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Published Date: 25 April 2009
THE international crisis surrounding North Korea's missile programme intensified last night as analysts warned that intelligence agencies have shifted their thinking to acknowledge publicly that the nation has become a nuclear power.
This week has seen world leaders comment that North Korea can deploy nuclear weapons on shorter-range missiles that could be directed at South Korea or Japan.

Yesterday, Kevin Rudd, the Australian prime minister, described North Korea and Iran'
s nuclear ambitions as "two of the gravest security challenges in Australia's strategic environment".

And Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said earlier this week: "North Korea has nuclear weapons, which is a matter of fact. I don't like to accept any country as a nuclear-weapon state, but we have to face reality."

One think tank has estimated that North Korea managed to mount nuclear devices on weapons as recently as the end of last year. This coincides with the US Forces joint command and the Pentagon also naming North Korea as one of Asia's nuclear powers in December.

James Schlesinger, the former US defence secretary, said: "North Korea, India and Pakistan have acquired both nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems."

Robert Gates, the current US Defence Secretary, said in January that North Korea was included in an arc of nuclear powers running from Israel through Pakistan, India, China and Russia.

All these remarks are seen as a signal that defence experts believe North Korea has managed to create miniature warheads, which can be launched as medium-range missiles, with the potential to strike cities in neighbouring countries.

When North Korea carried out a nuclear test in October 2006, analysts said it did not prove Pyongyang could build nuclear warheads.

Pyongyang agreed under a 2007 six-party deal to disable its main nuclear complex in Yongbyon in return for the equivalent of one million tons of fuel oil in aid and other concessions.

In June 2008, North Korea blew up a cooling tower at the plant in a dramatic display of its commitment to denuclearisation. But the disablement came to halt a month later, as North Korea wrangled with Washington over how to verify its past nuclear activities.

North Korea last week expelled international nuclear monitors, vowed to restart its atomic programme and quit disarmament negotiations to protest at the UN Security Council's condemnation of its 5 April rocket launch. The US and others believe it was a test of long-range missile technology.

Yesterday, Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov visited North Korea and called for efforts to revive the stalled talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear programmes.

The Russian diplomat also warned that no country should use North Korea's 5 April rocket launch – which it insisted was a communications satellite – to justify an arms race or building missile defences in the region.





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2dogs in D.C.,

25/04/2009 01:44:04
The fun just never ends.Maybe they'll melt down?
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2dogs in D.C.,

25/04/2009 01:58:05
Yep,no doubt.But then Israel has a way with pre-emptive strikes.And,no,don't get the idea that I'm pro Israel.I still on the fence w/that one.
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Barry Brock,

25/04/2009 02:24:47
#3 2dogs
"I still on the fence w/that one"
You know what they about people with one foot on the platform and the other on the train?
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2dogs in D.C.,

25/04/2009 02:33:23
Well Barry,it's my foot to do as I please with.In my own mind,that whole section of the world is in serious dog doo,and I've no idea how to help it out?You?
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2dogs in D.C.,

25/04/2009 02:55:57
And I must mention,My Dad still carries a piece of N.K. shrapnel in his ass.You ought to see the security alarms when he walks through.
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Jim A,

25/04/2009 03:54:46
Super, just what we need. More nuclear weapons.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 25/04/2009 05:48:06
#8 Conquistador (LOL)

Well, well ... the baleful failed Canuck voice of the anti-west resurfaces amid a wave of fake IDs. North Korea, that wonderfully free and friendly state arises and has a solitary sympathetic voice from the west transplanted next door (allegedly).

The Postmarkish disguised attempts to fuel anti-western feeling won't ever work. Why? Because the majority public does not and never will share your deeply personal anti-west poisonous agenda.

That agenda has nothing to do with the country the rest of us know as China, as I should point out to dispassionate readers. Your attempt to make it so has shamed that country over the time you have posted here. A few months ago one poster on here mentioned that your posts did little but cause China loss of face. Absolutely true. That cultural aspect, clear to me and one and all, was clearly lost on you. My dear colleagues and friends in China utterly despise you for the unwelcome bile you have posted on these forums in the months past that you have plagued these forums. They recognise you as NOT-Chinese, and however much you want to vaunt your claim, and suck up to them, you never will be.

Because you can't make your villainy stick you resort to personally defaming other posters who disagree with your off-the-wall views. You had a period of childish pokes or several at me (epitomised typically by bad grammar and worse logic), but reality prevails in the end.

