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Published Date: 28 January 2010
CONGESTION charging, a tram network, tree-lined boulevards and even solar-powered swimming pools have been proposed as part of a radical vision for Scotland's largest city.


• A tram network could include areas such as Queen Street. Picture: TSPL

Plans that would turn Glasgow into one of the greenest cities in Europe were unveiled yesterday. A major report set out a raft of ambitious proposals to slash the city's carbon emissions by 30 per cent over the next ten years.

The project would require an estimated £1.5 billion investment from the private sector.

City leaders believe the project could regenerate Glasgow – already known as the "dear green place" – creating thousands of jobs and attracting investment.

However, some of the ideas have already sparked opposition – particularly those that would penalise car use.

The proposals were drawn up by the University of Strathclyde, supported by a consortium including Glasgow City Council.

Called Sustainable Glasgow, the project also has the backing of the Scottish Government.

Recommendations include:

• A tram network to carry passengers and freight, primarily in pedestrianised areas, such as between Queen Street and Central stations;

• Wind turbines on up to ten brownfield sites;

• Hydro power generated from the city's canals and rivers;

• Biogas energy from the city's sewage and rubbish;

• Congestion charging, with reductions for people using electric vehicles;

• A network of urban woodland on vacant sites around the city.

Energy minister Jim Mather yesterday praised the initiative, and said he hoped it could be "replicated in towns and cities across Scotland".

The proposals would help to meet ambitious targets of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 42 per cent by 2020 on 1990 levels.

Glasgow city centre consumes the most energy of anywhere in Scotland, emitting about four million tonnes of every year.

Richard Bellingham, the lead author of the report, from Strathclyde University, acknowledged that some of the ideas were likely to spark opposition.

"They are radical ideas, but they are also important ones," he said. "We have to address how we are going to increase the number of people in the city, while decreasing its carbon emissions."

He said key to selling ideas such as congestion charging to the public was "giving good alternatives". He explained: "If they perceive public transport as being high-quality, safe and reasonably priced, they will be more open to the idea that we are wanting to reduce cars in the city centre."

Glasgow City Council leader Steven Purcell told The Scotsman the plans were "very ambitious". "That is the kind of city Glasgow is, and has become," he said. "We are an ambitious city."

Under the plans, £30 million would be spent on creating new woodland in the city.

The report said: "Glasgow will become a literally greener city through the planting of trees to form leafy boulevards, and the creation of urban woodland. Its image would be transformed from a post-industrial city with significant problems to a city that is actively delivering a new, sustainable strategic vision for its future. This new image will attract new businesses and people."

Another £800m would be spent on renewables and energy.

A district heating system to replace oil and gas would cost an estimated £600m and a tram network up to £90m. The consortium envisages capital investment for the projects coming mainly from the private sector. Scottish and Southern Energy and ScottishPower are among the consortium partners.

The initiative has already attracted international recognition. Joel Scheraga, senior adviser for climate adaptation at the US Environmental Protection Agency, who attended yesterday's launch, said: "The Sustainable Glasgow Initiative is a model for cities around the world." The new report was also welcomed by environment groups.

Dr Dan Barlow, head of policy at WWF Scotland, encouraged the rest of Scotland's cities to follow Glasgow's lead. Duncan McLaren, chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, believed the public could be brought round, even to congestion charging and reduced car parking. "I think these things can produce such an improved quality of life in urban areas that, with positive engagement by the council, these should be vote-winners."

However, Graham Bell, spokesman for the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, had concerns about some of the proposals, such as congestion charging.

"Anybody would welcome the dear green place becoming greener. What we might not welcome is it becoming dearer."

He added: "It is not so much whether the principle of 'polluter paying' is right or wrong, but the fact that if Glasgow did it on its own, it would disadvantage the city in comparison to others."

Colin Borland, of the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland, added: "Congestion charging is a tax on those that can't use public transport, and that includes many of the self-employed. The plumber or builder can no more take his tools on the bus than the baker and printer can deliver their goods on the train."


