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'Bonfire of the quangos' described as a 'damp squib'



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Published Date: 31 January 2008
ALEX Salmond's long-awaited "bonfire of the quangos" was unveiled yesterday and immediately condemned as a "damp squib" that would make no real difference to the size or the cost of the public sector in Scotland.
The First Minister announced the abolition of 17 public bodies yesterday, claiming he had cut the size of the quango state by a quarter.

Among the changes is the amalgamation of the Deer Commission and Scottish Natural Heritage and the abolition of a swathe of advisory boards.

The General Teaching Council for Scotland will also become a self-regulating body along the lines of the General Medical Council.

However, opposition politicians claimed most of the bodies scrapped by Mr Salmond were advisory committees that cost very little to run and employed few staff.

And they demanded to know how much money would be saved by the cuts and how many jobs would go as a result of the quango cull.

Mr Salmond said it was impossible to provide that sort of detail at this stage. And he defended his actions, claiming he was making good on his promise to "declutter" the government of Scotland, a change that would benefit both the private and public sectors

The First Minister announced last year that he would cut Scotland's 199 public bodies by a quarter. Yesterday, he published a list of 17 that are to be scrapped over the next three years, plus 35 that have already been abolished by the Scottish Government.

Mr Salmond claimed that total of 52 met his pledge of cutting the quango state by a quarter, but said another 40 bodies would be reviewed over the next three years and some of them might also be abolished.

He told MSPs that the plans "represent the most ambitious drive to reduce government bureaucracy since devolution".

Of the 35 public bodies scrapped in the past eight months by the Scottish Government, 32 were children's panels, which have been merged into one body, and five of the 17 changes announced yesterday involve advisory committees.

Political opponents claimed Mr Salmond was merely cutting the number of quangos for show and failing to address the cost of the public bodies to the taxpayer.

And they argued that Mr Salmond had failed to mention any of the new bodies he created since taking office, including the Broadcasting Commission.

Wendy Alexander, the Scottish Labour leader, said the bonfire of the quangos had turned into a "damp squib".

She added: "Alex Salmond forgot to mention 23 of the 24 new organisations his government has created since he entered office. It is right to ensure value for money for the public purse, but there is an absence of detail on how these efficiencies will be made.

"If this is nothing more than a rebadging exercise, then the savings promised will not be forthcoming."

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Conservative leader, said the move was "52 cards being reshuffled, redealt and remaining at 52 cards".

She added: "The question every taxpayer wants answered is how many fewer people will be employed and how much money will be saved to the public purse. After today's statement, we are none the wiser."

Meanwhile, Nicol Stephen, for the Lib Dems, said: "Seventy-six new bodies being created by this government and rising, all supported by a total of 50 reviews and 91 new consultations.

"Why doesn't the First Minister admit he is adding to the clutter and the truth is that, for everything he has dropped, he has brought in something new?"

Why efficiency drive fails to make the cut

WHEN is a quango not a quango? When it hasn't been abolished by the Scottish Government.

Yesterday's assault on quangos by the First Minister promised a great deal and, at first glance, it appeared to deliver.

A swathe of public bodies were being axed, Alex Salmond announced.

He claimed to have abolished 35 in the past eight months and another 17 with his statement to parliament yesterday.

That's it. We now have slimmer, leaner government with less bureaucracy and savings for front-line services.

Well, not quite. The first problem is that no-one really seems to know what is a quango and what isn't, so it is impossible to say with any certainty how many actual quangos have been abolished. When the Scottish Government was asked for a list of the 199 quangos it claimed existed in Scotland, it produced a list of about 70. Some of the quangos which Mr Salmond claimed were abolished or merged or under review as a result of yesterday's statement weren't even on that list.

Also, Mr Salmond was unable to say how much money would be saved from his changes and how many jobs would go, because he doesn't know.

What he has done is get rid of a long list of advisory committees; these are the boards of experts and professionals put together to deal with something in their area of expertise. They are often unpaid and the committees usually do a reasonably worthwhile job.

Now many are gone. Perhaps that is a good thing, but it won't save much money. The real money in Scotland's quango state is in the executive bodies – these are the big ones with premises and staff and public money to spend. These are the real quangos.

