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Brown urged to claw back devolved powers from Holyrood



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Published Date: 24 February 2008
UK MINISTERS and business chiefs are calling for Alex Salmond to be stripped of his ability to block nuclear power stations and Trident warheads in Scotland, as part of a major review of Holyrood's powers.
They want to use a cross-party commission on the Scottish Parliament to ensure its powers over planning are handed to Westminster.

Salmond has vowed to block any new nuclear power stations in Scotland by rejecting planning applications.

The SNP Government may also prevent the construction of docks for the Trident nuclear submarines on the Clyde, forcing the Ministry of Defence to move them elsewhere.

Labour ministers now claim that, as matters such as energy and defence relate to national security, no devolved government should be able to defy London's will.

The calls were led by Defence Minister Adam Ingram, the MP for East Kilbride.

On nuclear energy, Ingram said: "I believe that the powers of frustration that Alex Salmond is now using to the highest degree should be taken away and placed in the hands of people who do understand and have taken concern of energy security."

On Trident, he added: "What Salmond is saying is that he is prepared to use the same powers in terms of the environment and planning to end the location of Trident on the Clyde. Whether you are for or against Trident, it isn't right that it should be the remit of the devolved administration to frustrate the will of the nation."

Ingram's call over nuclear energy is also being made by the director of the Confederation of British Industry in Scotland, Iain McMillan.

He said: "The commission should examine the feasibility of moving the planning consent powers from Scottish ministers to the Secretary of State for Scotland.

"It currently allows Scottish ministers to frustrate UK energy policy. In my view this is a serious matter and needs to be looked at."

Pro-nuclear Scottish Labour MP John Robertson, who chairs the cross-party group on nuclear energy at Westminster, said:

"I would raise this because my thoughts are for the people that are going to need a service in Scotland. We are going to reach a stage in 2025 when there is going to be a shortage of energy."

The moves put further pressure on Wendy Alexander, the leader of the Labour group at the Scottish Parliament. She put forward the idea of the commission as a way of ensuring Holyrood has more financial responsibility.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown appeared to back the case for more financial powers last week, but he also warned that the review would be a "two-way street".

One Labour MP said last night: "If they want more powers at Holyrood, then they're going to have to give some back."

Sources close to the prime minister have singled out climate change and counter-terrorism as two other areas where powers might go back to Westminster.

A Whitehall source said: ""Environmental issues were devolved for good reasons, but it's now a much bigger issue than it was in the 1990s when the Scotland Act was being drafted."

The commission is now set for a split, as senior Liberal Democrat MPs rejected Brown's demand for a two-way exchange of powers.

Alastair Carmichael, the MP for Orkney and Shetland, said: "The Prime Minister must finally swallow the bitter pill and accept that devolution is not going to be a two-way street.

"The commission process is about giving more powers to the Scottish Parliament. A return of powers from Holyrood to Westminster is not on the agenda."

A spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives said it would be wrong to pre-judge the outcome of the commission.

"We need an independently chaired commission so that the facts can be laid out in front of the country. There may be powers that go back to Westminster but it is still likely that, if there are changes, the majority would go the other way."

An SNP spokesman said: "Wendy Alexander's commission was supposed to be about boosting the powers of the Parliament, but now Downing Street has taken charge of it, relegated it to a mere working party and Gordon Brown is talking about clawing powers back."

He added: "It is an extremely foolish and self-defeating road for the Labour party to go down, which will further damage their standing in Scotland.

"The Scottish Parliament as a whole has voted against both a new Trident nuclear weapons system being dumped in Scotland and unnecessary new nuclear power stations."



The full article contains 761 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 23 February 2008 7:03 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Nuclear energy , Labour Party
 
1

Jimmy the Pie,

24/02/2008 00:12:45
Go on Broon try your hand! Your finished and you know it.
Roll on election day.
2

The Strategist,

24/02/2008 00:18:10
According to the Sunday Times there is also a plan to close Devonport Dockyard and move all nuclear sub work to Faslane.
3

BIG EYE,

Paisley 24/02/2008 00:21:15
If Labour try this it will be like handing the SNP another 250,000 votes and the Labour Party will be torn asunder with the remnants no longer able to invent excuses to remain in a Party that sold them all out years ago!
4

ochone,

Sauchie, clack's 24/02/2008 00:22:34
Aye Gordon made a great job of rallying his Scottish troups right enough!

