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Published Date: 09 October 2008
(So claims SNP's Chris Harvie)
A NATIONALIST MSP yesterday branded popular children's programme Blue Peter "evil" and praised Adolf Hitler for being "imaginative".

Professor Christopher Harvie, a list MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife and well-known academic historian, made his c
omments during a debate on Scottish broadcasting yesterday in Holyrood.

His remarks have been described as "loopy" and fuelled claims about how "out of touch" some Nationalist MSPs are.

This is not the first time Prof Harvie has courted controversy. Earlier this year, he described Lockerbie as "a dump" and castigated Scottish youths for sporting "what must be the ugliest clothes worn by anyone on the entire continent".

Last night, however, Prof Harvie claimed his comments in the debate had been taken out of context. During his speech, he also described BBC bosses as "munchkins".

He criticised a rise in "huge bonuses" for celebrities such as Jonathan Ross and Jeremy Clarkson and complained "peanuts" were left for academics.

Prof Harvie added: "This has not been accompanied by an increase in honesty, objectivity and respect for its audience. Just think of the evil-doing of Blue Peter."

He offered no further explanation, but went on to mention Adolf Hitler and BBC founder Lord Reith. "Colonel John Reith of the BBC grasped radio's capacity to inform, educate and entertain. Adolf Hitler saw it as a rabble-rouser," he said.

"Of the two, Hitler was actually the more imaginative because German broadcasting didn't even exist at that point."

And he warned the shape of broadcasting had to change, turning his fire on the industry regulator Ofcom.

"To leave Scotland in the hands of the present metropolitan munchkins of Ofcom and the BBC is like leaving one's parents watching daytime TV."

Speaking to The Scotsman, Prof Harvie pointed out his apparent praise for Hilter's imagination had been accompanied by describing the dictator as "a crazy racist".

He said he was simply highlighting the historical fact that Hitler introduced widespread use of the radio to Germany.

He added: "These people have just taken jests I made completely out of context.

"My reference to Blue Peter was simply to them fixing a competition in 2007. Here's one I fixed earlier, sort of thing."

And he was unrepentant about his criticism of the BBC, which he went on to describe as "sinister".

He added: "They treat themselves as members of a corporation rather than that something that is supposed to provide a public service."

Prof Harvie's comments received a mixed response from political opponents.

Margaret Smith, a Lib Dem MSP, told the chamber: "Today's was an interesting contribution. One could only guess what Adolf would have done if he had access to sticky-back plastic."

Her party's chief whip, Mike Rumbles, said: "Scotland deserves better from its elected representatives and this just shows how loopy and out of touch some of the SNP MSPs really are."

However, Prof Harvie won some support from Tory Ted Brocklebank. He said: "I agreed with a lot of Chris Harvie's entertaining contribution."





The full article contains 514 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 01:00:09
Mike Rumbles. Yes, I bet he does.
2

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:07:44
anyone else remember when the Scotsman was a decent newspaper?
3

Robbie 2,

NZ 09/10/2008 01:24:09
David Maddox’s article demonstrates the phrase 'Out of Context' extremely well. If he intended showing how a journalist can mischievously give an entirely false impression of a person’s remakes he is to be congratulated on a job well done!!.
4

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:28:33
Talking about 'loopiness'; 'Margaret Smith, a Lib Dem MSP, told the chamber: "Today's was an interesting contribution. One could only guess what Adolf would have done if he had access to sticky-back plastic."'

eh?!
5

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/10/2008 01:29:21
Is that "Nutty Professor" Christopher Harvie for real?

When a politician makes public pronouncements he or she has to suffer the repercussions because they will be taken out of context, OF COURSE.

It is part of the charm of being a vile politician and since they are mostly lawyers, except for this one, they are the lowest of the low.
6

Keren, It's time,

09/10/2008 01:51:08
He is slightly nuts - he'll be dumped in time for the list rankings in 2011 dinnae worry...
7

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 09/10/2008 02:27:59
Actually there is more than a grain of truth in what Harvie is saying,

The BBC are so out of touch with the public they are paid to serve it is beyond a joke.

Blue Peter - organising phone ins then scamming the kids , thats pretty evil in my book.

And Hitler ? He wanted a united Europe with Germany leading it, now take another look at the EU.
8

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 06:10:56
It's not funny, it's not clever and Mr Harvie is not 'a character', he shames us all. To think that the largest party in our parliament thinks it acceptable to foist this malicious old goat on to the people of Scotland. Remeber nobody voted for this latterday Enoch Powell and shameless publicity-seeker, he was sneaked in through the lists by SNP part hacks.
I hope they are pleased with themselves.
9

donald,

glasgow 09/10/2008 07:33:03
Many a true jest is spoken in words.

What a mess the Brit Nats find themselves in supporting Ein Reich. Ein Volk Ein Fhurer. Hitler also promised to take away the Brutish Empire, as well found a United Europe.
10

Rufus T. Firefly,

09/10/2008 07:37:31
This would never happen in Norway.

In their Parliament they sit with giant calculators and work out how much money their Oil Fund has made them today.
11

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 07:43:45
10.
Is that a nationalist finally admitting that nationalism of whatever persuasion is deeply flawed and a dangerous thing?
If so, may I be the first to heartily agree?
Say no to nationalism in whatever guise it appears. No good will ever come of it, and it always seems to spawn a particularly virulent strain of bigotry and grievance.
12

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09/10/2008 07:53:03
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AngelaFraser,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 07:59:16
I think this muddle of an article is what happens if you print Labour press releases without a shred of fact-checking:

Snipe at Nats with out-of-context quoting? Check!
Snipe at Tories for expressing support? Check!
Swipe at LibDems for being unable to stick two sentences together? Check!
Snipe at... Oh, wait!

