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Published Date: 07 November 2008
LABOUR today declared the SNP's honeymoon with the voters was over after the Nationalists failed to win the Glenrothes by-election.
All sides had predicted a close result, but Labour's candidate Lindsay Roy coasted to victory with a majority of 6737.

And the SNP was left licking its wounds, having achieved only a five per cent swing in their favour compared withe the 22.5 per cent which saw them storm to victory in Glasgow East in July. Labour also held off an

SNP challenge to win the council by-election in Edinburgh's Forth ward caused by the death of Labour stalwart Elizabeth Maginnis.

Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said: "The honeymoon is over.

"The SNP's broken promises and empty bluster are now coming home to roost.

"Their arguments for breaking up Britain have been exposed by the economic crisis, which has demonstrated that Scotland's best future lies in partnership with the rest of the UK."

First Minister Alex Salmond had predicted Glenrothes would be another political "earthquake" following the SNP's Glasgow East triumph.

But although the Nationalists managed to reduce Labour's previous majority of 10,664 majority, both parties saw their share of the vote increase at the expense of the minor parties and Labour was able to maintain a clear lead.

It is the first serious electoral setback for the SNP since it won last year's Scottish Parliament elections.

Mr Salmond said: "Obviously, we are disappointed not to take what was a safe Labour seat.

"However, we substantially cut Labour's majority and achieved a 13 per cent increase in our share of the vote and a five per cent swing against an entirely negative campaign on local issues from the Labour Party."

Labour's victory is being seen as a huge personal boost for Prime Minister Gordon Brown. His Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath constituency is next door and he broke with convention to join the campaign in Glenrothes along with his wife Sarah.

Labour's Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy hailed what he described as a "remarkable" result and accused the SNP of arrogance.

He said "The SNP declared victory the day the by-election was called. Their campaign went from confidence to arrogance and I don't think the people of Fife or Scotland appreciated that.

He said the Prime Minister's handling of the global financial crisis had encouraged voters to support Labour again.

He said "It is a dreadful result for the SNP. They had predicted they would win. Their leader Alex Salmond visited the constituency 12 times.

"Labour had more votes in the election yesterday than in the General Election, which is a reflection of the affection that Gordon Brown is held in and a reflection of the appreciation of the work that he has been doing in the UK and across the world on the economic crisis."

The Tories leapfrogged the Lib Dems to take third place, but both parties lost their deposits.

New MP Lindsay Roy, who will now resign his post at head teacher of Gordon Brown's old school, Kirkcaldy High School, thanked the Prime Minister for his support.

He said: "I pledge my support to the leader of this country. Someone who has worked very hard on behalf of all of us, not just in Fife, but in Scotland and the UK during these volatile economic times."

Supporters cheer 'reluctant politician'
BOOKMAKERS declared the by-election too close to call as officials, activists and the waiting media prepared for the votes to be counted.

Many expected the SNP to repeat its historic win in Glasgow East, but all evidence pointed to the fight for the Glenrothes seat being a close race.

Labour's 59-year-old candidate, quiet, measured high school headteacher Lindsay Roy was described by one onlooker as a "reluctant politician" who may be keen to run the constituency but for whom sitting in Westminster could be a different story.

Peter Grant's leadership of Fife Council, which has faced criticism over recent policies on homecare charges, was also a hot topic on the floor of the count centre.

The first ballot box arrived at the count centre at Fife Institute of Sport shortly after 10.15pm and photographers and television crews jostled for position to get a shot of the moment the count began.

An air of anticipation filled the sports hall and party activists gathered round the counting tables, eagerly awaiting a hint of how the electorate had voted.

Each of the eight candidates standing had strong support in attendance, with Tricia Marwick who won the Central Fife seat for the Nationalists in last year's Holyrood election. Frank Roy, Labour MP for Motherwell and Wishaw, and Scottish Conservative deputy leader, Central Scotland and Fife MSP Murdo Fraser among those showing support at the count.

A steady stream of black ballot boxes sealed with yellow security tags were wheeled to the teams of counters, despite a hold up as a car awkwardly parked prevented vans containing votes from unloading at the count centre. The by-election prompted an "unprecedented" level of media interest, with 170 media accreditations compared with 140 in 2005 when then Chancellor, Gordon Brown, was returned to Westminster.