Somehow I don't think Labours Scottish MP's would be spouting this kind of rubbish if they thought there was any chance of Gordon disagreeing with it, but I don't think it's what Wendy had in mind, although of course for Gordons backing she will just do as she is told.

However it's high time the Lib'dems and Tory's were speaking up, it's supposed to be their comission too or should that be review.
5

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 00:24:48
With regard to Trident Mr Adam Ingram MP says:"...it isn't right that it should be the remit of the devolved administration to frustrate the will of the nation."

Had Mr Ingram MP been more in touch with Scotland than his adopted home of London, he would know that getting rid of Trident is the will of the Nation.

Now should Mr Ingram MP and his colleagues in Westminster remove planning powers from Holyrood which would help to get rid of Trident, it is he and his fellow power mongering Westminster MPs who will be frustrating the will of the Nation.

If battle lines are being drawn over this issue then we are playing for high stakes indeed, stakes that go way beyond the issue of Trident.

With the vast majority of Scots including many of the Trade Unions and even many in the Labour Party supporting the removal of Trident I wouldn't have thought that this was the issue with which to challenge the SNP Government head on.
6

democrate,

central Scotland 24/02/2008 00:38:03
diffcult to resist:-

"Come on then Gordy; if you think you are hard enough!"

The removal of any powers from Holyrood these days has one inevitable conclusion - bring it on.
7

Jwil,

24/02/2008 00:38:34
Ther will be rioting in the streets!
8

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 00:40:49
Further proof that Scottish labour at Westminster have completely lost the plot.
9

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 00:42:12
Ok if it's to be a two way street, we'll swap you. You can have Scottish planning and we'll have English planning, sound fair?
10

Jwil,

24/02/2008 00:42:28
According the The Sunday Times, Plymouth Naval base is to be closed down and submarines transferred to Scotland. Surely they have got this the wrong way round?
11

Richard,

west lothian 24/02/2008 00:44:56
As Alex Neil said, Labour seem to have difficulty understanding the meaning and definition of devolution,it means devolving power from the center(Westminster)not taking power back!

Go on, make our day!
12

Conan the Librarian™,

24/02/2008 00:50:26
He He.It just keeps getting better, eh?
13

Sanny,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 00:56:27
Surely the lunatics have taken over the asylum! When the drive for more control of our nation is growing at an increasing pace, these arrogant idiots think now is a good time to threaten the Scots with the loss of the little control they have. By their actions they will have demonstrated to those who were uncertain about independence, that London and SE corporate greed have no regard for our nation or its people.

If GB is stupid enough (and he probably is) to try to emasculate the Scottish government, he may have street riots or worse. Let us make it clear; Scotland has no need for nuclear power nor the desire to harbour Nuclear Subs armed with Nuclear weapons.

Global Warming is a non-argument as recent events are showing. We can build coal fired station to provide all the power we need until all our “renewable” power sources are fully developed. The waste products from modern Coal fired Stations are easier to contain for the short term required. Nuclear stations provide a waste problem that only reduces by half in ten thousand years.

This labour government has proved it is not only incompetent but also corrupt it is time they were removed and for Scotland, replaced with a Scottish centric government. These Labour MP’s have proven to be even sleazier than their Tory predecessors.

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3000 Staples for 99p,

24/02/2008 01:02:35
Alex Salmond abused his powers and now the UK is taking them back off him for being an abusive, manipulative, trouble maker.

Good!
15

williamx,

canada 24/02/2008 01:16:06
Put a nuclear tax on all facilities payable to Holyrood based on what insurance companies estimate would be necessary if a foreign power nuked Faslane in starting a war. After all what is the cost to the central belt if the base was nuked. Would make Chernoble look like small potatoes. Wouldn't be long before Brown would shut it down and move it south rather than pay legitimate insurance fees. He's a cheap blighter.
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Hebb,

Scotia 24/02/2008 01:29:20
This is classic dinosaur Labour behaviour, an absolute gift to the SNP and the movement for Independence. Defeated at the polls in May for being completely out of touch with the mood of the Scottish people, Labour proves yet again that it is simply incapable of representing the Scottish interest.

