending their own activists round the doors, not re
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 16:35:07
Sir Chicken Digby - another disgusting little troll.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 16:35:42
Part 2 The next few years will see political parties getting back to basics - sending their own activists round the doors, not relying on call centres. Labour have very few activists left, those that are left are totally demoralised. They are going to have to rebuild from the bottom up - they don't have time to do that before 2011.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:36:13
434 so scotland is a scrounger is it. Think you need to reread your labour unionist memos.Labour have now changed their tune on this and apparently we dont scrounge. Apparently we are now doing well out of the union however this has only happened since five minutes after the snp became the governemnt. See five minutes into government and scotlands economy is booming under the snp. Gonnae at least get the unionist lies straight before you come on and post. Can i also suggest reading the mccrone report before returning to your brainwashed unionist state.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:39:39
433 wow how is that complete desperation working out for you. have you got to the total depression part yet or are you still at denial.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:40:50
The only reason the SNP won its one seat majority was because of the Muslim vote it courted - without that they would not have won. Clearly their "welcome a Muslim/ get an foreigner a job" welcome booths at our airports are another way of increasing this vote.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:42:37
442 erm no the posts are all yours ive checked with my nice little program. Unionists seem to have something agaisnt muslims. why i dont know. as for reporting them not a chance they can stand to show the behaviour of unionists.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 16:46:03
444 Sir Chicken Digby - vile racist. What a pathetic little world the inside of your mind must be.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:46:28
444 did you remove your spine to write that. of course thats assuming you had one in the first place. How does it feel not to have a coherent argument that doesnt resort to insult throwing and zenophobia, racism, sexism, etc.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:48:28
See when you signed up to your unionist party did you not read the small print that said.

I herby agree to remove all principals i ever had or may have obtained in the future had i not supported a unionist party.
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 16:48:42
I'm away - back when the children are sent to bed.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 16:50:04
I am fascinated by the SNP/Muslim conspiracy. I have no idea where it came from. There is no more of a 'Muslim' vote than there is a Catholic vote. I have heard the theory that Muslims all turned away from Labour to the SNP en masse because of Iraq. Well I am sure that Labour lost a lot of Muslim voters because of Iraq but they lost a lot of non-Muslim voters because of Iraq as well.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 16:53:04
I'd really urge people to report Sir Chicken - banter is banter, but the kind of comments the #442 is coming out with is awful.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:53:32
456 miss h who knows how their zenophobic minds work. Theyre mud slinging because they have lost the argument and they know it. its all they have. They just dont see its making them look silly.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:54:10
458 no leave it. It shows what the unionists are really like.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 16:54:54
458. truth hurts does it SNP drone, who usually complain about "censorship" - now you want me censored? Must have hit a nerve!!!
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Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 16:55:50
#Sir Chicken Digby

do you live here??????


http://badgas.co.uk/chicken/rangers.jpg
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:56:04
Oy foulkes

would you mind calling off your muslim haters.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 16:57:26
461 you will note i said leave it.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 17:08:13
472 nah your a unionist troll. dont lie.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 17:10:47
Is 428 the real chicken licken or the fakey? Cause I was going to point out that the tartan register is actually a tory one that the government agreed to.

There's a joke there about tartan tories but I can't be bothered.

Anyway all this faking is boring. Stop it.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 17:11:56
472 anyone who supports the snp knows we dont resort to having fakeys becaue we dont need to. Unionists are the ones who lie and make things up. Only unionists think the snp is just about independence its not its about social justice and fairness for scotland.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 17:13:09
476 ah if you cant beat them fake them. pathetic.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 31/01/2008 17:13:20
Sorry but I thought this was for adult comments. I would like to know how the chicken can type with one hand. Aptly named methinks...chicken.

Will come back when the grown ups come on line.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:13:32
475 Meths - indeed, Digby is pathetic.

Fake Meths - we can all see the fake i character - so now the game is to post garbage and then log in as "Meths" and admit to it? Are you having a breakdown?