Less than two hours after polls closed, rumours of a shock Labour win came with the completion of verification process, where activists from each party watch counters and tally votes.

When Lindsay Roy arrived at 12.30am he was met with cheers and applause from waiting supporters. Peter Grant's arrival with wife and fellow SNP councillor Fiona Grant five minutes later went almost unnoticed as Labour activists welcomed their candidate.

When the result was announced by returning officer Ronnie Hinds, cheers rang round the Fife sports hall.

The unassuming new MP has pledged to match the work done by John MacDougall, whose death prompted the by-election.

Balance of power is unchanged as Day retains Forth ward seat
LABOUR has maintained the balance of power in Edinburgh Council by retaining the Forth ward seat left vacant by the sudden death of councillor Elizabeth Maginnis.

The party's 34-year-old candidate Cammy Day held the council seat for Labour with a majority of 172 votes over the SNP's second place candidate George Gordon.

The SNP had hoped to snatch the seat away from Labour to give the ruling SNP / Lib Dem coalition a clear majority for the first time in the chamber, but it was not to be. It means that the coalition will have to continue to rely on the casting vote of Lord Provost George Grubb to break the deadlock in crucial decisions.

Mr Day, formerly a youth worker in the area, paid tribute to Ms Maginnis, who died suddenly in September, and promised to "carry on her fighting spirit" for the people of the Forth ward.

He said: "I'm shocked, elated and shaken to have won the by-election.

"I think the result shows that the people of Forth have seen that Labour is the true fighting party of Edinburgh.

"I hope to bring to the council what Elizabeth Maginnis brought to the council, which is a fight.

"The key issue for us right now is to continue to fight the ruling administration's cuts in local services."

Mr Day added that he will also fight to clean up the streets in areas like Granton and will campaign for more police on the streets of Forth.

He added: "I'm younger than Ms Maginnis and I hope to use this, alongside my experience as a youth worker, to engage young people into politics."

Like Ms Maginnis before him, Mr Day was selected at the ninth stage of the council's single transferable vote (STV) system, meaning he failed to achieve the required 50% of the vote until the final stage of selection.

Labour group leader Andrew Burns paid tribute to his candidate's "inspiring victory".

However, City Council leader Jenny Dawe indicated that the protracted STV selection process demonstrates that the result was not an all-out endorsement for Labour.

She said: "The fact that the result went down to the final round of selection tells its own story."

Presiding officer Tom Aitchison said the voting process went smoothly, with none of the electronic voting problems that marred the full council elections in 2007.

Voter turn out was roughly 40% down on last year's election, and this was reflected in the results with most of the parties maintaining their relative share of the diminished vote.

While the night was Labour's, the biggest cheer was reserved for former Scottish Youth Parliament chairman and Big Brother: Celebrity Hijack winner John Loughton, who won 297 votes standing as an independent.

Mr Loughton's engaging spirit went down well with all parties, and Cammy Day vowed to work with him to energise the youth vote in the ward.

Mr Loughton said: "Nearly 300 people voted for an individual and a set of beliefs rather than a party. That is what politics is all about."



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  • Last Updated: 07 November 2008 2:53 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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malcyh,

07/11/2008 12:08:00
What's to be happy about. Labour majority has dropped so where did all thier support go?
Good luck to you in Glenrothes................
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capy,

embra 07/11/2008 12:11:53
More voting fodder for nu labour. Mr Roy will soon be voting to shut post offices and spend billions on the son of Trident.

Whats happened to the Lib Dems?
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 07/11/2008 12:12:32
you dont understand bi-elections malcyh. They traditionally have reduced turn outs so you expect a lower number of majority votes. Add on the state of the economy and the ratings of Gordon Brown and Labour appear to be a sitting target, yet they won. And if you look at their share of those that did actually vote it was a bigger share than they had in the general election - the SNP were beaten every which way.
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The Master,

07/11/2008 12:17:50
#1: too right they bottled it! Several punters were interviewed at the polling station by "the World Tonight" and one about summed it all up when he said that he supported the SNP policies with the exception of independence and so he had decided to vote Labour.

