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Published Date: 07 January 2008
GORDON Brown yesterday told MPs that they would have to settle for a pay rise of below 2 per cent to set an example to public-sector workers facing the same squeeze.
The Prime Minister said that Westminster parliamentarians and government ministers had to demonstrate the "discipline that we ask of other people".

He said breaking the back of inflation and keeping the economy on track would be a key indicator of why he should be re-elected in 2010.

Mr Brown also accused the Tories of "opportunism" on issues such as a new generation of nuclear power stations, new homes and new transport projects, like a third runway at London's Heathrow Airport.

And in an indication that he was ready to go to the wire before calling a general election, he said: "It's a long game. The issue for the next year is are we going to make the right long-term decisions? And I believe we will."

In a combative performance on Andrew Marr's Sunday AM programme, Mr Brown made it clear that he was not ready to back down over staged pay increases for police and nurses in England, despite the fact full pay rises had been given in Scotland.

The Prime Minister said that keeping public pay below inflation was vital to ensuring the UK economy came through a difficult year. And he said

that his government would not shirk "tough choices", even if the easy option was a relatively good alternative.

Mr Brown also made it clear that he was ready to back a new generation of nuclear power stations – expected to be announced by John Hutton, the Business Secretary, next week – and would not allow short-term pressures of "events" to deter him from ensuring the long-term economic stability of the UK. He denied allegations that he was a "ditherer" and that Tory leader David Cameron's message was, in the words of Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, "resonating with the public".

However, Mr Brown's starkest message was to MPs, many of whom believe that a recommendation by the Senior Salaries Pay Review Board (SSRB) – that they should have a 2.8 per cent increase on their current £60,675-a-year salary – should be approved by the Commons.

While he accepted it was for his colleagues to vote at Westminster on the final decision, the Prime Minister said: "My recommendation is that for all the significant pay increases that were recommended by the SSRB, government ministers must have a rate-of-pay increase that is below 2 per cent – 1.9 per cent.

"My recommendation is, at the same time: that is what goes for MPs. We must show exactly the same discipline that we ask of other people."

He stressed that 2008 would be "a decisive year for the economy", adding: We've got to take the right long-term choices this year."

Mr Brown said he would be judged, as would Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, by whether the right choices were taken.

However, George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, rejected the Prime Minister's claims that Britain was well placed to tackle tough economic times ahead.

He said: "It's no use Gordon Brown blaming the rest of the world. He should have used the good years to prepare us for the difficult years. But he failed."

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  • Last Updated: 06 January 2008 9:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Politicians' pay
 
1

walter,

07/01/2008 00:22:44
Maybe Brown believes they should but they won't, they will expect us to take the 1.2 to 1.8% that are offered but will vote themselves the full 2.8%.
Their names and how they vote should be mad public with in hour of the vote then they may accept a lower pay rise.
Also it is about time that members of more than one parliament/assembly/lords should only be paid one salary.
2

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07/01/2008 00:49:04
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3

Colin B,

Bearsden 07/01/2008 00:54:32
If he was serious he have a three line whip on his MPs and he'd get his way- but he's not serious just pontificating
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 07/01/2008 05:02:29
The expenses that MPs receive should be taken into account when deciding cost of living pay rises, after all what living costs do the majority of them actually pay. Ditto the MSPs, maybe the new Scottish Government will show some leadership, or is this one aspect of Westminsters powers that Holyrood do not wish devolved to Scotland which will enable them to say "it wisnae me".
5

Jim A,

07/01/2008 05:09:10
So even if the MP's were to accept the 1.9% pay rise that still brings it out at roughly 96 quid a month. Hey I wouldn't mind a 96 quid a month pay rise. My heart bleeds for them. Not
6

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07/01/2008 06:52:54
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conservative,

Fife 07/01/2008 07:41:03
Can we expect their 'expenses', second home subsidies and other assorted backhanders to be restricted to a 1.9% rise as well? As here in Scotland we have MSPs and MEPs guzzling from the trough as well as the common-or-garden MP.
8

El Sabio,

South Africa 07/01/2008 08:07:02
"Greed is good" said Gordon Gekko

All the animals are equal but some are more equal than others
9

sceptic,

07/01/2008 08:46:21
We have seen all this nonsense before. Brown posturing on a salary increase which he knows perfectly well will be rejected on the vote by MPs. As usual the snouts will be dipping to maximum depth into the public purse.
10

