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'New Scots' from Poland doing us proud



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Published Date: 14 January 2008
FROM delis to building services, bars and churches, their influence is hard to miss.
In the three years since EU movement restrictions were relaxed, at least 60,000 Poles have settled in Scotland.

But while some immigrant communities remain isolated from their new homes, Poles it seems, have integrated themselves into British life
with remarkable ease.

Indeed a survey yesterday revealed Polish migrants have settled so well that they may well be more "British" than many British people, scoring higher in the Home Office's Life in the UK test than any other nationality.

They now provide such a boost to the workforce that business leaders admit to worrying what modern-day Scotland would do without them.

In towns and cities across Scotland, appearances of the Polish flag are increasingly commonplace. And there is growing evidence of the Polish language, customs, culture and ways of life on the nation's streets and workplaces.

The huge influx of Poles has not only helped fill thousands of job vacancies, but has brought other benefits for the nation, including improving transport links, a blossoming cultural scene and even a boom for Catholic churches.

Polish people have helped address major shortages of skilled and qualified employees in a range of crucial sectors, such as building and construction, tourism and hospitality, and the health service, particularly dentistry.

A string of new businesses have opened up across the country – from delicatessens and cafés, to bakers, hairdressers and children's toy shops.

Catholic churches have seen congregations soar, with special Polish services now held at the likes of St Simon's in Glasgow and St Mary's in Edinburgh.

Air links to eastern Europe have taken off in the past few years, with direct links inaugurated to the likes of Warsaw, Gdansk and Katowice.

Polish cultural associations have sprung up across the country, while there have been Polish comedy nights, showcases of Polish theatre and cinema and even club nights.

After English, Polish is now the main language spoken in almost a third of Scotland's council areas.

The influx of people from Poland is said to be one of the main factors why the number of people in work in Scotland is at an all-time high.

Iain McMillan, director of the CBI in Scotland, said: "Some very well-known construction companies were saying to me very recently that they don't know what they would have done without the influx of Polish people in Scotland, and they are right.

"We would have some very serious manpower shortages in areas like building and constructions, and tourism and hospitality. You can see the impact Polish people are having in our hotels and restaurants because of the quality of service they can offer.

"The thing many employers notice is their work ethic. They don't have the same social security and benefits safety nets in Poland that we have in the UK."

Graham Bell, spokesman for the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, said: "For a start, Polish people are generally keen to get out of bed in the morning; they want to work.

"Many of them have come to Scotland with a lot of skills and qualifications, and when they've arrived they've been keen to secure more of them.

"The Polish people who have settled in Scotland seem to show a willingness to fit in with the Scots, and integrate into our culture and ways of life, as well as celebrate their own traditions and culture."

Elizabeth Rychlik-Sharp, secretary of the Scottish Polish Cultural Association, said: "Poland doesn't have too many big cities and many people have settled in Scotland because they like the quiet way of life and the atmosphere. Somewhere like London can be quite oppressive.

"Although a lot of Polish people may start off with relatively low-paid jobs in Scotland, they are keen to improve their English and also learn new skills by taking night classes.

"You only have to walk around somewhere like Edinburgh to see the influences of Polish people, with all the new shops and cafés that are springing up."

Links between Poland and Scotland date back to at least the time of Bonnie Prince Charlie, whose mother was a Polish royal.

The first major influx of Poles to Scotland came during the Second World War. Many Poles who had fled their homeland after it was invaded by the Nazis carried on the fight as members of the UK-based Polish Free Army and in Polish squadrons attached to the RAF.

Polish troops and pilots distinguished themselves throughout the war, flying in the Battle of Britain and taking part in the heroic raid on the Netherlands made famous in the 1977 film A Bridge Too Far.

In Glasgow, Polish troops based at Yorkhill Barracks marched on Sundays to mass at St Simon's Church in Partick.

After the war ended with Poland a Soviet satellite, many Poles opted to stay in Scotland.

St Simon's remained a focus for the Polish community and still holds Sunday mass in Polish for the thousands of Poles living in the Glasgow area.