Reasons for defeat:

1. Voters not prepared to hold their noses and ignore the separation agenda in view of this being exposed for the folly it is after the banking collapse.

2. Tartan Tory policies increasingly coming to the fore in the wake of the CT freeze, cuts by Fife Council, threat of poll tax 2 etc etc
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Unimpressed one,

07/11/2008 12:27:44
Watching 'prosperous' Iceland being flushed down the toilet probably didn't help Salmond's prospects either.
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Johnny Yen,

07/11/2008 12:30:19
Reality dawns on the Scottish electorate, Scotland cannot survive without the Union. Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end of Salmond gimmick politics.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 07/11/2008 12:40:32
Theres no goany be undependuns !!! Long live Westminster !!!
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familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 12:48:52
Great to see the SNP defeated, but cant understand why the condervatives don't get any support in Scotland. Is it because they are the only party that stands up for hard work and well we just don't have a lot of that in Scotland.
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AndyPandy,

07/11/2008 13:05:09
So much for the Lib Dem's graphs. It was apparently a "two horse" race and only the "LibDems could beat Labour", despite them coming 4th last time as well. They posted enough leaflets through my door to wallpaper my front room - one of them even said a new LibDem councillor could bring down the cost of milk, not sure how. And to read their leaflets, you would never have thought they had been running the council already for the past 18 months.

Mind you, I wonder if Cllr Elaine "AWOL" Morris realises her party are in control? Or even that she is a councillor?

So in response to Jenny Dawe's quote in the story - the fact that your party did even worse than last time (coming a poor fourth rather than just fourth) tells its own story.

Of course, had the LibDem candidate Sanne actually bothered turning up to hustings or showing any knowledge of local issues they may have done a wee bit better.
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Megan H,

07/11/2008 13:05:49
Boaby Hepatitus.

Just wondering if you have anything sensible to say as all your numerous posts so far have been infantile
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AndyPandy,

07/11/2008 13:09:38
My post above was about the council by-election in Forth btw, not Glenrothes. Although they came a very poor fourth their too, losing their deposit.
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me150,

07/11/2008 13:12:20
Ha ha ha hee hee hee haw haw haw...chortle, chuckle......... and still look at the pathetic SNP support here making even more excuses.

Hopefully this is the begining of the end!!!!
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Forrest,

Livingston 07/11/2008 13:14:58
#18 - spot on
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PeterPete,

07/11/2008 13:18:33
#18 "Fifers are so dumb the labour party could have put a donkey up for election and those muppets would have voted for it."

That's not quite what Mr Salmond was saying a few weeks ago, or even, err, yesterday morning, was it?

Fact is, Labour got even more votes than last time.
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Spout,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 13:39:32
#18 I don't really get your point given Glenrothes has an SNP MSP and the council in Fife is SNP.

As for your hope that all Post Offices are closed in the Kingdom, I am sure I am not alone in hoping your internet connection is terminated forthwith.
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Dan,

Englandshire 07/11/2008 13:40:58
Just looking at this:
Labour got a higher number of votes than last time, good for them. SNP got lots more votes than last time, but not quite enough to take the seat and people ask if the bubble has burst for the SNP etc.

I'd actually say not having cut the Labour majority in half WITH an increased turn out. Looks like we'll be shot of you yet. ;)
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 13:56:56
A very sad day for Scotland and for democracy. The SNP were hopeful that the labour voters of Glenrothes were similar to those in Glasgow East and would respond well to their positive messages. They couldn't have foreseen just how set in their ways the Labour voting Fifers are or how easily manipulated they were by liebours negative spinning, (like a peerie!) and the total anti SNP onslaught by the mass media. In a true democracy the media would have been far more even handed in their reporting and the SNP would have stood a fair chance of a win. As it was, the Labour Party enjoyed Party Political Broadcasts with little or no rebuttal from any other party, (these broadcasts were called 'THE NEWS'. Almost every political article in the Herod was pro Liebour and often had a wee video to further convince the hard of thinking. The Liebour candidate didn't even have to bring his emu along, (or talk sense), such was the help he got from the EBC and the so-called Scottish Press.

