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Eddie Barnes - Brown lives life to the 'devo max' in the McChattering classes



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Published Date: 17 February 2008
Join Scotland on Sunday political editor Eddie Barnes from Noon GMT today for an online chat about the issues of the day. Add your questions or comments below – now – and visit here later today for the live discussion.
I'M NOT sure that Scottish Office Minister David Cairns had Gordon Brown in mind when he complained about the "McChattering classes" last week.

But after the Prime Minister appeared to back 'devo max', in an interview to be aired today, it seems
Brown must now be classified among those ranks.

The change of tone is remarkable. In an interview with this newspaper last March, with the Scottish election looming, Brown was adamant that the status quo was adequate. "I think most people think the best way of advancing devolution is that the new arrangements are given time to settle in," he declared. End of story.

Today, he says: "There is an issue about the financial responsibility of an Executive or an administration that has £30bn to spend but doesn't have any responsibility for raising any pounds of that."

At the very least, Brown is now saying he is open to the idea of Holyrood gaining full tax powers. Taken further, it suggests he believes there is a democratic necessity for it.

It's easy to assess the reasons for the change. In the intervening period, the SNP has come to power and, in Wendy Alexander, his own party in Scotland now has a leader with unabashed support for more powers for Holyrood. Both Alexander and Alex Salmond will take credit for Brown's U-turn, though it is said that the Prime Minister has been coming round to the idea of change for some time.

Last autumn, he read with interest a pamphlet backing reform written by former first minister Henry McLeish and Scotland on Sunday columnist Tom Brown. His public comments today simply reflect a change of opinion that has been long time coming, say insiders. Aides point out that as far back as the 1970s, Brown was a committed devolutionist. It is no surprise therefore, they say, that he has now reached this view.

It may be no surprise to them, but it will certainly come as a shock to the rest of us. The prevailing wisdom last week was that it was Brown and his fellow MPs who were hell-bent on scuppering Alexander's plans for reform.

Labour was going through one of its regular turf wars over the Union that so delight the Nationalists. Now it appears the Prime Minister is not so much blocking reforms as leading a crusade for them. He even gives a hint as to the type of reform he favours, when he refers to how other devolved regions raise money through "assigned taxation".

Under such a system, a Scottish First Minister would set tax rates for Scotland. The Treasury would then calculate the amount of money such a rate would raise and then assign the money to Scotland. This would mean nothing less than the end of the Barnett Formula, the 30-year-old system under which Scotland is financed, which simply assigns a big fat cheque to Scottish ministers.

But powers may also go the other way, says Brown, talking of a "two-way street". Wouldn't issues such as climate change – devolved in the 1990s, but now a topic of global scope – be better dealt with at Westminster, some senior Labour figures ask. It would be wrong, therefore, to assume that Brown's comments signal a complete shift of power north.

Indeed, there are plenty of MPs opposed to further change, who believe that backing the new commission is a perfectly safe bet on the grounds that once the Scottish public realise that more powers for Holyrood could equate to more taxes for Scotland, all talk of fresh powers will be cast into the wilderness. Has Brown concluded that Scots will come round to this view and bet the odds? I would never be so cynical as to suggest it.

In the meantime, Labour will be hoping that his comments put an end to the corrosive claims of division between them, north and south. And it will probably, for a while. But those divisions have only been parked. Once the commission reports, the party will then have to reach a collective view on whether or not to back it.

One Labour Party source not normally given to hyperbole told me last week that he could only envisage a "a huge row at a conference, which you (journalists] will all love".

I'm still not entirely sure that Alexander quite knows what she started when she first floated her plans last summer. Despite Brown's backing today, this issue still has the potential to tear the party apart.

Join Scotland on Sunday political editor Eddie Barnes from Noon GMT today for an online chat about the issues of the day. Add your questions or comments below – now – and visit here later today for the live discussion.



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  • Last Updated: 16 February 2008 9:56 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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1

ratzo,

17/02/2008 01:01:06
Not really.

Its only really significant while Brown is in power in Westminster. A YouGov poll in today's Sunday Times confirms what all the polls having been saying for a long time now - Brown is counting down his last days.

With Brown and Alexander permanently out of power their views are virtually irrelevant.

