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Published Date: 12 March 2008
THE controversial scheme which helps some MSPs buy homes in the Scottish capital at the public's expense should be scrapped, a review body said yesterday.
MSPs from far-flung areas of the country should continue to be able to claim for renting flats or staying in hotels in Edinburgh – but not for paying mortgage interest.

The recommendation came in the report of an independent review body set up t
o scrutinise MSPs' allowances.

Several MSPs have bought houses using the scheme under current rules.

But Sir Alan Langlands, who led the review, said: "What's wrong with it is that I don't think it's a proper use of public money."

His report, which has been submitted to Holyrood officials, recommends an overhaul of allowances and the way MSPs' staff are paid.

MSPs should not be allowed to lease accommodation from close relatives, and they should be required to register if they are employing a close family member. Meanwhile, parliamentarians' car mileage rates should be cut from 49.3p a mile to 40p.

However, recommendations to put MSPs' staff onto new pay scales could cost an extra £1.25 million a year.

The review panel headed by Sir Alan, principal and vice-chancellor of Dundee University and former chief executive of the NHS in England, was set up last June to carry out a full-scale review of Holyrood's parliamentary allowances.

The Edinburgh accommodation allowance, worth up to £11,400 a year, is by far the most controversial of the allowances available and has led to accusations that MSPs are making big profits with taxpayers' help in Edinburgh's booming property market, even though they were acting within the rules.

Mike Rumbles, the MSP for West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, used the publicly funded Edinburgh accommodation allowance – which helps MSPs to buy property in Edinburgh – to race up the property ladder, purchasing three flats in eight years.

Meanwhile, Tavish Scott, the former transport minister and MSP for Shetland, was claiming £979 a month from the taxpayer to cover the costs of a mortgage and other bills on a house in the city's Morningside area.

Sir Alan's report recommends scrapping the allowance's mortgage interest provisions at the end of the current parliament in 2011.

The panel's report states: "Criticism of the existing arrangements has been widespread and persistent.

In the circumstances, we believe that the status quo is not an option in any new scheme, especially if the new scheme is to command the confidence of the public."

Alternatives such as parliament officials clawing back some of the profits on the sale of a property, or buying homes and leasing them out to MSPs, are considered in the report, but rejected on practical grounds.

Recommending that the mortgage interest concession be scrapped, the report said that it failed the test that MSPs should not be seen to benefit from a scheme that enabled them to make a "substantial" profit.

However, it acknowledges "short-term difficulties" could be caused to MSPs currently claiming the allowance by its immediate abolition, and recommends a transition period lasting for the remaining life of this parliament.

Last night, Alex Fergusson, the Scottish Parliament's Presiding Officer, said: "We agree with the panel that greater public confidence in a new scheme is essential."

MP RECEIPT LIMIT IS CUT

MPs will have to submit receipts for expenses claims over £25 – instead of the current limit of £250 – the Commons members estimate committee announced yesterday.

The committee also said the amount of petty cash MPs can draw for office expenses would be reduced from £250 to £50 per month.

In a report published as part of its review of MPs' allowances, the committee, chaired by Michael Martin, the Speaker, said: "The members estimate committee has instructed the Department of Resources that, with effect from 1 April, 2008, no claim against allowances of £25 or more per item will be reimbursed unless accompanied by a receipt."



The full article contains 665 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

J J MAROONER,

12/03/2008 00:10:35
Short term difficulties?, these people should try living in the real world.
2

Fanling,

Guangdong 12/03/2008 00:49:07
In Edinburgh and in London, there should be hostel-type accommodation for those greedy b*stards who lie and cheat the people who put them there: the electorate.

What's wrong with a reasonable hotel-like place of accommodation that doesn't rip holes in taxpayers' hard-earned contributions? As for allowances, let them use the public transport they are always advocating the plebs should do. Until I perceive honesty in public life (dream on), I will always attack mealy- mouthed politicians who enrich themselves to the disadvantage of the voters whose franchise gave them the Alladin's cave that too many of them plunder with impunity.
3

subrosa,

12/03/2008 00:52:09
This should have been scrapped years ago. Would be interesting to see all the stats since the Parliament opened.
4

J J MAROONER,

12/03/2008 01:13:07
Maybe we should allow Travelodge to build a huge no frills outlet next to the Parliament.
5

Guga II,

Rockall 12/03/2008 02:04:09
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We should build hostel style accomodation for both MP's and MSP's. The buildings should belong to the taxpayers, and thus avoiding having these people making huge profits at the public's expense.