WMSART,

MUSSELBURGH 07/01/2008 08:47:42
NO PAY RISE
11

thinking,

Scotland 07/01/2008 09:03:46
If he really wants to show equality then he should abolish final salary and early pensions for all government employees, including MPs, MSPs.
That would really bring them more in line with everyone else and would give them more respect.
I can't see them doing it though. Their noses are too deep in the trough!!!
12

Homo Sapiens,

07/01/2008 09:32:36
Politicians are the only people in this country deciding their own salaries! This self-serving and inequitable system must be changed. Compensation practices of the Private sector, where pay is determined by performance, and by the Shareholders would be a good model to follow for the Politicians, and elected officials. Let the compensation of politicians be directly tied to their performance. A small base salary, sufficient for them to sustain their households, supplemented by a performance based bonus to be determined by a voter selected committee, based on clearly transparent performance measures and approved in an annual vote by the constituents... Voting does not have to be expensive, time consuming anymore, and politicians will be barred from "campaigning" for the pay packages.

Brown's Hypocricy is incredible, having presided over the single largest inflationary pay increase for the public sector, and politicians, is now trying to do an "about face" and present himself to the electorate as the "hard" man who keeps an eye on expenditure... what a joke! This man lost every bit of credibility that was still left after his 10 years of mismanaging the economy...
13

Jimmy the Pie,

07/01/2008 09:37:21
Will Wendy get a pay rise even though she's on the run and could best be described as a "fugitive from justice"??
Are her wages being wired abroad??
Where is she??
14

Katty,

Bannockburn 07/01/2008 09:38:45


The Nerve! The Absolute Nerve. of these clowns to even expect a pay rise.

Think Douglas Alexander looking for a pay rise!!!!
Where are my blood pressure tablets!!!!
15

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 07/01/2008 10:21:07
Wendy has been told by Gordon to keep her mooth shut..........otherwise her fit will be in it again............pair wee ewe
16

Queen D,

Glasgow 07/01/2008 10:24:21
Those looking for Ms Alexander should read the Sunday Times,it looks as if she has been exonerated.
Just a wee mistake!
However the Electoral Commission has yet to investigate other donors-or will they all think that we have forgotten??
Computer company,Crossrail and that friend of Mr Sarwar.
17

U. Lukenatmepal?,

07/01/2008 11:00:28
Simple. Sack half of the MPs (actually I would prefer humane executions, but you can't have everything) re-draw the constituency boundaries, and pay the rest double. Put some strong conditions about honesty and transparency into the contracts of those who remain. Then sack a few more, 'pour encourager les autres'. Sorted.
18

Jimmy the Pie,

07/01/2008 11:01:50
There should be an appeal to shop Wendy. Someone must know where she and her criminal cohorts are holed up?? She might have fled the country and I have heard rumours that she is holed up at a hoose in Downing Street, London. What about an early morning raid there?
19

morris,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 11:19:42

SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC......................but its time the facts were known...................
From the Register of Interests for Alex Salmond...

I am the Member of Parliament for Banff and Buchan, and receive between £60,001 - £65,000 per annum. My UK parliamentary allowances and expenses are publicly available and can be accessed at www.parliament.uk

I consistently rank in the top ten hardest working Scottish MPs based on data from the Parliamentary Online Information System (POLIS). This encompasses speeches in the Chamber, tabling of Motions and the submission of Written and Oral Questions.

Under the terms of the Scotland Act, as a sitting member of the House of Commons I receive one third of the salary due to me as a Member of the Scottish Parliament. Since 4 May 2007, I have been paying that gross salary to a charitable trust entitled ‘The Mary Salmond Trust’ which has been set up to provide financial assistance to individuals and organisations in North East Scotland.

Further information can be obtained from; Roddy McColl on 01224 313 473, email: mccoll.associates@bt
internet.com.

20

Phil C,

07/01/2008 11:20:13
'The Herald' quotes some joker back-bencher saying that Polish plumbers get paid more than MPs.

I know 2 Polish plumbers and I can tell you that they both work really hard, but earn much less than MPs!