Interestingly, the same YouGov poll shows startling gains for the SNP.
2

Merouane,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 01:02:22
I think you are reading a bit much into his comments if you think Brown would ever back "full tax powers". Even Wendy Alexander would not support that. They will back the fewest tax powers they think they can get away with whilst still appearing to support the premise that Holyrood should take "some" responsibility to raise what it spends.

I really can't see the argument that any increase in powers would fall through because it would open up the possibility of tax increases. Surely not to devolve these powers also leaves the possibility of tax increases. We also saw the people support the +/- 3p option at last referendum, at a time when the parties would have been perceived to be much more likely to use such a power.
3

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 17/02/2008 02:43:09
What will happen when David Cameron get's the PM job? Will that mean the end of the Commission?

Also, it's really important that the Commission is not taken out of the hands of Scotland and away from the people who will have to vote in any new powers, as seems to be the case at the moment. There needs to be full public debate on this issue now, as well as opportunities for ALL of Scotland's political parties to be involved.
4

Richardinho,

17/02/2008 02:56:34
Any new powers for the Scottish parliament should be welcomed. Any attempt to remove powers should be vigorously resisted.
I am sick of Labour's policy towards Scotland been dictated according to the 'how to kill the nationalists stone dead' idea, rather than 'how to benefit Scotland'.

I am sick of Gordon Brown treating Scotland as 'his own fiefdom' and no more than a substantial personal block vote for him.

The Scottish parliament should constantly try and lower taxes as much as possible to attract investment and encourage enterprise.
5

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 05:12:51
Well thats nice for Gordon Brown, but what he thinks is irrelevant to we Scots. We are leaving the Union and that is that.

Hey Ive got a good idea, why dont we believe Brown, Cameron or any other Londonman. Come to think of it why dont we bring Maggie the Bitch back to tell us to be happy with our lot in our own country. It will never happen, we Scots have been shafted by london that many times, it will be on our terms or without agreement.

What Brown is relying on is that his adoption of the final European Union constitution, will result in full membership, then he knows that he can simply refuse to give anything to Scotland, because there are no mechanisms within the EU to actually throw a country out. Yes I believe the likes of Brown and his sleazy corrupt New Labour Party are capable of anything.

The only problem for them is that in fact the Scottish and English Parliaments were never officially or legally wound up by either party. That obviously means we could make an approach to the UN or EU to have the fact certified as true. End of the Union wouldnt be an issue, because it never existed.
6

Spotter,

17/02/2008 10:21:47
yep Brown has made Cairns look an utter plonker
7

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 17/02/2008 11:30:18
The United Kingdom is now a quasi-Federal State in everything but constitutional name. The centralised, 20th Century British State is long Gone With The Wind!

Devolved Government in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales is now the status quo.

In another 10 years, the present devolved arrangement in the Celtic Nations will have developed into a truly Federal State.

Unless the U.K. accepts the realpolitik of this
constitutional change then the Nationalists will
advance even further in their aims to break up Britain!
8

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 11:30:28
Eddie,

If posts are not even allowed onto the board, never mind deleted, you are going to have to produce a monologue. My question to you have not appeared and I have been made to re-register.

Here we go again.

Why should the electorate believe in Mr. Brown's competence?
As Chancellor he achieved record levels of National Debt despite raising Taxes by 10%, selling off 50% of the country's gold reserve, raiding Pension Funds and taking a 5% windfall tax from the oil companies.
As PM, after 10yrs. as Chancellor, why did he not foresee the NR fiasco?
Was his early election on/off, political cowardice or accuity?
Is his "volte face" on Devolution, political opportunism or pragmatism?

How can the electorate have any confidence in Ms Alexander after she has been "exonerated" (Ms Alexander) of not being able to run her campaign office competently?
Should she be asking the Scottish people for a mandate to run Scotland's administration - after all her campaign ammounted to 5 people with a budget of £17 000 for a non-election campaign.
9

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:02:09
Afternoon. Any questions or issues you want to raise about today's paper, please fire away.
10

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 12:08:42
Eddie,

you have obviously chosen silence rather than a monologue.

