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Fan power saved the derby, long let it be so



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Published Date: 13 October 2008
WHAT if Wallace Mercer was right? It's a question you won't readily hear raised in the pubs and bars around Easter Road or Gorgie.
But with the Edinburgh derby almost upon us, it is one I think well worth exploring now.

Should Hearts have been allowed to swallow up Hibs and create a single footballing force for the city? Could it have worked?

Our shared Capital is one that
has grown at least in part, after all, by being a major financial centre. But in the claws of an unforgiving credit crunch, mergers are now the only hope for some of our best-known banking names.

So why not football?

Hearts are saddled with a debt that could break a small nation despite its foreign investor while, at Hibs, there isn't a will to speculate on new players now the family silver has been pawned to Glasgow.

So I ask again, was the Great Waldo right all those years ago?

Rather than being vilified, perhaps Mercer should have been lauded as a visionary for looking at the economic argument, rather than the emotional one.

I mean, our two Scottish Cup victories, European runs, Youth Academy and vastly-improved stadium aside – have Hearts progressed any?

Does a solitary CIS Cup win illustrate the highlight or failings of a selling policy that is the hallmark of Hibs' business model?

If the plan Mercer hoped to implement had been executed, would it be Edinburgh not Glasgow dominating Scottish football? We will never know. And as the blood boils while you read the above, I'll adopt the persona of Michael Winner to whom I am sometimes compared, and say: "Calm down dear".

Wallace's idea was never a notion I ever subscribed too. I pose the question simply to illustrate a point.

Which is this: Hearts and Hibs are both institutions that are bigger than one single person, or Board, one set of business ideals.

When the very future of Hibs was under threat it was their fans that rallied and saw off the plan.

It was their campaigning that not only forced Mercer to back down, but also in time led to their club being saved. And Jambos played their part too.

When the hand of Chris Robinson almost saw Hearts go out of existence, it was the fans again who road to the rescue. Collectively they pooled their resources and, like me, opted for the best option available.

At that time, it was Vladimir Romanov. Right now, we really don't know what the future holds under his rule. If push comes to shove I have no doubt at all that the fans would act again should the prospect of the club going under ever come to pass.

I've stated as much in recent weeks.

You see Hearts and Hibs fans aren't just a source of revenue for their teams, not just numbers on a balance sheet.

They, we, are their lifeblood. Without them both would cease to exist. It is a power that whoever is in control must respect.

And nowhere is it more potent, displayed in a more pure form, than during the heat of an Edinburgh derby.

The noise and passion is raw and unbridled, the highs and lows felt more keenly than on any other occasion.

When Rod Petrie has decided that he's had enough, when Vladimir Romanov turns tail, the supporters will always remain.

As it should be.

Hearts and Hibs fans enjoy nothing better than getting one over on their rival supporters.

A derby win can have you walking on air for weeks, while a defeat send you diving for cover until the next time.

Which is why this coming clash will be the most keenly anticipated for a very long time.

It seems like an age since maroon and green were pitted against each other and a lot has changed in that time.

New managers are in place, players have come and gone, and the league is as tight as it has been for years.

Mixed fortunes have peppered the opening displays from both sides.

No-one knows what this game will bring.

Except, of course, the bragging rights for weeks to come.

Being a columnist for a paper such as the Edinburgh Evening News has its benefits in that I have a forum to air my views.

And of course should Hearts win, I will pass comment as you'd expect.

If the unthinkable happens and something else occurs, then no doubt Hibs fans will flock to leave comments of their own.

And quite right too.

But whichever it is, whatever the result, let's be agreed on just one thing.

Wallace Mercer wasn't right, which is just as well.

Because had he been, we would have lost these treasured games forever.





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  • Last Updated: 13 October 2008 11:32 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Wanted ,

13/10/2008 12:09:44
Wallace who ?
2

Jambo4ever,

13/10/2008 12:30:26
#1

Wallace, a man who loved Hearts through and through!

3

LTYF,

13/10/2008 12:31:12
Away and bury your heid in the sand fatty!!!

The mess Hearts are in is mainly down to you selling out and getting the Hearts fans on board.

