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Published Date: 11 February 2008
BURNING ISSUE
NO

Alistair McBay, spokesman for the National Secular Society

There are few British citizens who will not be both baffled and dismayed by the reports that the Archbishop of Canterbury believes the adoption of c
ertain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable" and might actually help social integration.

It is difficult to imagine a less helpful contribution to the debate on cohesion and social integration than this. The cornerstone of our pluralistic liberal democracy is the equality of all citizens under the law, yet Dr Williams says the idea of one law for everybody is "a bit of a danger". He is directly undermining what Britain stands for. Can the archbishop really be saying that some people in Britain should be allowed to have their own laws if they don't approve of the ones we have? Apparently, yes he is.

All religious groups preach that they are inclusive and work towards social integration in Britain, yet what they practise is exactly the opposite. They want, and get, segregated schools, segregated scout groups, even segregated toilets and now, apparently, social cohesion and integration are to be further achieved by separate laws for separate religious groups. This is truly bizarre. The Church of England's recent contributions to the great multiculturalism debate are curious, to say the least. The Bishop of Rochester told us in January that there were Muslim "no-go" areas in Britain, all the fault of multiculturalism and the demise of the Christian religion, and he was seeking a Christian revival to counter this. Now his boss is telling us that Muslims should have their own laws. Neither contribution, contradictory as they apparently are, has been helpful.

YES

Rt Rev Sheilagh Kesting, Moderator of the Church of Scotland General Assembly

I have been deeply concerned at the widespread reaction to the Archbishop of Canterbury's recent lecture. The personal attacks on him are unacceptable in a civilised society and I have been appalled at the attacks on his integrity and the calls for his resignation. As a fellow faith leader, he is entitled to bring issues like this into public debate and explore the way in which different people and religions can live together. What he has been calling for is discussion and I believe that is only right.

Since he made his lecture, the responses have become nothing more than a personal witchWhunt demanding he step down. I believe it is commendable that we have a faith leader such as the archbishop who is prepared to initiate deep and thoughtful consideration of sensitive issues and it is alarming the way in which his intention to do so can be willfully misconstrued.

I believe that by speaking about the subject he chose to address, there will always be criticism, but it is sad that someone can be attacked for starting a sensible discussion. Faith leaders have a common goal to look at what is best for the whole of society. My colleagues in the Church of Scotland have tried to have a measured response recorded in the media, but with limited success. They acknowledged the need for responsible public debate on this sensitive issue and they would want to address any situation in which a religious or ethnic group feels itself in some measure excluded or alienated from our society. To this end, the Church of Scotland wants to take some time to give the issues the archbishop has raised our more considered reflection.





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  • Last Updated: 10 February 2008 8:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

arkletten,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 03:31:37
The hostile reaction he has received is not over his asking that question, but his cack-handed way of tackling it. The sweeping assumptions, presumptions, innuendos and failure to make his position crystal clear whilst wittingly insinuating a great deal, bear all the hallmarks of a dissembling autocrat trying to enlarge his power base. He challenged cherished Enlightenment values, such as equality before the law, in favour of some very wacky post-modern ideas that would bolster the public presence of the Church, with each religious group to their own jurisdiction. Though what possible influence the Church could hold in such a fragmented 'polity' as he (apparently) proposed was hard to imagine.

His ignorance of the British constitution and of the difference between civil law and 'civil society' (which he repeatedly confused) were quite breathtaking.

He doesn't seem to have consulted his bishops and has ploughed into a minefield, without a compass, dragging his entire church with him, and by association, Christianity in the UK. I am somehow reminded of the Laudian experiments of Charles I. I am saddened that the Moderator of the Church of Scotland, a democratic broad church, has sided with this ill-advised venture into theo-politics.

Take for instance this statement, which appears at the beginning:

'...danger arises...when secular government assumes a monopoly in terms of defining public and political identity.'

Really? What does this mean?

