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Published Date: 19 January 2008
AT least 700 suspected paedophiles from Edinburgh have been caught trafficking thousands of images of child sex abuse by United States special agents.
Undercover officers from a special task force have been monitoring the online activities of hundreds of offenders over the past three years. A total of 3200 internet or IP addresses have been traced to the Capital, with 707 individual computers identified.

The obscene material was mostly made up of videos, predominantly featuring children aged eight and under, and including horrific images of youngsters being raped. The US team said it had now passed its evidence to UK authorities for investigation.

Special Agent Flint Waters, from the Wyoming Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, warned the actual number of offenders could run into thousands in Edinburgh and even this figure could represent the "tip of the iceberg".

Sometimes posing as children or abusers, the task force has been offered or accessed nearly 10,000 illegal images and videos held on computers in the Capital. Software programs are used to trawl the internet and find individuals from the city offering to trade images from shared folders.

The Wyoming team are working as part of an international police blitz, called Operation Peer Precision, which involves forces from 18 countries worldwide, including in the UK.

Special Agent Waters said: "They may be individuals who have placed images in shared folders which others can download. They are not the only occasions where agents have been offered them directly, our software is also able to find these folders online.

"But we are only searching a small part of the internet so the number of people involved could be much higher. It does not include those who are trading images via email.

"After we find them we can trace their IP addresses and, sometimes, the computer serial number. Since tracing the serial number is not always possible, I would say the figure of around 700 for Edinburgh is probably a minimum figure. An individual trading for a few months might also use more than one IP address.

"The number in Edinburgh could be in the thousands as a result, but it's difficult to place an exact number on it."

He added: "It's relatively easy for us to trace names and addresses with IP addresses. Law enforcers can simply contact the ISP (internet service providers) companies who keep records. The difficulty is having enough officers to cope with the demand."

In June last year, four people were charged in the Lothians in connection with an international online paedophile ring. Police said the group was targeted as part of the investigation into the ring which involved more than 700 suspects in 35 countries.

Lothian and Borders Police referred inquiries about the American investigation to the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland.

The Acpos spokesman said the figures were "alarming" but said more investigation was needed to determine the crimes committed.

He said: "Through our combined intelligence gathering and operational procedures, we intend to seriously impact on those whose are involved in carrying out these heinous acts. Tracing of internet paedophilia is done through internet intervention. In effect, we are turning the very technology these predators seek to use, on themselves to track them down."

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  • Last Updated: 19 January 2008 10:22 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Paedophilia
 
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alex paterson,

embra 19/01/2008 13:16:49
700 caught so far and may more to be caught,well done to the team that catches them
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Paul Voltaire,

19/01/2008 13:57:07
The number of 707 does seem worringly-high.
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Unimpressed one,

19/01/2008 14:35:32
All well and good, but what are the investigators doing to catch the originators of the abuse, which comes predominantly from the US?
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calum,

19/01/2008 14:52:17
It seems strange that the Editorial team have decided that it is OK to post comments about paedophile issues here but no comments allowed about 70+ employees of the City Council suspended for alledly distributing a racist e-mail. Anyone from EN care to comment to enlighten us?
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Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 19/01/2008 15:19:29
#5 - probably because if the 22 CoEC employees fetch up in court then these postings could be in contempt. The law in Scotland is complicated in this regard. For example, the Vicky Hamilton case - the papers were not allowed to name the suspect (nor that he in prison for another murder).
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Darren :-),

on ma way to ibrox 19/01/2008 15:34:47
#6 even although a 2 second google search tells you peter toben was in prison.

AS for 707 nonces in the city - can we please have some form of public execution for this lot? These people are the scum of the earth, and deserve absolutly nothing, no "right" treatment or anything - throw them in a cell, n let them rot :)
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 15:35:35
the peados got caught down loading child abuse the employees are only alleged to have committed an offence or are you saying guilty before you are convicted just because its a racial offence
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Tranent 19/01/2008 16:57:38
Shocking figures. There are approx 500000 citizens in Edinburgh. Goin' on 707 confirmed cases that means 1 in 700 Edinburgh RESIDENTS is an internet paedo.

When you consider that women and children are scarcely the perpetrators of such crimes, that means it must be at least 1 in 300 men are internet nonces.

If as the US investigators suggest there are in fact more cases in Edinburgh, then the fraction is larger again. Also, other demographic groups such as very elderly can be almost ruled out, meaning perhaps 1 in every 200 Edinburgh men of working age is at it.

Sickening and hard to believe.

