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Published Date: 24 December 2007
MSPs are in line for a bumper pay rise of more than £5,000 over three years – thanks to their Westminster colleagues.
House of Commons MPs are seeking a series of above-inflation pay rises which will boost their salaries by almost 10 per cent over the next three years.

The Senior Salaries Review Body (SSRB) is understood to be recommending an increase in MPs' pa
y from the current £60,675 to about £66,500 in 2011.

Thanks to MSPs' personal "Barnett Formula", that increase will feed through to Holyrood representatives, boosting their salaries from £53,090 now to £58,188 in three years' time.

The only obstacle is Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, who is determined to oppose the pay increase at a time when public servants are being told to accept below-inflation rises of less than 2 per cent annually.

However, many MPs are determined to vote the increase through when it comes before the Commons early next year.

The SSRB recommendation will go to Mr Brown early next year and will be followed by a Westminster vote. An alliance of senior Labour and Tory backbenchers is determined to vote it through, despite the opposition of Mr Brown and Alistair Darling, the Chancellor.

The SSRB bases MPs' pay on that of senior civil servants. It was originally suggested that MPs should lose the right to vote on their own salaries and leave the issue entirely up to the SSRB but the idea was dropped.

In 2002, MSPs agreed to lose the right to vote on their own pay and tied their salaries to 87.5 per cent of a Westminster MP's pay.

This means that any increase in pay for Commons members automatically feeds through to MSPs in the same way that increases in main English department spending are reflected in the Westminster block grant to the Scottish Government under the Barnett Formula.

A Downing Street spokesman said last night: "The Prime Minister feels there should be pay discipline across the public sector, and that includes MPs.

"He will be in the Commons for the debate and make his views known."

Westminster sources said that, privately, Mr Brown and Mr Darling are seething over the issue, and Mr Brown is understood to have told some Labour MPs that they are being selfish.

One Labour back-bencher, who asked not to be named, said: "Our pay has fallen further behind other similar groups and we are not prepared to put up with it any longer. We earn less than some Polish plumbers, and that can't be right."

The SSRB, which has been conducting a three-yearly study of MPs' pay and allowances on behalf of the government, was last night unavailable for comment.

The move comes as Mr Brown and Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, face criticism from police in England and Wales for effectively reducing their pay rise to below 2 per cent by refusing the backdate it to 1 September. The move has fuelled talk of industrial action by police officers.

Jan Berry, who chairs the Police Federation in England and Wales, said: "My main argument is with Gordon Brown, but MPs need to take into account what other groups are getting. For MPs, explaining to police officers why they need such a large pay rise will be very difficult."

THE RATE FOR THE JOB

Average UK salary: £23,774

IT project manager: £40,864

Software engineer: £28,825

Higher education lecturer: £42,000

Police superintendents: £56,274–£65,565

Police chief constables: £114,735–£163,908

Junior doctors: £20,000–£25,000

General practitioners: £102,000

Head teachers: £34,938–£74,841

Whitehall permanent secretaries : £139,740–£273,000

Newly qualified nurses: £19,600

Council chief executives: £100,000 plus



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  • Last Updated: 23 December 2007 11:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Politicians' pay
 
1

beckypumps1,

fife 24/12/2007 00:14:22
Will the Scottish MPs have theirs backdated or would that cause confusion to be out of step with London. Anyone have any ideas on how you would score a MPs performance.
2

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24/12/2007 01:49:24
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bill inch,

EDINBURGH 24/12/2007 02:00:10
Whats the odds that Margo Mcdonald will be up for this
4

A Better Way,

24/12/2007 02:12:12
Pity the headline above this particular article on mentions MSP's who have no control over a rise. I suppose the Hootsman is just trying to protect the Westminster MP's.

If we combine the base salary with the expenses, MP's who in the words of Foulkes sake do very little work now in Westminster are on a good wicket. No wonder these scumbags want us to stay part of the UK. Its the ultimate reward for a London Controlled New Labour Party drone. Dont get me wrong its a good fiddle getting there, with lots of brown envelopes the further up the ladder you get.