Wallet Mercer was right, there will only be 1 team in Edinburgh, at ER, playing in the green and white and called Hibernian.
4

Victorian-Ian . oap Edinburgh district .,

13/10/2008 12:32:04
Apparently, Hearts might be making a loan bid for Iwelumo. He should fit in well at Hearts - he doesn't loke scoring goals either!!
5

Jambo83,

West Lothian 13/10/2008 12:42:47
3 - LTYF

Calm down Paps!

I find you highly irritating.
6

VictorianGorgie,

13/10/2008 12:43:46
blah blah rhubarb.
7

Gorgie's Finest,

13/10/2008 12:44:15
#4

Get this info from your "Trusted" source at Crystal Palace did you serg? Hahahaha

Tick Tock
8

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13/10/2008 12:46:41
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Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:49:40
What gives Fatty Foulkes the right to comment on the way Hibernian FC are run? If he was involved they'd have been sold off to the first chancer who offered some magic beans and a bag full of empty promises. You fuxxed up at Hertz, so keep your greedy fat fingers out of our pockets.
10

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 12:50:56
What gives Fatty Foulkes the right to comment on the way Hibernian FC are run? If he was involved they'd have been sold off to the first chancer who offered some magic beans and a bag full of empty promises. You fuxxed up at Hertz, so keep your greedy fat fingers out of our pockets.
11

CBJambo,

13/10/2008 12:51:14
#4
Ha ha! Cracking joke mong boy... nearly managed to deliver it without a spelling mistake too!
12

CBJambo,

13/10/2008 12:53:15
#10
So he's not right then?
13

Gorgie's Finest,

13/10/2008 12:53:30
#9

The same reason you probably feel you have a right to speak about Hearts a team you know sfa about. now toddle along now that giro wont cash itself, and your dealers waiting for his money
14

Newcastle Jambo,

13/10/2008 12:54:12
What a strange article? Foulkes ask a (stupid) question and then answers it. Mercer was wrong because football is not about looking only at the economic argument, rather than the emotional one - the emotional one is all that matters.

Long live Heart of Midlothian. And Hibernian.
15

Gorgie's Finest,

13/10/2008 12:57:41
Whats the new date for administration? has anyone heard yet? It was meant to be last week we had a few seperate dates given to us i think last friday was meant to be D Day. Or have we been put secretely into administration?

Im sure the mongs over on thewheelsonourhousegoroundandround.net will have a new date for us
16

Wanted ,

13/10/2008 13:01:25
#15 you are not exactly splashing are cash. now are we ?
17

hibee4life,

13/10/2008 13:02:38
away Foulkes ya plum! your articles are about as well written as a 5 year old.

Tell all the hearts you know Wallace Mercer is.........................................
18

VictorianGorgie,

13/10/2008 13:03:02
#15 GF, i believe the hobos have a provisional booking in place for administration for every day this week, next week... and the two weeks after that.

if administration is not forthcoming during that time, they have an arrangement to pencil in administration for any further days of their choosing.

19

tynie tesco,

Gorgie road can you smell it.... 13/10/2008 13:03:41
Tick tock gorgie's finest.

Your doomed son, the baws aboot tae burst,
BIG team BIG debt Massive disapointment

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/272/swinecastleflatsnb7.gif
20

Gorgie's Finest,

13/10/2008 13:05:59
#19

Yawwwnn

Flats, tescos, car parks, massive debt......that your best is it?

21

m8hater,

wallyford 13/10/2008 13:06:38
its very hard to trust a man who not only sold out a socialist labour party to a right wing new labour war mongering party but also helped sell out a famous edinburgh football club to become the play thing of mad eastern european carpet bagger. George we trusted you with our party and our club you sold us out. it would have been safer trusting you with the drinks cabinet
22

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13/10/2008 13:14:11
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Wanted ,

13/10/2008 13:14:49
When the hand of Chris Robinson almost saw Hearts go out of existence, it was the fans again who road to the rescue. Collectively they pooled their resources and, like me, opted for the best option available.


A certain Mr money bags " vladimir romanov " phew
24

Pedro Lopez?,

In administration 13/10/2008 13:15:09
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Another attempt by Foulkes to get some cred with the Hearts fans after he saddled them with Vlad.