I mourn for a lost chance to get rid of that arch liar, coward and traitor, Broon Pants. The New Liebour posters on here being so gleeful really should calm down a wee bit and ask themselves what has really been achieved in this result, the economy is still broken, (Broons fault), we have soldiers in illegal wars, (Broons assistance used), fuel prices are soaring and people are losing their jobs and soon their homes, all down to Broon, so why should you feel smug and self satisfied at the defeat of the only party who appear to care anything for the people of Scotland?

ALBA GU BRATH!

FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!!

YA BASS
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Salvatori,

07/11/2008 13:59:51
Caption: Ken Dodd raises his arms in triumph.
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Top Floor,

07/11/2008 14:07:40
#16 familyman

Yopu speak for yourself mate, me and mine work bloody hard and so do plenty others. Don't tar everyone else with your own bitterness.
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Top Floor,

07/11/2008 14:09:56
#34 Billiam

SNP positive message ?

Yer havin' a laugh !

Read your own contribution.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:11:17
#35 Salvatori,

"Caption: Ken Dodd raises his arms in triumph"

Well so he should Salvatori, he certainly got the support of the Fife Diddy Men.

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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 14:32:33
#36 Top Floor, (Bargain Basement Brain)
Please do illuminate us all on the many positive and well constructed policies that New Liebour has in place to assist the people of Scotland and that they have been implementing for the last umpteen years of total mismangement.

Within the confines imposed on them by Devolution and the illegal withholding of our own money by Westmonster, the SNP government in Holyrood has done a pretty good job on behalf of the Scottish people. They aren't perfect but a hell of a lot better than the trough snufflers and Liebour Mafia trash that pollute the political scene in Scotland.

Please illucidate us with your brilliant analysis of New Liebours policies.

No, thought not.

Alba Gu Brath
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Andanotherthing,

07/11/2008 14:38:50
#34 Billiam

What a shame, everybodys against the SNP.
Is no fair.
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watcher,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:39:29
The voter is now asking what happens if Scotland get independance? What happens when the SNP dissolve after independance, where does Salmond and his cronies go.
They will obviously form a new Capitalist Party, or join the Tories, while the foot Soldiers go back to Labour so what will cahnge?
Just a Country without a banking system, National Health or Social security and of course security.
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go boil ur heid,

07/11/2008 14:55:41
42 just because your 6 cans short of an i.q doesn't mean everyone else is. independence doesn't just come in days it takes as long as it needs to set up a functioning independant goverment. check your history books. banking national health. social security and national security is all part of the devolution process. take some pride in your own countrymen and women.
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tomias,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:55:55
So where is the political theiry in Scotland?
As wee see it now very little of it at all; just a long series of sniping at each other.
Glenrothes will alas be weeping when the down side in commerce and society really hit them.
But as the game goes on- yes here we are again- gutless.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 15:05:00
#41 Andanothertwonk: I, (and no doubt the rest of the posters on here), are still waiting for your, no doubt erudite and well informed, analysis of New Liebours positive and world class policies for a bigger, bouncier Britain.

No, still thought not. Any more childish little outbursts or has nannie put your dummie back in?
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Simon M,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:05:05
John Loughton is typical of members of the Scottish Youth Parliament - a careerist with no ideology other than a desire to be a professional politician. Away and join a political party son.
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FF,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:29:34
#36, Top Floor

You're wasting your time with Billiam. He thinks "arch liar, coward and traitor, Broon Pants", "Herod" for "The Herald" etc represent positive SNP messages.

Sorry.
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Stuntman Mike,

07/11/2008 15:37:26
#45: Are you the poster formerly known as Hen Broon, aka the uncacceptable face of nationalsim himself? Has the secret alchemy by which you resurrected your moniker time after time after being deleted for posting nationalist bilge finally failed?

A warm abu du grath (or whatever) to you on this day when very few cybernats are venturing online!
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Party Goer,

Forth Ward 07/11/2008 15:38:11
Cammy Day is having a laugh. How he ever got elected I'll never know.

