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Published Date:
12 November 2007
DENTISTS across the Lothians have struck off nearly 18,000 NHS patients in just five years, it was revealed today.
Patients are often "withdrawn" because a dentist has decided to switch to the private sector.

People who fail to pay their dental fees or are verbally or physically abusive to a dentist can also be refused services.

The figures were revealed following a parliamentary question from the Liberal Democrats.

Edinburgh South MSP Mike Pringle today urged the Scottish Government to investigate.

He said: "I find it extremely concerning that in a country with one of the worst oral health records, NHS Lothian approved 'withdrawn' status for 3680 patients between 2006 and 2007.

"I urge the Scottish Government to look into these figures to discover why Lothian dentists have requested so many patients be withdrawn from their lists."

In previous years, a large number of dentists have switched from the NHS to the more lucrative private sector.

A recent study indicated private dentists in the Capital charge £356 for a dental crown, while the same treatment on the NHS costs just £194.


If a dentist chooses to go private, clients are forced to either follow suit or search for a practice accepting NHS patients.

But there are only around 20 practices in the Lothians still registering new NHS patients, and more than half of all adults and over a quarter of children in the region are not registered with an NHS dentist.

It is thought around 19 per cent of these residents pay for private treatment, while the rest go without any care.

Patients are usually "withdrawn" on the request of a dentist, and with the subsequent approval of the NHS board. In the Lothians, figures peaked in 2005-06 at 7357, and fell to 3680 in 2006-07.

Colwyn Jones, NHS Lothian's consultant in dental public health, said: "This trend suggests that access to NHS dentistry is improving across Lothian and demonstrates our commitment to improve and modernise our dental services."

Public Health Minister Shona Robison said that the Government was working hard to encourage dentists to remain with the NHS.

"I welcome the fact that the number of patients who have been withdrawn from an NHS dentist is falling," she said.

"However, I recognise there is more to be done and that is why there are a number of financial recruitment and retention measures are in place to attract dentists to work in the NHS and remain in Scotland.

"We have introduced a dental bursary of £4000 a year for students who commit to working in the NHS and over 400 students have received the bursary in the past year.

"We also provide funding under the Scottish Dental Access Initiative for dentists who wish to establish new practices or extend existing practices.

"This is on top of remote and rural and deprived areas allowances, and dentists who choose to work in the NHS also benefit from significant practice allowances."

The full article contains 498 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 November 2007 10:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: NHS Dentistry
 
1

supersh,

Queensferry 12/11/2007 12:14:04

Me, my wife and 2 kids travel 9 miles to Linlithgow to get NHS dental treatment since Ferryburn practice kicked me out for not lining their pockets enough.

2

Jakey Rowling,

12/11/2007 12:23:58

I was crestfallen to read about this.

3

Incandescent.,

12/11/2007 12:37:48

Were are the polish dentists?

4

Michael Bolton Fan,

12/11/2007 12:38:23

A certain dentist in Morningside has forced even private patients to cough up more - take out a DenPlan or pay a compulsory £50 a year "annual registration fee". So as well as raking in the high charges for private work, they get £50 a year from each patient for doing bog all! Intially it was just an 'offer' to take up DenPlan then a few months later they changed tack (not enough signups?) and advised even if you didn't want DenPlan that you had to pay out £50 for NOTHING other than being allowed to stay on their books as a 'private' patient!! Beggars belief.

5

Incandescent.,

12/11/2007 12:45:58

Get false ones in, its cheaper in the long run.

6

Jakey Rowling,

12/11/2007 12:53:45

#3
I think they have still to take the pledge.

7

Sonia,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 12:59:56

My dentist went private earlier this year. If I want to stick with her I have to pay either £18 per month or pay £80 every time I need a check up. I have not needed any treatment in the last few years so it seems a lot of money for not much. I have not been able to find another NHS dentist so far.

8

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 12/11/2007 13:03:09
9

Hmm ...,

12/11/2007 13:18:43

... not a lot is said of the real reason for dentists switching to private treatment - the piecework rates they received from the Labour government for NHS work were actually reduced - yet they had to meet the increasing costs of running and staffing their practice.

They couldn't make a reasonable living so had limited choices. A lot of older ones retired early but had difficulty in selling their practices but the younger ones didn't have even this option.

Now the NHS is asking retired dentists what it would take to bring them back to work!

Newly qualified dentists are finding it difficult to get a job that pays reasonably so are tempted to go abroad. NHS practices simply can't afford to pay them.

Yet we don't see the government ever admitting that the problem arose because they were chiselling the dentists!

10

Hmm ...,

12/11/2007 13:22:42

If the government is serious about NHS dentistry, the answer is for them to employ community dentists at a salary that justifies the seven years training needed to become a general dental practitioner.

But the Labour government is actually quite happy for NHS dentistry to be run down - and to blame the dentists.

SPIN.

11

Eustace "Gripper" Almonds,

Selkirk 12/11/2007 13:31:54

I'm disgusted.

12

Finbarr Saunders,

12/11/2007 13:42:30

"People who ... are verbally ... abusive to a dentist can also be refused services."

Does this mean that I cannae even muffle a curse if my dentist touches a nerve?

13

Auldtroot,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 14:13:11

There only one thing wrong with the NHS we, there customers, pay for our 'health care' in advance.
Most staff think the NHS and medicine in general, is there to provide them with a fat income, great pension and the ability to to treat the paying customer with contempt. Hence why GP's only need to work a four day week no nights and no weekends.

14

katie,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 16:20:50

My husband did not have problems with his teeth so did not visit his dentist in Gorgie for 18 months. When he decided to have a check up and clean she made an appointment and the day before he was due to visit, her receptionist phoned and said that the dentist said she was under no obligation to see my husband as it had passed 15 months and she struck him off her register. He had been with her for over 20 years. He is a pensioner and now without dental care.