These tend to look after areas such as housing, water, enterprise and prisons. Some of these have been merged or brought into the government, and while they will disappear as organisations, their function and staff will remain because they are necessary.

Mr Salmond claimed his quango cull would at least cut back on advertising spend, because the board vacancies would not have to be advertised in newspapers, as they are now. And he claimed that private-sector productivity might improve by 1 per cent, because of the lack of bureaucracy.

Both those are possible, but it is impossible to avoid the impression that this was little more than an exercise in smoke and mirrors, and the real savings, which Mr Salmond promised, will not materialise unless he is more ruthless and more determined to reduce the scope and power of the state.

The full article contains 1036 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Royster,

31/01/2008 00:11:58
No problem with cutting quangos. It does look like Salmond has bottled it though.
2

Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:16:41
He claims to have 'cut' 52 quangos but cannot say how much money will be saved or how many jobs will be lost?

All he has done is MERGE them into far larger agencies. How does that benefit the taxpayer? What has he achieved?

And what about the 24 NEW quangos he has created since just last May?

"Mr Salmond claimed his quango cull would at least cut back on advertising spend, because the board vacancies would not have to be advertised in newspapers."

Wow! Now you're talking! The man's an idiot!
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:27:28
Can't wait to see how all the SNP loyalists spin this!

(Make sure you watch for all the one sentence pro-SNP comments being posted within minutes of each other - that will be them posting under multiple usernames trying to boost their meagre numbers.)
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31/01/2008 00:28:37
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:31:14
4, 5 & 6. All I see from your cut&paste are a great many mergers with only the tiny, part-time 'advisory' boards being axed.

Looks like the article was quite accurate after all.

Maybe the others on the SNP Central night-shift can shed some more light on these ground-breaking moves?
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:37:59
"Saving £25M without any compulsory redundancies" eh?

So the same functions with the same staff......where are the 'savings' coming from then?

Is he going to force them to sit closer together to save on office space?
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

31/01/2008 00:37:59
Number 11.

Whats this nonsense??

Is Salmond all for segregated schools based on religion?

What next? Muslim only schools?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 31/01/2008 00:38:45
The Blessed Alex was at Hampden last night, will he be on the phone to Vlad about his building plans.
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 00:39:56
12. Sure I can. Watch this space!
17

subrosa,

31/01/2008 00:43:35
I think at least this is a start. His hands are tied because of his policy of no redundancies really. There's a lot more to come I'm sure but not bad in less than 9 months.


# 3 AM2
I have never insulted you and would ask you to refrain from insulting me. Let me assure you I am no mug unless, of course, anyone that doesn't support your opinions is classified as a mug in your book.
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31/01/2008 00:45:54
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 00:56:17
There is a far less biased article as headlines in the Herald. It includes the issues of farming, marine etc.
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Gary McL,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 00:56:54
The Herald's coverage of this story today is far more informative and doesn't have the stench of negativity and bias that I read above.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 31/01/2008 01:00:14
#3 AM2 says "Style over substance. That's the SNP for you. Still, a few more mugs will be taken in by their spin, so mission accomplished"

My god! that is exactly what most people were throwing at the New Labour regime in the past 8yrs.
"Such hypocrisy from this Westminster lover"!!
22

Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 01:02:09
12. And there are two examples at 20 and 21.

Wait, there'll be more later. No, don't go.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:07:19
23
Hmm.
Where is *your* alter ego English Voice tonight?
25

Nikostratos,

31/01/2008 01:09:08

He didn't know couldn't say forgot to mention...That's Alex Salmond for you......Blether..Blether..bit of a damp squib..try to spin your way out of that one snp.......whirr....whirr..whirr
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31/01/2008 01:16:34
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Highland Mighty,

31/01/2008 01:20:30
25. It's a timeless classic, that one.

It's almost comforting to see it on such a regular basis!
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:25:30
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Would you like custard on it?
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:27:42
31
A sauce for the goose...

