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Published Date: 29 July 2008
A SENIOR MP yesterday called for Gordon Brown to stand down as Prime Minister in the interests of the Labour Party.
Gordon Prentice, the Edinburgh-born MP for Pendle in Lancashire, said Mr Brown was a liability to the party and Labour needed a new leader.

His calls will bolster the suggestion by some MPs that Mr Brown should face a leadership contest this autum
n.

Mr Prentice's criticism was the strongest on-the-record remark from an MP and paves the way for a summer of discontent on the Labour benches following the devastating loss of the Glasgow East seat.

The back-bencher, who is seen as straight-talking, but not a gratuitous troublemaker, had told his local party officials that he had lost confidence in the Prime Minister.

"I just think we need a new leader. Someone has got to speak out," he said.

"I hope Gordon reflects on things during August and accepts that it is in the party's best interests, and perhaps his own, for him to stand down," he said, adding that Mr Brown had "gone a bit rusty".

"A Prime Minister must be able to communicate, persuade and enthuse. If not, the message is lost. I want to see an open leadership election where the bar in terms of nominations is not set so high so as to exclude credible candidates."

Being Prime Minister required different skills to being Chancellor, he said.

Senior parliamentarians, including George Howarth, a former Home Office and Northern Ireland minister, have also appeared to suggest the party needed to look at the "question of the leadership of the party".

Graham Stringer, a former minister turned rebel, has also been openly critical of the Prime Minister, saying he wanted change.

But Tony Lloyd, chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party, said Mr Prentice did not reflect the views of most Labour MPs.

Mr Lloyd said the "widespread view" among Labour MPs was not that Mr Brown should go, but that there was a need for a "sharper focus" and for Mr Brown "to get across what he's all about".

Senior ministers also came to Mr Brown's defence yesterday in public.

Harriet Harman, the deputy Labour leader, admitted that Britain had "not seen the best" of Mr Brown since he arrived at Number 10 more than a year ago, and she said he was the "solution, not the problem".

Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, also gave a coded warning to her colleagues, saying the Prime Minister deserved the support of "all of us" in getting on with the job and she demanded that Labour MPs stop "talking among themselves".

But a former Number 10 spin doctor yesterday said he envisaged Labour would be out of power for up to 15 years.

Lance Price, who worked in No 10 from 1998 to 2001, said Labour was already set for "catastrophic defeat" at the next general election, which could leave the party out of power for over a decade.

• Harriet Harman, Labour's deputy leader, yesterday insisted she was "minding the shop" while Gordon Brown was on holiday. Her claims are in contrast to Downing Street's assertion that the Prime Minister remained "fully in charge" while on holiday in Southwold, Suffolk.





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  • Last Updated: 29 July 2008 12:06 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jimmy Le Pie,

29/07/2008 00:18:06
I've got le answer to New Labour Sleaze's leadership problems.

Cairns resigns his Westminster seat.
Joke resigns his Holyrood seat.
Cairns stands for Joke's former seat.
Maggie Curran stands for Cairns former seat.

Joke heads off to his expense account in Malawi.

Cairns gets resoundly beaten by the SNP.
Curran gets resoundly beaten by the SNP.

Both blame world economic conditions for their defeats.

Comrade Broon refuses to resign.

"I'm planning a relaunch. I'm the best man to lead us out of the mess and shambles that the last Tory government left us with."

Comrade Broon is sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

General election called.

Bye bye New Labour Sleaze.

Bye bye Union!!
2

Senga Jean,

29/07/2008 00:19:28
Labour in the UK does require a better leader. In the absence of any better candidate in its ranks perhaps the SNP could lend them one of its many talented cabinet ministers. At least they could count and stop taking money off the table to sabotage LIT.
3

Oldnat,

29/07/2008 00:28:52
I'm sure that Prentice is genuinely concerned for our welfare, and his call for Brown to go is nothing to do with his slim lead of 2,180 over the Tories.

Labour MPs aren't self-seeking are they?
4

FrancesP,

29/07/2008 02:25:28
"Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, also gave a coded warning to her colleagues"

Yes, it's code for 'I know I'm not going to get the job, none of the other candidates are likely to promote me, therefore what have I got to lose from staying loyal?'

"Her claims are in contrast to Downing Street's assertion that the Prime Minister remained 'fully in charge' while on holiday in Southwold, Suffolk."