40mins and no reply?
11

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:11:30
#8
Hi Frank,
I agree that Brown has a major problem heading his way to sustain what his reputation has been built on over the last ten years; ie - economic competence. THe problem he has now is that despite a recession heading our way, he can't spend his way out of it, nor lower taxes to help kick start the economy, because the public finances are in such a poor state. No wonder Alastair Darling is being talked of as a human shield.

On the decision to cancel the early election, I think he probably over-thought it, agonizing over the pros and cons for far too long. And then he bottled it.

I'm not sure about his comments today about devolution but I think we have to take them at face value. You can't un-say what he's now said - that there is a democratic case for the Scottish Parliament having more responsibility over raising funds. That is a major development, whatever his motives.

Re Wendy, her first big test will be the European elections next year. If Labour in Scotland do badly there, then there will doubtless be a lot of Labour MPs worrying about how they will do in the next General Election.
12

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:15:20
#3,
Andrew,
Seeing as the Tories have signed up to the Commission, it would carry on regardless of who is in power at Westminster.

I think this Commission could end up playing into Cameron's hands - if it comes back arguing that Holyrood should get even powers, thereby taking further powers away from Westminster, surely he can make the point ever more forcibly that a Scottish MP no longer has a democratic mandade to be PM?
13

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:22:40
I've just realised that this web chat clashes with Brown's interview on the Politics Show. It's worth a watch, if only to see the ever-so-subtle dig at Jack McConnell.....see if you spot it.
14

The Answer,

Glasgow 17/02/2008 12:22:54
G Brown has called "the fat ones" bluff, the transfer of tax raising powers to scotland will need to include the funding and payments of social security out of said tax's!. SNP worst nightmare is just starting.

15

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 12:27:21
Eddie.

Thanks for the reply.

However, you say that we should take what Mr. Brown says at face value. Does that include his assertion that the UK economy is in good shape - £3 000 000 000 personal debt, record National debt and record taxation levels?

You really did not answer my obsevations re Ms Alexander. Is she in any position to ask the people of Scotland to run the country when she could not, clearly stated by the EC, run a campaign team of 5, with a budget of only £17 000 for a non-election, competently?
16

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:33:56
Frank,

My comment about taking Brown at face value was in relation top his comment about devolution, not about the UK economy. I think he's wrong about that.

Re Wendy, yes I think there are big questions about her judgement and competence following the first few months, which she will have to answer. It's a perfectly fair point for the SNP to make: why would you entrust the country to someone who can't run her own campaign? Frankly, this isn't just about Wendy - anybody will tell you that the Labour party in Scotland is a bit of an organisational shambles at the moment.
17

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 12:35:01
#14, the answer.

I'm sure the Scottish Government will be pleased to have the problems of utilising tax revenue for the betterment of the people of Scotland.

The problem that Westminster has, is it prepared to cede FULL FISCAL AUTONOMY to the Scottish Government. Anything less will not solve the problem; only exacerbate them.

While you're here Eddie, I hope you'll comment.
18

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:36:45
I see the most commented-on story this week is Marc Horne's story about the Moderator and anti-Englishness. There's the usual comments, but number 283 stands out....

I always got on well with the English till I marrird one.

19

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 12:42:28
Eddie.

Thanks again.

You often get a bad press from posters of an Independence persuasion and, at times, quite rightly so. However, I have been quite impressed by your frankness in your replies, to me.

Hopefully this frankness will inform your reporting, at all times, in the future.
20

eddie barnes,

17/02/2008 12:43:45
#14 and #18

This is a difficult one. Do I think that there is a democratic deficit when a parliament has no say over raising money, but complete freedom to spend it? Yes.

Am I, as a taxpayer, prepared to see more of my income diverted from my childrens' mouths to pay for that? No, frankly.

I think the advocates of assigned taxation, or fiscal autonomy, or whatever system, have to prove to the SCottish public that this is going to boost the country's economy and not cost them a fortune. That's not proven at the moment and it's up to the people on this Commmission to prove.
21

frank mcbride,

lusitania 17/02/2008 13:03:13
Eddie.

A bit of evasion in your reply, I think.

Essentially, Full Fiscal Autonomy is Tax neutral. Where the differences come is in the utilisation of the tax take.

Different priorities, as evidenced by the SP, can be funded from the same amount of money.

The real problem for Westminster is that FFA will prove the lie of Scotland as a "subsidy junkie".

 

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