He got in by abusing his position with the North Edinburgh Trust when he had young people he worked with and had influence over, most of whom have no interest in politics, selivering leaflets for him.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 15:46:15
#47 And no doubt you think all the lies and spin that the Labour Party put on things are positive too, do you? Positive SNP messages include scrapping of prescription charges, Council tax replaced by LIT that takes ability to pay into account, scrapping of bridge tolls, etc. etc. New Liebour's positive messages include, Scotland couldn't do it alone, (cos we need your oil in fact), Bendy Wendy was exonerated, Iraq had WMDs, (not it didn't but we do, thanks to the Union), etc. etc.

People are waking up to the fact that New Liebour tell lies and are a useless, low-grade bunch of trough snufflers. More and more people want positive change. All Gordon Broon Pants has given them has been extremely negative change.

#48 Cupid Stuntman. No, I'm not Hen Broon, (though I do resemble the character in the comic strip). This is the first time I have posted online on this particular forum, I usually post at the Herald unionist rag, but come here when they close their comments due to unionist trolls like you.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 15:49:22
#s 50,51 & 52
I hope your moniker indicates that you are testing positive and are in rapidly declining physical as well as mental health. You are about as funny as watching the British economy implode ya bampot.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 15:58:18
#47 FF Those aren't any kind of SNP message as I am not actually an SNP voter or activist, I merely observe and comment on what is obvious. Gudrun Broon Pants is an imbecile, a coward and a traitor. When has he ever done anything to counter any of those titles?

Calling the Glasgow Herald the Herod is merely merry banter pointing out what a traiterous rag it is to the people of Scotland who read it. It has no interest in impartiality and only supports New Liebour to the detriment of balanced reporting and debate.

Accuse me of being stubborn if you wish but detail all the positive policies of New Liebour on here and I will consider them and if worthy, praise them. I won't be holding my breath however.
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Top Floor,

07/11/2008 16:04:06


It is noteworthy that the SNP supporters posting today are finding it difficult to stifle their bitterness and bile and have to resort to type by trying to denigrate their opponents in the most childish and peurile manner.

Government (local or national) is about more than adolescent posturing or graffiti'd slogans on public buildings.

You may grow to understand this one day but then again.....

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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 16:07:47
Oh, the Gnat grapes on here are delighfully sour today.

Face it, Bravehearts - Glenrothes voted decisively to wipe the slimy grin off King Smug's arrogant puss. Oh, and the local Gnats got well gubbed in Forth Ward too. And all your reversion to type in throwing insults around won't change that.

Gnats are fine for a protest vote, but when the economy is in bother voters want a Party with some experience and an idea of how to solve the problem which is a bit more sophisticated than "a big boy at Westminster did it and ran away".

Salmond's bullying bluster at Holyrood and the Gnats' playground yah boo politics are starting to get found out.
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Marian,

07/11/2008 16:11:31
Still peddling the 'New Labour can win the next election' line I see. I'm afraid that you are entirely incorrect. There is no possibility, none, that New Labour can win. To win there must be tolerance. That is gone, subsumed in that contemptuous loathing that only the people of the UK, pushed beyond their normal equable fairness, can really manage. And we have been so pushed.

New Labour will be annihilated at the next election. It will lose votes and 'safe' heartland seats to Plaid Cymru in Wales and to the SNP in Scotland. In England the Libdems will take over previously safe New Labour seats in major Northern urban areas; the Tories will take not only the suburbs, the market towns and the rural seats, but will rip England's cities free also. Brown will be very lucky if New Labour retain a hundred seats next time round. I'm sure there will remain a few New Labour tribalists, blinkered and unable to turn from their well-worn path - there are some who post here - but the majority of ex-New Labour voters will vote for someone else For anyone else. Just to get rid of New Labour.

And do you know why all this will happen? Because New Labour have been dishonest with the voters, and they have been found out. That ultimate political sin, that thing above all that we as a nation cannot and will not tolerate. Moreover they have lied to us, not once, but repeatedly for more than a decade. And now all the lies are being exposed. The myth of Brown's economic "genius" is coming tumbling down and the whole shoddy edifice of debt-ridden idiocy is displayed for all of us to see. The overbearing authoritarian intrusive 'we know best how you should live your lives' contempt for the citizens is dragged with its monstrous pile of petty paperwork from behind the 'progressive liberal' rhetoric. We see New Labour for what it truly is, for what it has truly done, and we don't like it.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 16:12:30
#59 I know that you can type normal English but choose not to as you think it is funny to type in weird Scots ergot. You are a unionist and an idiot.

