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Polish incomers swell Good Friday congregations in city



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Published Date: 22 March 2008
MEMBERS of the Capital's Polish community helped swell numbers at services held across the city yesterday to mark Good Friday.
Hundreds gathered for mass at St Mary's Cathedral for services held in both English and Polish.

In recent years, the cathedral has employed a number of Polish priests in an attempt to reach out to new parishioners arriving from eastern Europe.

Yesterday, Father Tadeusz Puton conducted mass for several hundred Poles shortly after the day's main English ceremony.

It was standing room only as the faithful packed in to mark the day of Christ's crucifixion.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, leader of the Roman Catholic church in Scotland, was among those present.

He said Good Friday services in the Capital always led to a huge turnout.

"That's invariably the case for Good Friday," he said. "The Poles will have their own mass today but the rest is all Scots and some other visitors from around the world."

There are now four Polish priests in Edinburgh.

Every Sunday there are two Polish masses at St Mary's, each drawing about 1000 people.

In 2006, the Catholic Church in Scotland said its dwindling congregation had been bolstered by as many as 50,000 Polish immigrants.

Church officials reported an influx of thousands of new worshippers since Poland and other east European states joined the EU in 2004.

About 20,000 Poles now live in Edinburgh, and many of them are boosting church membership in the Capital.

Thousands more, including Slovaks and Slovenians, are attending mass in the Highlands and Aberdeen.

The Archdiocese of St Andrews and Edinburgh has teamed up with the Transport and General Workers' Union (T&G) to ensure Polish workers are not being exploited by their employers.

At St Mary's yesterday, a series of tributes had been left to Monsignor David Gemmell, who died suddenly after watching Celtic play Barcelona in Spain early this month.

Hundreds of mourners packed St Mary's for the funeral of a popular priest last week.

Among pictures of the priest drawn by schoolchildren were many tributes. One read "You were the best person I ever met", and another said "Dear God, please will you look after Father David."

Monsignor Gemmell was found dead in his hotel room. He had been watching the Glasgow club's Champions League match in Barcelona on March 4 the previous evening.

Parishioners, friends and family were shocked by the death of the 54-year-old, who had a history of heart trouble.

He took unwell after a meal with fellow priest, Father Hugh Purcell, and was found dead the following morning.

Monsignor Gemmell had recently accompanied Cardinal O'Brien on an official visit to China, Vietnam and Hong Kong.


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  • Last Updated: 22 March 2008 12:24 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Poles in Scotland
 
1

Unbending Atheist,

abuja 22/03/2008 11:06:40
Thank you to all our Polish friends for what you are bringing back to Scotland. You have no idea how valuable your Catholic faith is to this country. God bless you for your loving gift of true faith.
2

Icebreaker,

newbridge 22/03/2008 12:52:09
Reinforcing superstitions methinks
3

Robert,

Kirriemuir 22/03/2008 13:24:07
Okay, Cardinal O'Brien, we 'prodies' are being swallowed up by this influx but who knows, there may be another John Knox or possibly even a Martin Luther among them but, we are still better adherents at our communal religion of football!
4

Unbending Atheist,

abuja 22/03/2008 13:28:43
#2&3 = bigots
5

andos71,

midlothian 22/03/2008 14:48:49
im prodistant wifes catholic doesnt matter much in edinburgh were civil people here .ps sundays are great for me pub in peace
6

Unbending Atheist,

abuja 22/03/2008 15:12:21
#5 prodistant?

...illiterate, more like...
7

Unbending Atheist,

abuja 22/03/2008 15:15:55
#3

If, indeed, another Martin Luther came along, hopefully this time he won't be followed by a horde of schismatic opportunists who decided to form a breakaway church, which was never Fr Luther's intention...
8

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22/03/2008 15:21:48
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tomias,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 15:34:40
For the unintiataed here; the Roman Catholic Church is reconsidering the role of Father Luther in the Reformation and post Reformation period.
For any ill informed " Catholics" the Roam Church and the Orthodox both accept the primacy of the Pope- albeit the pre Vat 2 folk often object the the word Roman- ah me all the non Jesuit educated; poor souls/folk-at least the J's would not have tolerated their team going 37/8 million into the red!!!!
10