Green highlights

• A tram network, for mixed passenger and freight use, in pedestrian areas – such as between Queen Street and Central stations

• Charges for lorries and vans entering the city centre

• Council tax reductions for one-car families

• Fewer parking spaces in the city centre to dissuade people from driving

• Car clubs to encourage car sharing

• Congestion charging, with reductions for people using electric vehicles

• Lower cost car parking for people with electric vehicles

• Lower energy tariffs for people with lower energy consumption

• A huge new network of urban woodland on vacant sites around the city

• Wind turbines on ten brownfield sites in the city

• Loans for energy efficiency that are paid back via council tax

• A minimum standard of energy efficiency for homes

• Change the law to allow the energy use of homes and businesses to be made publicly available

• More efficient street lighting

• Phase out use of coal and oil for heating

• Change the law so that local authorities can act as energy companies

• Bigger cycle path network

• Public transport to be as cheap as travelling by car

• Lower business rates for companies that adopt low carbon transport schemes – and penalties for those that don't

• Free licensing for electric taxis

• Electric car charging points in car parks

• Electric buses

• Sustainability champions in local communities, businesses and schools to spread the word

• Develop a "Sustainable Glasgow" brand

• Add education about Sustainable Glasgow into the local school curriculum


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  • Last Updated: 28 January 2010 10:59 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

The Real Rufus T Firefly,

27/01/2010 23:01:25
I was in Glasgow last week and people still smoke on the upper decks of buses.

Unbelievable that it still persists.
2

CRAGman,

28/01/2010 00:15:03
So why are the SNP still ranting and raving against trams in Edinburgh? They've plenty of money for the 4-mile way-over-original-budget M74 extension, though.
3

Observant in Glasgow,

28/01/2010 00:20:43
1 They only smoke hash, not cigarettes, so the smoking policy regards tobacco is working.
4

Observant in Glasgow,

28/01/2010 00:25:07
I have to say this for Mr Purcell, the boy does not lack ambition.

Comments from people such as Rufus are laughable (which is why I laughed) if you know Glasgow.

However nothing Purcell says actually addresses the issue of the people that have been left behind.
5

Navvy,

28/01/2010 00:25:39
Some good ideas

On transport, Glasgow really needs to make prober links between Buchanan St, Queen St and Central stations AND provide for a new city centre high speed train station. I suggest that it should be near St Enoch with underground links to the abve three
6

The Strategist,

28/01/2010 00:30:14
"The project would require an estimated £1.5 billion investment from the private sector"

....and the chances of that happening are probably marginally less than zero.
7

Jock MacSprog,

28/01/2010 00:34:26
totally delusional. Even if they did manage to bilk the already over taxed non working weegie pubic out of another 1+ billion, it would simply turn Glasgow from an ugly polluted slum into green ugly polluted slum
8

Cynicus Unbound,

28/01/2010 00:35:49
"I was in Glasgow last week and people still smoke on the upper decks of buses."-#1 The Real Rufus T Firefly

How did the Weedgies know you'd be in town? Did Observer tip them off?

Even though you are a known Edinbugger, Rufus, this ostentatious fumigation strikes me as being uncharacteristically discourteous.
9

scottish sport,

edinburgh 28/01/2010 00:37:11
im interested in the electric buses which although still take their power from overhead cables, run on rubber tyres so wont have the streets dug up for years and should be cheaper and more comfortable. im also glad that significant private sector contribution is expected to pay as they will benefit. In edinburgh the Labour trams are being paid for by the taxpayer and Lothian Transport will tahe the profit
10

The Real Rufus T Firefly,

28/01/2010 00:55:25
4
Observant in Glasgow,28/01/2010 00:25:07
I have to say this for Mr Purcell, the boy does not lack ambition.
------------------------------------------------

You claimed last year that he was crossing the floor to the SNP.

Any timescales?

And you are correct (for once), it was hash they were smoking.

11

The Real Rufus T Firefly,

28/01/2010 00:56:41
Cynicus Unbound,28/01/2010 00:35:49
How did the Weedgies know you'd be in town?
---------------------------------------

Hi Cynicus.

No one knew I was in town. Especially not Observer after some of the stories she has been telling.
12

Cynicus Unbound,

28/01/2010 01:15:17
"And you [Observer] are correct (for once), it was hash they were smoking"-#10 The Real Rufus T Firefly

That's great-hearted Glasgow for you, Rufus. Un-begrudging of a freebie, passive high even to a notorious denizen of Auld Dreichie like you!
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 01:18:18
Looks to me, very soon we will all be 'only robots', in Scotland, a race that once wore Kilts and had free Independent minds, now totally suppressed, it will not be worth living,
Get out now while you can, anywhere else to live can only be for the better while you still have a mind of your own, because soon you wont!