Graphic designer Marian Klamiec, 29, from Portobello, has been living in Edinburgh for the past three years.

He said: "Finding work in Poland is a big problem for many young people and it's the main reason why there are so many people coming to the UK.

"A big part of me coming to Edinburgh was what I had heard about the city's culture and its festivals, like Hogmanay. As a city, it is not huge but has lots for people to enjoy.

"Polish people are keen to integrate themselves into the community here, but we are also keen to celebrate our own traditions and celebrations."

Veteran Edinburgh arts impresario Richard Demarco said has been visiting Poland and bringing Polish acts and companies to Scotland since the 1960s.

He said: "Some of the most important culture in Europe is produced in Poland, including theatre, music and visual art.

"I've always been overwhelmed by the energy of Polish people and we're beginning to see that reflected in Scotland.

"It's obvious that they are extremely well educated and hard-working and their influx has almost single-handedly saved the Catholic Church in this country.

"They are now beginning to have the kind of influence that the Italians have had in Scotland over successive generations.

"I do think the influx of Polish people is actually affecting the way we view immigrants in Scotland. I think it will also change the way we see Scotland's place in Europe."

POLE POSITION IN BRITISHNESS TEST

POLISH people came out on top of the "Britishness League" in a Facebook survey in which more than 15,000 users of the social networking site took part.

Of the 11,118 British people who sat the citizenship test, only 1,585 or 14 per cent, achieved the pass score.

The 49 Polish respondents scored an average of 15.2 for the 24 questions.

But Britons only achieved an average of 14.4, ranking them sixth, behind Finland, Sweden, Germany and New Zealand.

Americans came bottom of the "Britishness league", scoring an average of 12.9, just behind Commonwealth countries Canada and Australia.

The Facebook test, organised by UK firm Red Squirrel Publishing, was based on the Home Office's Life in the UK test, which was introduced in November 2005 for people applying for British citizenship or indefinite leave to remain.

The citizenship test examines knowledge of British life, laws and institutions, through 24 multiple choice questions. The computer-based test is one of the last hurdles for immigrants in the process of gaining British citizenship.

People who are eligible for naturalisation as a British citizen must send a test pass certificate with their citizenship application form.

More than 437,000 applicants have taken the Home Office's test since it was introduced in November 2005. But one in three people have failed the test.

Questions in the sample test included "How often are general elections held?" (at least every five years), "What is the largest ethnic minority in Britain?" (Indian descent) and "What is a gap year?"

The 45-minute Home Office exam, which costs £34, can be taken in more than 100 Life in the UK test centres across the country.



The full article contains 1377 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 January 2008 9:12 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Poles in Scotland
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

14/01/2008 00:20:17
Dobra rzecz.
2

EPS,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 00:54:31
#1 Well done, indeed. The Polish immigrants to Scotland put us Scots to shame.
3

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 14/01/2008 01:09:20
Well if we are complacent,..(as we are) and not prepared to make anything out of our Country,
'Others Will'
Maybe the Scott's, expect everything dropped at their doorstep.!
This is a tragic condition of the Scottish People!
Or are we brought up to be like, 'mice'.?
4

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14/01/2008 01:50:03
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Lobeydoser,

14/01/2008 01:51:23
Brian Ferguson wrote;
"The first major influx of Poles to Scotland came during the Second World War".
Not correct. Many "Poles" came to Scotland, especially Glasgow, and other parts of the UK in the decades before and after 1900. Of course, they were mostly Jews escaping being murdered by their "fellow-Poles", and not too proud of their homeland then.
6

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14/01/2008 02:13:32
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W Smith,

Middle East 14/01/2008 03:46:04
So Poland was a Soviet 'satellite', eh?

This is when Salmond joined the 79 group wasn't it?

The 79 Group supported the regime that kept Poland from getting its independence. The irony.

If muslim Khazakstan hadn't got independence in 1991, its oil revenue would be going straight to Moscow.

Comments from the SNP resident communist Bill Wilson on this article would be interesting.

