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Published Date: 11 August 2008
I AM really confused. Your "Quick News" story on page 11 on August 7 states that Alex Salmond was in Inverness telling people there that the money he intended to spend on the A9 is being spent on the Edinburgh trams.
On page 17 your article highlights an SNP U-turn. Apparently Stewart Stevenson now wants to support further extension of the Edinburgh trams. His reason for doing so is that he can see the "logic" in expanding the network because it would cost consi
derably less per mile once the initial framework in place.

As a civil engineering contractor for 40 years I have never heard such rubbish. The only economy that could be gained would be in using the same rolling stock and making it go further or faster.

Trams are a linear construction process, there is no way that substantial economies could be won just by having an existing line. There is indeed evidence to the contrary from places like Manchester were the extensions to there tram systems cost a lot more that the initial lines.

It is conceivable that Line 1b could be built for the price due mainly to the fact that it will run on an abandoned rail line which would obviously be cheaper than digging up Princes Street. The line out to the Royal Infirmary would however be a different and more expensive project that will cost much more that the current route under construction per mile.

Would the real Stewart Stevenson stand up and do a U-turn again!
John R T Carson, Forthtag, South Queensferry

It's time to speak up over Caltongate
IT would be great it the council's incompetence over the Caltongate planning application actually put the project at risk (City's major blunder, August 7), but for some reason the SNP and the Liberal Democrats seem determined to bulldoze people's homes and a Victorian school building for Trevor Davies's grotesque vanity project.

Shirley Anne Somerville is always keen to express her reservations about it: perhaps she could speak to her colleagues in the Cabinet and get them to call the public local inquiry they should have agreed to months ago. Or is her opposition pure cynical positioning?
James Mackenzie, Marchmont Street, Edinburgh

Let's splash out on thorough mop-up
PERHAPS the regularly reported incidents of flooding within Edinburgh could be alleviated if the council took the time to clear the countless blocked roadside drains.

Alternatively the water could be mopped up using flags and bunting!
John Bell, Braid Road, Edinburgh

No clean sheet to start with for city
ANY money that is put into our NHS service has to be welcomed, not by the way of a "quick fix", but as a long-term investment. For future improvement of health care services such as dental health.

Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP's Health MSP, has already "stuffed" the pockets of the medical consultants, it would appear she is doing the same with dental services, just to score political points.

Overall, £75 million of the public purse is to be spent by phasing the cost over two years, but what does this really mean for the taxpayer and for those who work in the public services and especially for job security?

It will certainly mean taxes will have to take the strain of adjustments over the two year period, which will have a possible knock-on effect on future employment in public services and many more cutbacks in consumer services.

The SNP-Lib Dem city council are espousing they are starting a new financial year with a "clean financial sheet". That is not quite true. They have a £5m deficit created by themselves, homelessness and poverty are still rife in the city, as it is all over Scotland.
Chas Dennis, Niddrie Marischal Road, Edinburgh

New fridge a cool way to go green
TOO often "going green" suggestions are synonymous with shelling out loads of money. So your article "Some bright ideas to beat the rise in household energy costs" (News, August 7) made refreshing reading.

Our family recently replaced an old fridge. For interest, we tested its energy consumption and compared it with its replacement. We were over the moon to discover that the new identical capacity model used 80 per cent less electricity than its predecessor. By our reckoning that is going to save our family £73 per year – not far short of the cost of the new fridge – to say nothing of the reduction in our carbon footprint.

There is an obsession with comparing prices whereas what we should be looking at are the comparative running costs.
Jenny Mollison, The Laigh House, Inveresk Village

Insult prompted a return to sender
RE the article on the Land Army badges (Scots women are honoured for their war efforts, News, July 23). I was not at all pleased with the outcome.

The certificate was unsigned, it had been sent without much thought and on the very day I got mine 50 ladies were in No 10 Downing Street, with only one from Scotland. I took that as an insult and returned the box to the sender.
Katherine P Wright, Dunsmuir Court, Edinburgh





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  • Last Updated: 11 August 2008 9:20 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Linda,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:56:55
As usual Chas Dennis doesn't let facts get in the way of his ramblings. The SNP is committed to a public National Health Service in Scotland whereas NuLabour is privatising numerous areas of the Health services in England.

Also any £5 million deficit incurred by City Council for year 2007/08 is as a result of the spending decisions taken by the previous Labour administration.
2

Jasbar,

11/08/2008 13:00:10
John Carson highlights how disjointed the political understanding of Edinburgh's tram project is.

Not for the first time from a politician, Stewart Stevenson is commenting beyond the bounds of his knowledge.

The economies of scale from extending the tram network would perhaps come from operating it, not constructing it.

We had been told that the business case for trams was sound. Now we find that it will take take expansion of the network for an operating profit to be realised - precisely what the realists said at the outset. Clearly, this single tram doesn't have any chamnce of returning breakeven, far less an operating profit.