The Blue Peter thing obviously refers to Ofcom fining the BBC for rigged phone-in polls and running fake competitions in connection with the show sometime last year. Which the Prof must have expected his colleagues and the press to knwow. Though considering the quality of the opposition at Holyrood and of this paper's hacks, I'm not surprised that they didn't.
14

Bruce's spider,

09/10/2008 08:02:23
Couldn't disagree with you more Grahamski #9 & #12 Don't you recognise the Scotsman spinning a story out of nothing here? as a previous poster has remarked, if you actually look at what Harvie has said the words "Out of Context" readily spring to mind. At worse Harvie is a gadfly but he that doesn't mean he should be shouted down every time he opens his mouth just because not everyone agrees witn him. Nationalism a bad thing? I suppose it is if you are talking about the chest thumping, flag waving sort that causes armies to march but then there are many different types of nationalism not just the right wing fanatical sort that you refer to.
15

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/10/2008 08:11:25
The problem the SNP have is that as they gain seats they run out of moderate sensible Nats to use and the luny fringe come into play.
16

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 08:17:25
16
I take your point (up to a point). The Scotsman, quite properly, allowed Mr Harvie the chance to explain himself which he does with some success. Having said that, it still beggars belief that a man of Mr Harvie's experience would joke about Hitler. As I said, it's just not funny.
His other remarks are typical of the self-serving publicity-seeking 'academic' which Britain throws up now and again. These people seem to specialise in a sneering tilt at popular icons followed by a snide elitist dénouement.
If this clown had stood for our parliament as himself rather than as 'Alex Salmond for First Minister' I rather suspect we wouldn't be having this discussion.
17

Douglas,

Bathgate 09/10/2008 08:25:00
#18 Grahamski: Had Harvie been the first to joke about Hitler then a sharp intake of breath may have been in order.
Maybe some people just need to get out more?
18

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 08:25:57
Every political party has it's eccentrics, although some have more eccentric than others!
19

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 08:29:07
The anti-nat crowd having a serious absence of a sense of humour this morning, I see.
20

Boy Wonder,

09/10/2008 08:29:09
Yes, it appears the SNP govt also has its numpties ... and Harvie, Rumbles and MacAskill are the 3 Stooges Ech has to get rid of!
21

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 08:37:08
This is such a daft story. It will be interesting to see just how many of the usual ant-nat crowd turn up to express mock outrage about.
22

Salmond Rushdie,

09/10/2008 08:40:31
It is the people of Scotland who call the shots.

We should start a national campaign to rid the parliament of idiots like Harvie.

He's a national disgrace. For anyone on hear to say that the Scotsman has taken this 'out of context' needs their heads examined. Harvie obviously made some reference to Hitler. Why does any current day politician have to make any reference to Hitler?

Kick these monkeys out.
23

Bruce's spider,

09/10/2008 08:51:36
What would you prefer Salmon Rushdie #24 that no one mentions Hitler and we act as though he never existed? that is a far more dangerous notion than anything that someone like Harvie could dream up. You'll be getting your own name in headlines in the Murdoch Press if you keep spouting ideas like that.
24

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 08:58:41
People at the BBC "treat themselves as members of a corporation" says Chris Harvie.

That's the British Broadcasting Corporation you're talking about then?

Aye.
25

Fairfax,

09/10/2008 09:00:40
Article: "During his speech, he also described BBC bosses as "munchkins"."

But is this a compliment or an insult? The munchkins are goodies in the Wizard of Oz, providing essential help to Dorothy, although they're short, pathetic, and unable to deal with evil witches. They're hobbits with yellow brick roads.
26

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09/10/2008 09:01:00
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Venachar,

09/10/2008 09:04:52
Most people do think that Jonathon Ross's salary is ridiculous!
Hilter did use the radio to rable rouse, we got Neville Chamberlain, (in the style of Rev I.M. Jolly) Hello, we have peace in our time!
If David Maddox cannot discriminate between humour, albeit not very good humour, serious debate and politics he should not be writing for this newspaper.
Oh but I forgot the date for the elections has been called in Glenrothes, time to do a bit of SNP baiting. Most people would not know or care who Chris Harvie is but David Maddox just has to tell everyone before his article starts.
28

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 09:45:56
His remarks have been described as "loopy"

Well in that case, him, MacAskill and Robison will make a good trio then, won't they?

Being a Nationalist and voting for the SNP in the hope of "freedom for Scotland" is all well and good, but please take a look at some of the bam-pots you are letting in by the back door during the process.
29

karinxxx,

09/10/2008 09:50:03
hitler hitler hitler hitler.


ooh look how scary i mentioned his name.


this is getting past ridiculous that evil man existed and to deny that he was a human being who might have occasionally done something human is to minimise what he did and attempts to imply hitler was not a man but some kind of devil that didnt have a mother or father and wasnt born but just came into existance.

Even thatcher did something good once the only thing i can think of right enough is giving people the right to buy council houses.

still look where we are now so maybe that isnt a good analogy.

To not talk about hitler or mention his name is to deny the holocaust existed.

in the same vein to minimise what he did by calling people nazis when they do not hold the same views as nazis is also to be a holocaust denier. when people do that then over time other people will stop equating hitler with nazis and the holocaust then you will allow it to happen again.


stop this idiocy now.
30

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 09/10/2008 09:50:41
This headline, which when you read the story, is really divorced from reality, shows how worried some unionists have become, especially with regard to Glenrothes, as do the comments of those unionists who actually try to give it some creadance with their support!
31

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 09:52:23
Grahamski,

your attempt to cast all SNP supporters as Nazis is pathetic. David Maddox no doubt saw the mileage to be gained from any reference to Hitler by an SNP MSP. After all, Maddox knows his audience. He frequently panders to its mock moral indignation and self-righteousness. The SNP are no more comparable to Nazis than Gordon Brown is to Stalin.