Salmond wasn't the only one - there was Ron Brown, Willie Hamilton, all the STUC, Galloway, Ernie Ross, and all the other snivelling treacherous lefties.

BTW
The Poles aren't coming to the UK and Ireland to get a taste of socialism - but capitalism.

Maggie Thatcher can go to the grave knowing she won the idealogical war - by sticking with Adam Smith!
8

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 14/01/2008 04:34:59
During my recent stay in Edinburgh and Glasgow I did indeed encounter many Poles in shops, restaurants etc. They definitely seemed to be putting their heart into the job!
9

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 04:42:17
This may be good news for the Scottish economy, but one wonders how things are in Poland itself these days. They must have lost a large part of their population in the last few years.
10

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14/01/2008 05:29:00
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fife runner,

14/01/2008 07:12:16
at the time being we are having problems getting staff to carry out Royal Mail deliveries door to door. At 56 I thought I would not get a part time time job to suit my semi retirement but the RM took me on. It is hard work but being one who has kept fit I can do it but the big issue is we now have a sedentary population who if they walked half a mile let alone the 8 I do with up to ten bags overall they would give up. Time will come when Poles etc will do it as they now make up most of the staff at the main parcels dept at Livingstone.

In an area where I live with majority of seasonal, we still have problems recruiting and have to rely on staff doing overtime to get out deliveries. OT is not compulsory so at some time in the future deliveries must come to a halt.
12

donald,

glasgow 14/01/2008 07:38:12
Willie Hamilton was right wing Labour Unionist Twit.

I'd rather be Polish Scot than a Labour Brit.
13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/01/2008 08:39:57
Any resident can be a Scot, but only an indigenee can be a Briton.

Interesting to note that unemployment in East Germany is high, yet so is unemployment benefit, so no East Germans coming here. Time we got rid of benefits here and got our loaby dossers off their btms.
14

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14/01/2008 08:45:14
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CB,

Somewhere in the EU 14/01/2008 09:49:36
Alas when the recession starts to bite (in about 6 months to a year?), there'll be little construction work to be had, hotels will be laying off staff, and lower tax revenues will mean NHS cutbacks. Then the Poles will discover the down side to the UK's flexible labour laws. Those that are employees will be able to claim benefit, but for the self-employed joiners, plumbers, etc. it's going to be tough.
16

Rob7,

England 14/01/2008 10:18:10
We used to employ a scot, who Obviously was more interested in drink then work. We got rid of him and now employ a Pole - very hard worker and is keen to learn. + he is not a Scot so win win
17

Stickman,

14/01/2008 10:26:30
#17. I used to employ two Englishmen. One was jailed for attempted murder when he should have been working. The other spent too much time on Scottish online newspaper comment boards for some strange reason. I haven't had either of those problems with my hardworking Polish employees. Win win for me too.
18

Gothic Rose,

14/01/2008 10:30:50
11# Fife Runner. Delivery of parcels? When?.Sometime, Never.!
19

Aiken Head,

Berlin 14/01/2008 10:43:02
Links between Poland and Scotland date back to when? I've said this before but try reading a little history - Tom Devine is a good start. Huge numbers of economic migrants from Scotland caused major problems for Poland when they swarmed into the place in the 16/17th centuries. They integrated to the extent that the Poles have had a lot of Scottish genes in their pool ever since. They're just coming home now! (The people and the genes, not the problems.