I'm beginning to think Brown doesn't actually know the meaning of the word 'holiday' - a) he's gone to Suffolk (nothing against holidays in England but wouldn't you go somewhere really nice like Cornwall?) and b) he's still going to be running the country while he's there. I wouldn't be surprised if he nips back to Downing Street while Sarah isn't looking - after all, he's close enough to get there and back while she's having a quick shower.
5

Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

29/07/2008 02:27:40
3 Oldnat,29/07/2008 00:28:52

That's a wee bit barbed is it no, everybody knows that Labour MPs are only there to look after the interests of the 'working man' and redistribute the wealth of the nation more equitably amongst the most needy in our great,glorious and wonderful Nu Labourite society like, for example................................................
.......................................................
..................................................... Nu Labour MPs. ;-)
6

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29/07/2008 04:34:26
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donald,

glasgow 29/07/2008 06:39:02
Prentice jealous of a slim led?
8

inkster,

Marykirk 29/07/2008 08:42:34
If John F. Kennedy, Nelson Mandela and Father Christmas stood as labour leader at the next General Election, they wouldn't get elected, so they might as well keep their snouts gently resting.
9

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 29/07/2008 09:02:00
We will know how open this contest is, if they state who will be funding their leadership campaigns and for how much..........openly.
10

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 29/07/2008 09:02:02
We will know how open this contest is, if they state who will be funding their leadership campaigns and for how much..........openly.
11

The Tin Man,

29/07/2008 09:56:05
The Labour party in Westminster having a leader elected by the party? Can they still remember how to do that? ....Must be about a decade and a half since that last happened.
12

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 11:20:09
12

But if no one is going to step forward....
13

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 29/07/2008 11:31:11
Possibly the best scenario could be that in a leadership contest GORDON WINS! Think of the sigh of relief round the country as people realise that they have another year of his Great Leadership.

Followed by the biggest gubbing the electorate can hand out.
14

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 11:41:53
14

Tory win. The party that gave us the Poll Tax or the party whose leader (Salmond) urged Scots not to pay.

Separatist logic?
15

megz,

glasgow 29/07/2008 12:00:17
it must be hellish being a labour mp right now. What to do? what to do? Do we hang on to brown and fill our boots for as long as possible or do we get rid of him and either get booted out of get another few years of trough swilling mmm pretty hard to call.
16

tommy the jambo,

reality 29/07/2008 13:21:57
There is not one labour party msp who could stand up to alex salmond,love him or hate him he has a brilliant political mind,the scenario is simple at the next general election do the scottish people want another tory goverment and be run by the tim nice but dim monty furore tea bag smythes?aka david cameron and his puntin on the cam toff friends OR by the snp a scottish party AND scottish leader who care bout scotland,scotland its up to you!im off to eat a haggis peace and a bottle o irn bru.see yeez
17

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

29/07/2008 13:39:09
#17 The best person at exposing Alex Salmond's weaknesses is not in the Labour Party - Annabel Goldie has provided far better constructive opposition to the SNP.
18

lulach mac gille coemgain,

29/07/2008 14:01:31
Are we bored yet ?

Labour ignoring the people - getting on with doing the busy job of denial !
19

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:30:29
#The Federalist

The key word in what you say is "constructive". Part of the problem with all the parties is that they just oppose and never try to appear constructive. It is all about political opportunism.
20

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 14:30:34
18

Goldie is very effective at FMQ - a close second to the now-gone Stephen.

Goldie led the charge and slapped Salmond down by getting him to cut business rates and employ a further 1,000 cops.

She should now focus on holding this withered bunch of opportunists to account for their broken promises.


21

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:33:43
Labour should dump brown and replace him with Alan Johnston and bring back Reid as chancellor. Cannot understand any talk of milliband as he simply does not have the personality. Reid may actually be a better leader but labour need someone English.

1) to attract the english electrate
2) to allow scottish labour to distance itself abit from uk labour.



22

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:35:01
#Scottish 'N British

Goldie was far better than Stephen.

He was just far too petty.
23

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 14:40:49
So you're saying the English are, by and large, racist?
The anti-Scot card is one long peddled by Separatists and, regularly discreditted.

If the English are anti-Brown it's in the sense of his handling of the economy, and not because of where he was born. Nothing more, nothing less.

Let's drop the racist card.












24

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:40:53
#Scottish 'N British

"She should now focus on holding this withered bunch of opportunists to account for their broken promises."