#60 I think it is natural for people who have been hard done by to be bitter. The New Labour Party are the original party of spin and soundbites. They often resort to petty name calling and downright lying to besmirch their opponents. They have no policies of any substance and merely keep spinning, (and borrowing), their way out of trouble. People who are turning to other parties, (including the SNP), are those people who have seen through the posturing, lies and deceit of New Labour and aspire to something better for their future and the future of their children. Labour offer only more negativity and more and more debt with ever decreasing business to pay for it all.
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Billiam Wallace,

07/11/2008 16:18:09
#62 Very eloquent post Marian. I doubt that the unionist posters will appreciate it though as it isn't insulting or full of bitterness, the only things they understand. It amuses me greatly that they constantly attribute the characteristics of the New Liebour liars and cheats to the SNP and its followers. Very strange.
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tumshie heid,

07/11/2008 16:23:24
Sadly it's no surprise that the result didn't go the SNP'S way. Why did you vote Labour? "Because my father and his father before did" This is the insular mentality of the electorate there. If people would vote on their conscience instead of tradition then we would have had a different result.
In the near future when there are no jobs and peoples houses are being repossesed perhaps they will wake up to the fact that Labour is destroying this country.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 16:38:48
Good to see the Gnats reverting to their usual tactics here - hurling insults at the voters of Glenrothes for having the temerity not to vote for their Party. Accusing voters of being too stupid to vote SNP is not much of a campaign tactic really.

Tip for next time - wait till the votes are counted before you tell everyone you have won. Plenty of people saw John Mason's smug arrogance at the Glasgow Central count and didn't like it much.

Face it - voters in Fife had already seen what SNP rule was like at both national and Council level, and had decided not to vote for more of the same.

The Gnats had an army of volunteers out in Glenothes throughout the campaign, far more than any other Party. And they still couldn't convince enough people to make a serious dent in the Labour majority in a mid-term bye-election.

Call it what you will, Bravehearts, spin the result as much as you like, but the fact is that your boy took a hell of a beating last night. As did King Smug, whose arrogant prediction of another earthquake makes him look very foolish today.
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subrosa,

07/11/2008 16:42:28
# 65

I have to agree with you. Also the fact that the tories and libdems voted with labour. The libdems didn't surprise me in the least as Brown and Campbell are best pals and have plotted continually to keep the SNP down.

The tories did surprise me a little, but they have such a weak leadership at present, it's little wonder they have no commitment to their party.

In some ways this result will make the SNP more cohesive and look at their campaigning skills. The publication of the newspaper by labour, the day before the election, to every home in Fife wasn't counteracted. The lies contained within it about cuts in social services were purely that - lies, but some of the people of Glenrothes believed them. If these lies had been nailed hard during the campaign then things may have been slightly different.

This result has no effect on the general election. Brown will still be kicked out because the economy is slowly coming to its knees.

The tories really need to up their game and quickly. Sitting doing nothing is useless and playing into labour's hands. Osborne needs to be replaced as he's said nothing of substance for weeks. Cameron's weak.
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lilywhite,

borders 07/11/2008 16:48:42
It seems having listened to the news and read a lot of posts that most folk have missed the 1 common denominator in both by elections.The collapse in the lib dem vote had the 3000 or so folk who deserted the libdems switched to the snp (as they appeared to do in Glasgow) there would have been a relativley close result, instead it appears they went for their old mates in the labour party.Remember throughout this campaign the l.ds have claimed they were serious contenders so they are the true failures today,this is a setback for us Nats, but a disaster for the lib dems.
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subrosa,

07/11/2008 16:48:52
# 66 'The Gnats had an army of volunteers out in Glenothes throughout the campaign, far more than any other Party. '

Labour bussed hundreds of students in from English universities - promising them a good time. They fell for it of course.

You do like the adjective 'smug' don't you? I rather like the noun liar because that's how labour campaigned, by lying. They also government the UK by lying. All will be revealed in the coming months. In fact the IMF have already stated the UK is going to be worse off than any other civilised country.

That's just for starters ...