It will be no surprise that all we get of Prof. Harvie's speech is snippets, not the whole tenor of his argument. That is clearly deliberate. Chris Harvie worked in Germany for many years and perhaps is more aware of the role that media played for the Nazis than his audience. It was, perhaps, a stupid comparison for an SNP politician to make but only because he should have been aware how his comments would be taken out of context by our media.

So Grahamski, you might want to spend a little time thinking of whether you're not supporting the nefarious practices you seem to despise.
32

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 09/10/2008 10:09:31
Grahamski
After reading your constant Unionist drivel it shows how desperate the Unionists are to hang onto any scrap of propoganda to espout their out of touch views.
33

Logie Almond,

09/10/2008 10:12:54
I am not a supporter of the SNP but Christopher Harvie is that rare creature, a politician who actually has interesting ideas of his own about more than just politics. I hope he keeps on giving us things to think about and ignores this silly piece of "journalism".
34

Miss H,

09/10/2008 10:23:57
What a load of rubbish. It reminds me of the fake furoren when Kenny MacAskill referred to the English football team as the Great Satan.

Severe irony deficiency.

35

Doh,

09/10/2008 10:45:57
#28

The purpose of the LibDems should be to provide a new economic framework.

You forget Milton Keynes was a liberal.
Vince Cable is continuing in that tradition of providing good advice and direction.

Just a pity that idiots like you have ignored him for so many years. You are too proud of your ignorance.
36

Doh,

09/10/2008 10:54:55

Maynard Keynes, my mistake, I need nationalised, or at least part nationalised and a bigger bonus.
37

57vintage,

Keith 09/10/2008 10:57:41
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

When anything vaguely critical of the SNP is printed, out come the hackles of the easily-offended, who have no trouble in being offensive on occasions themselves. It's a Scotsman conspiracy. The Scotsman is unionist ("onionist", oh my sides). It's all a plot to underpin Labour ("Liebour", oh my sides again) in Glenrothes.

It's news FFS - and when someone in Holyrood, Westminster or Europe representing me makes a prat of themselves, I want to know, be it Harvie, Sturgeon, Alexander, Rumbles, cameron, Broon, Wishart, Hudgton or Uncle Tom feckin Cobbley.

Paranoia paranoia paranoia.

And the list system, quasi-democratic though it may look is anti-Independents or small parties and plays in favour of the big boys, who by the look of this article and on the evidence of the callow youths who have only ever worked for the party currently struggling with the Access 3 levels of Numeracy required to balance Aberdeen Council books, fill their lists with crackpots and careerists.

There's a shop in Chambers Street selling lives - go get one.
38

hertscot,

09/10/2008 10:59:42
All Nats are definitely not nazis, but it seems there are a few too many d1ckheads.
39

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 11:09:30
ERROR MESSAGE>>>

David Maddox>>> = OUT OF CONTEXT.

David Maddox>>> = VOID OF INTLLIGENT CONTENT.

David Maddox>>> - PURGE AND DUMP.
40

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:26:59
What a disgrace to give any praise to Adolf Hitler. The SNP are a disgrace to tolerate the likes of this man! We should be particularly concerned that anyone calling themselves NATIONALISTS can say anything good about German Nationalist Adolf Hitler. Does Harvie also think Hitler's plan to murder Jews and Gypsies was also "intuitive vision"?
41

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:30:17
31. Margaret Thatcher did not condemn 6 Million Jews to the gas chambers! I fail to see your comparison between Mrs. Thatcher, and Adolf Hitler the most hated despotic deluded genocidal maniac of the last century.
42

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:35:45
17 "The problem the SNP have is that as they gain seats they run out of moderate sensible Nats to use and the luny fringe come into play."

That's it in a nutshel. SNP candidates are being scraped up from the bottom of the barrel. The big-mouthed idiot in Glasgow East (who was so poor a candidate that Salmond did the talking and appearances for him in the byelection) is a prime example. What that person has said (when he opened his own mouth) was straight out of the twilight zone.
43

SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 11:42:43
15 AngelaFraser,

Just maybe the other MSP's have better things to do than to watch Children's Television.

No matter how much you and the other SNP 'Professional Bloggers' attempt to excuse this one, he's a joke and his comments are off the scale. No one says nice things about Hitler. Nationalism however is Nationalism, scratch the surface and you will find a FASCIST in below.
44

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:01:24
Maddog excels again at the only real talent he has ever displayed feeding cybertrolls.

He goes from:

"He offered no further explanation, but went on to mention Adolf Hitler and BBC founder Lord Reith. "Colonel John Reith of the BBC grasped radio's capacity to inform, educate and entertain. Adolf Hitler saw it as a rabble-rouser," he said.

"Of the two, Hitler was actually the more imaginative because German broadcasting didn't even exist at that point."


TO:

"Blue Peter is evil, Hitler was imaginative and BBC bosses are munchkins"

What a grubby excuse for a political journalistic whoore.
45

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:13:26
Are we now supposed to stop supporting the SNP?
46

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:19:30
This comment may have already been made, but this "story" was being covered in much the same way on Radio Scotland's GMC this morning.

I wonder if SLAB had anything to do with the spinning?
47

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:19:54
Sorry

GMC = GMS
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09/10/2008 12:21:02
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:21:31
#9 Grahamski

And what exactly has got your dander up?
50

Lianachan,

Highlands 09/10/2008 12:22:29
I can't find anything on this (alleged) news site about the disgraceful lack of recognition of veterans of the arctic russian convoys of WW2, which has come from successive UK governments. Other news sites are featuring this story quite prominently.