(The goose is you by the way:-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/01/2008 01:36:17
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AM2
Tsk'tsk
Its Cybernat™.
You invented it.
Look it up.
In your files.

Oo-er, nearly said flies there.

Titter ye not.

Frankie Howerd RIP.
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31/01/2008 01:43:52
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I'mallymax,

31/01/2008 01:48:04
Abolish the Justice of the Peace 'advisory committees'.

They're just a bunch of totalitarian coppers crown officials, and prosecution lawyers.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 01:52:09
AM2,Highland Flighty et al

You have no style.

You have no substance.

You have no future.

More than 3 senteneces... must not be a CyberNat LOL
34

subrosa,

31/01/2008 02:10:11
# 26 AM2

So I'm an SNP member? Really? You assume too much AM2, far too much. I give credit where credit is due and try to look at Scottish politics objectively. Had plenty practice as I may have quite a few years on you (I refer to you saying you had children at home before you query that sentence).

I've watched the destruction of parts of Scotland by the labour party over the years, those trapped in poverty by false promises, meetings behind closed doors when they should have been open to the public. I shan't bore you with what you should already know. My thoughts now are to give the SNP a chance. They have surprised many and long may it continue.

Let me tell you I'm waiting. I'm waiting for any policies coming from the unionist parties and I'm having rather a long wait as you know. Mind you I'm a patient person. Yes I would even call myself a mug for waiting for such events.
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subrosa,

31/01/2008 02:14:08
# 23

Amusing? Ha ha ha ha (written slowly). I never use another name. Nor do I insult people personally.
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 02:17:25
Alex Salmond has bottled it.

Is there any SNP promise not now broken? If there is ladbrokes will no longer take bets on them breaking it - these lying scrotums should be flogged for their bile.
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pehman,

sussex 31/01/2008 02:20:19
I just posted this on the Herald, but thought you might like to see it as well.

And the good news just keeps comming. After yesterdays wendy article I thought I'd have a peek at to-days record, and found this;-

Scots Back MSPs To Stand Up For Nation
Jan 30 2008 Exclusive by Magnus Gardham, Daily Record

THE number of Scots who trust the Holyrood government to stand up for the country has soared since the SNP took power.

Official figures show 71 per cent of Scots believe the executive and parliament "always" or "mostly" work in Scotland's best interests.

The figure for the previous year was just 51 per cent.

The figures are due to be published tomorrow in the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 2007.

More than 1500 people took part in the study between March and November last year, a period which included the first six months of the SNP government.

It truely seems to be that that the slab mouthpiece is changing its tune.
I just wonder if it had anything to do with the rumour that the express was going to announce its support for the SNP, or is it just that slab are sh-it ?
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31/01/2008 02:40:07
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pehman,

sussex 31/01/2008 03:14:24
40 Dawn of the dead, thats a rather obvious reference to the mouth of the south, the patter killer herself but it may pass for the slab in its entirety.

If you doubt my words here, then think on this. It's now almost two years since the SNP took the lead in the opinion polls, a lead it has held all that time. Polls can swing dramaticly, but two years worth of polls tells you a great deal.

As further proof if any were needed that slab are finished as a force in Scotland, witness the editorial comments from lab HQ (the daily record) if they thought for a min that lab had ANY chance in the foreseeable future of a comeback, would they have been so kind to the SNP two days running.

I think not !
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Navvy,

31/01/2008 03:17:29
It is a start and certainly some of the mergers seem to make sense.


The big problem has always been closing down a Quango once its brief is achieved. They have a strong tendency to become self perpetuating
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 03:28:55
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What are you prattling on about? Opinion polls and Labour poularity? The price of chess in Angora?

You need none of that information to work out whether or not the SNP are lying scrotes. Make a list of their promises pre-election and then in the second column write down what they did.

Labour are a bunch of scrotes as well. Being more popular than them is hardly a proud boast - but the SNP's best boast by far, sais it all really.

The SNP, lying wrinkly folds of skin but not as hated as Labour...yet
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James,

Dundee 31/01/2008 04:29:52
#23 'Master Mariner'/'Dawn of Dead' how goes it?

Anyway to thank #41 The Pehman for his post, I have noticed that the Record has temporarily 'gone Native'.