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karinxx,

24/02/2008 01:30:45
14 taking him back off him are you a complete eejit they cant. The people would have to vote in a referendum for the powers to be handed back.
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 01:32:30
Broon wants us to riot thats the point then he can move the soldiers in. Not a chance are we rioting.
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24/02/2008 01:41:34
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 01:42:41
ooh looks like annabel is getting cold feet now that is the first time i have heard anything about an indpendent chaired commmission. scottish tories are now obviously saying reverse reverse.
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Richardinho,

24/02/2008 01:46:07
That's funny I seem to recall us having a referendum on devolution in 97 and an overwhelming majority of Scots voting for it!
And I recall us having an election just last year for it when the Labour party were able to put forward their manifesto to the electorate.

And now London Labour wants to defy the democratic will of the Scottish people just because they don't like the result-for shame!
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24/02/2008 01:48:55
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24/02/2008 01:54:07
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 01:54:29
well at least now we know who said they can call themselves the white heather club.
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 01:56:54
broon the clown, what a doughball.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/02/2008 01:57:30
23
You should get some friends.

I know it will be hard but please try.
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24/02/2008 02:02:19
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3000 Staples for 99p,

24/02/2008 02:03:18
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7261161.stm

Did you read Connery, citizen and resident of the bahamas, raving on about 1707!

Bloody typical of the SNP. Move on.
30

Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:12:23
Disappointed particularly that Annabelle's lot haven't came out stronger on this one. In any other country you can expect the party on the 'right' to stand up for the country's national interest against foreign interference. Yet here is our 'conservative' party meekly giving into London bullying.
for shame!
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:12:58
3000 staples for 99P

The above poster is simply a troll trying to wind up the thread. Any attempt to engage him or her on any point is not worth the effort. Best to ignore the fool until he goes away.
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24/02/2008 02:17:45
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24/02/2008 02:22:48
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Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:23:41
#32 The Scottish national interest should ALWAYS come first. I make no apologies for that. I'll have not truck with the unionists who think in 'the spirit of generosity', we should bend over and be shafted by London.
35

frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/02/2008 02:27:54
PLEASE ALLOW THE LIKES OF "STAPLES", fakey "AYRSHIRE SCOT", etc their comments. They are a godsend to the cause of Independence.

But, also, do not reply to them as they reply to themselves if they get no response. They are perfectly capable of discrediting themselves.

Please feel free to comment Staples.
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24/02/2008 02:28:02
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24/02/2008 02:29:56
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Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:30:27
#37 What you detect as 'smugness' is actually self-assurance. Being so insecure yourself, it's understandable why you feel so threatened by that.
39

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:32:22
ahh i see more towns in england want to be scottish thats nice. sadly i dont think gordon will let them. I think the people will just have to move to scotland. I hope they do.

http://www.scottishsundayexpress.co.uk./posts/view/35922/More-towns-say-Make-us-Scottish
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24/02/2008 02:32:34
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:33:21
richardinho totally agree people who lack confidence think everyone is out to get them.
42

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:33:51
34

Your point is well taken. There are still those who see Westminster as the solution to their troubles instead of the cause. Thankfully they are a dwindling number as most have no difficulty spotting the crooks, liars and demagogues.

Never mind the rantings of the delusional, and continue to voice your support for a strong and independent Scotland.
43

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:34:34
You know richardhino as i am sure you do the only reason staples goes on as he does is because he is jelous and cant stand the fact that people are more confident than him.
44

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:35:40
those staples are getting cheaper arent they last time he was 2000 for 99p
45

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24/02/2008 02:36:53
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:38:11
45 Karin

poor quality staples with a propensity to fold themsleves into knots when any pressure is applied. A lot like some posters I could comment on.
47

Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:38:18
Just in case anyone is in any doubt over where '3000 staples' (and more than one screw loose) is coming from , he's over on another thread complaining about 'whining jews'. Clearly he's got an advanced persecution complex going on. it's fairly sad and I would agree with those that it's probably best to ignore him in case he gets over-excited and bursts some of those staples holding his brain together.
48