I draw your attention to the word: MONOPOLY. That is a very strong word. A state which has a MONOPOLY over defining public and political identity is surely a very frightening one? It surely is not an ultra liberal state like multicultural devolved Britain? where people are free to form what identities they like, including a Scottish parliament, and where the state is so ashamed of its recent colonial past it is reluctant to promote any form of British cultural identity for fear of being accused of 'jingoism'?
2

arkletten,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 03:44:17
Added to my last (seems to have been cut off)

Examples of a state where the government has a monopoly over 'public and political identity' are North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

Yet Williams insinuates this is multicultural Britain.

In Tunisia you have to apply to the government to start up a cricket club. In Britain anybody can start up any association they like, and draw up rules for their own members. Compliance is voluntary. Religious groups can too, and so sharia courts have sprung up using the same basic freedoms that our liberal constitution allows.

So it is difficult to imagine what Williams means that the British government should do further for 'a scheme allowing for supplementary jurisdiction' than already exists; unless it is that the government should somehow step in to enforce any judgements, thus turning Britain into a sharia state.

This is what he said; and if he didn't mean to say this then the only alternative explanation is that he didn't know what he was saying.

Either way he has lost the plot.
3

A Scott,

Glasgow 11/02/2008 07:55:59
So now the Moderator of the CoS wants to see public beheadings,hands cut off, the suppression of womens rights etc etc .(If I was a teenage moslem girlin the UK I would be very afraid of the introduction of Sharia law)
No wonder the CoS is losing punters when diddys like S Kesting are in charge........Idiot
What is it with people like her they opine from their ivory towers yet when ordinary people give their own opinions back the do gooders call it a witchhunt.
4

Ned,

Morningside 11/02/2008 09:18:07
The Moderator of the CoS just cant get it right. There should not even be thinking of any debate about Sharia law in this free and liberal country ( The UK ).
The response against Dr Williams and even a hint of Sharia law was the correct one.
This was an overwhelming affirmation of respect and understanding of secular law and the equality of all citizens under the law.
There is no room for appeasement on this issue. Britain may have its faults but it is one of the top countries in the world.
God help us if we ever change our democratic heritage.
5

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 11/02/2008 11:45:53
Any law that turn its back on the plight of young girls, brutally murdered if they fail to respond to medieval traditions and forced marriages should be shunned and outlawed.
6

Itchy,

11/02/2008 13:00:45
"As a fellow faith leader, he is entitled to bring issues like this into public debate and explore the way in which different people and religions can live together. "

How much interfaith dialogue is there in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan, etc?

Sharia law is totalitarian and any attempt to join any church with the state should be rejected.
7

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 16:09:56
We can't compromise with Sharia law, which is fundamentally unjust.

Moreover, there must be one law for all - in the words of the good old saying, "Be you never so high, the Law is above you." That applies to Muslims too.

Dr Williams is either mad or bad. In either case, he must go.
8

The Daleks,

Longmen 11/02/2008 20:13:47
The Archbishop of Sharia is an absolute disgrace.

Would an equivalent Muslim cleric argue for the same rights for Christians in Saudia Arabia or Iran?

He might (ha ha) but they'd soon chop his head off.

How would the bold Archbishop of Sharia fare himself if he turned up in Taliban country?
9

Gdgy,

dundee 11/02/2008 21:15:22
A few days later and Big Rowan doesn't seem to know what he meant and why he repeated himself and was continously misunderstood in tens of interviews...
Suggests a lack of worldliness, at least, or a lack of intellect...
10

Fergus J,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 21:35:23
Sharia Law-is that not an oxymoron?
We draw a line in the sand. No concessions. Which planet does the Moderator inhabit?
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Aiken Head,

13/02/2008 00:11:03
Have to disagree with Mr McBay - very rare that - but only slightly.

Yes, he was right to provide an illustration of exactly why religions must be denied their special privileges. He might not see it that way but it is always hard to tell with him (Rowan that is, not Alistair I hasten to add!).

 

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