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go boil ur heid,

07/11/2008 17:21:44
Ghengis McCann Gorgie_Tony what's it like selling out your own country for personal gain. unfortunately there's a lot more of your type in scotland get rid of these types scotland will be a country proud to live in.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 07/11/2008 17:48:28
#73...Methinks you require help and I could name a good psychiatrist..

Labour did not win they held onto the seat. They could not lose. They had the media on their side, newspapers that printed blatent lies just to scare disabled and elderly people....I did not see one reporter in the paper state that home care charges in Glasgow were £18 per hour.. for example....Gordon Brown has continued to lie about the curent crisis the UK is in thanks to him and his kind. All experts state thet the UK will be hardest hit and take longer to recover from the big R word.

Yes the people of Fife did well and they shall live to regret it when Gordon or whome ever runs the next government has to increase income tax to pay for all this borrowing. Borrowing that Gordons pals in the banks are still using to pay fat cat bonuses.
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Callum MacPherson,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 20:45:32
Iain Gray: "Their (the SNP) arguments for breaking up Britain have been exposed by the economic crisis, which has demonstrated that Scotland's best future lies in partnership with the rest of the UK"

That is THE most ridiculous arguement ever.

Gordon Brown more than anyone, except perhaps George Bush, has steered us into the worst financial crisis in almost a century through his reckless policies; encouraging deregulation of the financial system across Europe and the world, massive, unprecedented levels of personal and national debt, and crippling our economy so that, according to the IMF, the UK is facing the most harsh recession of ANY developed country in 2009!!

Brown's irresponsible policies both as Chancellor and Prime Minister are one of the root causes of the current economic crisis.

Yet Gray reckons we should stick with it because, I assume, he believes that Scotland, on its own, would be the ONLY developed country in the world that would fair even worse than the UK!! How's that for faith in your countrymen?!?!

Salmond and the SNP have suffered only as a result of the unbelievably generous media coverage of Brown over the last couple of months, belying his direct involvement in creating this situation.

In fact the arguement for independence is stronger and clearer than ever, founded on the facts of Scotland's fundamental strengths in its educated workforce, massive natural resources, a respected reputation that still persists across the globe, a beautiful countryside and an abundance of history and culture.

I believe it is that positive arguement for Scottish sovereignty, not the negative arguement's of Labour cronies such as Gray, that will emerge over the next 2 years.
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Callum MacPherson,

Edinburgh 08/11/2008 13:02:39
#76, didn't you read my post?!?! It's not an excuse, it's a perfectly rational, coherent, reason. What's more, it is the truth.

In answer to your accusation, the SNP is delivering, yes, even in Fife: reducing prescription charges, bringing in a fairer charging system for homecare and a free central heating programme, financially supporting green energy production, bringing forward public investment plans (long before Alistair Darling even mentioned he might), scrapping the unfair tolls on the Forth and Tay road bridges, freezing council tax bills and lowering rates for small businesses, to name but a few.

In fact it is your nonsensical rant which is typical of those scared that Scotland might stand up and take responsibility for itself.

The same applies to #77, "No small country can afford to stand alone." Of course not you fool. You cannot tell me that in the modern world any one country, large or small, can afford to do that. The UK obviously cannot. The USA cannot!!

The modern world is more interdependent than it has ever been and it is this very reason that makes the Scottish Act of Union with England so outdated, no longer fit for purpose.

Rather than being drowned out by a much larger partner, England, that quite rightly looks after itself first, modern Scotland needs direct access to the European and global marketplaces and a government with the full powers to make decisions for Scotland, by Scotland; independence.
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AdoptedFifer,

Fife 20/02/2009 02:13:56
#78- Callum MacPherson- well said, Sir.

I cannot believe how apathetic and ill informed people in Scotland are about Scotland in current times, it almost makes me want to cry.

"Great Britain"; The United Kingdom; Rule Brittania, any of those sound a bit Victorian to anyone, or is it just me? For crying out loud people, it's 2009. Look at the state of the Empire that preceeded 'us', the U.S.

Empires do not work; at least not for the majority.

You know, patriotism is NOT about nationality or xenophobia, it's about freedom; it's about having a say in your own life. Your rights, freedoms, what you are and are not entitled to do within your own country. And ALL of that is unique to any given country; it relates to it's culture, it's heritage, the nuances of the nature of it's society.