And why is the bolstering of religion always regarded by these writers as one of the list of positive things in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
20

anonomouse,

edinburgh 14/01/2008 10:45:33
I agree the poles are good workers what i don't agree with is the fatc that they get given priority above resedents who are on a priority list with the cuncil for housing. Along with the junkies the immigrants get hiouseing before anyone else and it's a joke that a scot who lives in edinburgh should be on a so called priority list for 5 years and b offered nothing and a pole can get a house in a month.
21

tomislav,

home 14/01/2008 11:00:09
I pity poor POLAND, losing such good people in such numbers over such a short time. Although I for one welcome these people to Squeakland, without reservation, they are a vast improvement over the spoiled, benefit ridden, obese, alcohol abusing mice we have now
22

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 14/01/2008 11:04:20
#21 is absolutely correct. Scots have been emigrating to other countries for centuries and have taken their own culture and traditions with them. When I am asked why there are so many Scots in England I compare Scotland to a bottle of freshly opened champagne with the bubbles flowing in all directions. Although reading some of the postings in the Scottish press shows that some got left in the bottle and went flat.
23

Oli,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 12:12:21
The Poles we see over here are the "cans", the "can'ts" are all left at home, much like previous generations of Scots emigrants!

As others have noted, I too salute our Polish visitors and their work ethic, it's a real inspiration to see people so keen to work.
24

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14/01/2008 12:13:03
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Boy Wonder,

14/01/2008 13:27:04
I don't know! I go away for a few days and when I come back ... it's still the same ole, same ole!

When I look at a person, I see exactly that. A human being ... no nationality or colour or religion. They're not as important as the person themself.

And wouldn't the whole world be a lot better off if we all stopped seeing the barriers, and just accepted that people are people, whatever their origin.










26

Highland Mighty,

14/01/2008 13:33:05
17. ffs, that wasn't written by an SNP troll at all, was it.

Pathetic.
27

Allan(handofgod137),

14/01/2008 14:04:22
The only trouble with this is the majority are doing the low paid unskilled jobs which could have otherwise been taken by some of our indigenous dole monkeys.
28

antifa,

14/01/2008 14:22:21
"I agree the poles are good workers what i don't agree with is the fatc that they get given priority above resedents who are on a priority list with the cuncil for housing."

They don't.
29

kimba,

14/01/2008 14:57:49
would you like our poles, their idea of driving a car leaves much to be desired.
30

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 15:32:58
#31:

As far as I'm concerned, driving on Polish roads is a great experience. Where else in the world would you see three-abreast artics overtaking each other at 3-figure speeds? Where else in the world is your journey time directly proportional to your ability to intimidate other road users? Where else in the world do the security services use the public highway as their own personal race track? Where else in the world are you likely to find unlit horse-drawn carts, bicycles, pedestrians, kids playing, juggernauts, cars and tractors all on the same road? Where else in the world do they have a poorly marked pedestrian crossing over a main arterial road? Where else in the world is your virility considered to be inversely proportional to the time it takes you to complete any give journey by car?

The Polish drivers probably have more skill than most people realise. How else would they stay alive?
31

MACIRVINE,

Dalkeith 14/01/2008 15:42:55
We are all Jock Tamsen's bairns. - Good luck to the Poles.
32

Delphine,

Edinburgh 14/01/2008 15:49:00
Hm, this articel sounds like PR to me. It may well be that Poles are terrifically hardworking etc, but in my experience they are almost always surly, grumpy and unfriendly. Nothing to do with "race", it's just that they are not used to service-oriented behaviour. They act how ever they feel on the day. And that isn't good enough. And that's why I for one am not very happy about this massive influx. Sorry.
33

happy english,

London 14/01/2008 16:08:08
#19 Yeah ok, what a load of old bullsh@t.Poles are hard working but the money does not filter into our economy they send it all straight back to Poland. They also claim Family tax credit and Family allowance for there family that remain in Poland which means taking more money out of our economy.You can see why the Poles love being here all take and no give.
34

Maurice,

Fife 14/01/2008 16:12:44
Both the article and the majority of comments here seem to say the same: The Poles work hard and the Scots dont. Some argue that they take unskilled work from the Scots but seemingly the Scots dont want these jobs anyway. Job Centre Plus every second week is far easier. I dont believe that they get priority over housing etc I just believe that they make the applications, actually attend the intrerviews, answer the correspondence and dont lie back to become whinging victims.
They dont speak the language? I lived in various parts of Africa for the last 40 odd years. I met thousands of Scots. I never ever met 1 that could speak a local language so to the critics, rip those planks out your eyes before pointing at others splinters. An observation I made to my late Dad in the 80's was howcome the Brits spend more time trying to find ways of not doing a job than the job would have taken in the 1st place. As for working at lower rates, is it not illegal for an employer (probably Scottish) to pay less than the minimum wage? The difference is you would get a Polish graduate rouging tatties or picking berries or digging up sewage pipes with a pick & shovel instead of lying back and saying Im too qualified for that. Rather they seem to say: Thats at least something for now. If I do my best, maybe it will lead to better things.
To the Poles, you are an inspiration to a Scotland that wont look. Well done
35