My conclusion is that they are determined to force the 'Gub of Gilmour Street' out. Lets face it she was never one of 'them'.

The Slab (West Mafia Branch) 'made men' have put a 'contract' out with the Daily Ranger, to assassinate 'the special one' and are now meeting with Dr 'Brit to the bone' Reid with the intention to select their new 'capo di tutti capi Scozzi'.

Once the massive brain has been disposed of normal service at the Record will be resumed.
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TommyKaye,

UK 31/01/2008 07:43:22
#3 AM2

"Style over substance. That's the SNP for you."

Style over substance that's AM2 for you.

Whenever you see the title AM2 you think ah, a well reasoned argument, a signifiant point, an valued opinion? HOWEVER what you get is the same old crap cut and paste and comments dictated from party HQ.

Live by the sword die by the word
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ddmc,

31/01/2008 07:55:47
Who created all these quango's ?
why do we need so many ?

over staffed executive/scots govt or whatever name they call it next.

Scotland is far too dependant on public jobs & you wonder why we lag behind the rest of the UK in economic growth.

It's not a bonfire we need but a raging inferno !
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Jimmy the Pie,

31/01/2008 08:09:41
This again appears to be a non story. Why are the Unionists are getting so wound up?? It is amazing!!
I see Andy Kerr making all the right noises in his leadership campaign. It won't be long!!!
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 31/01/2008 08:10:52
wendy woos comment a damp squib,the only damp squib in scotland is the labour party,why is she not talking to the polis about her bung
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 08:10:59
Alex Salmond has made a move in the right direction, no doubt there will be savings in money and time for the public as well as the government.
The "no compulsory redundancies" policy is a bold move as it means that they will not have to fight employees and unions over the policy but it's direct cost is difficult to estimate.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 31/01/2008 08:12:33
Andy Kerr's RANT!!! on Radio Scotland this morning was worthy of inclusion in the 'Bumper Book of Bonker Labour Rants', his finale nearly had me in tears of joy.

Andy is dissolving with the struggle to cope with "this RIGHT-WING government in Hollyrood".
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Interested Taxpayer,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 08:13:56
Total and utter loss of bottle by Salmond.

He needed to get into the Executive bodies and has failed.

Just like Labour before all hot air!
50

Scotland to prosper...,

31/01/2008 08:15:10
“What he has done is get rid of a long list of advisory committees; these are the boards of experts and professionals put together to deal with something in their area of expertise. They are often unpaid and the committees usually do a reasonably worthwhile job.

Now many are gone. Perhaps that is a good thing, but it won't save much money. The real money in Scotland's quango state is in the executive bodies – these are the big ones with premises and staff and public money to spend. These are the real quangos.

These tend to look after areas such as housing, water, enterprise and prisons.”

Maybe I’m missing something here but I’d imagine having bodies that deal with such essential areas as housing, water etc as a necessity and should not be anyway near the chopping board. The argument attempted in this section of the piece is pathetic.

Salmond has not cut quango’s for the sake of cutting quango’s. He would be crucified if he were to start culling major executive committee’s without firstly cutting away the smaller, less essential ones. This is political point scoring at its most desperate.

I’ve read the Scotsman for many years but this is without doubt the worst piece of journalism I’ve seen to date.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 08:34:13
#24 Erm, actually the only thing that has changed since I made that comment is that Salmond has *started* to acknowledge the extent to which his earlier announcements were misrepresentations. But in fact his 25% cut consists almost entirely of actions from the previous administration! The new closures he announced yesterday are not actually closures at all, but rather "plans" to examine the potential of closing. There are only 52 actual closures, of which more than 30 were made by the previous government.