I've said it before, the only way that trams will make an operating profit is if competing bus fares are hiked to the level needed to be comparable to the requirements of the trams' business model - coupled with cross-subsidy from profitable bus routes and removal of competing bus services.

This means that bus users will be subsidising tram users - higher transport costs for everyone.

The only way to avoid this may be for more subsidies from council taxpayers, either directly or as a result of lower "dividends" to the council from Lothian Buses.

We should remember that the SNP had the choice of power with Edinburgh's trams, or opposition and promoting the case to stop the carnage on the A9.

It chose the former. Hell mend them.







3

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:02:12
On Poverty the gap between rich and poor has widened under Gordon Brown's chancellorship.

Tax concessions for non Doms while Labour doubles tax rate for lowest paid from 10% to 20% also hitting pensioners and students.

Funding for the most vulnarable in Edinburgh reduced by £15 million thanks to Gordon Brown's raid on National Lottery Communities Fund to help bail out the London Olympics deficit.
4

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:03:47
No 2 The SNP didn't choose Trams, it was forced to do so by the combined Tory, Labour and Lib Dem opposition at Holyrood. ino
5

Mikey,

11/08/2008 13:43:29
#2, are you suggesting that the SNP is responsible for the trams?
6

nemien,

Dublin 11/08/2008 13:52:38
Didn't your chancellor (then minister of Transport)cancel all of the tram projects in England because of rising costs and them not meeting the governments criteria on ecconomic viability?

Is Mr Stevenson claiming to know more that the Department of Transport?
7

jimmyharkins,

Warrington 11/08/2008 14:32:27
re Mr Nemien's comment "Is Mr Stevenson claiming to know more that the Department of Transport? " he certainly has more vision than Dft and the "Darling Doctrine" at work. When the £16.00 per Gallon post peak oil hits around 2013, Lothian Buses and others will not be able to compete with the "cheaper" Edinburgh Tram network - just look at Dublin and the modal switch back to quality public transport today
8

Miss H,

11/08/2008 17:10:10
2 Jaspar Stewart Stevenson said that the extension of the trams was a matter for TIE and Edinburgh City Council. He made clear that he would not block it (why would he?) but equally it is not something that is going to be funded centrally.

The Scotsman constructed a story out of that about an SNP U-turn.

You are also wrong to say that the SNP chose to support trams - the Scottish Parliamentn chose to support trams and the majority of people in Edinburgh voted for parties which supported trams. So people are getting what they voted for. That's the way democracy works.
9

Merouane,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 17:55:23
Jasbar wrote "We should remember that the SNP had the choice of power with Edinburgh's trams, or opposition and promoting the case to stop the carnage on the A9."

Wrong. If they had allowed the other parties to form the government, we would _still_ have got the tramline. The SNP have already made good progress in upgrading some of the most dangerous junctions on the A9. I doubt that would have happened if Labour/Lib Dems had remained in power.
10

Jasbar,

11/08/2008 18:21:58
I wonder whether you worthies actually read my post.

#4 & 5 The SNP knew full well they would not have been able to form the minority goovernment if it had binned trams in favour of upgrading the killer a9. The SNP put aside their opposition to trams, to gain power.

#8 The trams ARE being funded centrally. Only £40 million is coming from Edinburgh's council taxpayers. The majority of the rest is coming from national taxation sources, plus any grants from other bodies.

So the family of someone killed on the A9 is subsidising Edinburgh's trams rather than helping to upgrade the road that may have prevented their loved on dying.

THE SNP didn't support trams. They should have had the courage of their conviction and still binned it, politically difficult though that may have been.

Yes, the Scottish Parliament, on a narrow balance, voted for the trams - to their eternal shame.

Now, let's belie your major faux pas where you say that the majority of people in Edinburgh voted for parties that supported the trams. This is patently wrong and an untruth.

Over 60% of the electorate did NOT, repeat NOT, vote for parties supporting the trams. The figures are there to prove it.

There was NO mandate for trams in Edinburgh. That's why there was no referendum.

After the toll tax referendum it is clear that the illusion that is our "Democracy" will never again allow a plebiscite when it does not know that the result will be as the powers think it should.

Your belief in our "Democracy" is quaint. You really should read more. Perhaps you would understand that our political system is about control, and you can't maintain control by allowing the masses real power.

You're given a vote. You invest that vote with a candidate. You hope he will spend it wisely. But you've no say over what he does with it. Until the next election. When he makes more promises to you and he is returned or binned. It's of no consequence, even if binned, the next
11

Jasbar,

11/08/2008 18:23:18
Even if binned the next one is simply a clone, who will respond in exactly the same way to the control system to assure his political career and expenses and publicity.

12

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 11/08/2008 20:52:29
More utter garbage I see from the taxi driver.
You talk about voting, well the MAJORITY OF COUNCILLORS (DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED) VOTED FOR THE TRAMS.
A few serial letter writers to the evening news won't ever change that fact, despite the lies peddled by them.

Deaths on the A9 ? Blame the car drivers, not the Edinburgh trams.

 

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