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Constitution commission will listen to any opinion – unless it's nationalist



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Published Date: 04 September 2008
Sir Kenneth Calman says of his commission of the great and the good: "It is quite wrong to imply we are not interested in engaging with all shades of Scottish opinion" (Letters, 2 September).
The annexe to the commission's first set of minutes, from 28 April, 2008 and available to all on its website, states that "the commission starts from the position that Scotland should remain a distinctive part of the United Kingdom", which rather
contradicts the statement in the next bullet-point that "the commission will consider the distribution of powers between the Scottish Parliament and Westminster without preconceptions".

Indeed, it even goes on to suggest that any change to these bounds for deliberation would "be justified only if it serves the people of Scotland better and secures the continuation of the Union".

There you have it. No preconceptions at all, except perhaps for those it already had when it began. Extraordinarily, given the commission's conceit of being "evidence-based", we learn that even if it could be proven beyond all doubt that independence would serve the people of Scotland better, that option would be discounted instantly by the commission because it does not secure "the continuation of the Union".

Since we must assume these minutes represent a true and accurate reflection of proceedings, it is clear that nationalists need not apply, at least not if they want their views to be considered in any meaningful way.

So, is Sir Kenneth being deliberately disingenuous in his claim that he wants to engage with all shades of opinion or does he genuinely not understand the contradiction at the heart of these statements? I must say, none of the possible explanations bodes particularly well for the quality of the final outcome of his deliberations.

RICHARD THOMSON
Western Avenue
Ellon, Aberdeenshire


The recent "growth in support" for the SNP, as asserted by Arne Park (Letters, 1 September) had nothing whatsoever to do with the people of Scotland wishing new constitutional arrangements.

With Labour in such total disarray, north and south of the Border, a half-competent Monster Raving Loony Party, funded by millionaires and helped by starry-eyed zealots, would be in the position currently occupied by the SNP.

Remember, by "growth in support", Mr Park is referring to around 13 per cent of the electorate actually voting for the party at the last election, and in the recent Glasgow by-election the triumphant SNP winner was not voted for by four out of five electors. Growth in support? You're having a laugh.

A general disillusionment with all politicians and politics in general is more like it, with the SNP being the beneficiary.

ALEXANDER McKAY
New Cut Rigg
Edinburgh


Hamish Macdonell is right to highlight the dithering by Tavish Scott as to whether he would support an independence referendum or not (Debate & Opinion, 2 September). The Labour Party in Scotland is also dithering: Wendy Alexander did call for a referendum now, but this was vetoed by Gordon Brown. What the party supports now is anybody's guess. I am proud to belong to a party that knows exactly what it wants on this issue.

JIM CARSON
Larchfield
Balerno, Midlothian




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  • Last Updated: 03 September 2008 9:18 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Tynietiger,

04/09/2008 01:01:58
British Nationalists like Alexander McKay should recognise that if his theory was correct the Tories would be winning by elections in Scotland, not the SNP.

And the turn out in Glasgow East was up despite being held in middle of Glasgow Fair.
2

Stuart W,

Dundee 04/09/2008 02:41:19
Tynietiger,04/09/2008 01:01:58: wrote:

"British Nationalists like Alexander McKay should recognise that if his theory was correct the Tories would be winning by elections in Scotland, not the SNP."

Why? If voters want to give the ruling party a bloody nose then they generally vote for the party most likely to oust them, which in Scotland is the SNP, while in the UK as a whole it's the Tories.

This could, of course, mean other parties receiving the protest vote at the local level, but at the national level the principle holds true.

"And the turn out in Glasgow East was up despite being held in middle of Glasgow Fair."

Well if that was an improvement then I would keep quiet about it if I was you!!
3

Colin Wilson,

04/09/2008 06:31:09
"Indeed, it even goes on to suggest that any change to these bounds for deliberation would "be justified only if it serves the people of Scotland better and secures the continuation of the Union"."

Those two criteria are mutually contradictory. The commission will find it doesn't have much to report.
4

Isonomia,

Lenzie 04/09/2008 08:32:50
The purpose of a government consultation is to give those of opposing views the hope of being listened to and to direct them to spend enormous amounts of efforts working with the consultation, so that the government can get on with what it always intended to do whilst the opposition is elsewhere occupied.
5

Darien,

Panama 04/09/2008 08:43:45
The Calmac Commission is a disgrace and in excluding the option of full self determination for Scotland it and its members leave themselves open to accusations of being at best discriminatory and at worst downright racist against the desire of an ever increasing proportion of the Scots population who support independence for their nation.
6

Amanda Huginkiss,

04/09/2008 11:30:33
Mr McKay has it spot on, as usual!
7

Alastair the First,

04/09/2008 11:57:23
McKay's usual rubbish! By the same measure, only about 12% of the population voted Labour.... Or to put it another way, 88% didn't vote Labour.
8

Rudi Hucker,

Uddingston 04/09/2008 12:21:50
Alastair the First: You're wrong - Mouthpiece McKay is actually giving an honest assessment of the situation - i.e. even the Monster Raving Loonies are more electable than Labour.

Apologies to any Loonist who objects to the comparison with a parody of a political party.
9

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 04/09/2008 13:08:27
#6 "Mr McKay has it spot on, as usual!"

You make me laugh...
10

Stuart W,

Dundee 04/09/2008 13:15:53
Alastair the First,04/09/2008 11:57:23 wrote:

"McKay's usual rubbish! By the same measure, only about 12% of the population voted Labour.... Or to put it another way, 88% didn't vote Labour."

But your point precisely underlines what Alexander McKay said:

"A general disillusionment with all politicians and politics in general is more like it, with the SNP being the beneficiary."

Unfortunately most of the debate on here is based on narrow and blinkered party political tribalism, which is indeed the only way to explain such remarks.


11

Amanda Huginkiss,

04/09/2008 13:19:01
At least I know how to spell David. Your version is laughable.
12

Hugh V McLachlan,

Elderslie 04/09/2008 13:45:51
#3 Colin Wilson

'"Indeed, it even goes on to suggest that any change to these bounds for deliberation would "be justified only if it serves the people of Scotland better and secures the continuation of the Union"."

Those two criteria are mutually contradictory.'

Nonsense. A contradiction is the simultaneous denial and assertion of the same proposition. In other words, logically, a contradiction could not be true. However, it is clearly logically possible that the continuation of the union is in the interests of the people of Scotland whether, as a matter of fact, it happens to be or not. What is in their interests is, in any case, likely to be a matter of opinion rather than of fact.

You are making a cheap party-political point.


13

bill-alba,

fife 04/09/2008 20:47:13
thats it amanda you crushed him with your comments on his spelling....
grow up will you...

 

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