So I stand by my comment. He is wilfully misrepresenting all along here, and continued to do that yesterday.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 08:35:14
Erm...How many quangos were Zanu-Labour and the Unionist Junta at Holyrood proposing to cut exactly?
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conservative,

Fife 31/01/2008 08:42:28
Now why would we expect politicians to cut the major quangos when that's where they will be heading off to after their next electoral defeat? All the more so for the big talk but no action SNP I expect.
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Media 1,

cape town 31/01/2008 08:52:59
It is becomming increasingly obvious that Salmond is out of his depth! He needs to resign, hold up his hands and accept that his stuck in the past dreams for Scotland are nothing more than flights of patriotic fancy!
Please resign Mr Salmond, and allow Scotland to flourish.
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31/01/2008 08:56:14
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 08:57:35
#56 Not proposing, did cut - 32.

Another question: how many quangos have been newly created in the last 9 months by cull-king Salmond? Answer: 24.

You have to laugh at a man who points to a quango "cull" which might save perhaps £20,000 a year tops (I'm talking about the actually announced items, not the floated possibilities over the next 4 years), and yet instigated a vanity rebranding exercise for the Scottish Executive which cost at least £100,000.

A hero of the people indeed.
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31/01/2008 08:59:33
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 31/01/2008 09:00:07
Is Transport Scotland a quango?

It has failed, so far, to explain why the next Forth bridge is to cost 11 times the present one (after allowing for inflation).

I'd abolish it for failing to choose a Forth causeway instead and save us all a fortune.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:00:55
Let's not forget it was the Tories which introduced Quangocracy into Scottish Public life in the 1990s - the policy was augmented by Labour who took it to extremes - aided and abetted by their Liberal counterparts.

And in the spirit of Media 1's parody - Its pretty clear the Unionist Junta are to blame for this. They are out of their depth and they should all resign because their Unionist dreams, keeping Scotland tethered to an intellectually and morally bankrupt political union are nothing more than patriotic fantasy,

:-)
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:01:44
#60 How many did they create since 1999, Duncan?
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:05:07
Here's a good one from 1999:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_19990214/ai_n13936397
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 31/01/2008 09:05:14
"All he has done is MERGE them into far larger agencies. How does that benefit the taxpayer? What has he achieved?"

Even IF that was the case, it benefits taxpayers because it means people have to work with far fewer agencies and far less bureaucracy in order to get anything done, which means wasting far less time and money and vastly increases efficiency at no cost or even at a cost saving. And vastly increased efficiency is a tangible, measurable benefit for everyone.
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Grant,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:07:13
Labour's Growth in Quangocracy at UK level and at Scottish level in 2001:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200104090021

Around 94 new Quangos created in Scotland around or before that time.
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walter,

31/01/2008 09:12:10
There was never 199 quango's in the first place and this was brought to light at the time when he was asked to name them all.
Collectively all those bodies quango's committees and the like equaled 199 and he promised to cut this amount by 1/4 or 50.
He has done that in fact he has went further and cut 52 so we should now have 147 of these bodies, except we don't we have 171 by all accounts as he's created 24.
Smoke and mirrors, spin or just down right lies what ever way you want to put it there has been no change.
All that happened in May was we got different people feeding us the same sh!t.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:12:22
A few comments:

#55, Duncan in Edinburgh - presumably the announcement that the SNP are stopping the process of jobs being moved from Edinburgh is the reason that you've refrained for a few days from your usual "SNP are anti-Edinburgh" betherings. Give it a few weeks and start anew, eh?

#58, Media 1 - Give it a rest. You predicted fire, brimstone, hell and high water. None of the above have happened. Instead, no matter how AM2 repetitively tries to spin it, we've seen Labour sleeze, the unionist parties desperately try to stand together, despite their many huge differences, thus betraying many of their supporters values, and funny little things have come to light, like how impoverished the Edinburgh City Council had become under its previous Labour administration.

#61, Dawn of the dead - more of that bitter insecure drivel from you? You're the sort of clown that makes me ashamed of my fellow Edinburgh neighbours. I doubt very much that anyone in Glasgow cares at all about your tragic attempts to demean them.

Last of all - I wonder how many Labour quotes are directly used as headlines in the paper?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:17:49
#70 Interesting. I observe that: a) you have no come back on what I am actually saying about the issue of the article, so you choose to attack me on a different topic to deflect attention from the current SNP fiasco; and b) you appear to be under a misapprehension about what John Swinney actually announced about relocations - he categorically did not stop the process.

