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Ian Paisley, the man who finally said Yes, to step down as Stormont leader



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Published Date: 05 March 2008
THE Rev Ian Paisley's "absolutely historic role" in restoring devolved government to Northern Ireland was hailed last night as he announced he was to step down as the province's First Minister and leader of the Democratic Unionist Party.
Mr Paisley, who will be 82 next month and who has led the DUP for nearly 40 years, took the post of First Minister last year following the suspension of Stormont rule for five years. He will step down this May, after one year in the job.

Peter Hain, the former Northern Ireland Secretary, led the tributes to him.

"He played an absolutely historic role in ending the deadlock and establishing permanent devolved government and deserves enormous credit for the courage and vision he showed," Mr Hain said.

"I am sure that the decision he has taken will be the best one for his family, as a very close family man. I wish him all the best for the future."

Former prime minister Tony Blair said: "Ian Paisley's contribution to peace, after all the years of division and difference, was decisive and determinative.

"In short, in the final analysis, he made it happen. The man famous for saying No will go down in history for saying Yes."

Mr Paisley decided to go after mounting pressure from within his party in recent weeks to stand aside.

His son, Ian Paisley jnr, resigned as a junior minister in the Northern Ireland Executive last month after criticism over his links to the developer Seymour Sweeney and controversy over lobbying activity.

Speculation followed that senior party members were unhappy about the subsequent appointment Mr Paisley jnr to the province's policing board.

But Mr Paisley denied the controversy had prompted his decision to step aside. "I never even considered it. I felt that my son was very badly treated," he said.

"I am not a fool – people who thought they could get at me, got at him. They thought they could damage me by the damage they sought to take out on him, but that did not move me."

Mr Paisley, who is staying on as an MP and MLA for the North Antrim constituency, will quit as First Minister and DUP leader after an investment conference in Belfast organised by the Stormont power-sharing executive.

He said: "I came to this decision a few weeks ago when I was thinking very much about the conference and what was going to come after the conference.

"I thought that it is a marker, a very big marker, and it would be a very appropriate time for me to bow out."

It is widely expected that his deputy, Peter Robinson, will succeed him. However, in typically robust fashion, Mr Paisley insisted the decision would be made by DUP members. "This is not the Church of Rome," he said. "This is not apostolic succession, and I have no right to say who will succeed me. The person will succeed me when the mark is on the paper and the ballot is cast.

"Whoever that will be will have my support and encouragement and if he wants to take my advice, he will get that advice if he asks for it. But I will not be sitting like Putin in Russia saying to the president, 'This is the way you have to go'."

Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness, Northern Ireland's deputy first minister, said Mr Paisley's move was not unexpected. He went on: "The historic decision he took to go into government with Sinn Fein has changed the face of Irish politics for ever.

"I think that he will be fondly remembered by the people of Ireland – north and south – for the very courageous leadership that he showed."

David Cameron, the Conservative leader, said: "Dr Paisley's willingness to work closely with former opponents…captured the world's imagination."

50 YEARS OF UNIONISM
IAN Paisley's remarkable political life has spanned five decades.

Regarded for much of his career as a hardliner and a stern critic of Irish republicanism, he steered his party from the political margins to becoming the biggest party in a power-sharing executive featuring Sinn Fein.

He has been MP for North Antrim since 1970 and also served as a member of the European Parliament between 1979 and 2003.

As well as being a strong critic of the IRA and Sinn Fein, Mr Paisley resisted a role for the Irish government in Northern Ireland's affairs.

He remains as harsh a critic of the Ulster Unionist parties and drew great satisfaction from the DUP's emergence as the largest unionist party, which led to David Trimble's electoral demise. His decision to resign came amid mounting criticism in his party about the electoral impact of images of him and the Sinn Fein deputy first minister, Martin McGuinness, joking in public, earning them the nickname "the Chuckle Brothers".

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  • Last Updated: 05 March 2008 8:27 AM
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1

AJ Fife,

05/03/2008 00:29:51
He might've mellowed in old age, but his stirring in the 1970's and 80's cost lives - on both sides! Bernadette Devlin played her part too!