Lets hope the SNP MP's in Westminster continue to vote against salary increases. Perhaps Wendy, Nicol and Annabel follow Alex's lead and donate any rise to an INDEPENDANT CHARITY. Could be a great help for disadvantaged drug addicts.
5

Miss Jean Brodie,

24/12/2007 02:31:55
Let’s get everybody in the country on the same wage - taht way - you would only choose the job you want to do - think about it!
6

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 24/12/2007 04:56:44
The Barnett Formula, better known as the "I'm alright Jack Formula.

Anyone out there know of any Polish plumbers on £61,000 a year?

Anyone know any Plumbers, Polish or otherwise on seventeen weeks (over four months) paid holiday?

Hungry gutted, underworked nest featherers who will doubtless get away with it.
7

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 05:21:41
Anyone know of a Labourtory MP or MSP who would be able to command a £50k+ salary in the real world?

8

Anne,

Eaglesham 24/12/2007 06:46:54
Polish plumbers are of some use to the community!
9

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/12/2007 06:52:51
#4 If you are so keen on capital letters for your slogans, learn to spell the word most important to you.
10

sceptic,

24/12/2007 07:47:58
"We earn less than some Polish plumbers, and that can't be right."
Except, of course, that the Polish plumbers are doing a useful job.
11

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24/12/2007 07:48:21
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sceptic,

24/12/2007 07:56:25
"Our pay has fallen further behind other similar groups"
Perhaps MP's salaries should be tied to the general level of prosperity in the country, just like pensioners for example. At 600%, plus another tax free 1200% in expenses, of the state retirement pension they seem to be well paid.
13

McMillar,

Fife 24/12/2007 08:31:47
How Much ?
That’s Cheap!
14

JG,

Fife 24/12/2007 09:02:35
They don't deserve the pay they are getting now. What a bunch of talentless, vacuous, self opinionated wastes of my money!
15

Toast,

24/12/2007 09:06:34
General Strike if this goes through starting with the police and army,this bunch of clowns have taken the p*ss for far to long
16

W Smith,

Middle East 24/12/2007 09:20:26
Depending on your profession some employers may demand the following:

1) University degree as mininmum qualification.

2) The best payers demand top degree passes like first class (1) or second class upper limit (2:1).

3) Even then to get into the 50 grand a year bracket the employer may ask for 5 to 10 years experience.

4) For non-degree holders the employer may want 5 to 10 years management experience on your CV before calling you for interview for this kind of salary.

5) Employers willing to train workers for high salary positions may not bother calling the applicant with a poncy philosohpy degree they are more likely to call the Engineering graduate.

6) The Scots in the Oil and Gas industry don't always need degrees but they're willing to put in 60 hour weeks and work in S&*^ holes all over the world. Same goes for those in construction.

All things considered, these work-shy, over paid, half-educated, politically correct, 'multicultural' MSPs would be better staying in Scotlands cushy public sector where nobody gets sacked.

Life in the private sector would be a shock to the system.
17

Unimpressed one,

24/12/2007 09:27:10
What other job can you be completly unqualified, and then command a fat salary, expenses and pension?
18

Boy Wonder,

24/12/2007 09:45:02
And so the great divide between the rich and the poor grows ever wider!

Meanwhile ... as these pay-rises are to be given to those who least deserve them ... plans to make those amongst us who are sick and disabled rejoin the workforce, proceed apace.

One of my near neighbours has a serious heart condition and is unable to work ... yet a letter popped through her letterbox last week, telling her if she doesn't go to an appointment to assess her ability to work ... she will lose her benefits. She's 56!

That's the problem with the country today ... too many politicians are divorced from the real world!

19

Teamdroid,

24/12/2007 09:49:33
"Mr Brown is understood to have told some Labour MPs that they are being selfish."

To which they replied "Well, DUH!"
20

watcher4,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 09:52:55
Parasites the lot of them
21

mr chips,

24/12/2007 09:59:44
Greedy bastards
22

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 24/12/2007 10:38:34
Can anyone out there, preferably an MSP, explain to me the justification in MSPs getting 17 weeks paid annual leave?

I've tried extremely hard to work out why they are deserving of such a generous holiday allocation but it just doesen't add up...........perhaps i'm thick or something.

I wondered what would happen if the likes of ASDA, First Bus or even John Lewis were to pay their staff 17 weeks leave............I came to the conclusion they would go out of business.