Unbending Atheist,

abuja 22/03/2008 15:45:26
#9

eh?
11

Robert,

Kirriemuir 22/03/2008 15:59:58
Unbending Atheist, it was not Martin Luther who started the Reformation as he was simply a rebel within the Roman church who started his own church and assumed the power of the Pope within that small enclave. The true reformist was John Calvin but, of course, the movement was well underway when he arrived on the scene. What many people choose to overlook is that he (and the Priest from Haddington, John Knox) was foremost in the advent of prebyterianism which has since impacted globally under the guise of democracy. The Covananters did not fight for religious freedom as the text books would have us believe (why should Christians fight among themselves on inconsequential matters of protocol). What those Covananters fought for was democracy! Interesting how history hides the truth and interesting too that Scotland was in the van of the movement. You call yourself an atheist while I see myself as anti-religious (not an agnostic) as I am aware of the spiritual dimension to life but regretfully, it is not as the religious would have us believe and hence the distinction. I have the feeling that this may ruffle a few feathers.
12

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22/03/2008 16:06:56
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Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 16:18:54
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
Put these words together to make well known phrase;
other family members,tabliod newspaper,scam six figured sum
14

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 16:19:51
ooppppppppps...............sorry wrong story
15

Calum Crubag,

22/03/2008 16:35:38
The forces of dark-age superstition and bigotry are still with us. Give these guys power, as we've seen in past centuries (decades in Eire) and we'll see gays being locked up (or executed), bans on contraception, sex before marriage (but child abusing priests will be quietly moved to another parish), ban on divorce and much of the scientific world labelled as heretics.

Backward Christian Soldiers.
16

Shark River,

New Jersey 22/03/2008 16:48:04
Re # 12 Unbending..you could learn something from Robert about the contribution of Scotland to the modern world. Scottish presbyterianism much more than the French Enlightenment gave nurture to the democratic impulse throughout the world. To acknowledge same takes nothing away from your professed catholicism of post # 1 but you have run out of ideas by #12 and resort to scatalogical insult of one of its seminal figures.
17

Robert,

Kirriemuir 22/03/2008 17:08:09
#15 Your concern is noted but the same applies to other religious callings and sadly to Scout Mastering (it also applies to other occupations). Recall Thomas Hamilton of the Dunblane massacre who had connections in this direction so don't be too pious about your own virtues or connections. The question that arises is does the person choose the job or does the job choose the person? This is not as silly as it may seem.
18

Shamus,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 18:52:41
They certainly needed an injection of fundamentalist Catholic Poles. They are a threat to democracy. Probably the most violent religion to hit the human race. Although another mob are doing their best to supercede them.
19

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22/03/2008 20:14:23
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 20:42:26
Andos #5........ No! I dont think you are a "prodistant", I think you are a f@cking idiot!
21

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 20:57:18
#15 Calum.... You are talking sectarian sh*t. In the Republic of Ireland there is complete separation of church and state. The office of president in that country is open to people of all religions. In other words one's religion is no bar to high office in the Republic of Ireland.However ,here in the UK no Catholic can hold the office of Prime Minister.No Catholic can become monarch. The prime minister appoints Protestant only bishops to the house of lords.Ther are Protestant clergymen MPs in the house of Parliament.(there are no ministers of any religion in the Irish parliament or the Senate) Members of the house of commons must swear alegiance to the sectarian English monarchy,under pain of expulsion. So! get your facts right before you start talking sectarian sh*t. The British state is a sectarian state, and you are a sectarian shi*head!
22

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 21:03:40
#15 Calum......"The forces of dark age superstition are still with us" How right you are,because you are one of them.People like you are known as "Scotland's Shame"
23

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 21:06:00
#18 Shamus...........You are another member of "Scotland's Shame" I wish you people would grow up and come into the 21st century,you will be most wellcome!
24

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 21:10:19
#11 Robert.......... Excellent post.
25

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 22/03/2008 21:11:50
#1......Unbending, Well said!
26

Tris,

dundee 22/03/2008 23:17:30
#11. Interesting read. Thanks for that information.

#21. Likewise. (Although I think the PM can be catholic.) It's a scandal that there are English bishops in the London Parliament, and likewise that the MPs are obliged to swear allegiance to a sectarian monarch.

It would be more appropriate if they swore to do their best for the electorate, and to try to keep their greedy snouts out of the trough.
27

Cincinnatus,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 23:47:01
#26 No the Prime Minister cannot be a Roman Catholic, the glorious revolution is a bigotted settlement.

#11 it's not Democracy, it's a move to sectarian individualism - hence the ACT OF SETTLEMENT amongst other things.

Our state is Sectarian, the influx of Poles may change the mix over time, but not the eventual outcome which will be secularism.
28

Peter The Imperfect,

23/03/2008 07:50:32
#12 unbending-I think not away and play with the traffic in Abuja-no easter hols there- allamdoolilah!