Northern Ireland can now move on.....
2

J J MAROONER,

05/03/2008 00:31:22
#1

I agree with you to a point, and the release of prisoners leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but having been there in the 70s/80s with the military, things for the people are better, for now.
3

J J MAROONER,

05/03/2008 00:53:10
#4
Sincere thanks for that comment - they were the best years of my life.
4

EhMindOGillie,

Hong Kong 05/03/2008 02:39:12
Paisley is, was and always will be a dangerous weasel. Blair, Brown, McGuiness, Hain et all mouth the right political noises but in reality they are all delighted to see the back of him. He stirred up hatred throughout his life then stepped back in denial like a coward as men, women and children on all sides of the war gave their lives. WEASEL, pure and simple.

Only Bertie Ahern came close when he said history would judge this charlatan. It will
5

EhMindOGillie,

Hong Kong 05/03/2008 02:53:31
...and another thing, his final "yes'' was driven by a vain desire for political immortality added to the fact that in reality he had nowhere else to go.

The man is a dangerous fraud.

6

EhMindOGillie,

Hong Kong 05/03/2008 02:53:59
...and so is his son.
7

donald,

glasgow 05/03/2008 03:54:26
Will ex Secretary of State for NI and fellow Loyalist, John Reid, be his successor?
8

donald,

glasgow 05/03/2008 03:54:39
Will ex Secretary of State for NI and fellow Loyalist, John Reid, be his successor?
9

Pomodora,

Gravesend 05/03/2008 05:47:44
How can anything kind be said about this man? He is a bigot and held back the progress of Northern Ireland for over forty years. He is paranoid and there is grave danger in tunnel vision which is well defined by the very satements that can be read in this most recent article. I remember my father, same age as Paisley, telling us in our university days that Ian Paisley was more of a threat to Ulster than the IRA. The man was responsible for perpetuating years of military rule.
10

Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/03/2008 06:26:05
1 - you'd prefer a return to the Troubles ?
11

Greenheatman,

TAIN 05/03/2008 06:47:10
The ONLY reason he said Yes was that Tony Blair threatened to suspend salaries! This concentrated minds wonderfully!
12

Jim A,

05/03/2008 07:04:51
#3 J J MAROONER, agreed mate, I to was there in the 70's and 80's (first tour in 73). The peace they have now however fragile is a heck of a lot better than what they had.
13

Nikostratos,

05/03/2008 07:35:48
Good bye Ian paisley First Minister
Good bye Rhodri Morgan First minister
Good bye Alex Salmond First minister(all in good time)

Well his team of first Minister's didn't last long did it

Goodbye-ee, goodbye-ee,
Wipe the tear, baby dear, from your eye-ee,
Tho' it's hard to part I know,
I'll be tickled to death to go.
Don't cry-ee, dont sigh-ee,
there's a silver lining in the sky-ee,
Bonsoir, old thing, cheer-i-o, chin, chin,
Nah-poo, toodle-oo, Goodbye-ee.
14

Nikostratos,

05/03/2008 07:38:27
#11 Pomodora,

How can anything kind be said about this man?

He's gone..at last
15

tomislav,

Home 05/03/2008 07:45:24
R.I.P. ...... Reverend Ian Paisley
16

eric,

Lothian 05/03/2008 07:59:53
As alien to me as London politics.
17

Shend for Sebo, Miss Moneypenny,

05/03/2008 08:08:04
#2 well said.
#6 ..and McGuiness, the ex-terrorist, was, er, a really nice guy.
#11. so your daddy said it, so it must be true.
18

TREV,

Poland 05/03/2008 08:18:55
"Former prime minister Tony Blair said: "Ian Paisley's contribution to peace, after all the years of division and difference, was decisive and determinative."

re-read... "His contribution to peace after all his contribution to the years of division and difference..."
19

scottish person,

paisley 05/03/2008 08:25:17
Nikostratos, Go to bed and leave posting to sensible people. You contribute nothing.
20

jdships,

05/03/2008 08:44:49
A bully and a control freak - nothing more nothing less.
If he his the face of religon I'm glad I opted out
21

danielrober,

05/03/2008 08:54:12
"He who can put down a sword and make peace with his enemies, is truly welcome in the house of the lord".