The back-bencher's probably talking about a Polish plumber he knows who has a business which gives to Labour (maybe from abroad?) and in return gets to fix the toilets in the House of Commons!! With the amount of sh*te that comes out of Westminster, I'm sure the loos need plenty maintenance. And just another fat-cat Labour donor getting even fatter at our expense!
21

Number 6,

Germany 07/01/2008 11:55:18
#22 Morris have you the entry for fugitive Alexander to hand?.Where has the haridan disappeared to. Has she got bored with Scotland and it's politics? or has she simply seen the writing on the wall. For all we know she could have resigned and Maggie brown is too terrified to release her resignation letter.
22

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 11:58:04
To develop the point made at #4, if Stalin Broon really wants to put the fear of god into his assorted rag-bag of semi-educated hangers-on, all he has to do is make his call for pay restraint a vote of confidence. With his finger poised over the Big Red 'Election' Button, and his other hand round their collective b@llocks, would the turkeys vote for an early Christmas? We should all be so lucky.
23

thinking,

Scotland 07/01/2008 12:03:48
#22
' I have been paying that gross salary to a charitable trust'
That's very laudable of him but all it means is that the taxpayer is paying to the charitable trust as his salary(s) come from the taxpayer.
24

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/01/2008 12:29:08
26. Indeed. So what. The alternative was he took the salary (as Donald Dewar, Jim Wallace et al did)
25

Redfive,

Commendable or a ruse ? 07/01/2008 12:30:47
Does anyone know how many pence in the pound is paid out in running costs for this charity and how much is swallowed by family employees working for the 'charity' , also which hand picked beneficiaries have recieved funds for what and how much ? Sorry to all but i am deeply cynical towards all politicians especialy ones with their own charity, like tony bliar. Time after time we discover very little benefit to anyone except the trustess and close friends, this is also true of many charities who can legaly dispence as little as 10-20 pence in the pound for monies received.
26

kimba,

07/01/2008 13:00:22
Well said gordy,as for the illustrious mr salmond he and the rest of his scottish brethren should give westminster back to it's rightful owner,i.e THE ENGLISH.
27

OscarMacApfel,

Dumropolis 07/01/2008 13:20:49
Hee hee, as the subject has come up again. This is another example of FM Salmond's "cleverness at every corner" the salary he donates to the Mary Salmond Trust gives him a tax break. Genius!
28

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 07/01/2008 14:06:15
Another test for 'The Bottler'! Will he impose his will on the parliament, or will they vote it through anyway, and he, the Prince of Clerkness, can then shrug his shoulders and walk away saying, "It wisnae me, eh!"
29

thinking,

Scotland 07/01/2008 15:23:59
#27
'The alternative was he took the salary (as Donald Dewar, Jim Wallace et al did)'
you forgot another alternative.
As he is being paid for more than one job but can't work more hours That means he can't do each job fully so then, why not take the pay for one job. He would still have an income and pension that most of us dream of, and would save us some money at the same time.
30

K_Toepfer,

Bothell 07/01/2008 15:58:15
#20 U. Lukenatmepal?,

You wrote "…I would prefer humane executions, but you can't have everything." Although you may not be able to have everything, you can have more than you think. If you invert your preference for "humane" executions (or, alternatively, replace "humane" with "inhumane"), it would, at minimum, "encourage the others" toward the desired behaviour. ;-)
31

Eve,

07/01/2008 16:18:41
"He said breaking the back of inflation and keeping the economy on track would be a key indicator of why he should be re-elected in 2010."


OOOO oooooooooooooooooooo, NOT another 2years and 5mounths of this nonces.

How much do MPs get paid any way?
According to the Westminster government's web page they get paid £60,675 each a year, The PM gets paid an extra £188,849 and the members of the cabinet get paid an extra £137,579.

£60,675 is a lot more than your average Scot gets paid, most of us are lucky if we can find work that pays at least £14,000 a year.

I'm with the people who commented earlier about them no getting a pay raise this year. I also don't think they should entitled to so many expenses, as they have been. £60,675 is enough money to pay for every thing them and there family need.
http://www.parliament.uk/faq/members_faq_page2.cfm

#32 thinking: Keep on thinking and have a wee look at the above website. I'm sure Salmond doesnt make any where near what PM Brown makes. And at least with the charitable donation wage goes to Scotland and will benefit some of our communities.

You should also read the geussed voclised artcle in the Sunday Herald yeasterday from the former man incharge of the oil industry.
32

Eve,

Scotland 07/01/2008 16:51:55
#37 Col. Blimp IV*: Ehhh, Couldn't remeber what his former position was BUT I remeber thinking it was prity high up .

Unfourunetly I'm having a realy bad dyselixa day the day and am there fore confused by what you are on about!!!!

I'm sure theres a sutle diffrences in the spelling of words somewhere in the sentence which changes the meaning BUT I'm no seeing it!!!!!

What does :0) mean (Am I right in thinking it means "oh my god"!!!!)
33

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfropolis 07/01/2008 17:04:25
# 38

Eve, I say, I say, I say, did you hear about the dyslexic pimp?