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:39:58
anyway i see the speakers aide has resigned. I also noticed in the herald that trish godman also a speaker although a deputy has a son who is in the jail for fraud. mrs godman apparently bought a house off her son for less than the market value while he was awaiting his trial. Talk about shafting people especially your own son. terrible. She might have given him the full market value what with him needing the money for legal fees. Then again perhpas he didnt as he bought his brother a house and also had shares in celtic football club.
49

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:42:02
I know traquir it shows him up thats why shows everyone what unionist supporters are like
50

karinxx,

24/02/2008 02:42:57
I think the final nails are now going into labours coffin.
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24/02/2008 02:44:21
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:47:16
knob, tool, penis, scrotum....

It seems that one of our posters does seem to have a persistent infatuation with a certain part of the human anatomy. It does make one wonder why.
53

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24/02/2008 02:50:53
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:51:49
56

Perhaps that explains the need for 3000 staples. One must keep it attached somehow.
55

Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:52:59
'knob tool penis scrotum'

That may be his real name.

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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:56:24
I miss the old days when even the unionists seemed to have the ability to insult with a little style or panache. The back and forth was an interesting exercise of one-upmanship as each side tried to better the other with creative adjectives and imaginative jibes.

Alas today we seem seem stuck with crotch humour or infantile frothing from 40 year old adolescents living in a room in Mom's flat and giving her his dole in exchange for a cuppa tea and some fags every morning.

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24/02/2008 02:56:43
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 02:59:06
62

tit, cock..

are you trying to confuse us with new anatomical references?

59

Richardinho,

24/02/2008 02:59:49
#62 I wasn't going to join in, but when I saw how much fun everyone else was having kicking the corpse, I thought I'd have a go too.
60

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 03:03:04
65

It would not be so bad with all his four letter words but the fact that he spells them wrong most of the time is a little disheartening.
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24/02/2008 03:06:29
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Richardinho,

24/02/2008 03:14:41
#67 Staples, i wouldn't give you the power to go to the toilet on your own, let alone anything else.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 03:15:27
Proud Doonhamer, sorry I didnt notice, but who exactly are you referring to?.

Its very quiet on these forums today, except for the corruption stories on New Labour, Idle threats from London Parties and Eddie Barnes still bleeting on about his attempts to win favour from his Editor by trying to stir up racial divisions between Scottish People and our English Neighbours.

Aye but it is Sunday I suppose.
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karinxx,

24/02/2008 03:15:41
stpales may god bring down a thousand curses on your garden and may the curse of mary magdalene and her nine blind illegitimate children chase you so far over into the land of Damnation that the lord himself cant find you with a laser sight.

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karinxx,

24/02/2008 03:17:12

a pox on you staples may your groin be infested with fleas and your arms shrink so that you cant scratch.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 03:18:54
69

Perhaps a wee perusal of past posts on this thread will make it clear to you. I must warn you that some posts are filled with anatomical references and such.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 03:19:52
71 Karin

What a terrible thing to inflict on a living being. What on earth do you have against fleas?

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karinxx,

24/02/2008 03:22:30
is he gone i was just warming up..............
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 03:26:48
74

I think his Ma boxed his ears and made him go to bed.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/02/2008 03:28:02
Is Staples that strange person, from the Western Isles, who was posting before, and during the election?

I seem to remember that he claimed to be a sniper.

Does anyone else see the simianarity?
71

karinxx,

24/02/2008 03:28:19
aww i hate it when they do that. I was gonna have a slag fest with him.
72

karinxx,

24/02/2008 03:29:14
76 I dont think he is actually a person as such. More of a half human half alien hybrid.
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Andrew D,

24/02/2008 03:40:47
Incredible move from Labour. I honestly can't believe they would *publically* consider it. Sure privately in their meetings and junkets sit and bitch about the Scots (the people are just a means to an end; no nonsense about serving the will of them at all) but to publically come out and say we want to take away powers from your nation?

It beggars belief...

As for the Tories and Libdems silent complicity I think that speaks volumes to their *real* feelings about devolution. Wimps and backstabbers the lot of them, all those Unionist parties.