Why not try arguing with facts and on topic, for once, Alasdair?
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Proud2Be,

Scotland 31/01/2008 09:17:57
How disappointing that SOME people, read AM2 et al, seem incapable of grasping the fact that this was an exercise in efficiency gains not the slash and burn LibLab policy blunders that we have become used to.

Yes some of the quangos were merged and not simply binned. Thats because there function is necessary!! The difference is they do not need to operate independently.
By merging some bodies with appropriate partners savings can be made on central admin costs and overheads while not compromising the impact of the organisation!!

It is simple common sense - I trust that SOME people on here will reread the article and their comments once they have located their common sense!!

Their seems to be a mindset prevalent on these pages that the Scottish Government is not capable of acheiving results!! Well I for one will accept and recognise achievement whoever delivers for Scotland - even if it's the Numpty coalition!!

Although the chances of that happening are slim!!
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TGMG,

31/01/2008 09:19:25
Ho hum - I hardly bothered to read the article - one look at the headlines and i knew it was just the usual politically slanted stuff.
Glad to say I don't buy the Scotsman any more... just have a quick look on line....
No I am not one of the habitual posters.... just an ordinary member of the public..... getting a bit bored now.

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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 09:21:17
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Glasgow is the murder capital of Western Europe. Drugs, murder, street gangs. It is a toilet of a city.

You must be a labour councillor with that lovely how-dp-you-do-let's-love-everyone-they're-misunderstood clap trap.
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Karin M,

31/01/2008 09:21:29
All these quangos were created by labour. So wendy alexander is arguing that not enough of them have been cut. Answer me this why did labour set them up in the first place if they dont think they should be there. Now that is a waste of public money by labour.
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AJ Fife,

31/01/2008 09:24:26
More effective and welcome governance by the SNP govt! It's getting better all the time!

Is it jist me or is AM2 starting to become abusive in its/his/their posts?
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Dawn of the dead,

31/01/2008 09:25:00
GLASGOW IS A TOILET.

QUANGOS ARE TOILETS

THE SNP ARE TOILETS

LABOUR ARE TOILETS

Time to flush them ALL away.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:27:23
#71, Duncan in Edinburgh - "for once"? Care to provide another example, Duncan dear? Or is your recourse in an argument to try and besmirch without grounding, in the hope it gives an advantage? How pathetic.

The reason I ask you this now, is that it's the first time I've noticed you posting since the announcement was made the other day. The question as to whether they are anti-Edibnburgh would seem an easy one to me, but if you don't want to answer it...

#74, Dawn of the dead - A Labour Councillor? Oh dear, is that the best you can muster? Still ne reason for your insecure vitriol I notice. Fine fine.
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Flash67,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 09:28:15
Unbelievable the hypocrisy of Wendy Alexander - which party was in 'power' in Scotland for the last 40 years or so and CREATED all these quangos and jobs in the first place. Now we see the farcial sight of this ineffectual woman, supposedly the leader of a socialist party, condeming Alex Salmond for not making enough of the people HER PARTY employed in the first place, redundant! My mind boggles at the gallus-nes of that numpty!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:28:50
#72 Given that the vast majority of these mergers which you so fulsomely support were put in place by the previous Executive, I'm afraid your post has neither logic nor relevance. If you're looking for a slash and burn blunder, look at the SNP's handling of SportScotland - derided and promised to be culled in May, and by December embraced and supported. That's what I call a blunder.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:31:23
#78 And again, you fail to address my point. Swinney did not stop the relocation policy. Therefore any suggestion that he has made the SNP look less anti-Edinburgh is baseless. Did you understand that? You might want to go back to the start of this comment and read it again.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 09:33:51
66
You are of course correct, and its hardly rocket science is it ? What I find amusing is that Labours supporters are quite proud to declare to the world that they cannot understand simple logical deduction!
Even if we give them the benefit of any doubt that might have existed:-

There are ONLY two possibilities here :

1) The mergers do save money and are worth doing.

2) We have achieved precious little, and still have the same mess, as existed under Labour !

Irrespective of which you go with, it makes the Unionists (as usual), look like a Sale of Dumplings!