He questions Hibs' business model?

Was winning 2 cups in 45 years worth the debt which now has football agents running from club to club trying to find a home for Hearts players who will be offloaded, with or without their consent, in the January fire sale?

If they get that far. What sort of work do Ernst and Young get involved in?
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13/10/2008 13:22:23
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13/10/2008 13:25:20
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Forrest,

Livingston 13/10/2008 13:30:51
#24

If it was a choice between dying and dying whilst winning the Scottish Cup, playing in Champions League qualifiers and gubbing the green & white $h!+e in the most important derby game ever played, I know which option I'd choose.

Hibs - Edinburgh's wee team since 1875
28

the west end general,

13/10/2008 13:31:11
24
YES ITS WORTH EVERY PENNY
29

Pedro Lopez?,

In administration. 13/10/2008 13:31:49
No. 25.

Ah but we do see it and we're looking forward to the day that there is only one club in Edinburgh.

And, thanks to Foulkes and Vlad, that day won't be far away.
30

Wanted ,

13/10/2008 13:46:33
26 IanLegend,Musselburgh
C'Mon now son. no nastyness.
after all its only a game..
31

the west end general,

13/10/2008 13:49:06
agreed 30
there is a lot of sick stuff that could fly the other way so lets not go there,eh!
32

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

13/10/2008 13:51:33
Exactly what fans resources were pooled to rescue Hearts from Robinson's plans?

33

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 13:54:02
#24 "Was winning 2 cups in 45 years worth the debt?"

Yes. Yes it was. Given the choice I'd have even more debt, and even more cups. Was having a financial secure club worth not winning a mjor honour for 55 years, relegation, and seeing every promising player you had walk out the door for the sake of a couple of grand a week?

Not my money you see. How much debt the club has is of no consequence to me. I only care about what we win. And, given the choice, I'd like us to have won more.
34

Hib7062,

In my caravan making pegs to sell whilst being a t 13/10/2008 14:03:02
Fat Dod's recollection of events must have been clouded by the whisky - " And Jambos played their part" - aye right, I could count on one hand the number of Yams who wanted us to survive Wallets takeover.
George - you brought Vlad to Gorgie, the only show in town you called him, now eat some humble pie and admit you ballsed up - you are one of the people to blame for Hertz current predicament.
You sold out your fellow Hertz fans - your now wanting to deflect the attention.

The future's bright - the future's Green & White.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 14:05:05
#34 "In my caravan making pegs to sell whilst being a t"
Are we meant to finish that sentence off for you??
36

Accentsagiveaway,

13/10/2008 14:23:10
Wallace Mercer, Robinson, then Romanov,
The three stooge's anyone.
37

7heros,

13/10/2008 14:30:34
busbyfh or whatever u are called.

better to have "wee" knob than no knob aye.

as for you supporting this "Team" from edinburgh, proves you are noit even a jambo so why comment on these boards.

PRATT...

38

Hib7062,

In my caravan making pegs to sell................. 13/10/2008 14:30:40
#35 Obviously the small things in life keep you amused??
It was meant to say "whilst being a typical Hobo junkie" but clearly there wasn't enough space for this.
39

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 14:31:14
#33 - depends how you define major honour. Hearts have done naff all in Europe for decades (nul points for getting pumped in the qualifying stages, I'm afraid), made no impact in the SPL, and - unlike Hibs - have never troubled the League Cup in the best part of 50 years. What Hearts have won - or rather bought with huge borrowings - in the past 50 years which Hibs have not is two Scottish Cups. It looks like the price of that not exactly stunning haul of trophies may be the very existence of HoMFC, at least in its present form. The Hearts fans I know have already accepted adminstration as a matter of "when" rather than "if", and indeed are claiming it is a price worth paying to get rid of Vlad McMad. It is not in doubt is that Vlad McMad's business interests are in trouble.

Two SCs for the demise of your club wouldn't look like much of a trade to most football fans, but who knows what goes on in the deluded minds of the Gorski Boys? (Well, we do sort of know, as we have the weekly ravings of Lord Foulkes of PBS to enlighten us.)