We get worthless anti-Scottish drivel like the article above, but not a proper Scottish story like the one I mentioned? Pah.
51

danbob,

09/10/2008 12:25:15
Before everybody gets all upset and start taking nationalist or unionist sides why not take a closer look at what he has said. Also bear in mind that newspapers are not traditionally the best guides to honesty. Describing Lockerbie as a dump is silly. He clearly does not know what a real dump of a town is like. Lockerbie in my eyes certainly does not fit that bill. Scottish youths sporting the ugliest clothes. I think he has a point. Scotland is not exactly fashion house of the year is it. His views on the BBC are quite acceptable. Johnathan Ross and that other cretinous object from Rotherham, Clarkson. Are they really worth what their paid? His views on Blue Peter are a little bizarre but I can see what he is getting at. Then we come to Hitler. Put aside the war and the Holocaust which were acts of pure evil. Focus on Hitlers building of German infastructure, Autobahns, railways and broadcasting organisations, and the mad professor suddenly stops looking quite so mad after all. Perhaps though if he wants to be a successful politician a few lessons in diplomacy wouldn't go amiss.
52

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 12:31:08
#26 Duncan

Being a little bit dishonest by curtailing the quote there dunc:

Here is the quote in full:

"They treat themselves as members of a corporation RATHER THAN that something that is supposed to provide a public service." [My capitals].

Which is a world away from your:

"treat themselves as members of a corporation"

I can't decide whether you are genuinely not clever enough to understand the difference or you simply lie to suit your ends.

I will let others judge.
53

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:35:16
55

Look at the context of the quote on Hitler again he isnt saying he thinks Hitler is imaginative at all he is simply comparing Hitler to the unimaginative Lord Reith.
54

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/10/2008 12:46:45
#57

Yep I always use Hitler as an example to aspire to.
55

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 12:46:57
#44 SNP hypocrisy,

Chris Harvie did not praise Adolf Hitler and, by extension, would not - as you ridiculously suggest - therefore think the murder of jews was acceptable. Are you suggesting that we can have no rational discussion of what the Nazis did at all? It may just be that the reason they manipulated the populace so well was based on their ability to control the media and use it in new ways.

Clearly, you only want to pounce on the comment - as David Maddox did - and draw the absurd conclusion from this that all SNP supporters are Nazis. Where does that leave you? Tarring everyone with the same brush and forcing them into a category you've already decided...is that reasonable do you think?

I've voted SNP for many years not because I am a facist. I'm not, despite your rant. I simply believe that Scotland would be better if voters here could decide our own future by having greater control over the decision-making process. That's not exactly fascist, is it?

You are typical of the unionist mind set (particularly in Labour) who brand others racists to end debate. Can I remind you the debate is about television. And you may like to look up the following on the Reductio ad Hitlerum and Godwin's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Perhaps, like Grahamski, you might want to think about your tactics and whether or not they undermine the values you claim to uphold.
56

danbob,

09/10/2008 12:49:09
57# Yes I take your point.
57

Puling Prince Roman,

Under my blanket 09/10/2008 12:52:43
The "Hootsdross" death wish.

Chapter 497.
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09/10/2008 12:53:04
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Puling Prince Roman,

Hiding 09/10/2008 13:05:14
A high-profile Scottish political commentator today boasted of performing sex acts with Scottish children. His staggering assertion was made in an article about SNP MSP Chris Harvie.

Pulling random words from the article in no particular order, the following mind-boggling sentence could be read:

"I... touched... Scottish youths... with... my... sort of thing"

Confronted with the evidence of his paedophilia, Son of Beppo, the Performing Monkey fell to his knees, whimpering: "It's no ma fault. Wir jist desperate... Wir desperate. We'll publish anything"
60

Shave,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:10:24
'Academic' says something stupid shock!

This would be a complete non-story had he not been representing the people of Mid Scotland and Fife in Parliament. Or was he just representing himself:-

"Peanuts" were left for academics, said Professor Harvie.
61

John south of Soutra,

09/10/2008 13:11:03
Boy Wonder please explain how Salmond will be able to get rid of Rumbles when he is a LibDem, try and at least get your facts right
62

Arfur,

09/10/2008 13:12:16
described Lockerbie as "a dump" - it is.

castigated Scottish youths for sporting "what must be the ugliest clothes worn by anyone on the entire continent" - they are.

described BBC bosses as "munchkins" - they are.

He criticised a rise in "huge bonuses" for celebrities such as Jonathan Ross and Jeremy Clarkson and complained "peanuts" were left for academics - this is bad why???????

branded popular children's programme Blue Peter "evil" - is scamming kids no longer deemed evil????

Hitler introduced widespread use of the radio to Germany - the guy might of been a complete nutter that killed millions but even a nutter can be forward thinking.

Saddly this is the kind of tosh that we have to put up with from this rag every day.

Hootsman editor - if you want to stop the rot you need to get rid of jokers like David Maddox as soon as possible.


63

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:20:13
58

Thats understandable. In your case I have no doubt he is a step up.
64

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:22:23
67

Tommorrows headline "CYBERNAT DECLARES HITLER A STEP UP FROM US ALL"
65

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 13:35:00
69

It doesnt matter what NAT MSPs say as far as propaganda sheets such as this rag is concerned it will be taken out of context or completely misquoted altogether and allow the party polical trolls such as yourself the feed in which to engorge yourself with.
66

Scottish Girl,

edinburgh 09/10/2008 13:48:23
One of the funniest things I have read in ages.....what a wally.
67

The_Reiver,

09/10/2008 13:48:28
Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Salmond,

Wiederswingen mit dem SNP,

Seig Heil!
68

Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 13:51:22
#56 I may have been being a little cheeky, but I absolutely deny that I was in any way dishonest. I quoted a complete phrase, not carefully culled words. My simple point was that the BBC *is* a corporation, and it was hardly earth-shattering for me to point it out.