15

alex patersons English teacher,

12/11/2007 18:24:12

15.
Reading you story about your husband and her appointment,it seems you have suffered from the nhs agender for change.

16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 19:46:55

Why the Article?..Why the shock?..don't anyone, read my posts?
What have I said in past times in this paper?
Or is it the case the truth hurts?
Turn a 'Blind-eye' and pretend its not true?
.............
OK, I will say it again!! 'WE HAVE NO DENTAL SERVICE!'
'FULL-STOP'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you can pay £50.00 for less than 10minutes in the Dentist's seat £200 for a check-up and 1 filling!
We were all told we don't have dental care over 17years ago!
Why is this a sudden,
'OH MY GOD!! NO DENTIST, I CAN GET!?
Why cry 'Diddums-sticks' now?, its to late!
ENJOY YOUR 'GOOFY-TEETH' and enjoy being the laughing stock of Europe, because that's what we are!
Unless you are, 'Rockefeller'!!!!

17

Dave101,

12/11/2007 20:45:28

I pay £15 a month for private insurance and it has covered everything I have had done (a few fillings, x-rays, check ups, scale and polish).

PLUS do you honestly think the dentist use the same materials etc for the NHS patients that he uses for the private cash-cows? You get what you pay for

18

Sarcasm,

12/11/2007 20:59:15

Apparently someone craving attention once said on this forum that

WE HAVE NO DENTAL SERVICE!'
'FULL-STOP'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you can pay £50.00 for less than 10minutes in the Dentist's seat £200 for a check-up and 1 filling!
We were all told we don't have dental care over 17years ago!
Why is this a sudden,
'OH MY GOD!! NO DENTIST, I CAN GET!?
Why cry 'Diddums-sticks' now?, its to late!
ENJOY YOUR 'GOOFY-TEETH' and enjoy being the laughing stock of Europe, because that's what we are!
Unless you are, 'Rockefeller'!!!!

I don't know if it's true though.

19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 21:06:49

#18. Dave, I was wondering why I had 'carpet-tacks', embedded in my gums instead of teeth!
Now I know!! :-D

20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 21:15:40

#19. Sarcasm, 'HA-HA' very funny! ;-)
And what did I say about the 'Bird-Flu' only last week on here?
And to-days Headline news, the 'Bird-flu' is back in Britain!
I expect to be referred to as 'GOD' from now on! :-D

21

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 21:22:50

http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1761902007
...............
My comment was removed at #1, probably because some bird lover never liked it, but do read down you will catch BW's comment and another of mine on the subject!

22

alex patersons English teacher,

12/11/2007 21:49:33

21.
when did birds stop flying in britain,first i've herd.

23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 21:58:56

#23. alex...OK, Was my English poor? not one of my best subjects when I was as school, but at least our Teachers had teeth!

24

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 22:00:44

(not a crack at you alex), we got to keep the 'hootsman' 'happy' as staying within the subject matter! :-)

25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 22:06:25
26

alex patersons English teacher,

12/11/2007 22:13:00

24.
i was an amalgamation of several schools suffering from overcrowding,not all off my teachers had teeth and to many just filling in,put a real dentin my confidence and its still deep rooted to this day,and too crown it all ive never yet met my aspiration of headmaster.

27

alex patersons English teacher,

12/11/2007 22:23:26

26.
thanks for the avian flu warning,im not touching that bottled water again

28

Methspaña,

12/11/2007 22:31:36

Time to wind you all up.

Here an examination is free.
Extraction is €30
Filling €40
Cosmetic is half UK prices
Whitening a third UK prices

Head transplant is about....sorry..that was a weird dream I had.

29

Methspaña,

12/11/2007 22:32:21

Teeth suck.

30

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 22:54:29

Just caught you on the camera thread on here Alex, #29, 30, yes teeth, if we cant have 'Turkey' for our Christmas lunches, do you think we could utilise their 'beaks' for replacement 'Gobs' for us with no teeth? (not me, just hypothetical)

31

Charles Linskaill,

Master of pre·cog·ni·tion 12/11/2007 23:06:26

Like my new location then!

32

Boy Wonder,

12/11/2007 23:46:58

#32. So there you are, Chuckie? Slumming it in in the Evening Hootsmon now, are you?

33

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 23:55:17

You watching the box then BW?
DYW tucked up in the land of 'nod'
Did you see that Bird that's after me on here, the other day? are we Jealous?
(joking)
Nice to see you aboot!
Hows yer teeth anyhow, I am lucky to have good teeth, but gums not si good.
I am just angry, that its near impossible to get Dental care, unless you are 'minted'
17years since I saw the dentist BW 17years!

34

Rev,

Fife 13/11/2007 07:06:14

This is what has been happening in Fife for years. it is now virtually impossible to get an NHS dentist. Most folk are on a Plan

35

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/11/2007 19:19:42

#21 Chaz: As in 'Charles Linskaill............oh God'?

36

Norms,

Edinburgh 13/11/2007 21:11:41

My dentist was NHS then went private and now has left and is apparently not being replaced. We were not even informed of this happening and heard it from other patients. Where are all the Polish dentists we have all been told were coming. Can anybody tell me where I can go now to register with a dentist.

37

Norms,

Edinburgh 13/11/2007 21:18:18

My son is 19 years old and a typical teenager who doesn't think he needs to visit a dentist every 6 months. Last month he decided he needed to see a dentist and was told that he was no longer on their computer because it had been over a year since he had been for a check up. He has been with this dentist since he was 2 years old. A month later and we are still trying to find him a new dentist.

38

live and kicking,

Leith 14/03/2009 17:38:39
My dentist is still taking on NHS patients. The website is www.drakedental.co.uk

 

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