Being puerile just does not work. In the endgame the sensible realistic public decides. Grovelling for example to 2-Dogs and Jim A (the pathetic cringeworthy "uncle" stuff) hasn't worked for you, has it, has it? Like everybody here, they saw through you too.

Try working for a living and leave rogue states to defeat themselves with their own rhetoric.



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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 06:09:57
It's always better to act early rather than too late. So a swift but massive air strike against North Korea and Iran should be launched. If the USA hasn't got the guts to sort Iran, horefully Israel will. I can't think of anything worse than an Arab nation getting the bomb.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 25/04/2009 06:27:25
For the umpteenth time, braindead, I know China and the Chinese people better than you ever will. That is a total reality born of years in the country. I read and speak Putonghua as well as an averagely good Chinese speaker. You do not and never will.

So please shut-the-fck up on that score as you have no claim whatsoever. Attempting to belittle me or anyone will not ever wash. I was in China a long time before you claim to be - and my passport says so. But why do I need to justify myself to a wicked poisonous misanthrope like you? No need Mr Scumbag.

The facts are the facts. Play your stupid game as before, idiot boy. The world will judge. One fine day, I might come looking for you in Shanghai (ha-bloody-ha) and ask you to justify, with a big spiky thing in my fist.

Next week I'll be in Dalian. Check out your map, dimwit, and check out how close to Shanghai it is. I'm getting closer ...




Trying to vilify anybody who disagrees with you is a losing game.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 25/04/2009 06:31:38
last line in #12 was an escapee .. sorry
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25/04/2009 06:36:22
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Finlang,

Switzerland 25/04/2009 06:46:01
Actually, that rogue last line #12/14 was not such a lost cause.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/04/2009 07:01:24
It's curious that Kevin Rudd places Iran in Australia's strategic environment. Iran has to take every defensive measure it can when 100s of nuclear weapons are pointed at it and conventional air strike threats. If the "West" had left it alone in 1953 and never ceased from meddling it'd be a regional power for moderation and stablility which is where it would like to be.

Australia is also America's unsinkable aircraft carrier where all manner of top secret flying machines are stored and tested. It has alot of uranium reserves too.

The day America starts seeing sense and reason then they'll sit down with China and resolve something on North Korea.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 25/04/2009 07:15:47
#15

Forget your pathetic trademark "winding-up", Mr Braindead Pockmark. That is the epitome of your intelligence. You have apparently been thrown out of this site before for very good reason. So don't pick on me in bully-boy fashion as before, because nobody else wants to have anything to do with you.

My grasp of Chinese language (Putonghua) is rather better than a grasp. (University degree.) I read and I write and I speak, as my clever Chinese university students will attest. You can't, you don't, and you never will. Better stay in the gutter where you belong, spewing personally generated filth. You will never be accepted in China with your attitude.

Get your dunce's head around that simple fact and process it. My knowledge of China and the Chinese is way beyond your wildest dreams, and is coming to a city near you. Play away with your linguistically bereft dreamworld. Your life is a losing one. You will never never speak nor understand a word of Chinese beyond yes and no. What a sad and pitiful creature you are.
















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Conan,

Moffat 25/04/2009 08:05:40
Yok, #18 ... there's no real point in speculating about life's and history's 'what ifs', is there. I mean, do you really know what might have happened had Persia gained a leftish/socialist/communist leadrship in the 1950s? If speculation is the name of the game - I'm game;

1. Assuming Persia well into the Soviet sphere, then

2. The Soviet's would have had access to the alliance that such a government would almost certainly have offered and would have gained the one thing they wanted above all ... a warm water port away from their useless cold water ports ... to be used to expand and leverage their global ambitions and turn them into reality.

3. Having accomplished that there is almost no doubt that their effort at destabilizing the immediate Gulf region, furnishing themselves a pincer movement allied with Egypt and Yemen (Aden) would have given them veto power over Suez trade routed.

4. The same would have assisted them in advancing their East Africa agenda and would have ensured more progress on that front than was ultimately achieved.

5. I well recall seeing their effort at bulding a base on the Island of Socotra and in the Chagos Archepeligo - a process they would have undertaken to far greater effect had they been able to do so two decades earlier.

So, all in all, Yok, I do think you have to related the likes of your lament over US involvement in Persia in the 40's, 50s and 60s in the proper power context current at that time.

Now, of course, if your 'agenda' happended to be essentially in concert with the Soviet's agenda of that time, then good for you - but I am glad your side lost.