Put it this way, if approx 75% of football supporters are men of working age, this means there are around 90 paedo's at Tynecastle each week and 66 at Easter Road!
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 19/01/2008 17:18:17
What a load of good ol US of A bull. Anyone registered with all the main providers like BT, Tiscali Pipex etc. etc. gets a different IP address every time they boot up their system. If you log in 3 times in a single day that could be 3 IP addresses, that's 21 a week or 84 a month or 1,008 a year, for a single person. The figures quoted cover a three year period, so its not in the thousands but IF IF they can prove it only the 700 quoted. Another alarming factor here is nothing to do with paedophiles but all of us and computer security.

If they can trace these IP addresses to the city, then they have already been in contact with BT and such to get these folks home addresses. An IP only tells you who the customer is registered with, their country etc. Here is an example of what info is available for my current IP;
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 19/01/2008 17:20:40
role: Tiscali UK
address: Tiscali UK Limited
address: 20 Broadwick Street
address: London W1F 8HT
phone: +44 207 087 2000
remarks: Information: http://www.tiscali.com
org: ORG-TUL3-RIPE
admin-c: DC-RIPE
admin-c: GD9105-RIPE
tech-c: DC-RIPE
nic-hdl: TU935-RIPE
remarks: Hostmaster Role Account
mnt-by: TU935-RIPE-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
abuse-mailbox:

Another issue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI) or a newer advanced form used here in the UK, but thats another story
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madrab,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 18:21:57
But if an american says it's true, it must be.

Does the EEN still believe that there are WMD hidden in Iraq?

Does it support the forthcoming invasion of Iran?

Was any journalism done before printing this rubbish?

The only sad thing is that some clowns, see above, believe what is written in this paper.
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Isabel,

Edinburgh 19/01/2008 18:22:37
Punishments for paedos, when caught, needs to be more realistic - string them up as they don't deserve to live.

It is shocking that there could be thousands in Edinburgh. Much more needs to be done to protect children everywhere.
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Larry Johnstone,

Glasgow 19/01/2008 18:36:06
Any one questioning the above to any great extent must be worth looking at.
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Jenny MacArthur,

19/01/2008 18:48:21
The holier-than-thou moralists posting here about 'nonces' sound to me like they're protesting a bit too much. Most of them guys, of course. The same guys who're more than likely surfing for 'teen' porn, letting their adolescent daughters go out in the latest sexy clothing and make-up, and generally buy into the whole paedophilic imagery that advertising sells you stuff with. Hypocrites, the lot of you! If you want to get to the root of this problem, get off your high horses about so-called paedophiles, and complain to The Sun, Tesco, the Daily Mail, and Just Seventeen for their abuse of our children, which YOU encourage by giving them your money.
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Darren :-),

19/01/2008 19:30:13
so you think its okay for nonces to be here then #16? Why cominaning to tesco and the sun do? its nothing to do with complaining ffs, its a legal matter. Did you get a new pc for xmas?
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John Blackley,

Florida 19/01/2008 19:33:33
#3 - in the US, the same investigations are ongoing. In addition, televised stings are set up and paedos responding to honeytraps are televised and then arrested. The list of other activities to suppress paedophilia in the United States is too long to list here. But why would you say that "the abuse....... comes predominantly from the US"?


#10 - Why is this 'bull'? The US investigators gave British police services a list of IP addresses, MAC addresses, times and dates. If the British police work with the ISP's it will be apparent - from where those IP addresses were allocated at that date and time - where the offender's computer was.

And to #13, yes, sometimes it really is true - even if an American says it.

To all of the above - your pathetic, undermanned, politically-handcuffed police force is being handed a gift. Instead of sneering about some of the comments that accompanied that gift or vomitting up your usual "if it's American it must be rubbish" you might consider why it came down to Americans to do this.
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boudica,

Glasgow 19/01/2008 19:33:58
Jenny contrary to Your Opinion many Fathers do disagree with their daughters going out like this but their Mothers intervene and allow it ..or have you forgotten that Fact that these Girls have mothers ???????
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 19/01/2008 19:37:12
Here's to them being caught and then by then the next 700 caught.

What a filth we have in Edinburgh - they as dirty as the streets....
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Katty,

Bannockburn 19/01/2008 19:49:03


And when caught and they do their few months, they are allowed out to live next door to decent people and their children.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!!!
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boudica,

19/01/2008 19:59:48
18 .America gets the Blame for all the Worlds woes it seems that some in here forget that the UK has had this problem for years and more recently Child Sex Slaves are being brought in from Eastern Europe , Africa, Russia ,and Asia .. Turkey being the Gateway and the likes of Belgium , Portugal France ,Germany etc all have the same problems ...and even though the USA is doing something to try and help us stop it but for some it is the Blame Game they want instead of getting up of their backsides and jumping on their MP or MSP and getting them to do something constructive but all we get is inquiries and Judges who give these people far lenient sentencing ...
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okanaganguy,

kelowna,b.c. canada 19/01/2008 20:24:16
#18. Agree with you 100 per cent. I am glad to say that Canada and the U.S. have a good working relationship, sharing info on pedophiles on the internet.The problem is serious in many countries, and it would seem that Scotland is no exception.All IP addressess can be traced regardless of how many a person has.How do you think these perps are caught.I am surprised at the negativity in here re: this topic.I hope that the negative remarks in this form are not indicative of the feelings of the Scottish people. regards
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Keeny,