I wish Foulkes could see all this?

Cry havoc and let slip the unstable buffoons.....
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Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 17:14:12
#417
morris,edinburgh


This you Morris.................yeah..he he



http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dre0532l.jp
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:14:43
480 We can all SEE you are a fake? Why do you persist? Are you a dribbling loon? We all know you are the same poster as Chicken Digby...give it a rest
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 17:15:26
# 454

I surmise he would think anyone over 40 with a brain is old.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 17:16:01
Whoever posted all those racist remarks should be ashamed of themselves.

428 is not me either.
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 17:16:29
I see that a potentially fake meths has been testing his monikers on the Mull Historical Society story, here:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/Rewriting-history.3728527.jp

How sad.
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Miss H,

31/01/2008 17:17:22
Oh dear time to shut this one down.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:18:18
489 Digby, buffon. We all KNOW that you were posting as "Methalíons" with funny "i" character - who do think you are fooling you sad sad pathetic creature?
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 17:18:33
486. Aren't YOU the same poster as Ayrshire Scot?

Oh dear, glass houses?
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Sgurr,

31/01/2008 17:19:12
ah...I see fakie meths has struck already! He gets about 3/10 for that one, I think. Poor old tranny.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 17:19:19
489 ive checked they are you and you know it and so does everyone else.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:19:24
490. Caught. what a total prat.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 17:21:04
Lord Foulkes is right. Resorting to that kind of racism to discredit another poster who is excercising their right of free speech is a disgrace.

Worryingly this is all too symptomatic of the SNP party's grass roots. There is no excuse for racism like that.

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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 17:22:58
I often wonder if it even registers in their brains. Just how twisted and disgusting they are?

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 17:23:10
Your pathetic digby you cant justify any of your arguments so resort to name calling. how does it feel to be wrong all the time.
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 Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 17:24:05
For the record 428 and 489 are not me.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:28:00
501 Digby - we all just watched you try to fake Meths and blame him for your posts - are you denying posting as the Meths with the weird "i" character - totally pathetic.

Highland - you may have noticed a proliferation of fake Ayrshire unionists that just confuse discussions.
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The Master,

31/01/2008 17:29:58
#498: put it this way: if the SNP didn't exist (oh happy thought!) would the Scotsman's threads be daily filled by cranks spouting negative bile and boasting how big their chips are? Scotland's to all intents and purposes a failed state: for how long during its existence as an independent entity was it united and at peace? Wasn't the Darien Project the final coup de grace? Get over it already, all you Nutty Nats out there!
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 17:30:16
NovaScotia (508)

That's right, I just post under this username. Please don't judge me by your standards. What you and Methalions do on this board is sickening.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:35:37
511 Digby

oh, so just after complaining about Meths, someone who was not you posted as a fake Meths and blamed him for your posts? Aye.....right. Pathetic.

Haven't seen you comment on the "Fat wee eck jobby" moniker to condemn that, or on any of the racist Ayrshire fakies......You seem somewhat selective in your indignation, about the time people started slating you for your pathetic posts.
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 17:39:07
Unionist must be anticipating the EC making an announcement re: Wendy, and are, therefore, trying to get these boards closed to comment ahead of time. That can only mean they expect exoneration as the result.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 17:39:16
What an amazing thread, 500 plus posts of mostly keech. I'm glad the unionists have adopted these tactics. It really shows them for the micro cocked cuntish types they are.
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 17:40:51
Nova Scotia (513)

You must be one of these nutters mummy warned me to avoid on the internet!

Good god, please refrain from communicating with me. Your psychotic delusions of my persecuting you are scaring me.

Just leave me alone! And ask someone you trust about the morality of what you have done here today. Racism should be challenged, even in scary wierdos like you.

If you contact me again, I shall just ignore you, so please don't.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:40:54
510 Mater - perhaps it escapes your notice, but all the abusive, vile posts on here - "Fat wee eck and his jobbies", "Chicken Digby" etc are unionists?