Even if Labour don't go ahead with this plans I hope the Scots are listening to what their "traditional" (my granda voted labour, my da voted labour so i'll vote labour) party are talking about doing to them and their country.
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Alec M,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 03:53:15
76 and 78 - another brain cell and he'd have a synapse, though the shock might kill him.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/02/2008 03:53:53
I believe that one of the first powers that Brown wants to repatriate to Westminster is the use of staples. The reason is, I believe, that he thinks that they may be used to attach dodgy documents, e.g. WMDs, EC reports.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 24/02/2008 04:02:51
Fantastic Labour,a plan well thought out, take back something that the people voted legitimately for. Well you've shown your cards too soon and have given the unsure voters the road to INDEPENDENCE is now WIDE OPEN.Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou!!!!!!
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blueguru,

US 24/02/2008 05:07:50
I remember the days when Adam Ingram was a half-baked cooncilor in a half-baked East Kilbride Labour Party. Now he has risen to the dizzy heights of being a half-baked defence minister in a half-baked Labour Government. He could not be doing more to help the SNP if he were on the payroll! What a clown!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 06:20:51
Here's the whole argument:

" ... no devolved government should be able to defy London's will."

DEFY LONDON! WELL - WE ARE - TRY AND STOP US - I DEFY YOU!
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subrosa,

24/02/2008 06:41:13
# 19

What soldiers karin? They're all away fighting these wars or leaving the services in droves.
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John S,

24/02/2008 06:53:07
Adam Ingram said - Whether you are for or against Trident, it isn't right that it should be the remit of the devolved administration to frustrate the will of the nation.

Surely any democratically elected Scottish Government and Parliament has the unquestionable right, and indeed duty, to express themselves on any issue that concerns the welfare of the people and land of Scotland.
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Jimmy the Pie,

24/02/2008 07:38:00
#76 Frank.

I think he's from the Falkirk/Central area, is unemployed, used to follow Rangers when he worked, and loved nothing better than shouting sectarian abuse, and professing loyalty to Queen and country.
Sadly there are too many like him around but they're disappearing faster than a Labour MP when he sees a polis man.

Best pity and ignore him.

;-)
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/02/2008 08:08:52
I thought that independance for Scotland was actually going to take some time, it looks as some members of the labour goverment in Westminster want to put it on a fast track. What a fantastic issue they seem to want to hand the SNP. I can just see how this will play out. The SNP in Scotland will call an election on this issue. Does Scotland want to have Nukes shoved down its throat or do we want Independance. Scottish Labour will be even more schitzophrenic than usual, forced to chose between hanging on to any seats and serving their masters in Westminster would just be to much for them. They all have to be sectioned under the mental health act. Stevie Nicks and the LibDems will take the decision to support neither option relegating themselves to a richly deserved oblivion. The Scottish Tories, well who cares what they think. Not matter what way they go you will still be able to count the seats on one hand. Thank you Mr. Ingram, you may well go down in History as the Father of Scottish Independance.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 24/02/2008 08:29:31
3000 Staples for 99p, It is very very very clear that your a complete fool. But for the record who would you want us to vote for if not the SNP, surely not the corrupt Labour scumbags who once again seem to be up to their necks of slease.Please have a look at the following link.
And thanks for the link to Sir Sean, very interesting but then i've been a fan of his for a long time.
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2068685.0.0.php
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An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 08:38:31
Defy London!!!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 08:50:23
BJORK

"Declare Independence"

Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!

Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
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Don't let them do that to you!

Start your own currency!
Make your own stamp
Protect your language

Declare independence
Don't let them do that to you
Declare independence
Don't let them do that to you

[x4] Make your own flag!

[x6] Raise your flag!

Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!

Damn colonists
Ignore their patronizing
Tear off their blindfolds
Open their eyes

Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!

With a flag and a trumpet
Go to the top of your highest mountain!

[x6] Raise your flag!

Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!
Declare independence!
Don't let them do that to you!

Raise the flag!

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Steve,

Bo'ness 24/02/2008 08:58:37
Great to see Labour all at sea once again.
More powers=look more Scottish! Less powers, stuff the SNP! Whatever shall we do? Decisions decisions.