As to such hostel accomodation not being suitable for their families, tough. There are plenty of people in this country that have to work away from home. Why should MP's and MSP's be any different. Moreover, given the hours they "work", they would have ample time to go home to see their families.

It is long past time that we stopped these overpaid, underworked numpties from lining their pockets at the taxpayers expense. They have been had their snouts in the trough for far too long.
6

gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 02:42:24
Given London property prices any profit made by MSP's must pale into insignificance compared with the fortunes made by Westminster MP's.

If MSP's are forced to rent it would cost the taxpayer more than a mortgage - buy-to-let landlords take out mortgages on the basis that the rental income will exceed mortgage and other payments.

If an MSP needs a property in Edinburgh why shouldn't that be purchased by the Government and held by it - after all, plenty companies own houses used by their employees.
7

Mallory,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 04:31:12
There is plenty of hostel accomodation already in the city - as an alternative buy a hundred and thirty single room apartments in one of the numerous 'developments' throughout the city and issue one to each MSP - to be relinquised when they leave office.

Putting em all in one block would be a great way to keep an eye on them and they could share taxis...
8

Solidarity supporter,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 06:35:55
What about congratulating Tommy Sheridan who first brought this scam to public attention 8 years ago when no other MSP would raise it, campaigned against, researched the extent of it and forced Jack McConnell and George Reid to come out against it and to set up the review which has led to its demise.It was not a popular campaign with the MSPs as 55 of them were benefitting from this scam and from all other political parties including the Greens
9

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 12/03/2008 07:00:56
Well done Tommy, let's now hear about all those troughers who employ close relatives with taxpayers cash.
10

J J MAROONER,

12/03/2008 08:32:56
Never in the history of human greed have so few claimed so much for doing so little.

I take it it is to much to expect Mike Rumbles and others who have climbed the property ladder aided by the public purse to give something back?

PS - I know a publicly owned accommodation block that is lying empty - a high rise block in Sighthill, why not?
11

donald,

glasgow 12/03/2008 08:37:39
Build public school type dormitories for the chaps and chapesses. Anyone caught sneaking miniatures into the hall could be caned or reported to the Strathclyde Police, who could make a quick dash across the M8 for lengthy interrogation sessions and then have them suspended by their employers without trial.
12

Linda,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 08:51:48
Scotsman Story misses the other big recommendation.

Given his New Labour credentials is Sir Alan Langlands being impartial by denying List MSPs the same staffing allowances than Constituency MSPs
(Most of whom are Labour)?

This was the kind of stuff Labour came out with in 1999
13

Roy,

12/03/2008 09:08:29
Get Stelios to build an EasyHotel next to the carbunkle. £25 a night.
14

Paddi,

12/03/2008 09:20:28
Why do we have to wait till 2011 before this stops???
15

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/03/2008 09:26:01
True justice would be to force these 'snout in trough' MSPs to sell their illegally bought second homes and give the money back to the taxpayer. Can we have a list of all MSPS who have bought second homes in Edinburgh and how much of the taxpayer's cash they have pocketed? Can we have a list of all MSPs who employ family members in their offices? Can we have a list of all MSPs who employ each other's relatives as a way of avoiding scrutiny?
There are a lot of dirty little trotters in the trough.
16

Gothic Rose,

12/03/2008 10:20:15
Given the opportunity,How many here on-line would not exploit a given situation for all its worth.?
17

Socrates2,

12/03/2008 11:01:10
roll up roll up

buy some palatial properties now folks we are going to have a good rental market for them,
the MSPs snouts are out of the trough but their allowance is not cut so the cash is going to go in someone else's trough.

taxpayer doesn't mind making someone else rich so long as they are reasonably unseen.
those dizzy academics will have MSPs claiming more on rent than they did on mortgage interest so its easy money for the rental sector
:-)
that ex snp msp who hand properties will be rubbing his hands
18

Spicey,

Glasgow 12/03/2008 11:25:01
#7

Good idea, except a big yellow minbus to take them in in the morning instead of taxis.