West Lothian 19/01/2008 21:45:51
Calum comment No 5 - Are you putting alleged racial Emails on the same level as paedophile issues?
I think you need to have a good look at yourself.
You obviously have no kids and have your own business probably employing cheap overseas labour - it's people such as yourself who advocate murderers should only serve half a 20 years sentence when they've taken someones life. Give yourself a shake man...
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

19/01/2008 22:40:59
Quite shocking, isn't it, how many heterosexual guys in our capital city are also paedophiles. And THAT number is reckoned to be only "the tip of the iceberg".....................
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Scunner,

Ellon 19/01/2008 22:51:06
Kill the bastards! Scotland should be a pedo free country!!
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just chat,

London 19/01/2008 23:10:40
26# even am a Christian and believe am not allowed to kill anyone i have to addmit i TOTALLY agree with you,

what really gets me is that even the police knows who they are they are not allowed to do much to them till they have abused or murdered a child! but after they did their filthy deeds can the police also rebuild the child's life?

NO so to hell with human rights for them, ONCE ANYONE has abused a child in my book he is NOT a human he has no human rights

is accually better for them as well as society to hung them saves them commiting more sins saves so many innocent children from having their lifes ruined and we can feed some starving people wih the food scam like them will eat in prison

fat chance of that happening as b4 yahoo news closed their discusion rooms i learned plenty from there and i still have the list someone posted of the names of TOP republicans that have been found quilty in court of abusing children,

if you work on the assumption that one in 100 is found n convicted then it becomes scary very scary that so many top republican are into child molesting, and as they are the judge the jury n the excecutioner all in one who can society trust to protect our children?
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Bob Brundige,

Springfield, KY USA 19/01/2008 23:24:52
One could blame the world's appreciation of hedonism, these days. Trickle-down aspects of sexual propaganda has started a snowball effect, and it's looming, world wide. Adult-adult voyeurism starts the mess, then it becomes seedier. Like the marihuana to heroin scenario.
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fritigern,

Inverness 19/01/2008 23:33:04
Just why are the internet sites allowed to function for so long? Why not close them down immediately they are detected? Or is there an element of entrapment going on?

It is interesting how many posters want people executed for looking at pictures. Presumably they approve of execution for many other activities as well.
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The Ninja,

Scotland 19/01/2008 23:41:57
Any help to cath these ****ers is excellent, unfortunately our judicial system then lets the children down.
#16 - wtf ? are you on some sort of medication ?
#26 - Spot on.

;-)
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The Ninja,

Scotland 19/01/2008 23:51:49
#29 - What we want is for our children to be safe !
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 00:20:57
be careful what you say on this and any other forum as you have to participate when you log on and if you just visit all the time you will be noted. i have seen some expressionisms and typing etc that could be interesting. after all if your own family thinks its ok for you to be abused by the church and child care authorities and you are raised by pedos raped by pedos and are with future pedos ACHTUNG MEC!
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 00:22:45
I'M FREE
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 01:38:30
helem ncginty pedo, blocklack city chambers pedo, maggott chapman green city chambers pedo. the list goes on the church and other power houses always have and still do corrupt rape and murder children just like the catholic church near john lewis
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Billy Boy,

LA LA Land California 20/01/2008 02:31:00
Regardless of the validity of the statistics we should all know there is a huge problem. We have allowed sexual promiscuity to go too far and have corrupted billions of people young and old. I find it ludicrous that pornography is allowed AT ALL. We should also know that sexual desire is normal and that sexual titallation will most likely lead to sexual acts, legal and illegal! We need a movement such as the Puritans, to emerge and fight against this scourge of humanity. There was a time when I believed Sodom and Gomorah was myth.
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scoobie,

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Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 04:27:43
I predict that the above 15 comments will be deleted, and rightly so.

But to get back to the subject matter, I am wondering how many of these 700 paedophiles are just regular folks getting sucked in by links in all the junkmail that we receive.

God knows, even my grandmother clicked on a junkmail link just out of curiosity as to where it would take her, and was indeed horrified as to what appeared on her screen. Was her IP then flagged by Special Agents as a paedophile?

Yes, horendous things go on, but I am left wondering if this number of 700 in Edinburgh has any real foundation.