I am more convinced now than ever that independence will happen,if for no other reason,because of the level of absolute numptiness that most Labour supporters display ,and are proud of !

If they cannot see why they look like a bunch of ******(take your pick of derogatory remarks ,it makes little difference),
do you suppose it has it occurred to them that it only serves to reinforce those who would claim that they are!

I'm curious to see which of them can even follow this,and the responses should be a good laugh!
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German Salami (Sliced),

31/01/2008 09:35:58
The SNP create a great many quangos too. The reason is simple, politicians and the SNP are not in the business of managing risks for Scotland. They are in the business of avoiding risks to their personal careers.

A quango is a lovely wee way to avoid being on the record or documented as actually having made a decision. When it goes wrong blame the quango, or even better set up a new one and call it a taskforce.

So what if helping the SNP avoid taking decisions or being held accountable for their broken promises is excruciatingly inefficient and expensive. It's our money.
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:37:11
Duncan - a simple question: Will less jobs leave here now, or if Labout were still in power?

btw - how is our council supposed to spend money on the city when the vaults are strangely bare? How come this was only revealed when the last admin. got ousted? What have they been doing with the money?
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Alan B,

31/01/2008 09:37:22
Labour has again got itself in a mess over this. It says that snp have not cut far enough, but they ran this system for the last 10yrs.

Wether the snp deliver or not should be seen over the period of the parliament. Personally without fiscal autonomy much of it is meaningless. If you are going to save wasted money it makes sense that u can stop taxing the population as much for that wasted tax. Fiscal autonomy will also make governments justify the money they raise and spend on our behalf.

The only point in this is to release money for other spending. As such it is more about more value for money or targetting spending in key areas.


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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:38:07
#78

Alisdair, forget about getting much sense out of Duncan, he is as slippery as a sh*thouse rat - ask him a direct question and he'll tell you the price of bread in Azherbijhan.

Claims that the SNP are engaging in smoke and mirrors are baseless fantasies. They have cut a substantaial amount of quangos. They have created new agencies like the ones in charge of the commonwealth games or reviewing broadcasting. These are not permanent quangos and labour know it.

As any business person knows if you merge companies you gain efficiencies. The same principles apply with quangos. The fact that labourites cannot get their head around this concept is somewhat illuminating - it clearly shows that they have a big state mentality which is more concerned with preserving the jobs for the boys as oppossed to producing better and more cost effective outcomes for the public.

SNP = LEAN GOVERNMENT, GOOD POLICY OUTCOMES

LABOUR = SELF PRESERVATION (and the them asking what a policy outcome is)

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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 09:38:50
Oh, and by the way, I'm still waiting on your explanation for the "for once" in your earlier post.

Got any back-up to that, or are you talking sh!t? That's another simple question, btw.
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Carlung,

31/01/2008 09:45:18
*70 - How right you are!
Glasgow is the murder capital of Western Europe. Drugs, murder, street gangs. It is a toilet of a city. Spawned and nurtured for generations by the Stalinist Labour mafia
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:47:19
#84 Thanks for that open goal. Edinburgh's economy is booming as a result of Labour policies. Growth is predicted to continue in double digits. Edinburgh has already paid out more than £800 million from its business rates to fund projects elsewhere in Scotland - incidentally more than paying for the overdue investments in public transport which the SNP nonetheless tried to block.

The Edinburgh job market is buoyant, and the public body relocation policy has had negligible effect on it. In the case of SNH, the loss of fewer than 100 jobs was already compensated for by new job opportunities long before the political discussion was completed.

The measure of job availability in Edinburgh is largely unaffected by who is in power in Holyrood, and so the answer to your first question is that there will be little difference.

As to this issue of the so-called funding black hole in Edinburgh, it is an invention. The Lib-Dem/SNP coalition of the unwilling that is currently running down the city made almost every possible mistake in their first six months, and that included the monumental one of allowing departmental heads to inflate their budgets without recourse to the elected administration. The council's finances were very well managed up to May 2007, but since then they have been barely understood. Talk of financial holes are a political smokescreen to hide Lib Dem and SNP incompetence.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

31/01/2008 09:49:00
#87 "for once" was a reference to your regular tendency to play the man instead of the ball in arguments. You're still doing it. You haven't yet addressed my original argument, only myself.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:51:43
All this anti-weegie stuff is a little infantile is it not?