I know its an old prayer, but truly peace in Northern Ireland has been the answer to many prayers.
22

Encephalon,

05/03/2008 09:35:16
Ian Paisley-surely a politician of his time-a hero for many of us who grow up in the 1960's who cannot forget the many IRA atrocities of that era when our protestant kin on that side of the water were being persecuted and murdered on a daily basis. We recollect a man who helped galvanise the people of Ulster to organise and defend themselves against evil terrorists who would murder them and against duplicitious politicians on both sides of the Irish Sea.

A man of his time- but thankfully that time has now passed into the history books and it is good that peace has come- but reading some of the comments from the above demonstrates how easy it is for some to attempt to rewrite history and to blame Ian Paisley for everything that happened and to seemingly overlook the many IRA atrocities -Inniskillen, Darkley the list is too long to mention.

A sense of perspective please-and yes the sectarian murders perpetrated by the Loyalist paramilitaries were evil as well but without them the IRA would never have contemplated a ceasefire.
23

Lesley,

EDINBURGH 05/03/2008 09:37:34
The man was / is a disgusting bigot and rabble-rouser. Thank God he is finally gone - about 20 years too late.
24

Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 05/03/2008 09:39:42
#23; You may well be right in your assertation that he's little more than a buly and a control freak. The same might be said of a number of politicians.What is different in his case is that he'll leave the political life of these islands the poorer when he stands down.

That's unusual!
25

jdships,

05/03/2008 10:02:05
27

As I said earlier I am of no religeous persuasion and cannot accept his bigotry ( any more than I can that of Adams/McGuiness)
If you are comfortable with that so be it .
You have a right to an opinion !!
26

Thistledhu,

Fife 05/03/2008 10:06:10
In commen with other posters i too served in NI Paisley was as much part of the problem as Mcguinnes and co yes it is good to seee a much more peacefull NI but to see him lauded as a peacemaker is distastefull.

praise from Adams? Adams McGUINESS PAISELY AND CO all became rich powerfull and famouse on the backs of suffering of the people of NI and the security forces.

#25 Disgusting comments the only diffrence between the loyalist paramilitarys and the republican is the songs they sing while drunk.
27

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/03/2008 10:33:58
This was the Ulster that Paisley liked, when Catholics were kept under the heel.

Professor Lecky a British Protestant and ardent British sympathizer, said in his "History of Ireland in the 18th Century" that the object of the Penal Laws was threefold:

"To deprive Catholics of all civil life; to reduce them to a condition of extreme, brutal ignorance; and, to disassociate them from the soil.:

Lecky said, "He might with absolute justice, substitute Irish for Catholic, "and added a fourth objective: "To expatriate the race." Most scholars agree that the Penal Laws helped set the stage for the injustices that occurred during The Great Famine and fueled the fires of racism that were directed against the Irish by the British. Lecky outlined the Penal Laws as follows:

The Catholic Church forbidden to keep church registers.
The Irish Catholic was forbidden the exercise of his religion.
He was forbidden to receive education.
He was forbidden to enter a profession.
He was forbidden to hold public office.
He was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
He was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five miles thereof.
He was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five pounds.
He was forbidden to own land.
He was forbidden to lease land.
He was forbidden to accept a mortgage on land in security for a loan.
He was forbidden to vote.
He was forbidden to keep any arms for his protection.
He was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
He was forbidden to buy land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to receive a gift of land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit anything from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to rent any land that was worth more than 30 shillings a year.
He was forbidden to reap from his land any profit exceeding a third of the rent.
He could not be guardian to a child.
He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under Catholic guardi
28

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/03/2008 10:37:13

Cont:
He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under Catholic guardianship.
He could not attend Catholic worship.
He was compelled by law to attend Protestant worship.
He could not himself educate his child.
He could not send his child to a Catholic teacher.
He could not employ a Catholic teacher to come to his child.
He could not send his child abroad to receive education.
* From: MacManus " the story of the Irish Race" 1921.Devin-Adair Publishing Co., New York.