But you're a big club. You'll always be a big club. Even when you're not a club at all, just a plaque on a wall in Gorgie Road - RIP HoMFC: 1874-200?
40

Lenny,

13/10/2008 15:05:35
Cant believe there is a Hearts fan saying he would happily take more debt for more cups!? Clearly not living in the real world. This kind of careless missguided thinking is the reason that Hearts are currently in the financial mess they are in.
41

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 15:09:17
#39 You've started your post like a response to me, even though it descended into some sort of random stereotype about what you imagine all "the Gorski Boys" think, so I'm going to respond.
Firstly, just to get this straight, I don't purport to represent the views of all Hearts fans. I represent the views of myself. We're not a secret cabal, we're just a group of a few hundred thousand individuals who happen to have one thing in common.
Secondly, major honour. The League or the Scottish Cup. But you knew that already, didn't you?
Thirdly, you'll notice I said I would have liked to win more. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that that means we haven't won much. We haven't. Neither have Hibs. And thats a sad indictment on both clubs. But that would suggest that you didn't need to list what we've won. But you did anyway. Kudos.
Fourthly, you say the "Vlad McMad"'s business assets are in trouble. Trouble? Hmm. Strong words, but he's certainly not as well off as he was a few weeks ago. No-one is. The mighty Sir Tom included. All football chairmen would have had money in shares, in banks etc etc - yes Vlad has lost money. But I'm yet to be convinced he's been hit significantly harder than any other football chairman.
Fifthly, I didn't say we're a big club. We're not. We're a decent sized fish in the small pond of Scotland. But we're nothing worldwide. We're bigger than Hibs though ;-)
Sixthly, I'm not sure fifthly is a real word. Sorry about that. Or sixthly come to think about it..
42

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 15:14:46
#40 Why? Would you not take a little bit of debt to have won a bit more?
43

VictorianGorgie,

13/10/2008 15:31:31
#39 GM, that was a hilariously twisted view of events, even by your own deluded standards!!! i salute your brass-necked-ness.

no impact in the SPL???

ha ha ha haaaaaaaa!!!! when was it that your mob split the OF?

done naff all in europe???

ha ha ha haaaaaaaa!!!! when was it that hibs got to the QF of the uefa cup during the last 20 years?

deluded beyond belief, twisted beyond belief, completely devoid of any credance.

hobos, perpetrating myths since 1875.

44

Lenny,

13/10/2008 15:52:29
# 42

I would say taking one look at the Hearts team on the park just now would give you the answer there. They have been going gradually downhill for a few years and now you cant even afford a real forward to get you goals. And I would not exactly call it a 'little bit of debt!!'

Still, nothing to worry about I guess!?

45

iwasthere0-7,

Dublin 13/10/2008 15:54:32
I have to admit that the fat gorgie pimpmeister was right, if a little misguigded. He should of course shut down the plukesqueezers that hide up swynecastle way.

The current world economic crisis could have beeen averted because the filth would never have gotten so much into debt, what is it now about 469 gazillion or something.

Still never mind when the new sewerage treatment plant goes up in gorgie (got to go with progress, it winnae smell sae bad) then Mr Romalot can offlay the debt against the mounting pile o keek at his disposal, errmm he has tried that one already and the keek wiznae worth debt apparently.

See yeas on Seturday ya shower o sheeite eatin barstewards
46

Lenny,

13/10/2008 15:55:57
Vic,

You finished 2nd ahead of the worst Rangers team in decades. And in recent years Hearts HAVE done nothing Europe. Unless the late 80's is now recent!?!? We may as well talk about Hibs getting to Semi Finals since age is not important!!

Strange comments for you I must say.
47

Lenny,

13/10/2008 15:55:57
Vic,

You finished 2nd ahead of the worst Rangers team in decades. And in recent years Hearts HAVE done nothing Europe. Unless the late 80's is now recent!?!? We may as well talk about Hibs getting to Semi Finals since age is not important!!