Usual standard of unionist debate - personal abuse about Salmond, no substance on the issues, disruptive rants .... care to comment on the less stable of your unionist posters?

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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:43:25
Why, I do declare Chicken Digby is determined to play out his break-down to its repulsive finale for all to see on here. Should be fun to watch if nothing else.
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 17:44:06
And someone has hijacked my username now.

My God, you are just a bunch of ****ing children, aren't you.

Anyone who read the crap on these boards would be rightly ashamed of this display of Scottishness.

AND HOWEVER MANY TIMES THE SNP MOB TRY TO BLAME THE 'UNIONISTS' FOR ALL THE PURILE CRAP ON HERE, ALL PEOPLE HAVE TO DO IS READ THIS BOARD AND SEE WHO THE REAL IDIOTS ARE.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:49:24
520 Are you saying the posters "Fat wee eck and his jobbies" posting nothing but abuse and racism, Digby who has been posting personal abuse from the top of this thread are SNP? Are you deranged? A cursory inspection of this thread and others shows the all too usual abusive, racist posts from unionists.

Clearly a case of Cry Havoc and let slip the locks on the Unionist asylum....
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 17:50:20
NovaScotia - neither this topic nor this thread is very interesting. There's no debate going on that's for certain. So let's not give the Scotsman a reason to prevent comment on the EC's decision re: Wendy which looks likely to be released tomorrow!

To judge by the feverish nonsense being posted here there is only one conclusion to be reached. Labour wants these boards closed to comment. Don't play their game.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 17:53:05
524 I agree. Clearly the Labour/ unionists are getting increasingly desperate. Let us ignore the worst of their output (and leave it up as it shows them for what they are) and await news of the EC report expectantly....
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 17:56:50
If one can be both seedy and jizzstained, then I believe Sir Chunky Dogbaws is.
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 17:58:37
Oscar - let it go - don't encourage this manure.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 18:02:36
So was it unionists who in the past hijacked my name repeatedly and slung the same sort of rubbish at me?

No, the best that can be said is that both sides have idiots on them. SNP supporters claiming that this is all unionists' work are not helping.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

31/01/2008 18:03:42
#516 Oscar: I quite agree: I don't think I've seen a more sorry excuse for educated debate. Anyone who's anyone's been faked on here, genuine posters such as myself have themselves been accused of being fakes, the abuse has plumbed new depths and the Scotsman are surely about to "do a Herald" and close all political debate. One side's as bad as the other, let's face it.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 18:05:37
#528

You're right we shouldn't poke fun at the deranged Unionist zombies.

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:08:48
530 fake
531 fake.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 18:09:32
Interesting to hear Nicol Stevens SHRIEKING at FM Salmond today over this plastic surgeon throwing a hissy fit with his hospital management. Only dolphins and dogs really understood what he was talking about. I dare say Rep Scotland will have it as their top story tonight followed by the Hootsman tomorrow.
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31/01/2008 18:20:38
What the 'Unionists' did to combat racial discrimination

The first Race Relations Acts, 1965 and 1968
In 1965, the first Race Relations Act outlawed racial discrimination and set up the Race Relations Board (R.R.B) to investigate complaints. The Act’s provisions were weak and, in 1968, a new act enlarged and extended the R.R.B’s powers and set up the Community Relations Commission (C.R.C) to help enforce the new laws.

The 1976 Act
In 1976, a far tougher Act was passed that made discrimination unlawful in employment, training, education, and the provision of goods and services. It extended discrimination to include victimisation, and replaced the R.R.B. and the C.R.E. with the Commission for Racial Equality, a stronger body with more powers to prosecute.

The Stephen Lawrence case
Since 1976, further amendments have been made the Act. The police were specifically excluded from the provisions of the 1968 Act, on the grounds that they had their own disciplinary codes. Racism within the police force was not fully recognised until the 1990s after Black teenager Stephen Lawrence was murdered. The subsequent enquiry into the police’s handling of the case found there was ‘institutional racism’ within the Metropolitan Police.