Well done the IRA for fighting on for justice. You can bet if they hadn't the British would still be in Ireland today!
29

Houssine,

Nanterre 05/03/2008 10:39:50
Since years i heard news from conflict between both ,Sein Fein and loyalist protestants.I think peace between two opposit party was difficult.For exemples you can see the bad situation in Libanon.
I don't know much about the situation of this small republic of North Irland.But i can think they are two opposit population each one hate the other?
They are not solution.When i have read your post i can imagine a bad situation between the two parties.
In this days we have sein the independence of Kosovo.Why? Because the cohabitation between two party was not possible.Can protestants and catholics life together and for many years?I don't think that is possible.They are not solution.Ian Pesley have 82 years old and he is retired.
30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 05/03/2008 11:02:10
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

That intransigent blowhard gave Protestantism a bad name and every time I heard him on television shrieking his venom and hate I cringed.

He made the most shrill fishwife in Scotland sound like an absolute cloistered nun under a vow of silence.
31

Nikostratos,

05/03/2008 11:11:19
#31

You support acts of terrorism then ?
32

danielrober,

05/03/2008 11:15:14
# 30/31 Alan Reid,NZ

Please stay in New Zeland.

We need comments like that like we need a hole in the head. Let the past be and let the next generation escape the mentality of the past. It is the 21st century you know, most people just want to get on with their life.
33

AlecJ,

Aberdeen 05/03/2008 11:23:44
The BBC said yesterday that the joint nickname of Pailey and McGuinness was "The Chuckle Brothers" Very appropriate when you looked at both their faces, specially when they were shaking hands (where were the guns and knives hidden?) Still, the partnership is starting to work, it seems, maybe the murder from both sides will go away now as a new generation takes over.
34

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 05/03/2008 11:24:25
I loathed the man for many years, but at least at the end he saw the need for peace. Only he, Gerry Adams and others like them - not the 'moderates' of the Official Unionists or the SDLP - could deliver it, and they did.
35

ex-labour,

05/03/2008 14:05:52
30/31 Alan Reid,NZ - You are absolutely spot on. The presence of the 'Rev' Ian Paisley was purely and simply to defend that very ultra-protestant culture on which Ulster on which it was based. Paisley did not wish to lose his status in Ulster by giving any ground to Irishmen on their own soil.

Almost single-handedly that loud-mouthed 'rev' destroyed the lives of far to many Irish people - regardless of religion.

Is it me, or does this sound like the current crisis in the Middle East - ie. On religious grounds, jews lay claim to a part of Palestine. Palestinian nationals resist and are labelled 'terrorists', troubles ensue etc. etc.
36

Geoff,

sa 05/03/2008 14:39:55
Ian Paisley-mixed feelings. To his very great credit-no matter what came before, at an age when most men become more rigid in their views, he embraced the'enemy'and did the unthinkable joining with republicans in finally bringing peace to Ireland. Both sides in the conflict were guilty of the kind of acts that mark the dark side of humanity-it is difficult and even meaningless to try and quantify guilt. Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley were products of the powerful influences that mould humans at an early age-Ireland-particularly northern ireland was a cradle of passions from which it is/was almost impossible to escape. That they somehow 'escaped' is little short of miraculous!
37

happy english,

London 05/03/2008 14:59:49
#30/31 The IRA did not fight for justice they murdered for it.
38

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:07:10
#1 Encarta......... By "other scum" I presume you mean the drug crazed sectarian murder gangs of the uvf and uda? These degenerates did Paisley's dirty work for years. It is worthy of note that these criminal gangs killed more than 1200 uninvolved Roman Catholics,many of their victims being women and children. Their victims crime? well they just happened to be Catholic.
39

Pocket Dictionary,

05/03/2008 15:08:14
You can still get your sectarianism on the Edinburgh, Talk 107 radio station.
The weekday, late night presenter lets the bigots end their calls with 'God save the Queen. No Surrender'. He also allows them time to tell the 10 listeners, no Catholics on the UK throne.
Which is ironic, considering Talk 107 is owned by the Belfast based media company - UTV. Who have also signed up to the FTSE4Good index and promise to support universal human rights.
How is Catholic bashing supporting universal human rights?
40

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:12:34
#40 Happy........ Yes! just like bomber Harris! when he killed more than 100,000 people in three nights of bombing Dresden.Most of his victims were women and children. Brave man? and all for jolly old England! What? I say old boy!
41