Strange comments for you I must say.
48

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:06:36
#44 Is it just me or is this conversation jumping all over the place??
Umm. The question I was asking was, would you prefer Hibs were in a bit of debt and had won something in the last few years or where they are now. You can compare yourselves to Hearts all you want, but that's hardly a good benchmark to use.
Oh, and just to clear another thing up, this debt Hearts have - whatever it may be right now - wasn't the result of some plan to buy success, it came from a succession of well meaning but ultimately not good enough men at the top. If Sir Tom sold up next week, and the new owner came in and said "we've no debt, I've just got us a £20m overdraft facility, I'm going to spend that money on new players and wages". Would there not be a little part of you that thought "ooh, this is going to be fun"?
49

Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:14:14
# 48

Firstly Hibs HAVE won something over the last few years. Yes the Scottish Cup is better, but the League Cup is still a Cup which even the really big teams like Rangers are only too happy to win.

Secondly, if your asking would I swap Hearts debt for a Scottish Cup Win the answer would be a big NO. I have almost seen my club go to the wall before and dont fancy dempting fate again.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:17:43
#45
"I have to admit that the fat gorgie pimpmeister was right, if a little misguigded. He should of course shut down the plukesqueezers that hide up swynecastle way."
Plukesqueezers? Is that us, the Hearts fans? How do you shut fans down? Or is that an affectionate nickname you have for the team.

"The current world economic crisis could have beeen averted because the filth would never have gotten so much into debt, what is it now about 469 gazillion or something."
Are we the filth as well? And are you actually suggesting that Hearts are responsible for the world economic crisis? Or am I misreading your statment. Cos that's what it looks like. Now, I'm no financial wizard, but I don't think the current state of the economy is because Vlad borrowed a few million pound from his bank. But you sound like a man who knows what he's talking about, so do enlighten me if I'm missing a step.

"Still never mind when the new sewerage treatment plant goes up in gorgie (got to go with progress, it winnae smell sae bad) then Mr Romalot can offlay the debt against the mounting pile o keek at his disposal, errmm he has tried that one already and the keek wiznae worth debt apparently."
I don't think they'd get planning permission for a sewerage treatment plant in gorgie. Residential area you see. And it's in completely the wrong place. You need a good supply of water for these things, so locating it near a river or the sea would be best. And when you say "the keek wiznae worth debt". The players, I assume are the keek, and you're saying they weren't worth as much as the debt? You may be right with that. But there's not many clubs in Scotland with a playing squad worth more than £20m. There's 2. At a push.

"See yeas on Seturday ya shower o sheeite eatin barstewards"
OK I'll see you on Saturday. Where do you want to meet? It'll be good, as there's no game on on Saturday I was at a bit of a loss as to what to do. We could go to the beach, get some ice cream and look at a se
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:18:04
wage plant
52

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 16:21:18
#47 Yes, but we still finished 2nd. A major achievement in this league - and something I've seen my club accomplish more than once. Can you say the same. You might say we bought that second place but no more so than Hibs bought the First Division after dropping down. And we still did it with a fraction of the expenditure of Rangers.

As for Europe, I'd say becoming the first Scottish club to qualify for the group stages of the UEFA Cup is an achievement. As was reaching the Quarters of the same tournament and being a whisker away from defeating Bayern Munich and getting to the semis. Wins against Bordeau, Basel, Athletico Madrid, Braga as well as Bayern are also fine memories. Hearts, by some distace, have contributed more points to Scotland's European coefficient than any other team outside the OF.

Finally, as I always go to Hibs home European games with my Hibby mate and he always goes to Hearts home European games with me, I can confidently say he's spent a lot more money watching Hearts in Europe than I've spent on watching Hibs in Europe over the period you're talking about.

To conclude, we've done alright in Europe with the same resources Hibs have.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:21:29
#49 You won the First Division title too. Don't forget that.
OK. Not £20m debt. What about a couple of million? Just enough to be a proper goalkeeper, maybe a midfielder or two? Go on - you know deep down it'd be fun to try to win stuff.
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Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:30:25
GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

"To conclude, we've done alright in Europe with the same resources Hibs have."

I have to pick you up on this one Im afraid. The resources were in no way the same. Hearts have for years and years been spending outwith their means. Thus the large debt. In the same time period Hibs have been cutting back. So the resources are in no way the same.