As it happens, I think Chris Harvie is one of the more sensible SNP MSPs, and I think he adds a great deal to Holyrood. Unfortunately he is largely out of step with his party leadership, which is why he languishes on the back benches. This story is just froth, and I'm sure he is glad of the exposure.
69

Puling Prince Roman,

still hiding... 09/10/2008 13:53:22
In a further shocking revelation, Son of Beppo, the Performing Monkey, provided the nation with theappalling details of his disgusting sexual practices. The revelations came in an article ostensibly about Scottish politics:

"First... I ...like...to...have...a dump...while...sporting...sticky-back plastic...and...the...clothes worn by...Adolf Hitler," he said. "Then...mixed...with...a lot of...peanuts...I...describe...it...as...my...'Munchkins'"

Asked for his views on the matter, SNP MSP Chris Harvie commented: "This Son of Beppo dude is one sick, sick, puppy."
70

sam the god,

09/10/2008 13:53:54
fair comment cannot see anything wrong with that
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Scotsman in Dublin,

09/10/2008 13:55:18
What a joke. Comments taken out of context and twisted to suit the newspapers political aims.

The unionist obsession with trying to associate the SNP with Hitler is getting tired and old. If you read the headline and first few lines you get a completely skewed impression of what the guy actually said. The Blue Peter ref was a joke referring to the competition fix and the Hitler ref was a comment related to the use of radio, which he followed up by saying Hitler was a "Crazy Racist".

Come on NorthBritishman up the game a little please.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 09/10/2008 13:59:31
Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of this article.

Well done, Scotsman.
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09/10/2008 14:21:47
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09/10/2008 14:26:25
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Puling Prince Roman,

...still hiding... 09/10/2008 14:34:14
#79

That is without doubt the cleverest post I have ever seen on the Hootsdross website. You should be writing for "The Dross" yourself.

Actually, you probably are.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/10/2008 14:36:04
78
Here's something out of the ordinary. A cybernat misquotes and lies to score cheap political points, that'll be a first....
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 14:57:11
#73 duncan

You may have quoted a complete phrase, which of course is not a sentence. Now I wonder why you did not quote the complete sentence??

Lies by omission are still lies dunc.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

09/10/2008 14:59:24
#83 Very gracious of you. My point still stands even against the whole sentence. And it was a very minor point. And I have expressed admiration for an SNP MSP. And yet your attitude still stinks. Why am I surprised?
79

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 14:59:48
#81 sm753

"I hope you're not planning any trips to Germany or Austria soon, you've just broken their laws, they can read that stuff there and you could be picked up at the airport."

The lunatic is in charge of the asylum again.
80

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 15:01:11
On the strength of this unbiased article, I will be resigning my membership of the SNP forthwith.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 15:06:05
What possessed Maddox and the Scotsman to print such a twisted article when there are many more newsworthy stories about just now?

Circulation figures take another dive.....

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European Scot,

09/10/2008 15:56:39
73 Duncan in Edinburgh

A very honest assessment, and coming from you, dare I say it as a 'Nationalist', very refreshing !
However, the BBC is a little bit more than just a corporation, if one considers that organisation, and its raison d'etre, within the context of the British State.
They are very much the mouthpiece, and supporter of that State.
They have also earned their title 'EBC', being incredibly South East, Anglo centric.
As for Chris Harvie, as you correctly point out the story is froth.
Also, as the 'Scotsman in Dublin' states, again correctly, the comments that were made were quoted out of context.
It's not Adolf Hitler that should have been quoted here in relation to 'the Scotsman', and this dreadful article by Maddox, but more Joseph Goebbels.
83

Lianachan,

Highlands 09/10/2008 15:57:10
#88 It just helps to demonstrate how low some staunch unionists and, in fact, this "news"paper will stoop in their pathetic attempts to discredit the SNP at all costs.
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The Master,

09/10/2008 16:07:19
Following the fuss over Dear Leader's admiration for Thatcher's economic policies, you'd think any nationalist politician with an ounce of savvy would know better than to express admiration for the most notorious nationalist politician in world history.

This remark may have been taken out of context, but I think senior Nats should have learnt by now that they should be extremely wary of tainting their modernised brand of "inclusive civic nationalism" by association.
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guenevere,

09/10/2008 16:20:32
First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here? Tick! Tock!
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European Scot,

09/10/2008 16:32:16
91 The Master

" This remark may have been taken out of context, but I think senior Nats should have learnt by now that they should be extremely wary of tainting their modernised brand of "inclusive civic nationalism" by association."

The only people guilty of 'tainting by association'. are those who use the word 'Natz'.
As far as I am aware, that would be exclusively, a certain type of 'Unionist'.
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Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 17:03:08
Ah! Bless! The Rabid Rebuttal Farce (RRF) are in action again!"

What WOULD the Labour Party do without their ability to spin, lie, obfuscate and be nasty creeps?

Win elections, that's what. So when will Labour seriously start winning elections?

Some time within the next 20 years, at the current success rate of the RRF...
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 17:12:29
#34:

I absolutely 100% agree about stupid labour incompetence. The stupid (new) labour government should never have happened in the first place and whilst they have been in power, they have caused untold damage to the UK as a whole.

I also agree that certain Tories could do better. Archer comes to mind here more than Boris. I like Boris. He gives the impression of being a bumbling fool sometimes but as his past TV appearances in high-brow programs have shown, he is far from being one.