I'll refer particularly to England, Scotland N.I. & Wales, and ask this; HOW can the best practices regarding a country's laws and governance be made by a parliament that sits in a completely different country?

Take into account the populations of these nations and it is obvious that M.P.s from the smaller U.K. nations can only have a limited beneficial effect in their role of representing their constituents in the U.K. parliament.

Why is it that many commonwealth countries have already REGAINED their independence and self-determination, and yet Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have NOT!

Don't even get me started on the Glenrothes by-election.. actually scratch that because I have to share this story.. I live in Glenrothes incidentally.

A few weeks before the by-election was to be held, I was out walking close to a 'chippy' near my home one evening when I spotted [or was spotted by] slightly flushed looking woman in her 40's or so holding a clipboard in her hand. Being an intuitive bloke in the world to sense an air of urgency, or even desperation about her. It's not the busiest chippy in town; it's sometime between 7 and 8 in the evening: "Strange time and p
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AdoptedFifer,

Fife 20/02/2009 02:15:16
[Continued from above]
A few weeks before the by-election was to be held, I was out walking close to a 'chippy' near my home one evening when I spotted [or was spotted by] slightly flushed looking woman in her 40's or so holding a clipboard in her hand. Being an intuitive bloke in the world to sense an air of urgency, or even desperation about her. It's not the busiest chippy in town; it's sometime between 7 and 8 in the evening: "Strange time and place to bump into a market researcher?" I thought to myself.

Anyway, I politely listened to her spiel, and to cut a long story short; I was invited to attend an impromptu market research meeting in Glenrothes the following week.
EVEN THOUGH I didn't meet the proposed criteria of her target participants on TWO counts.
I made it clear to her, that I wasn't comfortable with these two criteria being overlooked, but she said it was "Ok to bend the rules a little" [paraphrased]. Ok, I wasn't born yesterday, so I understand a lot of people think they have good excuses for apathy towards politics; lets face it though, the main reasons are either a lack of understanding of law, government & politics laziness, OR plain old laziness.
Oh, did I mention that potential participants in the research study were being offered a FINANCIAL REWARD? For attending a 30 minute Q&A, multiple choice 1 researcher<---> 7 males opinion-othon?

The market researcher and myself discussed political apathy in Scotland among other things; personally I was curious to know who was sponsoring this research though she wouldn't divulge. When I told her my own theory on who was sponsoring this research and why, again her verbal response was elusive but telling. Her body language and facial expression indicated that my theory wasn't too far wide of the mark.

And what about this?

http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/glenrothes/MSP-Marwick-34Investigation-must-be.4943181.jp

"MSP Marwick: "Investigation must be truly external"


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AdoptedFifer,

Fife 20/02/2009 02:16:39
[Continued again!]

http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/glenrothes/MSP-Marwick-34Investigation-must-be.4943181.jp

"MSP Marwick: "Investigation must be truly external"


Published Date: 03 February 2009
SNP MSP for Central Fife Tricia Marwick has welcomed the decision of the Scottish Court Service to instigate an external investigation into the disappearance of the marked-up register from the Glenrothes by-election.
Ms Marwick, who raised concerns over the registers disappearance from the Sheriff Clerks office in Kirkcaldy said: "I welcome this swift action by the Scottish Court Service and their commitment to an independent investigation.

"Any investigation must be truly external and not conducted by anyone involved in the court or the running of the election itself.

"The SNP first requested the marked-up register in November less than two weeks after the election took place.

"This investigation must explain why it was not available then and why it has taken two months for the Sheriff Clerk to admit it has disappeared.""

Seriously people, a marked up by-election register disappears from the Sheriff Clerks office in Kirkcaldy, and nobody is instantly accountable?
It reeks of secretive masonic lodges, insiders/moles or at the very least backhanders.

Accountability, you know? You have a job to do, you fail to do it or make a mess of it, you appear before your boss or senior to explain why or what went wrong; how it can be prevented from happening again ya know?

THAT is how it's always been in every job I've ever had; it's high time politicians, law enforcement agencies and the judicial services were subject to the same rules that WE are.

/end rant

 

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