The 2nd place is obviously something you guys are really proud off so I wont put it down (as you chaps are prone to do with League Cups). However, I will say that had Hibs NOT been cutting back and had managed to keep all those players then I would fancy Hibs to match it.

Anyway, I know your posts and know you are one of the Jambos that can see no wrong in the club. So lets save time and agree to disargee : )


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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 16:31:56
#39 You should hope Hearts don't go into admin. Do you really want a revitalised, post-administration, Romanov-free, reformed Hearts FC climbing the divisions after being sold for a bargain price or otherwise reborn in some way - which all pundits and even Hibs fans agree we surely would be?

You'd constantly be looking over your shoulder. The irony with all the desperate Hibees and the constant "Hearts to be in administration on Monday" rumours on hibs.net (seriously - read the threads - laughable in their bitterness and hypocracy) is that having Romanov at Hearts is probably better for you as he constantly seems to make a mess of things. (Unless, of course, one of these days he gets it right, which I have a sneaky feeling he will)! Anyhow, as the Times rich list said, much of Tom Farmer's wealth is in property (tanking), plus he's bound to have more than a few shares (also tanking), so maybe you should worry about your own rich benefactor's financial status. At least ours has a proven interest in football.
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Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:37:59
# 53

Yeah very good. yawn.

Its really the likes of you I would have no sympathy for if Hearts did go to the well. You let the decent Jambos down. 2 cups in 40 years and 2 League titles in over 100. And they want to tell people about winning things!?!?
57

Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:39:07
# 56

above should read to the wall, not to the Well. As hard up as Hearts may be, I really cant see them getting taken over by Motherwell.
58

Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:43:19
# 55

I will add to that mate. Hibs are are self financing, they produce a profit and are in no way reliant on one person. If Tom Farmers wealth went then it would have no impact on Hibs as he doesnt pump money into us anyway. Hearts situation is far more complex in that they are bankrolled by the company which the owner has a stake.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 16:45:21
#54 By "resources" I mean fanbase. We have had three owners in a row who have chosen to try to compete in the SPL, and it's been proved that the only way to do that is to spend on wages to try to up the quality of player. I happen to agree with that. Romanov has actually achieved more with less than Robinson.

Hibs also did it by the way and got into financial strife so you're being hypocrytical by accusing Hearts of pursuing a policy your club has also pursued. You got saved by someone who's not willing to spend. Maybe this will happen to us and we'll follow the same cost-cutting path you did?

We both have VERY rich owners - the claims of Hibs fans that they try to make themselves out as the poor relations are laughable - ours have just choosen to try to invest in the playing side. It's a gamble and right now, given all the good times I've enjoyed as a Jambo, I'm happy we've done it that way than cave in to the OF and play into their hands. If the other SPL clubs showed similar ambition all at the same time, we could all spend less and mount a combined challenge to the OF.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:47:46
#56 That last comment was meant to be a bit of joke, but, pfft, whatever. Don't let that spoil your bitter little world.
I get it now, you're perfectly happy seeing Hibs do nothing for the rest of your life as long as there's a Hibs to see. I'm entirely confident that no matter what there'll be a Hearts in some form or another. So I'm perfectly happy to have a bit of a roller coaster ride, it's all about the entertainment for me. So what if we go out of business and start again? All part of the adventure. So don't worry yourself about not giving me any sympathy. I won't be looking for it.
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Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:53:56
# 59

Fully aware when Hibs done it, but this was only over a cpl of season, not decades. (the previous time we were in trouble was becouse our owners swapped all or money gor English hotels!!!)

But one thing is certain, Hibs and Hearts have both proven that with money you can have a good wee run and possibly win a cup but long term it doesnt work. A club our size cannot afford to pay the big wages you talk of. Well not without getting into a Hearts size debt of course.

Oh and your owners have NOT chosen to invest in the playing side, all money spent turns into DEBT. i.e. Hearts pay for it, not Romanov.
62

Lenny,

13/10/2008 16:55:36
# 60

May have been meant as a joke but it wasnt funny, just the same old you read here daily.