They're supposedly going to close down Devonport (a massive, well equipped naval base)and transfer the subs to Faslane (a jetty on the Clyde)...
I don't think so somehow.
Who are they trying to kid? The Scottish people?
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portonian,

falkirk 24/02/2008 09:13:20

I cannot imagine Westminster would be so stupid

as to try and carry out this worthless plan I can only

suggest it is an attempt to have our own homegrown

terrorist industry and increase arms sales on the home

market, Scotland will go the same way as ireland forced

there by Westminster then there will be nothing to

argue about.The lib-dems will then charge in to the

rescue Not a parcel of rogues just a pack of idiots
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tartan army 2222,

24/02/2008 09:14:26
Is Staples gone? I hope he's not banned. His foul-mouthed unionist rantings are helping the independence cause no end. Perhaps the lodge has a march today. Campaign in order methinks:

FREE THE STAPLES ONE

Or not!
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James,

Dundee 24/02/2008 09:24:07
The 'end of days' for the Union.

Huzzah, three times hurrah for New Labour, and the accident prone UK Government.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 09:28:42
The government would be very foolish indeed to be influenced into amending the Scotland Act in order to recall certain powers to Westminster?

IF, certain powers are to be recalled simply for the sake of political expediency, and once again reserved by the U.K. government, then the only beneficiary will be the Nationalist Movement!

Gordon Brown is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't! Brown knows all this does is booost Salmond's position!

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Nikostratos,

24/02/2008 09:47:00
Seems to be 'ONLY' the usual 'Nationalist' extremists commenting there normal pro snp-tripe.............

Westminster is the supreme power within the U.K. and recognized as such by every nation and institution throughout the World.

Why should Westminster be concerned with a rag tag bunch of malcontents. Who have no constitutional standing outside of the Westminster writ....
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Nikostratos,

24/02/2008 09:52:32
Be honest what can you lot do apart from whinge..........call a national strike.............please do call every one out on the streets to protest and then we will all see how little support for your 'extremist' views there is in Scotland..............

Go on do it..........its time.........
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An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 09:53:57
98 - Nikostratos, 24/02/2008 09:47:00 writes:

"Why should Westminster be concerned with a rag tag bunch of malcontents. Who have no constitutional standing outside of the Westminster writ...."

Apparently they are Niko - very very concerned!
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Marian,

24/02/2008 09:54:35
Why does New Labour want to keep the Trident nuclear attack submarines based in the Clyde when the overwhelming majority of Scots want them removed from Scotland?

Why Is it part of the "Union Dividend" to have hundreds of Nuclear weapons kept 80 miles from Edinburgh and 36 miles from Glasgow?

Why does New Labour want to build more nuclear fueled generation capacity in Scotland, when Scotland already has electricity generation over-capacity and bountiful reserves of sources of alternative energy?

Why does New Labour want to build more nuclear fueled electricity generation capacity in Scotland, when Countries which are very similar to Scotland, i.e. Denmark, Eire, Finland, and Norway, who are facing the same energy demands, do not deem it necessary or desirable to invest in nuclear power?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 09:56:46
It might be my dicey memory,but I thought all the Scottish parties were in agreemnet over 'Trident 2'
Am I right or wrong?
As for devolving powers away from Scotland , oh how I laughed!
Try it Big Boy!!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/02/2008 09:59:46
Well thank good for Nutty Niko, I thought 3000 Staples was the only Unionist demented enough to try and defend the indefensible. But where are the other usual unionist apologists, Grahamski and AM2. Either having a lie in or to sensible to take the bait.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/02/2008 10:01:00
99 - Nikostratos, 24/02/2008 09:52:32 writes:

" we will all see how little support for your 'extremist' views there is in Scotland............."

It is not the nationalists who are threatening to "claw" back powers here Nico. The extremists are those London labourites who are absolutely dyspepsic over the idea that Scotland can "DEFY LONDON".
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:14:00
#98 '..Why should Westminster be concerned with a rag tag bunch of malcontents. Who have no constitutional standing outside of the Westminster writ..'