He put all his money into a warehouse.
34

Eve,

Scotland 07/01/2008 17:10:08
#36 Rulesbutnotrulers: The Job center would be giving them tax credits. This is what really confuse me about min wage the job center wants unemployed people to look for work that pays at least min wage BUT min wage isn't enough to live on and the job center and the government now this. They even know that if you were to make an extra £1,000 or 2 above min wage a year isn't enough to live on, so they hand out work credits to people who get payed very little.

MPs shouldn't be getting tax credit, no one should because the min wage should be higher, it's about a decade (may be even pushing 15years) behind in the money terms.

I do not wish for the MP's to be struggling with a wage they idiotically like to pretend to think that it's enough for someone to live on. Because they'd spend more time worrying about how they are going to survive, how there going to afford there journey to London and back to their contingency's.

I'd think it might be fare on everyone if they 1/2end their wages. They are supposed to represent us (I very much dought my Labour MP is though BUT some areas MP's do, do represent their Constancy's well.

I think with the travel expenses that it should be like SAAS policy in giving money of students for traveling, they say the 1st (or they did about 5years ago) £150 of the travel expenses is covered in the Student loan (Great, £150 that your going to have to pay back is part of your expenses) In Westminster I propose that the MP's have to pay the 1st £5,000 in travel expense out of their wages given that they earn over £60,000.
35

Eve,

07/01/2008 17:18:00
#39 OscarMacApfel: NO sorry I dodn't get it!!!!


BUT at least I can spell my Location unlike you "Dumfropolis" Is that Dumfries Polis!!!

Or On second thought is this a picture ;) and profile of you? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=61676166
36

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 07/01/2008 17:54:32
Tsk, silly Eve! Dumfropolis is the Roman name for Dumfries.
37

Eve,

Scotland 07/01/2008 18:02:40
#41 Col. Blimp IV*: Have you no seen this!!!

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Boyling-Point.3645730.jp

Though I supose it doesn't suprise many of us!!!
38

Eve,

Scotland 07/01/2008 18:11:07
43 OscarMacApfel: I don't think that widely known, personally I didn't do history at School Nor did I go to school in Dumfries, which explains why I've never heard of this and it doesn't appear to be well known on the Internet either.

It's not right to label me in such a negative way because I never got your non-funny joke!!!!

I was joking when I was talking about your location, I knew that you had deliberately spelt it that way, for one way or another!!!!
39

Andrew Allan,

07/01/2008 18:12:46
I really do love this rubbish, when figures for wage increases are banded about in percentages. It should be obvious to those on wages which are on the small side, that a 1.9% increase in the money they receive, against a 1.9% the MPs would get would indeed increase the gap between the rich and the poor even more than it is now.
40

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 07/01/2008 18:18:24
#45 Eve, I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. There was no intention to mock you or label you in a negative way.

The joke funny or not was one I heard the other day there, I thought you might appreciate it...wrong. I apologise for upsetting you.

41

Eve,

Scotland 07/01/2008 19:13:16
#46 Andrew Allan,: To right 1.9% of the average MP's salary (£60,675) is £1152.825 per year.

I wonder if this raise is also on the addtional wage of PM and Cabient member!!! I'm geussing it is!!! NO wonder the Tories aren't happy about this. They wish they were in power.
42

puskas,

East Kilbride 07/01/2008 20:41:57
This is a con from Maggie.

43

Rainbow,

Australia 07/01/2008 20:47:20
1.9% ??? Not bad, considering that frozen pensioners get 0.0%

44

morris,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 23:29:50
32

You would save NOTHING because the money would then be paid to the MP who replaced him, and would actually INCREASE to the full salary . Primary school arithmetic for God sake!He saved you money, and benefited the local people !

Salmond like most people,expected a General election to be called, because every day Broon delays the gap widens.The local SNP are adopting/ or already have in place a candidate as I understand it.
The problem was that he (Alex Salmond) never dreamed that Gordon Broon would have to hang fire,because the local word in Fife is he could LOSE HIS OWN SEAT and not even be an MP ,never mind a PM !

Reality is a great ally !
45

morris,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 23:36:50
51 Indeed ,and whilst I sympathise with our pensioners plight,as would anybody with a degree of decency left,the sad fact is many, if not most, support the retention of the UK,and that means one of the lowest pension provisions in Europe.

They voted Labour They got Labour !

I hate to think of our old people in oil rich Scotland having to juggle their pensions to meet with the huge rises in fuel prices which will happen any day now, but we are a democracy,and one of the properties of a democracy is you get presumably a government which reflects the electorate(or worse still one that does not even do that)!Guess which one we have got!

 

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