Tick Tock, Flats, 7-0, 6-2.... Better?
63

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 16:56:18
#56 2 Cups in 40 years or 2 cups in 10 years? I love how Hibs fans think 2nd place isn't a big deal in a league so dominated for so long by two such hideous clubs as Celtic and Rangers. We cost Rangers 11m by finishing second. This meant they couldn't buy their usual handful of 4m pound players and instead bought cheap and local - boosting your coffers by a fair bit in the process. No thanks necessary.
64

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 16:59:17
#62 Aye. Whatever. I'm new here. Sorry if I didn't read through all the old posts so I don't repeat whats been said before.
I'll try to be original in future.
65

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 17:01:26
#63 They have invested - the speculate to accumulate kind. As I said, we could be taken over by a thrifty owner next and you could be taken over by a big spender. Who knows? I just find some Hibs fans unbelievably smug and hypocritical right now - with one breath condemning Mercer for wishing the destruction of their club and with their next breath hoping the same happens to Hearts. Condemning a club for getting into too much debt when they did exactly the same thing.
66

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 17:12:42
#65 It's just a shame that if they do get a new ambitious owner who wants to spend a bit of cash, he'll be met with a ground full of people sucking on their teeth, tutting and saying "och now Mr Owner, I'm not sure we can really afford that now, can we?"
67

tynie tesco,

Gorgie road, can you smell it!!!!!!!!!! 13/10/2008 17:21:17
Right, lets put things into perspective here,
George foulkes should keep his BIG mouth shut, why bring Hibs into the conversation, he needs to worry about his own club,the same club he welcomed with open arms to Vladimir romanov,sell your shares to him he pleaded, and they did,in there droves,as usual,led up the garden path,like sheep,they all followed...
The hearts fans are now looking for pity,well you can be rest assured the rest of scottish football doesnt give a monkeys what happens to hearts,they are the most hated team in scotland, (FACT) 51 million pound new main stand? c'mon who are we trying to kidd on here(not albert by the way), It will never happen..
So c'mon on all you true hearts fans lets stand up as one and do something before its too late..

George foulkes yer a grade 1 plum...
68

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 17:22:41
#67 Aye, "A new player you say - but we got one of those LAST season." Thing is, Hibs fans have been so concerned with taking the moral high ground over the last few years and yes - even gloating!! - that now they've put themselves under pressure to a) always play flair football, b) always rely on young Scottish players, c) not spend too much money and d) always have very good, open, sensible owners (and how many of them are there really out there?).

My money is on them falling flat on their faces on all these counts over a period of several years giving us much enjoyment whatever happens to Hearts. a) and b) have already reaped rewards. Their only hope is that we go belly up, which is why they start all the admin rumours.
69

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 17:26:54
Sorry - that was to #66. To #68 - Yes, shame on us for daring to try to build a stadium that's more than concrete walls and crappy tip-up seats. That's certainly an indefensible crime. Shame on us! Shame!
70

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

13/10/2008 17:27:16
Sorry - to #67 with the shame.
71

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 17:31:03
#67 "most hated team in scotland" Get over yourself. For crying out loud.
And I don't think we are looking for pity. I'd go as far to say that your pity isn't needed. If I ever get to the stage where I need pity from a (I assume) Hibs fan, who is so bitter and twisted that he uses his user name to have a go at Hearts and shoehorns a mention of Albert Kidd into his nonsensical ramblings. then my life will have reached a very sorry stage indeed. I think I'd just have to kill myself.
72

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 17:32:41
#67 Oh, and I should have mentioned that while you say "the rest of scottish football doesnt give a monkeys what happens to hearts"
Your username, and general rantings, suggest that YOU care what happens to Hearts. You care very much.
73

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/10/2008 17:38:51
#68 And judging by the comments round here, as soon as the new owner starts planning to spend money they'll be out protesting!
It's going to be hardwork being a Hibee once Sir Tom sells up, that's for sure.
74

Jambo-ree,

13/10/2008 20:18:13
Calm down dears - All George is saying is that Hearts and Hibs need each other as lot of the fun of the season would disappear if one or the other was to disappear. No more derbies, no more wind ups, no more joshing at work....no more fun.