What a maniacal statement! Queue pro-union nutter branding ANY nationalist as a loony. If you read back matey, you'll find all the lunatic posts are from half-wit, non-nonsensical, frothy mouthed Neanderthals like staples.

In any case, let ma answer your point above. If you can call it a point.

The Scottish people. Presumably, as these 'malcontents' - and this parliament - support the will of the Scottish people, who DO NOT want your UK nuclear weapons and DO NOT want nor NEED nuclear powers stations, well - I'm guessing they should be concerned with that.

Labour's commitment to Scotland. Short history:

- Back, to the hilt, the devolved govt. It'll secure the labour vote in Scotland forever. Plus, it'll never upset the UK applecart

- Speak down to the Scottish people for eight years and remind them of the 'seven plagues' that'll blight there lives, should the SNP ever get in. Lie, cheat and adapt a purely scaremongering policy when addressing the people.

- Errr, realise that the SNP govt. seem to be doing rather well. Support seems to be coming from areas we'd never considered. OK. Chop down their budget...

-...they're still progressing? Oh no. What to do? This govt. are blocking some serious British desires/requirements. Where are we gonna place our nuclear weapons? How can we possibly hold on to English voices if we built ALL nuclear power stations down there ['cos Scotland doesn't need 'em - damn!].

- Right. Lets skew - beyond belief - Sottish Labour's half-baked, unionist only attempts at stimmying SNP support. Let's take that. Let's own that. Let's attempt to portray an exchange of selected tax raising powers [eh??] with crucial, nationally important mechanisms to deny nuclear weapons and power stations. LET'S CHANGE THE GOALPOSTS IN THIS SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT altogether.

Please. I do
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:14:18
....Please. I don't care who your father voted for, or if you drank with the red rose social at the yards, every Friday, from 1962. This beggars belief. This is a ruin of democracy. This is also a desperate act from a desperate London party.

This astonishes, and clearly reveals Labour's roots and priorities are NOTHING TO DO with Scotland.

Defy this. Deny this. Shout out the hypocrisy from the roof tops and do not allow Brown to bumble on, and lie that he - and his London party - or his lap dogs in Scotland - have anything like your interest at heart.
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:18:02
Staples, you are a half-witted maniac who makes one yearn for the days of arguing with myopic dinosaurs like AM2. At least they could speak the language.

Here's your crayon. **** off back to your room. Mummy has made you some special soldiers with your eggy-peggy.
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24/02/2008 10:21:36
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/02/2008 10:23:29
3000 Staples
Obviously you are much more learned in military strategy than us "teets". Perhaps you can enlighten us about why the Clyde is so difficult to navigate. Is it all those empty Chip Boxes fouling the "enemies" propellers? Or perhaps its having all the Navigation Charts in Gaelic? Please do enlighten us, Oh Great Excrementalist.
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24/02/2008 10:24:03
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:24:11
Heh-heh.

Duhhh - hewwwooo Staples. Hope du stitches in yer labot...lab...labot....sore heed urni hurting ye any. Duhhhh.

Hohoho. You a priceless. Can we use you to communicate the free thought of a labour voter in Scotland? I think most of 'em would be abhorred by the notion.

Brown gave the parliament the skinniest settlement in moons. Why? Cos the SNP WON - WON WON WON - the election. Simple.

Like you. Duuuuuuh.

Hehehehehe.
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:26:15
Eh? Your weird comments are increasingly bizarre. Hey! We're not gonna read about an assignation attempt on Sean are we - like Mark Chapman and Lennon - given you're apparently so obsessed by the man?
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:27:11
Staples, you can only communicate on one level....in fact, can we call that a level? Swearing at folk, with NO answers and NO substance to anything you say?

Here, you're not a Labour MSP are ye?
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24/02/2008 10:29:35
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Cam3,

24/02/2008 10:30:28
Nipping down for a cuppa. Any other human beings out there who can hang around some and engage in staples 'political commentary'? Granted, we might not see him on Andrew Marr - but for comic value alone, it's worth it...

...you couldn't make this up. ;o)
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 10:31:57
115. Your care in the community budget? The budget for gaurding whatever secure unit you reside in? Who knows? ( I suspect few care)

Are