d.j.,

14/01/2008 17:48:43
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At long last a person who has witnessed just how poor the Scots are at learning other languages. Go to Hong Kong and you will find out how the Scots look down on other people who don't speak English. Anyone would think they owned the language the way they stand up for it on all occasions.
Once again it is crystal clear there is little or no difference between the Scots and the English, socially, culturally or any other way
36

John.,

14/01/2008 17:59:27
Having returned to Scotland from Canada (foreign country) only 6 months ago I have to say that this article is total and complete nonsense.

I live in West Lothian where there is total seperation between Scots and the 10,000 or so Poles that live here.

You may ask why so I will explain :-

- Many jobs that were formerly permament and reasonable paid jobs are now now temp (agency) jobs paying minimum wage. I am sure that I do not have to explain supply and demand curves but for anyone that doesn't know - If you massively increase supply thus outstripping demand then the price of the product (labour in this instance) will decrease.

- The Poles have made absolutely no effort to integrate or even have good relations with the local community.Indeed they seem determined to create a new Poland within the county.

What is the situation now ?

Youth unemployment is increasing at a rapid rate.Poverty is increasing.The housing shortage that has been a problem for years has now reached crisis point.

The natives are angry , very angry and I unfortunately have to say that there a number of West Lothian communities that are now powderkegs just waiting to spark into ethnic conflict.

I never thought I would say such a thing in relation to my own country but the Governments policy of using the mass importation of cheap labour in order to control inflation has been a social disaster and my part of Scotland at least is about to explode.
37

Andrew Allan,

14/01/2008 18:42:35

#38.,John.,
‘14/01/2008 17:59:27
Having returned to Scotland from Canada (foreign country) only 6 months ago I have to say that this article is total and complete nonsense.’

Just out of some interest, how long have you been out of the country anyway, just saying this because if it has been some time that would explain the manner in which you have answered.

’I live in West Lothian where there is total seperation between Scots and the 10,000 or so Poles that live here.’

John, would this separation be in anyway similar to the catholic and protestant separation which already was in existence?

’You may ask why so I will explain :-

- Many jobs that were formerly permament and reasonable paid jobs are now now temp (agency) jobs paying minimum wage. I am sure that I do not have to explain supply and demand curves but for anyone that doesn't know - If you massively increase supply thus outstripping demand then the price of the product (labour in this instance) will decrease.

- The Poles have made absolutely no effort to integrate or even have good relations with the local community.Indeed they seem determined to create a new Poland within the county.’

Again John, how long have you been out of the country, the way many jobs have gone over to being temp. has been going on for the last twenty odd years. Again John, could you not be looking at many members of the protestant community not wanting relations with this influx of catholics.

’What is the situation now ?

Youth unemployment is increasing at a rapid rate.Poverty is increasing.The housing shortage that has been a problem for years has now reached crisis point.

The natives are angry , very angry and I unfortunately have to say that there a number of West Lothian communities that are now powderkegs just waiting to spark into ethnic conflict.