Your comments here show what the problem is with labour and the lib dems. It is the immature language and contempt for the scottish government.

The reason Goldie get respect is she actually acts in a constructive manner, tries to alter policy rather than just oppose and acts in an adult manner rather than the immaturity that comes across from so many politicians as they play their party political games that turn so much of the public off.

Parties rather than opposing should actually put alternatives.

In any walk of life if someone is trying to persuade you of something for instance in the workplace. If they just slag of someelse proposals without having any alternative you quickly turn off.

For an proposal their are advantages and disadvantages. To persuade someone that your policies are better. Firstly you have to have some. And then you have to try to show why the balance of advantages and disadvantages of your policy is better than the oppositions alternative.
25

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

29/07/2008 14:44:16
#22 Alan Johnson would be my preferred choice - better than that over-grown schoolboy Milliband. Johnson has a reputation as being a very competent minister, on e who gets things done and is not frightened of making tough decisions. Having also listened to him he comes across very positively, he doesn't avoid questions but tries to explain himself clearly without the spin. And he has actually done a real job. he also has the bonus of being a Londoner which makes him far moree electable than the dour Gordon.
26

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:48:55
#Scottish 'N British

Not sure if you are addressing me as you did not say so in your post.

"So you're saying the English are, by and large, racist"

I am not saying that at all. It is alot more suttle.

1)labour need someone to address the constitutional issues from an english perspective.
2)with alot of devolved issues brown introducing policies on education and health policies that do not effect his own constituents.
3)this leads to certain sections in the media play the scottish mafia type card.

I remember a newsnight uk program on who would make the best labour leader after blair. the panel of about 100 or so were against brown saying he was too scottish but back reid. weird i know.

Part of the reason i think labour need a english leader is due to the issue round the constitution. It is easier for an english mp to argue the merits of barnett and scottish mps voting on english matters than a scottish mp to an english voting public. Dito for selling to an english electrate why scotland get free personal care or no tution fees.




27

Alan B,

29/07/2008 14:56:27
#Scottish 'N British

"If the English are anti-Brown it's in the sense of his handling of the economy, and not because of where he was born. Nothing more, nothing less."

I think the lack of support for brown is more than just the recent economy.

1)the election that never was was a mess
2)every decision he takes is a mess- 10p tax and fuel duty
3)he put in darling as chancellor who was never going to be seen to be his own person.
4)personality
5)northern rock handling
6)42 days detention and id cards etc

Generally mud is sticking to him.

Also labour lost the popular vote in england last time round but won the election becuase of the way the seat were split.

Part of the thing about the economy. He was actually sold as being a good chancellor but much was wrong with the way he ran the economy. The tories after making a mess themselves found it hard to hold him to account. He got a good media for so long.

Now so many of his poor decisions are coming home to roost and are being shown up in the media.

Finally the corruption that has surrounded labour is starting to stick. All the talk of cleaning up politics is seen as a sad joke.

28

Nevsky,

Moscow 29/07/2008 15:18:13
24:

I think you better look on the discussion boards of the broadsheets..plenty English racism there directed at Scots. I very rarely (thankfully) have seen it from any SNP supporter!

Even in the Guardian a read an article by 'Moore' i think who stated how the English 'seeth with resentment' now when they hear any Scottish voice in Government.

29

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 15:20:57
25

Immaturity, no. Contempt, yes. A feeling shared by most Unionists I suspect.

When a party puts to gether a set of manifesto pledges it is morally bound to carry them out.

Cast your mind back and you may recall the opposition parties openly stated the money for them wasn't available, only to be met with the "ach they're only scaremongering" response.

One or two broken pledges I can live with. But so many? He promised so much and has delivered so little.

BTW, please spare me the "we're a minority government" guff. Salmond knew all along he'd most probably be in this situation.


30

Nevsky,

Moscow 29/07/2008 15:39:21
30:

What happened to Brown ending child povery by 2010..remember that one from the great socialist?
31

Number 6,

Germany 29/07/2008 15:50:52
If, liebour , by some miracle, managed to teargas Maggie Brown out of 10 downing seat, would they really
attempt to install the next village idiot without a General election ?. Could they really be that stupid ?.
32

Alan B,

29/07/2008 15:55:07
#Scottish 'N British

"Immaturity, no. Contempt, yes. A feeling shared by most Unionists I suspect."

Given the poll ratings of the snp i doubt it. I think most of the public view Salmond leadership quite positively.