#73 You're right and STF is now 67 - how much longer before he cashes in his chips for his retirement fund, especially now.
75

Waspy100,

13/10/2008 21:00:25
#73
Good comments though do think petrie will do a runner witht the money?
I think he will.
76

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 13/10/2008 21:18:41
As a Hibs fan who goes back to the days of the Famous Five, I find it difficult nowadays to get wound up about any team that's made up of players whose names I can't pronounce and who've come from countries I couldn't find on a map. Football is more about money than sport nowadays and the rich arabs are now buying football clubs for their kids instead of cowboy outfits, although there's not much difference between the two.
77

the ba's burst,

13/10/2008 22:09:46
*Please enter your comment*

So remind us then "respected" and unelected (hey I just rhymed that) peer of the realm:

When Mercer's "vision" failed on some spurious excuse of a religious divide between Hibs and Hearts fans, were you a "lifelong Hearts fan" at that point nearly twenty years ago now, or were you still a rugger fan down in Ayrshire, who hadn't discovered football yet, before you peened yourself onto Hearts when you moved to Edinburgh and discovered civilisation?
78

I.J,

The Diggers 14/10/2008 00:58:19
It riles me to this day that the vermin will not accept Sir Wallace as their saviour. Had it not been for his clairvoyance, the vermin would have been taken to the wall by Duff and friends.

Sir Wallace motivated a lazy, apathetic fanbase to mobilise and save their tin pot excuse for a club.

And yet, how have they repaid him?

Sickening abuse and disrespect.

God bless you Sir Wallace, god bless you.
79

FFF,

14/10/2008 01:28:28
#78

Came very close to wetting myself, laughing at that...

80

I.J,

The Diggers 14/10/2008 02:45:41
#79 - Why?

It's rare that someone tells the truth on here.

The hibernian revisionism is a disgrace.
81

Black Five,

edinburgh 14/10/2008 10:06:31
You started your article by giving good reasons that there should be one team in Edinburgh.Then you let yourself down by saying it`s great to have derbies.Well George I credited you with more intelligence than that.What would you rather have,European Champions League,team beating Rangers and Celtic regularly,holding on to our best players and a 40 000 cap stadium where all edinburgh fans could go along to watch.The days of Hearts and Hibs are over.They belong to last century and the way forward is to bin them both and start again as a United Edinburgh.That`s the way forward.Mercer was right but he went the wrong way about it.Look whay you`ve got now.Two teams with no ambition but to beat each other.Pathetic.
82

FFF,

14/10/2008 15:49:03
You don't get it, do you? All mates together, sitting in the pub with our combo green/maroon scarves discussing the upcoming Edinburgh v Celtic game? I think not...and wtf has ambition got to do with over a century of LOCAL rivalry?
83

FFF,

14/10/2008 15:56:45
...and while we're on the subject, haven't heard too many suggestions about the OF merging in order to make a bigger impact in Europe. Why not? Makes sense to me.
84

FFF,

14/10/2008 16:03:25
#80

You were being serious? Now I really HAVE wet myself LOL!
85

Andy M - Hibby,

Dunfermline 14/10/2008 17:21:57
#81 I agree with some of what you say but Mercer never understood anything outwith his own ego. He thought that putting Hibs and Hearts together to make his Edinburgh United team playing in black and white at a new stadium off the city bypass would immediately create a new super club with 25000+ willing to watch them week to week. But it does not work like that.

Hibs and Hearts together have achieved a pathetic return of silverware in 40 years - 5 major trophies and not one of them the only one that really matters - the league title (Plus of course 5 relegations as well). But then neither are big clubs (they play in Glasgow) so perhaps we just have to be content with just getting one over each other and watching the real big teams on the TV. That's just the way it is.
86

Bleeding Heart...,

14/10/2008 22:36:57
#76 "...Hearts, they are the most hated team in scotland,(FACT)..."

Really? What evidence do you have for this pearl of wisdom?

Oh, that's right, NONE.

Another Hobo full of hatred inspired by an inferiority-complex...
87

"PAWS" FOR THOUGHT,

16/10/2008 11:07:38


A d1ddy derby for d1ddy Edinburgh teams.
Will the nation even notice?
Does the nation even care??

TEE HEE HEE
88

Bleeding Heart...,

18/10/2008 12:25:57
#87 BILEY - Why not? YOU obviously care...

 

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