I've heard some MSPs claim they are very very busy.
With time off like that they would surely have to be busy.

I work in close proximity to Holyrood and work rotating shifts.

I can assure the readers I have yet to witness droves of MSPs spilling out the building late at night or beating a path to the doors early morning.
23

Rob - Honest Toun,

Musselburgh 24/12/2007 10:39:47
Haes onybody noticed that the fowk that decides on whit pey increase MPs gets is the same anes that decides whit the state pension is tae be? Daes onybody mind o the 75p a week rise pensioners got twa three year syne?
Wad it no be better if MP's an MSP's salaries wis realistically linked tae the basic state pension an vice-versa then baith jobs cuid be duin at the same time insteid o wastin resources bi daein the job twice?
24

JG,

Fife 24/12/2007 10:50:19
#23 Jingling Geordie
"I've heard some MSPs claim they are very very busy"

Doing what, I wonder? Ensuring that they don't miss out anything on their expenses claim forms? Working out how big a second accomodation house they can afford off our money? Thinking about where to go on holiday during their 17 weeks leave? What a bunch of chancers!!
25

James,

Dundee 24/12/2007 10:58:55
There should be a maximum of 2 terms for all MPs or MSPs.
This should not be a career, but a privelige to represent the people.

That way they would have to return to the real world.

This would also give the opportunity for others to represent their communities - bringing fresh ideas.

Keeping everyone on their toes!

26

Kipling,

24/12/2007 11:36:25
A short short term contract eh, James?
27

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 24/12/2007 12:09:47
I bet this is one piece of UK legislation Mr Salmond and his croneys won't want to highlight where Scotland should be different from the rest of the UK, or will he?

Answers perhaps should be best placed in a brown envelope please?

I wouldn't mind so much if being an MP or MSP or whatever was considered a full time job but so many have extra curricular positions that one really has to wonder what they are being paid for most of the time. Mr Salmond of course has 3 jobs, all publicly funded despite the fact he is never at Westminster these days. Its pretty clear that being an MP wearing SNP clothes is a "no job" in his opinion, so can we expect them to decline to contest the next General election?
28

Steve,

Bo'ness 24/12/2007 12:30:19
This has got nothing to do with the SNP, you Liberal numpty. Looking forward to your irrelevant and opportunistic party falling further into oblivion very very soon!
29

U. Lukenatmepal?,

24/12/2007 13:08:20
#5, whatever you're drinking, I'll have some please.

I used to know students with views like yours. Nowadays, with their nice white-collar salaries and perks, they think very differently. The inconvenient truth is, people are driven by aspiration for self-improvement, not by some holier-than-thou desire for mediocrity. Communism is a theory best left in the textbooks: it simply does not work in practice with real human beings. I challenge you to name a single successful example of it that may have eluded the rest of us.

Time you had a real job, methinks. Not a Brown public sector MacJob, a real job, with real targets.
30

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 13:39:46
From list above, obvious that Labours big failing has been to allow GPs over £100k! There is an extended qualifying period, but the new contracts mean can earn double that when take on some private work and can't get them out of hours now. Big mistake.
31

James,

Dundee 24/12/2007 13:43:56
#27 Mr Kipling

5-10 years Short Term?

Who in the private sector has such security?
32

Walter Ego,

Durness 24/12/2007 14:07:00
A pay rise and a Council Tax freeze? They'll be quids in.
33

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 24/12/2007 16:26:37
# 30 - aye you are of course correct so I take it the SNP MSP's (who want nothing to do with anything remotely associated with Westminster) will be turning the pay rise down? Aye that'll be you right again you SNP gnazionalist!
34

mr chips,

24/12/2007 20:26:41
35 Liberal for life,
Idiot.
35

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25/12/2007 07:03:24
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 25/12/2007 09:32:19
Real reason this bunch of semi-educated cretins (Labour, Westminster) want a big pay-rise as soon as possible is they know the skids are already under them. The more dosh they can grab now, the better their gold-plated, final-salary non-contributory inflation-proof-pension-for-life (paid for by the taxpayer) will be when the electorate sling them out. Maybe Big Gordy Stalin should make his call for pay restraint a vote of confidence and threaten to call a General Election if he loses. Now that WOULD be a Christmas Present!!!

 
  

 
 


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