#24

From a private company - yes i probably would, and know many that do, with milage etc. But these people are supposed to have such things as standards, morals, principles etc and not waste our money!
19

WKKB,

12/03/2008 11:32:56
Oh c'mon now... those guys are paid a whole H*ll of a lot more than most Scots. Let them buy their own house in the city. OR, since they're so set on allowing the rebuild of the area around the parliment building why don't they build a family hotel for use by these clowns while they're in office, but charge them. They don't let us get away with anything for free, why should they?
20

G,

dundy 12/03/2008 11:33:37
About time somehting was done about this - as usual the scheme was set up with good intentions but the politcos being unscrupulous bds pushed it to the limit of legality to make a fast buck.....NAME and SHAME them!
21

Kieron,

Stirling 12/03/2008 13:50:06
This makes my blood boil. Above comments are right, they should re-furb one of the many empty offices or shops units in the centre of Edinburgh and make them stay there. Is it any wonder we're short of cash in this country!
22

Robert,

Kirriemuir 12/03/2008 14:00:35
#8 Thanks for the mention of Tommy Sheridan who is currently being persecuted by those who feel threatened by his support for the public and his attack on public corruption. It is the corrupt who are seeking to crucify him. Long may he reign. Tommy for King as he is the only one who seems to speak my language.
23

Spicey,

Glasgow 12/03/2008 14:35:48
This is amazing, i believe all 4 people that actually voted for Tommy are on this thread. What are the chances of that?
24

Miss H,

12/03/2008 18:33:36
30 Technically I think he is being pursued for perjury. How much was it he won again? £200,0000?

That is not an inconsiderable amount of money. If there is a case to answer I am afraid he will have to answer it.

The Gail situation is a little different. Going after someone for having miniature bottles of alcohol is a bit daft and makes the law look stupid.
25

Miss H,

12/03/2008 18:38:16
On the subject of relatives on the payroll I think the fact that they are recommending an increase of £1.25 million for staff salaries would tend to indicate that staff have been underpaid rather than overpaid over the years. Perhaps that explains why some MSPs have been employing their partners.
26

Miss H,

12/03/2008 18:39:34
35 I don't think it matters. If it is alleged that someone has obtained £200,0000 by deception then I think that should be investigated. It doesn't matter who it is.
27

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 12/03/2008 18:48:05
The sooner the current system, both at Holyrood and at Westminster, is revamped to reflect how the rest of the people in society have to "get by" with one main residence the better. If someone wants a wee flat in Edinburgh rather than the B&B suggestion, which I reckon would suit some, then fine but they pay for it the same way anyone else has to fund it out of their own income.
28

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 12/03/2008 19:49:03
# 41 The (if) parliament will be heavily influenced by Islam, either directly or indirectly.

Indeed the outer walls are designed to be as protective as possible against IED and motor born suicide bombers. That is influence of possible fundamental Islamic attack.

There are soon to be foot wash baths installed for visitors and (future) MSP whose religion dictates such a need.
29

Evia,

12/03/2008 20:21:18
This mis-management, or theft, of the taxpayers' money should never have been allowed in the first place.
30

Solidarity supporter,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 20:38:10
Clarry you have been doing a great job since I last was online.To Miss H yes Tommy did win £200,000, the highest amount ever in a libel case in Scotland because a jury decide he was telling the truth and the News of the World was telling a pack of lies.However he hasnt seen a penny of it nor of his £30,000 costs since the NotW have appealed and the Lothians and Borders Police have decided to spend £1.15 million pounds of our money trying to do him for perjury.This is the first ever case of perjury resulting from a civil trial and we can only conclude that this is politically motivated by the police as is the charging of Gail for a few minatures of whisky.
31

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 12/03/2008 21:17:05
Money for this, Money for that. Allowances galore. From here, it looks as though those in government never have to put their hands in their own pockets. Surely the time must be getting close when, eventually, they will have to be subject to the reality checks forced upon every other worker in the land who has to make ends meet, with what they have.
32

Solidarity supporter,

Edinburgh 12/03/2008 21:49:58
Gday weeshooie how are things down the Gong I know a thing or two about Aussie pollies and they certainly know how to milk the system, do they still get free flights all over Australia and a parliament credit card?

 

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