I (possibly wrongly) supposed that the SNP stood for the freedom of Scotland and the People of Scotland, so when they came to power, I was actually quite pleased. However it quickly became apparent that not only were they prepared to continue with stupid labour policy, they were prepared to try to extend it by ridiculous measures.

All I can say at this point (in light of MacAskill's and Robison's latest fascist suggestions) is that thank f**k we have the Westminster government to protect us from them in at least some measure. I know that there are bad politicians in all walks of life but I will never, repeat NEVER back indenpendance or anything like it whilst we have fascists like Robison and MacAskill anywhere near the corridors of power.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:13:17
Let's look at the facts. The SNP's man has spent a long time teaching in Germany, and seems to have acquired some admiration for the Fuhrer.

As well as this he wrote an interesting article entitled 'Twilight of the gods' (is it just me that is hearing Wagner playing at this point?)

It seems that no matter what the SNP do and no outrageous it may be, the little Natz on this board (from the comfort of their rooms at their mummy's house) will excuse and condone even praise for the most hated Nationalist in history. They turn their venom on this paper but the stroy is in fact widely reported across the media.

There is nothing good can be said about Adolf Hitler. The Autobahns were in order to get his armies to the East, his trains ran on time but only to the local concentration camps.

Harvie ought to be suspended from the Parliament, and asked to explain his admiration for Hitler.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:14:30
92 guenevere, "First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here?"

Indeed guenevere, how long before Herr Salmonella appears in a brown-shirt?
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:23:00
92 guenevere, "First the thatcher gaff then the hitler gaff,do I detect a pattern here?"

Given the "Thatcher gaff" was Salmond commenting on Scots rejection of Thatcherm, and the "Hitler gaff" is just a statement that evil can be imaginative, I also see a pattern.

The pattern is of tediously negative, desperate and panicking unionists twitching and writhing over any anti-SNP slanted story, in the pathetic belief that people care about their froth and spin more than they do about substantive issues facing our country.

Gaffs, or catastrophic errors, might include illegal wars, Northern Rock, loss of half the countries' private data, cutting millionnaires inheritance tax while upping tax on the poorest...

But do by all means carry on with your hysterical and self satisfied gaff-detection - - it just shows up the unionists for the rather desperate, negative, spin obsessed force they are, with nothing of substance to offer.
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:25:13
97. Prime example of unionist contribution to debate - while New Labour collaborate with illegal rendition, illegal wars, detention of children at Dungavel and nuclear proliferation, the high minded unionist argument deals with infantile tedium like this.

And the unionists still wonder why the SNP won last year and are massively popular still?
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:27:18
99. Actually the SNP didn't win last year with just 47 out of 129 MSP's and 184,000 votes declared void - they never came close to winning.
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 17:27:37
And the real issue is the BBC are failing Scotland.

BBC national news is International and English news. Cannot see anyother way that having a separate Scottish news. Hopefully that would not be as parocial as the BBC news is at the moment.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:30:13
101. They do! It's called Reporting Scotland. Are you even Scottish? Doesn't sound like it. You sound more like one of those wannabe Scots who post SNP garbage here from several thousand miles away. Now if you think that the news should only report Scottish news and turn a blind eye to the rest of the UK and the world, then you are a complete fool.
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A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 09/10/2008 17:31:41
SNP Hypocrisy, get a life young man. You actually know that the whole article was tongue in cheek, Harvie just didnt convey his meaning well, and every poster on here knows what he meant.

When we forget the likes of Hitler then theres more likely someone of his ilk will run the world.

Gordon Browns heroine Maggie Thatcher sunk the Belgrano and killed over two thousand young Argetinians. Does that mean Brown admires the murderess.

Ouch that probably hurt a bit EH. Get sense ya halfwit.

and stop posting craap for your london masters. Yer a hoor.
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 17:31:41
#100 SNP hypocrisy

What are you talking about? They won as they became the biggest party and then formed a government. They did not have an outright majority but then you are unlikely to have in a PR system and no government in the scottish parliament so far has.

Only one time since ww2 has one party won an majority of those that voted in an election (general) and that was the unionist party in the 50s.

So by your own definition noone wins an election. They do not win and then form a government.

In the last general election labour lost the popular vote in England and still got more seats. That is acutally losing an election but still winning. Bit like Bush was accused of in the first election he won.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:34:59
104. No they did not win. 184,000 votes were not counted. Further they did not form a government - since they did not stand on the tickets stating they were to be a government - they changed the rules after they got it. There should have been an immediate reelection over the 184,000 voided votes AND the fact that Salmond had his name on EVERY SINGLE ballot sheet - making it appear as though he was the candidate everywhere. It was a disgrace and in no way did the SNP win that election.
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:35:12
100. LOL - gather round and observe post 100: a classic example of bitter, dispirited unionist denial, still re-litigating their defeat last year. They accept Labour won an election on a minority share of the vote (as they accept the last 40 years of UK election results on same basis) but still squeal their illogical bile here about losing to the SNP.

The SNP are the government. The SNP are the largest party of local government in Scotland. The SNP have commanding leads in polls now. The SNP just won Glasgow East in a seismic shift of support from Labour. Seems they "won".

And poor, sad silly, desperate unionists like you can't accept it and move on, and address real issues, and just spew silly, repetitive and vacuous denial into the ether like a latter day king Canute not noticing you are already soaked... loving it...keep up the retrospective denial, spin and negativity while the SNP keep offering a positive vision
100

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09/10/2008 17:36:30
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:37:04
105. LOL - behold the tedious, repetitive, desperate denial of unionism in all its glory! No thoughts on schooling, health, not even a vote in parliamnet from New Labour on the Scottish budget last year - just obsession with their own defeat.

No wonder people regard them as increasingly negative, retrograde and irrelevant.
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:39:34
106. No Labour are the Government.