I certainly hope not.
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 09:43:21
51# ARE YOU A PUFF IN TO ALL SORTS "O" STUFF
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

20/01/2008 09:47:08
MEANING?
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 09:50:20
OOH YOU ARE A BROON SAUCIE ONE
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

20/01/2008 09:56:18
DREAM ON, SCOOBIE, DREAM ON!
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 10:06:28
I'M NOT DREAMING I WAS JUST ASKING SIR. A VOS ORDRES MON COLONEL.
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 10:07:30
I RECKON YOUR ONE OF THOSE RESPECTABLE TYPES THEN
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 10:10:48
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE MINUTE MEN NEAR FRASERBURGH AND CRIMOND SIR, I HAVE
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scoobie,

einburghars 20/01/2008 10:31:34
I THINK IT I MOSTLY JUNKIES WHO USE THIS SITE AND THAT IS NO OPINION WORSE HEEDING
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

20/01/2008 10:35:59
HELP! One of our REH patients is missing............
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

20/01/2008 10:56:59
Nurse, increase the medication! By the way, scoobs, you DO know how to turn off the "caps lock" - don't you?
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 10:59:41
PEDOS GET WORK JUST LIKE THE TIN FOIL ON THE WALLS FOR THE VOICES, NAE BOTHER. PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO SAW MORE GET ASSIGNED A SH-IT LIFE.
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

20/01/2008 11:01:40
Have fun with your rantings, I have better things to do, like pumice the hard skin on my bunions. Cheers, my boy!
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scoobie,

arseinburgh 20/01/2008 11:01:42
I THINK I WILL DRAW THE ATTENTION OF ALL INTERESTED INCLUDING THE LAW TO YOU. I DON'T GET MEDICINE ON ACCOUBT OF THAT BEING A LIE TOO.
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scoobie,

UT 20/01/2008 11:03:13
YOU ARE ON THE MAP JUNKIE.
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scoobie,

A 20/01/2008 11:04:17
CALL YOURSELF AFTER A JUNKIE'S FAVORITE OCCUPATION AND MOCK ONE OF YOUR SETS VICTIMS, FOOL.
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scoobie,

RS 20/01/2008 11:07:40
GO GET SATURDAYS PAPER FOR THIS ARTICLE AND SEE THE STORY IN THE SMALL MARGIN ABOUT THE DEALER. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROAD SHEET THAT DAY AND EACH ARTICLE GIVEN EQUAL IMPORTANCE AS YOU WILL KNOW IT.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 20/01/2008 11:12:36
THese men are sick, sick, sick and should be hunted down and dealt the severest sentences that Scottish law can hand out to them.

They are vermin and deserve to be chemically castrated for their nefarious deeds and perverted "hobbies'.
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Grouse,

Thunder Bay 20/01/2008 16:33:00
Unimpressed one........the article is about us [Scots] not the US
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!
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Finbarr Saunders,

20/01/2008 19:35:57
Round them all up, brand the word "BEAST" on their foreheads, castrate them and dump the lot of them on some god-forsaken island for the rest of their miserable lives.

No trial, no social-work reports, no excuses, no opportunity to reoffend.

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Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

20/01/2008 20:10:21
Problem is...these men dont look like monsters but they are....fathers..sons..brothers..clergymen...teachers...cops...pillars and pedos of the community..
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Angus Mac,

Nova Scotia ,Canada 21/01/2008 01:22:28
It is sad but these things are going on everywhere. It is a good thing that countries can come together to clean up this mess of horror....cuir iad fo'n fhod. se sin mo bheachd co dhiu.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 21/01/2008 09:14:41
Ban the porn is how to save the world. Legislate against it to stop the sex offenders. Even a Scotsman and Englishman and an Irishman could see the problem.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/01/2008 13:36:45
I have asked the moderator(s) repeatedly to PERMANENTLY BAN 'scoobie" and "sleazy" ( they may be the same person) and hopefully we won't be subjected to his or her obscene rants and distasteful remarks and idiotic mental meanderings.
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Scottie,

South Africa 23/01/2008 13:55:33
Castration is too good for anyone partaking in, or taking and making such films and sites in my opinion. I apologise for the assumption I'm making about the perpetrators.
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sandra3mac,

Aus 25/01/2008 01:30:42
No.93 TimW1234, Ottawa - I totally agree with you. The insane rantings of these people spoil the forum and detract from serious issues. There is nothing funny nor clever about their rantings - they're just sick!
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the judge-wont budge,

25/02/2008 15:48:46
This problem is centuries old..its not a new thing. its even accepted in some countries.as normal.

it will not go away. like drugs and crime..its here to stay no matter whet we do about it..

 

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