A turning point
The Race Relations Acts of the 1960s and 1970s did not eradicate racial discrimination. However, they did make an official statement about the values of British society, and as such marked a turning point in the evolution of a multi-cultural society.

The 1968 Race Relations Act was passed in the same year as the Commonwealth Immigration Act, which tightened controls on new migrants. The Home Secretary responsible for both was James Callaghan, who saw the Acts together as a way of creating ‘a society in which, although the government might control who came in, once they were in, they should be treated equally’.


What the 'Nationalists' have done to combat racial discrimination
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Ayrshire Scot™,

31/01/2008 18:22:20
#532: alright then, what evidence do you have that I'm fake, Karin? I'm sick of this, I've been faked so many times that I can't post anythng without everyone shouting "fake". Youre the one with the hard space after Karin by the way, so youre a fakie yourself!
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 18:26:24
Nico -this thread's about quangos. As mush as unionists would like to turn it into an opportunity for a racist rant - try your bait elsewhere.
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MtnKat,

31/01/2008 18:33:17
Only the real Ayrshire Scot and KarinM would know what assignment they were given by Commander Dunnie.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:33:19
535 because ayrshire never calls me karin ever. that and i have his email. fake.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:34:08
and also if you were ayrshire you would just give me a roasting if i was a fake. which aryrshire, the real ayrshire would know right away.
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MtnKat,

31/01/2008 18:36:19
As I noted on the Herald thread.............. Why do we hear no more of Labour's fiddling the accounts to be reimbursed for monies paid their own company (based in London) for services that are provided gratis by Holyrood?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:38:56
542 because the unionista press are only interested in their masters voice. even the herald is ran from london.
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31/01/2008 18:42:40
#3.,AM2. Glasgow,UK 31/01/2008 00:24:02
‘Style over substance. That's the SNP for you.

Still, a few more mugs will be taken in by their spin, so mission accomplished.’

Again AM2, you, and much of the opposition parties it seems, have totally missed the importance of this first step into what could be called task orientated management, by far the most effective managerial system ever devised prior to the wide spread use of computers and mobile phones etc. Bill Gates once said that if the system of management in the work place was wrong, then computers will only magnify the problems, but a system that also has too many advisory committees also runs the risk of costing far more in the slowing down of progress than the initial cost of running the committees.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:42:44
am bored with unionistas now. off to start a blog for offline action against the unionist press.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 18:42:59
539. Hi MtnKat - touch not the cat but with a glove. I (real Ayrshire) am second in command of NCDF.

And I am in email contact with Marinka. The poster at 535 is indeed another fakes.

FAKERS (both sides) - WHY DON'T YOU JUST STOP IT? ALL YOU DO IS CONFUSE DISCUSSION.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:43:33
hey scotsman im going to make sure everyone in scotland is aware of bias in the press....

chew on that.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 18:44:59
548 Meths - when the changeover came, alot of monikers were deleted - Ayrshire Scot TM had been moderated - when changeover came it was available again but I was using a different one.....

535 - yawn, why don't you give it a rest? By continuing you just encourgae more fakes on both side..... ah, do what u want
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Sir Chicken Digby,

31/01/2008 18:45:05
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You are a disgrace. Why don't you take what little dignity you have left and just be quiet for a change. Racist postings under fake names is completely your style.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:45:59
552 sod the quangos i want the press sorted out.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 18:48:18
555. No, I think Meths would own up to using a fake moniker, and wouldn;t copy someone elses anyway. He may use the occasional additional moniker but always admits it.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 18:52:12
anytime meths has been a troll he always says before he leaves. always.
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31/01/2008 18:52:40
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HEN BROON 5,

31/01/2008 19:09:51
543 HEN BROON 6,31/01/2008 18:36:31
#538: cybernat scanner? This is the usual unionist quisling garbage. What is a cybernat supposed to be?