It was abd enough as it was, but it would have been a whole lot worse had that Soviet gambit succeeded.

Anyway, we all have to play the hand we're dealt, or bargain for new cards.

Cheers,

Conan
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 08:07:51
#13 The arab nations, in particular Iran, have put it on the record that they want to "remove Israel from the map". Good reason to deny them the bomb. They have no civilised values - hatred and contempt for women, no proper judicial system, the list is endless. Basically they are what we would regard as terrorist states.

As for North Korea, America should bomb them into the stone age before they can cause real trouble. China won't do anything since all it's money is invested in America and Russia won't do anything because it is a joke.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 09:01:02
#24 China can get out of Tibet and then start pontificating.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 09:17:37
#26 Explain why it would be in China's interest to stop America blowing North Korea off the planet? All China's money is invested in America so bet not to rock America's boat.

As for North Korea, she won't be missed.
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ebbi,

spain 25/04/2009 09:35:26
just like the iraqis????
when are these shameless self appointed experts going to shut up??? and let world have peace??
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ebbi,

25/04/2009 09:37:46
to 23 Mikko, Drumnadrochit
arab nations and iran??? where on earth did you study??? iran is not an arab nation. i thought comments left had to have a basic sense of intelligence!!!
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 09:45:06
#29 yeah right. Persian then if it makes you feel better. All the same. All western haters underneath.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 10:04:28
#31 North Korea is a terrorist state which either already holds, or is about to hold, nuclear weapons. Therefore it must be obliterated. End of argument.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 11:12:06
#34 You are obviously insane and in away that's quite right too; many people here will enjoy reading your nonsense. America, Britain, France, Russia and China have kept world peace - we do not need any rogue arab states and North Korea upsetting the apple cart thank now you very much.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 11:49:43
#37 Now, you keep inviting me to answer you by saying things like "care to..." Then you say you have no interest in what I say. When you can make your mind (I'm being charitable here) up then please let me know.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/04/2009 11:53:00
-- Assuming Persia well into the Soviet sphere

Russia can supply Iran with very effective weapons. That's why America doesn't move it's No 1 Carriers into the Gulf. They can be sunk. But Russia is only working in Russia's interests. Iran is a regional power and it could fall like Yugoslavia. Only Iranians can keep Iran intact. Russia is not their friend but will supply supersonic missiles (China also has these) that can do the damage.

In this game of brinkmanship the "West" is playing a losing hand.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/04/2009 12:33:07
The American military knows very well what North Korea can put on its missiles. But we don't know.

The defence budget went stratospheric decades ago.

It doesn't look a big threat; I think there is the current technology to shoot them down. North Korea hardly cuts it as a regional power. It's a chip on the bargaining table.
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GibsonAustralia,

Sydney 25/04/2009 12:37:52
Australia knew for decades about the growing nuclear threat from her north yet they, the federal governments, permitted the clustering of populations in target cities.
Kevin Rudd has done nothing to rectify this either. The population needs to be decentralised and converted into a nation wide rural home guard defence force. Australia has to decide does it want to survive the coming nuclear age or not.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/04/2009 13:31:04
Australians themselves moved to the cities for an easier lifestyle and I don't see Kevin Rudd or the Government telling them where they should go. What are you doing in Sydney when you should be in the outback with your own self-sufficient command post?

China has built alot of nuclear shelters because they seriously think they could be attacked. Many people would be killed but China would survive.

It's the New World Order that is putting this threat on China, but they have decisive counter measures that will bring the Rockefeller-Roschilde cartel (satanists rather than Christians) to the table.
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2dogs in D.C.,

25/04/2009 13:36:47
#8-Postit-He was drafted...
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/04/2009 14:10:28
I don't think Iran compares to North Korea at all. Though Scots are sympathetic to Koreans - we do ships and sheep - and seem a bit different (alarming?) from our neighbours.

The border between N and S has to come down and I'd venture that America is holding this back, not China.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 25/04/2009 17:48:05
Other measures we can take are a total travel boycott on North Korea including sinking any ships that try to leave and shooting down any planes. If it wants to be a pariah state it must be treated like one.
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Brianwci,

19/09/2009 01:01:24
THE NORTH KOREANS HAVE IT

OK. As soon as I see the Scandinavians, the Swiss, the Irish, the Luxembourgers etc rushing to buy Trident from us I will become a believer.

Until then, shove it and spend the money on sensible projects like the Glasgow Airport rail link or a snazy road/rail Tunnel under the Forth just to mention two meaningful projects.

 

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