I never thought I would say such a thing in relation to my own country but the Governments policy of using the mass importation of cheap labour in
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T M,

LA, USA 14/01/2008 18:57:59
#34
That has been my experience exactly. Surly to say the least...
39

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2008 18:59:40
We can't really criticise the Poles who are doing what we Scots did when times were tough in Scotland.
There are very few countries which do not have people of Scottish background who helped build those countries.
The real difference is in the level of welfare state now available to immigrants to this country.
It would appear that the Scots abroad have integrated well but still keep their Scottish roots through Societies, music, Burns nights etc.
Their integration should form a good template for immigrants into Scotland.
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14/01/2008 19:08:12
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happy english,

14/01/2008 19:26:40
#43 Is that the same Scottish football supporters that hit a young boy in Scotland for wearing an England shirt or was it the Scottish football supporters that hit old man for also wearing an English football shirt in Scotand and not only did they hit him they were not satisfied until they knocked him to the ground. Shut your mouth you oik.
42

Bluey,

Glasgow 14/01/2008 19:30:42
The Poles deserve their hard-working reputation. They fill the vacancies that the Scots cannot or will not, either because they lack the right skills, knowledge or attitude or because the benefits system disincentives them from work. There are some areas in Glasgow where the majority of residents are on JSA or Incapacity benefit for the third generation since the welfare state was established.

However, it does mean that Scotland is storing up future social problems from the schism that results when welfare dependency flourishes and NEETs (not in education, employment or training) aren't sorted out.

Those sections of the population that cannot or will not compete with migrants in employment become jealous of the incomers and the usual conflicts will result, including jealousy over the allocation of social housing and the strain on this and other infrastructure - transport, education, health service.

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happy english,

London 14/01/2008 20:02:54
#46 Can tell you are a Jock thick and stupid, go and pour yourself a large Whisky and then vomit and go to the A&E where they can pump your stomach and somewhere along the way get a brain transplant (English brain would be better we are brighter then you) and that is what the Scottish would call a good night. We may be pathetic but we are proud England does not have to rely on handouts from Scotland unlike your Drug ridden country does. Get real and get a life I am of too the Gymn (that is were you go to keep yourself healthy) alas something that you would no nothing about!)
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Martyk,

14/01/2008 20:06:06
The Poles wont be in Britain in large numbers for long. Upon accesion it was estimated they would reach W European GDP per capita in about 12 years. They are on course.
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An English Voice,

14/01/2008 20:50:51
46 and 47 are the same person?

The book is open!
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Ken M,

Stenhousemuir 14/01/2008 21:28:02
Poland was invaded by both the Nazis and the Soviets. Let's get our facts right. The Nazis took the west, the Soviets took the east.

I grew up with the children of the WW2 Polish who settled in my neck of the woods of Scotland and only say that integration was part of their make up then, even though my mother thought they were a bit dour (now there's a laugh).

Personally I have nothing but admiration for Poles. Even the ones who do not have the fortune of being reported upon because they do not live in Edinburgh or Glasgow ( It's a media thing).
49

An English Voice,

14/01/2008 23:02:21
54 & 56.

Haven't you heard? Humanity is now a global race. There is no such thing as national identity or racial homeland anymore.

"We are in the midst of a great transition from narrow nationalism to international partnership." to quote someone.

It's now all about where you live and where you work. Europe is now one big union of nearly 500m people from dozens and dozens of ethnic groups who can live and work freely in any of Europe's 28 member states. About 6 million of those have moved to the UK in the past few decades (I think we are the largest recipient of EU migration).

Admittedly, I used to get annoyed with immigration in a "We haven't got the room" type manner (nothing to do with race, solely about population density). But the UK economy continues to grow steadily because of their work and jobs that many of us would prefer not to do, are now being done. Plus any flight over the densely populated SE will show just how much space we still have!(eg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1434/753182209_dbc4bbfb45_o.jpg)

Consider us another in the mould of the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. who all grew on the back of mass immigration!
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An English Voice,

15/01/2008 00:56:45
59. I know exactly what I'm saying having worked and travelled throughout Europe and the countries I mentioned above.

I don't know what you disagree with so I'll cover a few bases.

The UK can easily accommodate millions more people. England may be one of the most densely populated of countries but only 19% of the land has been developed. And with the planning and development underway of many towers and skyscrapers for business and residential use (12+ in Manchester, 10+ in Liverpool, 18+ in Birmingham, 120+ in London), English cities are now building upwards, not outwards.