Well done guys you have lost the argument so spoil the forum by faking monikers of any one who gets the better of you, what a bunch of sad unionist losers. Lord Zebedee are you watching the cyber Brit Nats have completely lost the plot a wee bit like you and wee wendy.


ALBA GU BRATH.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 19:10:11
561 why do you have no name?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:13:57
because if he/she has no name then no one can fake it.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:15:58
im jsut gonna call him her clint.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 19:16:06
564 ah yes
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:18:14
sod it im just going to make up scottish pravda stickers and stick them to papers.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:19:39
has anyone noticed the web links beside this and other snp stories by the way that say scottish executive.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:20:54
568 hmmm no failed again fakie.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 19:33:11
Fakes? You are all fakes, and would be much improved by spending a day or so standing still in Madame Tussaud's.

Don't you realise that the entire article is a foul-up. It was intended to be about Johnny Kwango. Older posers, or posters, will know the name.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:33:33
oh okay soreeeee.
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Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 19:41:52
#573

http://www.britishwrestling.cwc.net/kwango1.jpg
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:42:39
575 deliberate i think clint.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 19:42:42
577 - You're a star!
Don't think he was a Weegie, though.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:43:33
576 we are just about to discuss why the scotsman calls the scottish governemnt the scottish executive.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 19:46:49
581 - Why would the Scotsman bother. They probably work on the basis, 'Different name, same sh1te'.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 19:50:20
584. Hooooos Pooooos Welcome Back

And he is windier than that bitter wind, and pushes over more old ladies....
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:52:45
584 I know he obviously has far too much time on his hands. I take it then that he has answered all his constiutents letters and concerns before spending all night on the pc.
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Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 19:54:39
#582

And more fun.........Big Daddy....Big Daddy....Big Daddy....Big Daddy....
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:56:53
just been and got that last hoos poos
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 19:57:48
589 Stop dissing Lord Zebedee
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 19:58:07
giant haystacks and big daddy now that was good. used to watch that. was funny
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 20:01:12
588 - Those were the days. Sat night, 7 o'clock bus, first to the wrestling for a giggle, then the pub for a couple, followed by the club for another couple (or more), plus some etc., if lucky, and finally the long walk home, if unlucky, as was usually the case.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:02:09
593 don't diss Jackie Baillie
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:04:07
yeah i do remember that was a tad off putting.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:05:16
594 Calm down George, don't want you getting lifted in a drunken rage again
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Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 20:07:13
#592 Just for you spooky..........



The Rt. Hon Lord George Foulkes of Cumnock P.C., B.Sc., J.P.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39752000/jpg/_39752677_foulkes203pa.jpg


Regards,
Lord Foulkes

xxxxxxxxxx




#594

With people like u about i could end up voting for the snp............
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 20:07:19
601 - I should think they are nearly all dead. Going back to the mid-sixties here, you know! They were all a great deal older than me.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:09:54
602 I know, Niko. I would like it noted that my crack is neither fat nor smelly, but in fact quite pert, slim and clean
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Van (not white) Diesel,

31/01/2008 20:10:01
600 - NovaScotia™ - Congratulations!
..... and now folks, it's the turn of Sir Cliff Richard.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:12:24
605 hoos poos to my 600 - thanks

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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:18:30
someone once told me i forget who that big daddy and giant haystacks where actually real life partners. was that true.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:19:50
listen i have come to the conclusion that we are seriously going to have to do something about the scottish press its getting beyond a joke now. anyone got any legal ideas.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:21:48
email campaign. attached to blog with examples of bias.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:23:13
well that scottish executive bit up the top would be a starter for ten. The only people who still call the scottish governemtn the scottish executive are westminster.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:24:38
I think the genral public needs to be made aware of how biased the press are.
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:25:04
610 Marinka

is a free press. Can't control their editorial stance, that worse than having the biased press we have. Just have to win in spite of them which the SNP has already shown it can do....