The RC Church was effectively killed off in Scotland 500 years ago by our forefathers-it is an organisation that is truly reviled and despised by many indigenous Scots more much more than any other faith because of its facist leanings and pseudo-political machinations.

It will take more than a few RC journos and Irish and Polish immigrants to revive it.
29

Peter The Imperfect,

23/03/2008 07:55:39
#21 "here in the UK no Catholic can hold the office of Prime Minister."

That is why at the last election we had Charles Kennedy leader of the Liberals and Iain Duncan Smith as Conservative-both Roman Catholics.

As for the monarch as they are head of the CofE strangely enough they cannot belong to another faith -including Baptist, Presbyterian, Jew, mmuslim or RC.

Are you people born thick or do you have to practise every day?
30

Peter The Imperfect,

23/03/2008 07:59:35
#27 wrong -another Roman myth -the PM can be any faith-we have had presbyterians, methodists, Disraeli was even a Jew!

If there was a bar on RC's somone should have informed Charles Kennedy and Iain Duncan Smith at the past general election that they were wasting their time!
31

Robert,

Kirriemuir 23/03/2008 10:54:11
We Scottish presbyterians take issue with the English and with those of the catholic faith and we always hark back to history and mainly to 1301 when Edward 1st 'Hammer of the Scots' laid waste to this country but that was 700 years ago. We neither forget the corruption that occurred by the Bishops when the country was catholic and when St Andrews was then known as the Mecca of Darkness as the Bishops met there annually and how they sided with the English in its contempt for this country but, that is our history and that is where it should remain, in the history books.

The ancient wars of antiquity are today fought on the football arenas which keeps the flame of the past alive but we like to think of ourselves as being civilised so why are we still waging this tripartite war; let us lay down our claymores and enjoy what little time we have left on this planet before we shrivell-up by its rapidly increasing climate change. Why get hyper over nationalism and religion when our planet is so small and the Internet is making us world citizens. We sure become so wound-up by our inner urges and by our parochialism that we forget that there is a world beyond our shores.

Personally, I have renounced relgion as I am aware of its fissures but I attended once a Requiem Mass of a friend of mine who passed over and what a wonderful service it was and it would have gladened the heart of many a presbyterian. Furthermore, my late wife and present spouse are English and one of my son-in-laws is of Irish catholic descent and he is a great guy so too my wives so why all the enmity? It is 'on the cards' that shortly we will encounter a tall coal-black guy with the name of say Macdonald and wearing the tartan with a pedigree to prove his birthright so 'fings ain't wot they used to be'! Bonnie Prince Charlie was our last Rob Roy and if my recollection is correct he too was of the catholic faith (in addition to Mary Queen of Scots) so who's worried?

Peace on you all (best said
32

Robert,

Kirriemuir 23/03/2008 10:58:37
Once agian my post (above) was truncated but its last few words should have read:

"Peace on you all (best said in the Italian accent)"!
33

Calum Crubag,

23/03/2008 15:07:06
Hunky Dorey - i have no religion, therefore i can't be sectarian. And like many Scots, i have Irish blood too. From both sides of the tribal fence.

As to the monarch, i don't really care but i reckon we'll get a Catholic king at the same time as we get a Muslim/ Protestant/ Sikh Pope.

Bin it all. You couldn't live without science and reason.
34

Bleeding Heart...,

23/03/2008 17:52:29
#33 Strictly speaking no, you can't by definition be "sectarian" if you "have no religion".

But this doesn't negate "Hunky Dorey's" comment about you, does it..?
35

Make Mine a Half,

over there looking back 24/03/2008 09:08:54
Mr Sheen.........isn't HE polish?
36

Vincent-W,

24/03/2008 11:48:30
crowbag - of course you can be a sectarian. Sectarianism is not the preserve of religious groups. For example you can have political sectarianism, even psychological sectarianism (Sidney Hook).

However, the principal characteristic of sectarianism is one who is narrow minded, parochial and intolerant of people with other views. Sectarian people will frequently concentrate on differences between people and bang on trying to generate division.

I think that is a pretty good definition of your good self and your crazed rantings whenever religion is mentioned. Which is why I accurately described you last week as a Fundementalist Aetheist.

Personally I prefer to live in peace and harmony with my Catholic, Protestant, Agnostic, Aetheist, Muslim etc etc neighbours and concentrate on the vast majority of shared values.
37

Vincent-W,

24/03/2008 11:50:20
Incidentally Calum - there are plenty Christian scientists, engineers, technologists etc - they are not mutually exclusive mindsets!

 

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