The SNP did not stand on government tickets, at no point where the public allowed to know what the SNP were planning. The Scottish Parliament is merely a level of local government and has been since it was created - under a Labour Government - the same parliament that the SNP opposed by boycotting the Constitutioanl Convention.
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A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 09/10/2008 17:41:10
What is it with London Controlled New Labour trolls.

"101. They do! It's called Reporting Scotland. Are you even Scottish? Doesn't sound like it. You sound more like one of those wannabe Scots who post SNP garbage here from several thousand miles away. Now if you think that the news should only report Scottish news and turn a blind eye to the rest of the UK and the world, then you are a complete fool."

The guy didnt say one word about "only report Scottish News".

"You sound more like one of those wannabe Scots who post SNP garbage here from several thousand miles away."

The guy didnt say a word about being from overseas, but if he did doesnt that make this silly wee lassie a right wing New Labour Supporter Troll who is the biggest bigot on any forum ive been on. Are you BNP hen.
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09/10/2008 17:41:43
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:43:10
109. LOL - "at no point where the public allowed to know what the SNP were planning" - except for the SNP manifesto, PPBs, and 98 press conferences

Scottish Unionists - all bitterness, all negativity, all spin - all the time
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SNP hypocrisy,

09/10/2008 17:43:14
The SNP like to change topic when they have LOST! So I'll ignore the idiot and get back to the point of this.

The SNP's Harvie had no right to praise Adolf Hitler. But then, is it any real surprise when another of their MSP's is the son of an alleged Nazi War Criminal. What next, jackboots on the landing?
107

Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:47:26
113. Can evil not be imaginative? That is all Harvie said. But like a typical regressive, spinning, froth obsessed unionist, you thrash about pathetically on this, ignoring any question of substance.

What are your thoughts on new Labour cooperation with extraordinary rendition?

What are your thoughts on the human rights atrocities at Abu Graib that new Labour has associated us all with?


Scottish Unionists - all bitterness, all negativity, all spin - all the time


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09/10/2008 17:50:32
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 17:54:02
81

The point again numbnuts is he hasnt said anything!!! its all completely out of any context to the headline and nobody is going to attack anybody who says nothing no matter who that somebody is.
So no you wont see an army of Nats shouting down a Liebour MSP for saying nothing in or out of context.
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 17:56:58
115. LOL

Indeed, SNP Hyp is a prime demonstration of the shrill, spinning, pathetic and panicking face of the Brit Nat/ Scottish unionist negativity.

Personally I prefer substantive discussion on issues of importance to my country. SNP Hyp and the London-led troll brigrade just like looking back, squirming over their past defeat, and offering nothing at all for the future of Scotland. And then complaining that they didnt lose, and wondering why they are losing more and more ground each day.


Scottish Unionists - all bitterness, all negativity, all spin - all the time

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09/10/2008 18:04:05
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 09/10/2008 18:34:05
yep nothing but troll feed here.
113

Andy Mac,

09/10/2008 19:17:59
FACT: Hitler was innovative / inventive. This isn't even controversial.

FACT: The worst dressed on the continent are the young to middling aged Glaswegians who sport grubby white socks and dirty looking trackies.
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Miss H,

09/10/2008 19:22:00
113 He wasn't praising Adolf Hitler munchkin. Read what he said:

Colonel John Reith of the BBC grasped radio's capacity to inform, educate and entertain. Adolf Hitler saw it as a rabble-rouser," he said.

"Of the two, Hitler was actually the more imaginative because German broadcasting didn't even exist at that point."

If that is praising Adolf Hitler then it is praising Goebbels to say that he was adept in the use of propoganda.

Both statements are simply facts and only idiots argue with facts.




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Hubble,

09/10/2008 19:34:25
This is classic Scotsman journalism. As previous contributors have said, this article is almost the definition of "out of context".

If I were the MSP, I'd probably look for an apology from this paper, although, its frankly not worth the paper it's written on.

JPR.L: SELL.
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 19:35:18
Many of the unionists here seem to stop posting after office/call centre hours.

Under employed bankers I wonder?

Or something similar.

122
sm753

So you're not a banker then? ;-)
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Kyle N Carrick,

09/10/2008 19:50:23
122. You mentioned "Hitler" - by your own reasoning you are a muppet.

Or is the pathetic, spinning Unionist position now that Hitler, holocaust etc are never to be mentioned by any politician?

Next we wont be able to comment on new Labour's detention facility for children at Dungavel, or new Labour cooperating with rendition to send people to Guantanamo for torture, or the use of electrodes on muslims at Abu Grhaib...but so long as we don't mention Hitler I suppose the new labour unionist spin machine will be content? Given that new Labour have declared Hitler unmentionable?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/10/2008 20:21:30
Harvie's misdemeanor was not his comments. It was his naivety about how the unionist-dominated press can make a headline out of words and not the truth.

Maddox. This is truly a sad state of affairs more akin to The Daily Retard.

This story tells more about the journalist and the editor than the subject.
119

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 20:23:43
#91 I assume "dear leader" is Gordon Maggie Brown?
120

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 20:25:48
#100 I feel your pain from here.

Glenrothes will make you feel even worse. Guaranteed !
121

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/10/2008 20:30:16
#125 Andrew

Game, set and match to you sir !
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 20:33:41
SNP Hypocrisy,

It is becoming increasingly clear that you are the most suspect individual on this board. Let me say something about the Nazis that might make you more wary of labelling everyone you don't like a Nazi:

One of the things the Nazis clearly did was label people Jews. A lot of people who they labelled Jews had fought for Germany in the First World War. Others weren't even practising Jews. But the Nazis were hell bent on labelling people, forcing them into a category, and thereby proving that ALL Jews were bad.

