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SNP budget: 'Labour could credibly claim to have a chance'



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Published Date: 09 January 2009
Evening News Comment
THERE is much speculation about what would happen if the SNP cannot win enough support to get its budget through the Scottish Parliament.
Finance Secretary John Swinney has stated plainly that if it failed the Government would have to leave office. Under the rules, if the First Minister resigns parliament has 28 days to select a replacement – but if MSPs cannot agree on a new First Min
ister, an election must be called.

It is against this background that Labour must decide whether or not to vote against Mr Swinney's budget.

It is not yet clear whether the SNP can secure the support of the Tories, the Greens and Margo MacDonald to ensure the budget is endorsed. But if they cannot, the question of whether to effectively bring the Government down would be a very fine call for Labour.

Last year, Alex Salmond threatened to quit if the budget was not passed and Labour's abstentions were enough to make sure the issue did not arise. Labour perhaps felt it was not in their best interests to have another election which may well have seen the SNP returned with even more seats.

But since then things have changed. The extended honeymoon which the Nationalists enjoyed is well and truly over. Four of their flagship manifesto policies – school rebuilding and the smaller class sizes, the Scottish Futures Trust and Local Income Tax – all lie in tatters and Mr Salmond's attempts to establish himself on the international stage have failed.

While Labour has benefited from the Brown bounce over the Prime Minister's handling of the credit crisis, Mr Salmond has appeared powerless to make any significant impact .

But there would be real dangers in voting down the budget. If Mr Salmond resigned, Labour would put forward Iain Gray as the new First Minister – but whether he would be endorsed by a majority of MSPs is not clear.

If Labour did form a minority government, it could find difficulty in pushing its own policies through – although it could expect to be cut a little more slack from Westminster than Mr Salmond.

And it would have to face the possibility of public disaffection over a change of government without an election. Equally, however, plunging the country into an election in a time of economic crisis is unlikely to go down well either.

But Labour might risk it if the majority of members agree that it has nothing to lose.

With the chickens beginning to come home to roost, the risk of the SNP being returned to power at Holyrood with a more clear-cut advantage seems slimmer than before and for the first time since 2007, Labour could credibly claim to have a chance of regaining power.





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  • Last Updated: 09 January 2009 9:18 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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09/01/2009 10:01:45
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tearortwo,

burton on trent 09/01/2009 10:13:06
Brown hasn't bounced as far as Scotland on his current tour of Britain, perhaps believing that Glenrothes had re-established Labour's credentials as the natural party of government in Holyrood and he has no need of currying further favour north of the border.

Mind you, it can't be easy bouncing on a burst balloon.
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Nikostratos,,

09/01/2009 10:53:28
'A' Budget will pass of that i am sure ole Alex and his greedy band of snps have been seduced by all the trappings of Devolved Government...The Chauffeur driven Limos..the bowing and scraping of the civil servants...Fancy meals with the Great and the good and sir Sean....High tea with the Queen......Government expense accounts..........on the telly

Nah! they aint giving that up they will in the great Unionist Tradition make a deal with the Devil to stay dipping into in the Trough of the Public Finances...
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Jimmy Le Pie,

09/01/2009 10:57:55
I notice no one has put their name to this 'article'?

Not surprising I suppose!!

Utter drivel, so it must be a New Labour Sleaze press release, dutifully reprinted by the Hootsmon.

Go on, lets have an election, both here in Scotland and a UK one and give us a chance to finally get rid of the bottom feeding Sleaze Party and all their corrupt ways.

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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09/01/2009 11:03:51
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09/01/2009 11:08:55
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Nikostratos,,

09/01/2009 11:25:26
#4 Jimmy Le Pie

This article was written by 'EveryScot'
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/01/2009 11:27:12
although it could expect to be cut a little more slack from Westminster than Mr Salmond

There it is in a nutshell. The Labour Party have used Westminster to punish Scots for voting SNP.
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subrosa,

09/01/2009 12:13:15
# 3

Niko, do I detect a wee bit of jealousy there?

If I had the chance of being chauffeured around I'd grab it with both hands. Also I wouldn't mind a few meals in the company of the great and the good, would boost my ego no end. As for tea with the Queen, well I've done that, got the tea leaves.

So Niko, see what you've missed not climbing the ladder as a yes man in a unionist party. Never mind, there's always time after independence.
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Megan H,

09/01/2009 12:25:50
the Scottish branch of New Labour would get hammered. Look about you. The uk is in meltdown largely due to new Labour policies
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Jimmy Le Pie,

09/01/2009 12:28:49
#6 The SNP are the only party who put the people of Scotland first.

New Labour Sleaze are primarily interested in their own place at the trough (in London).