Alot of that is down to perception. Abit like the way blair was viewed early yrs positively.

I notice you ignored the substantive part of my post about the lack of constructiveness from both the lib dems and labour.

With regard to promises their are 2 things:
1)we will see over this parliament what the snp achieve and what they do not as an administration in general terms and how they manage scotland.

The problem with labour from me is they just looked clueless with poor leadership not achieving much of what i find important in 10yrs.

2)and specifically regarding promises we will see what they achieve and what they fail to achieve. And what they partially achieve.

Personally i think labour tactic of concentrating on broken promises is not going to work electrally. Firstly it is far too negative. Secondly did they achieve much of what they promised. Thirdly when McConnell took over it was more about promising little and not doing much.

Part of the problem with labour tactics is it almost to try to say the snp are just as bad as labour.

Brown said he would have his golden rules and run a stable economy. Was that a broken promise as he keep fiddling with the rules so not to break them

Blair said he would be tough on crime and caues.He had gone and still knife and gun crime are rife. Was that a broken promise.

They said they would clean up politics with but have been more corrupt that the tories.


33

Comment is Free,

U.S. 29/07/2008 16:07:32
Does this still count as New Labour eating its children if the children want to boil the leader of the gang alive?
34

Scottish 'N British,

29/07/2008 16:50:28
33

Well, you HOPE Scottish Labour/Scottish Lib Dems/ Scottish Tories' tactics won't resonate with voters.

Let's go back to the beginning. Salmond, in citing Labour's failures, said his administration wouldn't take the public for granted.

In less than 18 months we see pledge after pledge has been scrapped, amended or summarily dumped..

Considered opinion has it that his honeymoon period continues largely because focus was elsewhere. Trumpgate and Aviemore popped up during Wendygate, for example.

On the SNP's popularity (forget the anecdotal evidence collated by SNP canvassers - LOL) we know from the most recent DT poll that Salmond's "successes" (whatever they are) hasn't translated into support for a Separate Scottish state.

His skill at blaming the "Unionist-media and experts" for talking down his Executive's achievements is only going to get him so far. There will come a time when this failure to deliver will resonate with the voter.

In essence, Salmond has the rest of this parliament to deliver on his manifesto pledges.

Or else. Even fewer will be taking the long walk to the ballot box.

35

Nearly There,

29/07/2008 17:01:46
35
"In essence, Salmond has the rest of this parliament to deliver on his manifesto pledges."
Agreed. 18 Months is a bit too soon to be talking about "broken promises" IMHO.

36

lulach mac gille coemgain,

29/07/2008 19:38:09
I feel a Dump coming on !
37

lulach mac gille coemgain,

29/07/2008 19:42:53
I hear there is likely to be confusion at the next General Election - The Labour supporters thought it was ‘ANDY’ Cameron they were voting for !
38

Darien,

Panama 29/07/2008 20:01:30
#Scottish 'N British

You are I expect not claiming dual nationality, but if you were, which of these two nationalities takes precedence? Even those claiming dual nationality know that one of their nationalities always takes precedence over the other; to seek to have equal Scottish/British nationality is delusional. So which one is it for you?
39

Brian M,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 21:14:16
Broon the Bufoon is never PM material.

His world is to be doing 'sums' and numbers, and have as little contact as possible with real people and the real world.

Perhaps he should go for Carol's job on Countdown.
40

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 29/07/2008 22:19:16
Please leave Gordon Brown alone. He is doing a great job for Scotland, at least in as much he is showing us how not to run a country. So that when Scotland declares INDEPENDENCE in 2009 we will know then what not to do.
41

Daveunderwater,

The epicentre of the quake 29/07/2008 22:31:40
Scottish N British is it?

You an yer maw

Awa n bile yer heid ye!

Come oan doon tae Shettleston an I'll gie ye Scot N Brit!!
42

Daveunderwater,

29/07/2008 22:39:42
I there a problem here?

Aye Bigman Scottish N British is windin us up ken?

You agitating ma boy. I'll stick this Barbie that far up your ar3e that Ken will need tae dangle fae your tonsils just tae get a goodnight winch.
43

BridgetonRFC,

30/07/2008 16:51:39
hardman yer jist a tool how no get yer anti british a*re up tae Bears land any saturday and dae the threats bizzo ther?up fir a ful blownpumelin fae 50000 gers fans ya tube ye

 

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