Most of the 6m immigrants have moved into the already densely populated London and the SE with minimal problems, barring insufficient funding for local services to cope with the influx.
Moves are already underway to add capacity to schools, hospitals, the transport network etc. to cope with these new workers.

The recent water shortages in the SE will be sorted once the national water network improving storage and transport is completed (rainfall is clearly not the problem!).

Racial integration is a problem which still needs to be addressed. However, the vast majority of EU immigrants are white Europeans, so racial tension is not the issue it is with the African/Asian community (immigration is being addressed here by the recent reforms).

Let's face it, if the tens of millions of people living in London and the SE can cope with the massive influx of immigrants from all over the world (which they are) then so can the rest of the country.

Does that answer anything?
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Dboy,

Japan 15/01/2008 05:00:24
Is it just me or does this article seem to be a little too earnest in its praise for Polish people? I can`t recall when I saw an article spouting the merits of the Indian, Pakistani, or Chinese populations. Is it because the Poles are white and Christian like us that the press needs to reassure us all that the Poles are no threat? (not that I think that they are).
I`ve worked with Poles and found them to be quite miserable and heard of one violent assault on a local Aberdonian by a group of Polish men. The point is that there are good and bad in all social groups, we should be promoting unity amongst them all instead of highlighting one as a model for the rest.
A recent BBC article stated that there are over 25,000 Polish people in Aberdeen, by far the biggest concentration in any Scottish city yet the Hootsmon failed to make it past the Forth with its usual slack-hand journalism. One minute they are `better Scots than the Scots`, and the next they are typifiers of `Britishness`, whatever that is. Is there a `Britishometer` which measures this kind of statistic? Everybody should be welcome in Scotland, even the English like `happy English` with his woefully poor comeback comments.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 15/01/2008 05:57:07
Don't believe all the hype - it's cheap labour, nothing more, nothing less.
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sc_uk,

15/01/2008 09:48:11
The Poles are great, they're hadrd working and honest. They're happy to integrate into British life. They contribute. Unlike the Muslims.
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Jimmy Connely,

15/01/2008 11:21:19
Graham Bell, spokesman for the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, said: "For a start, Polish people are generally keen to get out of bed in the morning; they want to work????? ******* ******, and scots dinnae?

Pols, scots, irish, english,etc
does it matter? all that want to work will work,

And can i take a brittish test couse am no brittish?
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John.,

15/01/2008 15:42:24
#39 "John, would this separation be in anyway similar to the catholic and protestant separation which already was in existence?"

West Lothian has never had a serious problem in this respect so the answer to your question is obviously 'NO'.

You ask how long I was outhwith the Country. The answer is only 2 years so you can hardly claim that I am somehow guilty of having a completely outdated view of my local area.

Believe me I wish it was now the case but the Government's policy of using the mass importation of cheap labour to keep wage inflation at heel has had serious social effects and the consequence will be bloody.
56

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 17:19:11
lets get the anti scottish cr4p from the een sorted out no scots refuse a job that a pole will do the only people who refuse to do a job are ther work shy or the person scot who cant live on the wage offered the poles like any other migrant are only here to line their own pockets send their money home bring more poles in and take over just the asians chinese etc have been doing now these are facts not racism one pole gets part time job gets a house get 3 poles to to share thus only paying 25% of what i pay takes another on the side job ie bars cleaning etc and takes the income of people who were doing these jobs or do the liars say these are new jobs thwe facts are more and more scots are going on benifits ie tax credits housing etc thus any income tax we gained is taken back out 20 times over
57

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 17:24:59
plus being scottish isnt a right handed out this is worse than the highland clearences im scottish not because i was born here or like nakamura [play for celtic im scottish because from day dot my family have worked for this country and died in various wars that other people including the poles got us into plus the miners strke failed for one reason the germans and POLES flooded us with their cheap coal were was the solidarity then plus there is no mention of the crimes these migrant commit including murder rape etc so if the een want to tell a story tell the truth for a change

 

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