Just look at constituencies where they've been in power for years - utter squalor, deprivation and corruption, 10p tax rates etc.,

The Tories are only concerned with big business and the wealthy.

And the LibDums - well they don't know what they stand for.

But all these parties are told what to do and say from London.

The SNP are only interested in Scottish affairs and Scottish wellbeing.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 09/01/2009 12:43:42
Its such a pity that Labour can not be more constructive in a minority parliament. Look at last years budget, they suggested an amendment, and the SNP accepted it, then they abstained anyway. And as this paper admits today, the Treasury would cut a Labour administration some slack, but not the SNP.

And labour have the check to acuse Alex Salmond of putting party before country, but isn't that what they are doing?
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Arfur,

09/01/2009 12:51:09
Has whatever idiot that wrote this garbage even had a look at the polls????? The SNP have a larger support now than at the time of the election. But lets not let facts get in the way of another SNP bashing by this Labour lackey rag.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/01/2009 13:13:17
we have a gibbering liebour eejit broon in westminster that has bankrupted the country. and intends to make the people of scotland pay dearly for having an snp government, and we have a gibbering liebour eejit gray in opposition in holyrood who is nothing but a lackey of broons,both of them dread an election when the people of scotland and britian will show them what they think of current liebour policies that have left debts for the next generation to pay, millions unemployed,the £ at its lowest level ever in the currency markets,house prices in a downward spiral,banks bust,the list of liebour failures is endless.the lies sleaze and corruption are now common practise with liebour politicians.

WE ARE DOOMED WITH BROON,DOOOOMED
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 13:17:47
Evening News Journos should read this morning's Independent..

Brown goes from Boom to Bust...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brown-goes-from-boom-to-bust-1242579.html

Only 28 per cent of respondents said they were confident in the Prime Minister's ability – down from 42 per cent last October – and only 16 per cent voiced confidence in Mr Darling, down from 25 per cent over the same period
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 13:25:14
In a Scottish election it is no contest between one of the greatest Scottish politicians ever Alex Salmond and Iain Grey (no this spelling is correct).

Check out to-day's Scotsman
for Robert McNeil's amusing Holyrood Sketch on the Elmer Fudd of politics, Iain Gray...

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/The-Sketch-Iain-leaves-.4859262.jp


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Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 13:36:12
Usual EEN pro-Labour tripe but hey-ho, it still makes a good base for the cats litter-tray.

Heres an obvious scenario arising. SLAB somehow manage to garner enough Holyrood support to turf out the electorally-popular SNP. SLAB then have to govern through 2 years of slump, with Broon/Westminster Labour in terminal decline at the same time and with Cameron getting ready for Downing Street. In 2 years time or so, Labour is kicked out of UK government, the Tories move in ... and hard on the heels of tha, a SLAB Holyrood government is slaughtered at the polls by the SNP as the Scottish reaction to UK-wide Tory government.

Which is precisely why SLAB will NOT be the turkeys who vote for Christmas. On the other hand, yer average Turkey has a brain the size of a pea, so I wouldn't put it past them LOL !
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Alec M,

Falkirk 09/01/2009 14:04:46
#14 & 17 - Can Nu-Liebore afford the costs of even ONE Scottish election in 2009, with a "National" election due to be held by May 2010?
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Fortitude,

09/01/2009 14:26:24
it is a leader not an opinion piece - seriously tin foil hat brigade get a grip
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Nikostratos,,

09/01/2009 14:35:32
#9 subrosa

Of course you would but then you are not a moral person..you should put yourself up for election fit right in at holyrood..
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09/01/2009 14:47:30
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alanh,

ek 09/01/2009 14:55:37
can some nice person please tell me why my comment at number 1 was removed?

It says it was removed by admin but does not give any reason?
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09/01/2009 15:07:06
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Nikostratos,,

09/01/2009 15:26:00
Scotsman can you please remove the comment at #23 asap
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 09/01/2009 16:47:11
If the SNP lost the budget vote (I don't think they will lose), you could bet that Maggie Broon would appear with a poof, in a turban and baggy pants offering Wee Tavish and Annabelle three wishes each, if only they would vote the invisible man in as First Minister.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 18:28:38
When are we going to get an opinion poll showing Scottish voting intentions.

We are being led to believe that after Glenrothes (7000 Postal Votes) Labour are on the up.

Anybody who believes that must be nuts or a JP employee.

Let's have an opinion poll or an election and that will show the true abysmal support for Labour.

We are still waiting for details of Marshall's expenses.
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Boab1,

09/01/2009 19:19:00
Yes, #6, in exactly the same way that the Labour Party are supported by a minority of the British electorate. The fact they have such a huge majority says more about the voting system than the LP's popularity.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 20:45:19
'Labour could credibly claim to have a chance'

A chance of what exactly?