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:22:07
# 30/31 Alan Reid........ Well done Alan, you told it as it really was! There are those on this thread who will castigate you for doing so.However there are some people who can't handle the truth, and you will find many of them to be anti-Irish and anti-Catholic and on this very thread.
42

happy english,

London 05/03/2008 15:23:01
Pro Nazi as well, and what of Dresden they got what they deserved the Germans dropped bombs on my city night after night killing thousands of women and children. Yes my fellow English were brave a whole lot braver then you.
43

Geoff,

sa 05/03/2008 15:31:01
43 hunkey dorey-and all for Jolly Old england? The war against Hitler was for the Civilised World. f Harris had not carried out that dreadful bombing then the few months difference it would have made might have given hitler time to develop an A bomb. Most people,ScotsNats included would surely not have wanted that.
45 Happy english-also lots of brave British(English Irish Scots and welsh) not to mention Commonwealth and Polish.
44

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:35:10
#25 Encephalon....... You flatter the loyalist murder gangs by calling them paramilitaries. No! These scum of the earth gangs were not paramilitaries.They were dug crazed loyalist bigots who had a lust for Catholic blood. They had no political agenda,they were motivated purely by hatred of Catholics. They were cowards one and all, as the majority of their victims were soft targets ,women -children and pensioners,many murdered in their beds.These people were the lowest of the low,many of them were unable to read or write,but they were good at killing Catholics and that was good enough for Paisley.
45

Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 05/03/2008 15:36:35
23

No one suggested anything about 'being comfortable' with Paisley's views. It's more about having some respect for the man adhering to his opinions, 'be they ne'er so vile,' which as you admit, you haven't.
46

happy english,

London 05/03/2008 15:36:36
#46 Sorry, yes you are right Irish Scots and Welsh as well they all were all brave.
47

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48

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:44:30
#4...... " I salute you for your time in the British military" What a load of crap!
49

happy english,

London 05/03/2008 15:46:56
#50 No I was not but my Aunt was when a German bomb fell and killed her, but just the fact that she was English would please you.
50

Thistledhu,

fife 05/03/2008 15:53:44
alan reid Nonsense all im going to say the only people who repressed the Irish were(and is the Irish) regardless of religon and if case you havent noticed Northern Ireland is still in the uk.

PS im from a roman catholic family of irish descent with close relatives who still live there.
51

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:53:56
#45 Happy...." and what of Dresden they (the women and children)got what they deserved" Does that also apply to your Aunt?
52

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 15:56:03
#53 Thistle..... Are you drinking that Buckfast again?
53

happy english,

London 05/03/2008 16:06:55
#54 Britain did not start the war the Germans did nobody would have got killed if the Germans remained in there own country, Britain did not want to go to war, Dresden happened because of the Germans no other reason.
54

Fortunado,

05/03/2008 16:33:50
Gone with the wind
55

danielrober,

05/03/2008 16:50:15
44 Hunky Dorey,Glasgow

Cluthing at straws. My partners Catholic and i'm part Irish (also Scotish, English, Norwigian, North Ameican india and who ever the hell else my ancestors wanted to marry).

NI can continue to grow economically in peace, by ignoring p**sed o*f outsiders and just get on with you life.

Personally i'm looking forward to new developments from Belfast University, in power generation. Good Luck.
56

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 17:09:22
#56 Happy........ Good point. " nobody would have got killed if the Germans would have remained in their own country" Now take those very good words of wisdom and apply them to Ireland! British interference in the affairs of Ireland has caused most of that county's problems. In the elections of 1918 the Irish people voted overwhelmingly for an all Ireland Republic. The British government of the day ignored the democratic wishes of the Irish people and proceeded to partition the country and set up an undemocratic sectarian statelet in the north east of Ireland. This gerrymandered state was clearly against the wishes of 86%of the people in Ireland. To-day the vast majority of the people on the island of Ireland object strongly to British interference in their country. So! I think the time has come for Britain to get out of Ireland and leave the people there to attend to their own affairs. You are absolutely correct, there would have been no IRA had the democratic wishes of the people been acknowledged back in 1918.
57

BigKennyMac,

05/03/2008 17:10:39
Ian - we true British people salute you. It was you who kept the union jack flying in our own corner of Ireland. ignore the 'scottish' types on here - they would dissolve the union and give away the crown. True loyalists know what a great job you have done!