Even the Daily Record is saying Labour are a joke, the express in backing independence - eventually demographics will soften the editorial stance of the tabloids - the SNP got the most votes, so most readers are SNP.....
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An Beal Bacht,

31/01/2008 20:26:15
An absolutely abysmal thread. Not to worry wee Wendy should be getting the chop tomorrow. Boards are still up and can't wait for the bruhaha. Out!
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:31:29
617 it has to meet one of these.

members of the press have a duty to maintain the highest professional standards. The Code, which includes this preamble and the public interest exceptions below, sets the benchmark for those ethical standards, protecting both the rights of the individual and the public's right to know. It is the cornerstone of the system of self-regulation to which the industry has made a binding commitment.

It is essential that an agreed code be honoured not only to the letter but in the full spirit. It should not be interpreted so narrowly as to compromise its commitment to respect the rights of the individual, nor so broadly that it constitutes an unnecessary interference with freedom of expression or prevents publication in the public interest.

It is the responsibility of editors and publishers to apply the Code to editorial material in both printed and online versions of publications. They should take care to ensure it is observed rigorously by all editorial staff and external contributors, including non-journalists, in printed and online versions of publications.

Editors should co-operate swiftly with the PCC in the resolution of complaints. Any publication judged to have breached the Code must print the adjudication in full and with due prominence, including headline reference to the PCC.





1
Accuracy



i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.

ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and - where appropriate - an apology published.

iii) The Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.

iv) A publication must report fairly and accurately the outcome of an action for defamation to which it has been a party, unless an agreed settlement states otherwise, or an agreed statement is published.

2
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NovaScotia™,

31/01/2008 20:32:09

Karin

I think they know the press is biased...


Those waking up that day were greeted by the Sun's front page image of a looped rope, inside which read the threat:

"Vote SNP today, and you put Scotland's head in the noose."

The Daily Mail's front page warned: "This man wants to destroy Britain" beside Mr. Salmond's face.

While the Daily Record urged: "Do not sleepwalk into independence. Do not let a protest vote break up Britain. Think about it."



http://bp0.blogger.com/_BPBojSYFPDw/RjnABbxQzSI/AAAAAAAAANQ/5UFNi3jkLJY/s1600-h/Dont+Break+Up+UK.JPG
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:32:38
see here col.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 31/01/2008 20:38:30
Could we not establish a quango to supervise the bonfire of the quangos?
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:39:09
621 i dont think everyone does i think a lot more people do due to the press coverage since the snp won. however i would like more people to know. Im going to start critiquing the articles according to bias. im going to get a set of rules for deciding bias and post them then critique the article.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:40:05
623 ah but we would need a quango to supervise that quango ad infinitum.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

31/01/2008 20:40:39
Sorry everyone - rebooted - my wifey, sorry wi-fi, locked up. Little tv screen showed solid blue all the time.
C'mon peoples, the press, politicians, professional footballers (and the list goes on, and on), all push the barriers as far as they dare. Every now and then they are caught out, and are obliged to try and redress the balance (except politicians).
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:42:26
i suppose nova in a way the bias actually helps the snp because we do like to support the underdog in scotland. if we see someone not being treated fairly we start supporting them. Thats what i like most about scotland our sense of fairness.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:43:57
It reminds me of the story of william wallace and how he was out poaching one day and caught a salmon a soldier stopped him and told him he would have to hand it over. wallace offered to split it with the soldier. The soldier refused. result

one deid soldier.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 20:44:28
Meths - if still there. Decent, reasonably priced (translated as cheap), restaurant, Torrox, or Torrox Costa, svp.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 31/01/2008 20:47:46
634 The Spook in Leith
You obviously did not see the chicken prog a week or so back.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:48:38
634 ye had to do it. youve now created a neuronic link in my brain between that eejit and a good wholesome wholesome KFC. Youll be comparing fatty foulkes to mcdonalds next.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 20:51:18
625
Meths;- who chicken?
627
Not spook.
Poor.
No style at all.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 20:51:35
AM2 where have you been have you been hiding because of my blog.


http://haveyouspottedam2.blogspot.com/



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