Discerning readers will no doubt note the number of sentences in the above article beginning with either a preposition or a conjunction.

Surely not even this grammatically challenged Hootsman hack believes that Iain Gray is a credible alternative First Minister to Alex Salmond?

Maybe we have uncovered “Rufus” in all his glory?
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alanh,

ek 09/01/2009 20:56:51
Nikostratos,,09/01/2009 15:26:00
Scotsman can you please remove the comment at #23 asap

can you give me one reason why please?
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alanh,

ek 09/01/2009 21:15:12
here's another copy from the rss feed.
can someone please tell me why this and my first post this morning that it is a copy of were removed?
If not I am probably liable to make the same mistakes when posting.
I even reported it myself and aske dthe admin to let me know thru my email what was objectional from it with no result except it being removed?
i simply dont get what is meant to be wrong with it?
can some intelligent person please let me know why it should be removed as poster #24 wanted?
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alanh,

ek 09/01/2009 21:15:31
as promised here's the copy

here is a copy of my first post from the RSS feed "If Labour did form a minority government, it could find difficulty in pushing its own policies through – although it could expect to be cut a little more slack from Westminster than Mr Salmond. And it would have to face the possibility of public disaffection over a change of government without an election. Equally, however, plunging the country into an election in a time of economic crisis is unlikely to go down well either. But Labour might risk it if the majority of members agree that it has nothing to lose. With the chickens beginning to come home to roost, the risk of the SNP being returned to power at Holyrood with a more clear-cut advantage seems slimmer than before and for the first time since 2007, Labour could credibly claim to have a chance of regaining power." Whats up with this paper today? No made up LIT scare story to run? Now you admit that if * i had written nu lie-bour without the hyphen* was in power they would get more slack cut them than Westmonster already do? Why? So does that mean you finally accept than Nu Lie-bour, london, have been the ones picking fights with our govt? And in the next paragraph you show us how much you think Nu lie-bour, North Brittian dept, think of our country. They would rather return their noses to the trough and cost us a lot of cash during a recession than try to come to a compromise with the minority govt to try to fight for our country Your final paragrahp is the funniest one tho if you cant see the evidence of every poll and every vote that has happenned since our new govt has come to power, ie that the number of votes for the SNP has risen. But dont let facts get in the way of your nu lie-bour press releases " can admin point out why it was removed please?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 21:36:29
#31 Alan.

I cannot point as to why your post was removed as it appears to be have been totally inoffensive.

All I can say is I note that more than one of my posts has been deleted, and subsequently rescued by other individuals using the RSS facility.

I wonder what the common denominator may be?

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Nikostratos,,

09/01/2009 21:45:32
Scotsman can you please remove the comment at #31 asap
he has posted it again.

#30


because you are a bad person i am sorry to say
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 22:02:11
#33
Scotsman, I would prefer if you did not remove the comment #31.

As far as comment #33 is concerned, please retain that one also.

It reeks of a fascist attempt at censorship of free speech, and should be broadcast to as wide an audience as possible.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

09/01/2009 23:01:05
#34 bully wee alba,

Got to agree with you.

Can't see anything offensive or indecent.

Censorship gone mad maybe???
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mr angry,

ayrshire 10/01/2009 10:20:57
29# Just because he is a Richard Head
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clacks 10/01/2009 11:06:41
Maybe Labour will just sit on their hands again and abstain.

31* There is nothing wrong witht his post, i have come to the conclusion that Scotsman staff rarely if ever read the ones they are asked to get ridd off.

It wouldn't be the first time that unionists have shown a fear of the truth being told.

BTW alanh, well done on not directing your post to any individual, it's pointless, it's what certain unionists want and anyway it's far bettter to make points to the majority who read these posts but do not send in their own.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/01/2009 11:29:32
The EEN Nu Lab leader writer gets all excited...
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/01/2009 11:32:18
poster 5 would rather we went back to the auld days when 1 hour per month at London was devoted to Scottish matters. We knew oor place in those days.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/01/2009 11:36:00
30 it was removed cos Niko is the leader writer and he's having a wee huff !
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Brian Hill,

10/01/2009 23:25:28
#8 Gregor: Got it in one!!

#12Thomas79: And labour have the cheek to accuse Alex Salmond of putting party before country, but isn't that what they are doing?

Yes it is Thomas.

I'm sure the EEN could do better than this. This isn't the East Fife Mail we're talking about it's the Edinburgh Evening News.

How about some articles worthy of the paper of a great capital city?

 

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