Big Kenny Bluenose
58

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 17:15:25
#58 Daniel...... Well said! "Ireland can continue to grow economically in peace, by ignoring p**sed o*f outsiders". I too agree that the English government outsiders should get out of Ireland.
59

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 17:25:42
#60 Big Kenny........Stop being a court jester for your English masters! Ulster loyalists, loyal to the half-crown. You lot always have the begging bowl out. Its no wonder that you want to be loyal to the people here in the UK. We have fed and kept you lot for the last 90 years. Ulster loyalists = bunch of spoungers and scroungers. Yes! like I said your loyalty is to the half crown. England can keep you, when we get our independence. Phoblacht na Alba go brugh!
60

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 17:28:34
Well! I am off to get my tea! I will keep the scraps and crumbs for the Ulster loyalist scroungers.
61

Bill in Edinbro,

05/03/2008 19:00:28
#56 and if we hadn't started the war with Iraq.........
62

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/03/2008 19:46:32
40 happy english, Have you ever asked an Tasmanian Aboriginal what he thinks of the British Empire?
Oh, but then that would be a bit hard, considering the fact we wiped them out, it was genocide no less.
And I am not defending the IRA, they had no choice.
63

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/03/2008 19:48:25
53 Thistledhu, Read some history books, about the British Empire, you might learn something.
64

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/03/2008 19:52:09
How many other civilised countries in the 20th century wertern world would have allowed politics, guising as religious bigotry, go on - and on and on anon?

In my opinion there should never have been a northern Ireland in the first place to allow this warmonger his place in political history. Now he repents.
65

danielrober,

05/03/2008 20:43:48
Alan Reid,NZ

Soooo dude. How do you feel about colonising New Zealand? After all your the one down there, where up here working our own land.
66

Joanna,

Cambs, England 05/03/2008 20:54:36
How quaint someone who is living on land which rightly belongs to another people is taking the moral high ground.

Is there a Maori Liberation Army to free New Zealand from the white settlers? If they do exist then they, by the reasoning of #66 will be perfectly justified in blowing the usurpers in NZ up and using terrorism to achieve their aims.

Or is it OK to take New Zealand from its rightful inhabitants but not Ireland?
67

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/03/2008 21:15:15
We're getting away from the point, and i've only been here three years.
I do know the Maori have a lot more power in NZ now, than the Irish Catholics did. Also there there is a Maori party and they have a BIG say in affairs, unlike the catholics in NI who were kept under the heel for hundreds of years, until of course the IRA fought for Irelands freedom.
68

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow .Home of Scotland's brave. 05/03/2008 22:02:19
#68.... Jock Tamson . You have said it all. Well done! Alba abhu! Scotland forever!
69

danielrober,

05/03/2008 22:02:22
Alan Reid,NZ

You can't leggit to another part of the world and hurl abuse at some guy thats changing his ways. NI is changing for the better and some support for the reformers would be usefull.
70

danielrober,

05/03/2008 22:05:00
Alan Reid,NZ

By the way, chill out and watch the ruby (buy some Scotch). I've always been a fan of the All Blacks. Enjoy yourself, be happy and don't worry the UK (all of it is going to be okay, its just going to take a heck of a lot of hard work).
71

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 22:07:19
Britain never had any right to be in Ireland,and never will have any right to be in Ireland! Independence for Scotland,,,,,,,NOW!
72

Theologist,

Auckland 05/03/2008 22:15:17
Maori were immigrants also, they just got here first.
73

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 05/03/2008 22:22:10
# 71 Alan Reid......... You are doing very well son! Sock it to them. I told you that many of them can't handle the truth, and it appears so.
74

Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/03/2008 23:04:29
37 -spot on. The UUP and the SDLP were London and Dublin's preferred choices. The people of Ulster begged to differ and they've been proven right.
75

Manxman,

Doolish 05/03/2008 23:07:35
The recent Paisley story is amazing and life affirming - people can change. I hope all the people who have lived under the shadow of extremism, of both persuasions, are not like some of the posters here - determined to dwell on the past.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/03/2008 23:09:42
60 - "Rev Ian, Big Kenny also supports your and your party's decision to share power with Sinn Fein (previously referred to as murdering fenian b*st*rds)."
77

Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/03/2008 23:14:58
70 - err....there was nobody there before the Maories
78

Miss Jean Brodie,

05/03/2008 23:41:23
Why the picture of Herr Flick from alo alo ?
79

Virginian,

USA 06/03/2008 01:16:43
Quote: "#75 Hunkey Dorey, Glasgow
"Britain never had any right to be in Ireland, and never will have any right to be in Ireland!
Independence for Scotland...NOW!"

Answer: In 1171 Pope Alexander III made King Henry II surrender England to the pope after Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, was murdered. The pope then gave back England to Henry as well as the authority to subdue Ireland. Blame Pope Alexander.

As far as Independence for Scotland...Scotland would never become a welfare queen state of the USA as is the Republic of Ireland.

The Vatican gets more wealth from the US than all other countries combined and can be counted as a welfare state as well.
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Virginian,

USA 06/03/2008 01:50:36
There is no telling what arm-twisting and threats were used on the Rev Ian Paisley to get him to agree to share the government of Northern Ireland with the likes of Sinn Fein and the IRA. Extortion and threats are normal means of those types. Paisley's son was probably set up as well.

Ian Paisley fought the good fight and deserves a rest. No one else had his courage to face up to those Irish thugs as he has done.

Now, if Teddy Kennedy would just decide that the Republic of Ireland no longer needs a representative in the US Congress.

There will be great jubilation on these shores when he finally steps down and is no longer on the political scene.
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Thistledhu,

Fife 06/03/2008 09:23:23
Alan reid/ hunky dorey, THE ira surrenderd

if you check the list of landowners in the south of ireland before it was given free state status and now you will find it is the same famlies(landlords)

when you ever visit NI you will find it uses britsh money the british health system policed by british police with oh yes the british army in barracks as they were before 1969.

And as for the south the IRA was defeated in the sudsequent civil war in the 1920,s

yes perhaps you should do some reading liveing in bigoted biased cloud cuckoo land
82

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 06/03/2008 17:22:11
#87 Thisle...... The IRA was never at anytime in its history been defeated. As for the English occupation of the north east of Ireland,it is plain for all to see that the area presently under Irish rule is much more affluent and prosperous. In fact ,the Republic of Ireland is the 11th richest country in the world,whilst the north of the country remains backward sectarian and poor!I have a feeling that the begging bowl merchants in the north of Ireland will soon be knocking on the door of Dublin,and asking to be allowed in,and they would be very welcome.
83

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 06/03/2008 17:26:39
#88 Oops! Should read, The IRA has never at anytime in its history been defeated!
84

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 06/03/2008 17:36:11
#86 Virginian. I think that you know that the days of the white anglo saxon Protestant (wasp) in the USA are indeed numbered. The Irish in the USA are leaders ,whilst the wasps are followers .Its as simple as that and you know it! Paisley has not got long to go before he meets his eternal father and I have no doubt that he will be despatched to the fire that never goeth out. As for the Irish, Well! you will never beat them. Where ever they go they are a success. Just look at the Republic of Ireland ,11th richest country in the world, whilst the north of Ireland remains sectarian backward,and poor.
85

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 06/03/2008 17:38:27
#85 Good for Ireland! Good for the Vatican!
86

Hunky Dorey,

06/03/2008 17:41:10
#83 Dragonhead..... It looks as though the IRA will never be defeated,so I think that we should all get used to it.
87

Ted Crilly,

Craggy Island 07/03/2008 15:42:40
In a Papal Bull "Laudabiliter" issued by Pope Adrian IV (1154-59) Ireland was made a fuedal possession of the King of England, under the nominal overlordship of the papacy. Its purpose was to enable the Church to collect tithes from Ireland.

Henry II was given rights to Ireland almost 20 years before 1171. He submitted to Pope Alexander III in 1170, when the Pope threatened to excommunicate him if he did not allow Thomas Becket to return to England safely.

Adrian IV of course, was born Nicholas Breakspeare, and became the only ENGLISH Pope.

 

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