So, if you even knew a little about history you'd realize that you are doing the same thing and that it is morally objectionable. I can only deduce from your posts that you don't much care about that, that you are happy to force the identity of Nazi onto all who you disagree with, and that although you claim to uphold values of freedom you are in fact upholding the right to the same behaviour exhibited by the Nazis. Don't you see the irony?

My girlfriend is German and tomorrow I will head off to Germany to be with her to celebrate our anniversary. I can't help feeling disgusted by your views, or get rid of the feeling that you actually take pleasure from such comparisons. If all politics is to you is branding others in this way, then perhaps your values should be of no consequence to the rest of us. I suspect Chris Harvie is a much better man that you.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 20:52:52
Will anyone reading this actually believe that Chris Harvies' comments mean that he supports Hitler? No, unless you were really, really stupid. So what does that say about all the mock-outraged on this thread?
You'd have to be dumb as hell to either believe this, or else imagine that you could actually make anyone else believe it.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 20:58:20
130, Gregor, Ich denke genau das selbe. Menschen so wie SNP Hyprocisy, sehen sie mir alle gleich aus.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 21:00:25
Richardinho,

'dumb as hell' it may be but the practice of branding those who disagree with you as Nazis is so questionable that it has to be challenged. Don't you agree?
126

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 21:16:06
Oh dear, Hoots, I feel you have inspired a song parody from me which will probably be moderated.

And like a black out of hell I'll be gone when the morning comes. (looks at gallows)

Just an observation.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 21:16:31
#133 'the practice of branding those who disagree with you as Nazis is so questionable that it has to be challenged. Don't you agree?'

yeah, but who's doing that?
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 21:32:22
136
sm753

Are you Alain Badiou?

142
Hoots

Deserted:-(
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Hubble,

09/10/2008 21:37:12
oi! Conan! I'm an investment banker - we're not all evil! Ans it doesn't take an equities analyst to work out that this article spouts more guff than Alistair Darling and Wendy Alexander's barsteward lovechild.
130

Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 21:37:51
149
Or John Noakes?

That gives a whole new meaning to "Get down Shep!"
131

Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 21:40:12
151
I didn't say bankers were evil Hubble, just merely under employed.

At this moment in time.
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 21:46:12
148

Just for you Hoots.

Valerie getting a good licking.

http://tinyurl.com/44dbne
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 21:47:35
The quotes attributed to Chris Harvie actually made better reading than Maddox's contrived story.

David, any chance of getting the full transcript published so us ABC1 readers of above average intelligence can make up our own minds?
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Hubble,

09/10/2008 21:47:35
;)

That hits the nail on the head. Although...with the markets of the last couple of months, i've been hyper employed!

If you are a betting man, you could do worse than take a punt on rbs/other solid banking stocks right now (if you are prepared to wait a couple of yrs for a return)...but one thing is certain - johnston press (JPR.L) is a must sell, although, perversely The City loves to love JPR and loves to hate Trinity Mirror group...which makes the almighty fall in their share price all the more entertaining! If I worked for the Scotsman, I'd be looking for another job.
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 09/10/2008 21:50:56
SNP Hypocrisy
Don't you just feel the pain and denial, lurve it, nothing better than a Unionist Fvd in denial
136

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 21:52:20
Wrong, Smee@154. "Listen to me" was a song by Buddy Holly. And I am Scots.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 21:54:49
Was there ever a Scots presenter on Tomorrow's World? Scary, no? British culture at its best, eh no, Smee?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 21:56:36
Richardinho,

you posted:

#133 'the practice of branding those who disagree with you as Nazis is so questionable that it has to be challenged. Don't you agree?'

yeah, but who's doing that?

I'd say that's pretty much what Grahamski and SNP Hypocrisy have been doing all day, wouldn't you?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 09/10/2008 21:57:04
Chris Harvie spent over 25 years prior to his election living and working in Germany so perhaps he has become a little out of touch with what is acceptable in today's "right on" PC Scotland. If he seems eccentric yet entertaining it paints a picture of the majority of the charlatans on the Scottish Parliament gravey train (as a senior lecturer in a german university, he probably took a pay cut to become an MSP unlike many of the jumped-up former Councillors and full-time Trade Union numpties).
140

Hubble,

09/10/2008 21:59:04
160 That is because Scots had better taste!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 22:02:07
163, Smee. Well obviously not a lot of people know this.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 22:03:36
164, Hubble. What? Too much taste to be around in the future?
143

Hubble,

09/10/2008 22:07:13
Jock - nah - Too much taste to go on tomorrow's world and stand next to that bird that looked a bit like anita roddick from the body shop.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 22:10:35
#161
The two posters that you speak of are too insignificant to warrant my attention.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 22:12:02
Smee, I'm thiking Len Deighton. Ipcress File, Funeral in Berlin or the other one.

Should have remembered that. Billion Dollar Brain.
146

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/10/2008 22:15:39
They could do a remake of the latter, starring Gordon Broon as Greasy Palmer and call it the Billion Dollar Drain.
147

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/10/2008 22:16:46
#168,

maybe that's what they're counting on.
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/10/2008 22:18:29
163

Jees, tough call sm753.

Is that the one where they brainwashed him in London?
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PL,

16/10/2008 23:30:48
News really is becoming a joke. What's wrong with saying Adolf Hitler was imaginative? Menno Meyjes says it in a film, it's ok, but anyone says it in real life and it's an abomination. But real life (or the media version of real life) is absurd. Hitler the vagrant didn't rise to the conqueror of Europe (who almost overturned modernity itself) without imagination. He rejected post-Judeo Christian society and almost created a new era. Unimaginative?!
Why is reality (according to those empowered to create it) dumb? That would make an interesting news story.

 

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