At least weegie neds have the good grace to keep their violence to themselves.

I have seen more violence in Edinburgh than Glasgow and I witnessed as many unsightly neds in Edinburgh as in the weeg too.

There is something a little bit disturbing about a walk down Lothian Road at night.

Also people that finish each sentence with a qualifier such as 'like', 'likes' or 'likes -ay' can only be regarded as East Coast dimwhit soapdodgers, likes.
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Harbinger,

Wales 31/01/2008 09:52:14
Labour did the same thing here, bonfire of the quangos, took them under the direct control of the Assembly. So no more Quasi, just Governmental Organisations.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisvegas 31/01/2008 09:54:35
#89 - wrong!

Edinburgh's economy has boomed at the same time as virtually every other city, region or countries economy has through this unprecedented era of global economic growth.

I guess we can all thank Labour for that?!

LOL
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Ananurhing,

31/01/2008 10:01:34
68# Oscar.

Jackie the Hut. Haha.....hilarious!

This is getting tedious. The usual unionist trolls, howling in the wilderness, in denial of the truth that the political landscape in Scotland has changed for ever. Constant mud slinging with nothing positive or constructive to say. Your lack of imagination is laid bare for all to see. Change your tune to something relevant, or just fade away please.

May the fourth be with you.
That'd be a great name for the new bridge!
May the fourth bridge! The day Scottish politics crossed the Rubicon.
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Doh,

31/01/2008 10:05:43
#89 Duncan

You said

"As to this issue of the so-called funding black hole in Edinburgh, it is an invention."

No it is a reported fact, there has been an official council report detailing the overspend of the last Labour administration. Also please note that the Labour administration also "run down" the Council's funds to record low levels - in an election year.

Labour cynicism at its best.

Maybe we could commission Labour Councillor Perry to lead a "Managment Change Task Force" for say £40K to look into this whole issue of Labour fiscal deception?
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:07:08
86

Congratulations Dougie,

That just about puts it in a nutshell,but dont expect them to agree with you.They would have to be able to understand it first!

Very eloquently done though if I might say so.
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Fat wee 'eck and his jobbie policies,

31/01/2008 10:09:21
Another broken promise.

The SNP will be finished come voting time. They have no credibility left.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:14:19
89

The current council inherited a deficit from the previous council.Theres no where else it could have come from !

You forget perhaps the position of the former Labour deputy leader who is now the SNP group leader.One thing that the SNP will NOT be lacking is inside information!

In any case the Lib Dem/ SNP council has not been in long enough to be responsible and you are disingenuous for suggesting that its even possible (or an idiot if you genuinely thought it was so).

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:19:15
95

Good Morning Doh!

Apart from anything else he should realise that if we are in agreement (and lets face it ,it does not happen often) then there must be a reason for it. Im sure he does not believe what he claims,he just thinks that there will be people daft enough to believe him.
I think their numbers grow fewer !

You can rest assured when Jenny Dawe agrees with the SNP then we are both correct!On that there can be no doubt!
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 31/01/2008 10:19:18
‘Blaze of the quangos’ will cut total by a quarter

DOUGLAS FRASER, Scottish Political Editor

Scotland's quangos face their most ambitious cull ever after Alex Salmond set out plans to merge several smaller government agencies and cut the total number by more than one-quarter.
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Fat wee 'eck and his jobbie policies,

31/01/2008 10:23:05
102

You are typical of the SNP inteligence. Your reading skills are appaulling.

..."WILL" cut... future tense in the headline gives you the clue.

And we all know what the SNP do with promises. Feck all.

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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 31/01/2008 10:23:37
#99

Lothian Road eloquence
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Alasdair,

31/01/2008 10:24:39
Duncan - what a poor strawman of a deflection.
"Edinburgh's economy is booming"? So?
Tell me, Duncan, wh