14

Vivas,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 01:21:21
After you Charlie....
15

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/01/2010 01:23:24
So Colin Borland says the congestion charge will be a tax on the plumber and joiner who can't carry their tools on the bus.

Colin, the congestion charge proposal in Edinburgh would have charged people a maximum of £2 a day no matter how many times they went through the cordon. I can think of a few people we can be more sympathetic towards than the £60 an hour plumber having to fork out an extra £2 a day...like the children and old people with breathing problems as a result of all the pollution.

Think about it....
16

The Chook ai Argyll,

28/01/2010 01:49:31
Is the Scotsman a national paper or is it confined to the east? The bile and name calling spouted above would lead one to believe the later and does no one any credit.
If Scotland is to flourish then all parts North, South, East and West need to have abitious plans for the future.
How sad it is to see the reaction of educated people to this article !
17

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 28/01/2010 02:01:20
#16 Expensive green place. Millions thrown at Glasgow.
Monies removed from councils and diverted to the ever more Expensive Green Place.
And you were expecting? What exactly other than further subsidy that is
18

senza nome,

glesga 28/01/2010 02:10:25
Yes indeed, Glasgow's neds are very considerate of fellow passengers.They always go upstairs for some hash or some swally of the Buckie.A credit to our fair city, so they are.
19

The Chook ai Argyll,

28/01/2010 02:18:17
#17....Sorry, whether you like it or not.....the dear green place is a fundamental part of Scotland.
I abhor the mentality that perpetuates the division between any parts of Scotland, especially when carried out by intelligent people.
Lift your heid, because one part is trying to create a vision for the future.....it's not to the detriment of any other part.
Think man....all Scots lost a small fortune when their pension funds were wiped out by HBOS and RBS.....but the good people of Edinburgh enjoyed the benefits for years !
20

Brianwci,

28/01/2010 02:22:37
About time Glasgow got a fair crack of the whip after stagnating under Labour for 5 decades. Interesting that this is happening now with the Labour monopoly broken by around 20 SNP councillors with many more on the way.
21

gadgieman,

Ross-shire 28/01/2010 02:26:30
Glasgow is all suburbs tentacled out to Dunblane, Perth and soothward through Hairshire. The Purcell Gang are no way competent and capable of running it. A proper federal system of taxation and REPRESENTATION is essential to put Weegieland back on track.

Sending all our revenues to London is the worst of all systems for the Central Belt. We'd be very lucky to get even half of it back and most of that would go on impressively badly managed projects ( most of the motley crew that "supervised" the Hoylrood build are still in top Scottish Establishment high salaried posts ) and private-public frauds-R-us.

www.swissconfederationinstitute.org/
22

The Chook ai Argyll,

28/01/2010 02:48:41
#21....I wish you hadn't mentioned Holyrood's shame.
23

Dicky the Lionheart,

28/01/2010 03:39:27
Good ideas.
24

gadgieman,

Ross-shire 28/01/2010 03:40:47
Holyrood was an expensive lesson but was anything learnt? I have sympathy for contractors who wanted to put quality work into a big project and put it on their letterheads only for their work to be ripped up because the contruction wasn't scheduled right; then they had to lay the floor or such like again. Yep, the Scottish Office's never been noticed for it's flair for anything.

This came through the post yesterday: "Dear Mrs Manishee (the gadgie's mither), Better Together is a new NHSScotland programme that gathers information on patients' experiences across Scotland ... we are writing to ask you .. to tell us about your most recent stay in the Raigmore Hospital .."

The Admin. cannot install a fully functioning telephone system far less computerise their record keeping. Nor do they communicate with the General Practicioners who recommended patients to them for hospital treatment .. and this is a "flagship" modern hospital ..

"Lady, I don't think patients need to hear that kind of language when you're on the telephone"

This was a comment from a hospital porter.
25

sweet life,

28/01/2010 04:41:22
take out the horror news headlines
26

sweet life,

28/01/2010 04:42:31
around the square
27

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28/01/2010 04:45:17
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28

sweet life,

28/01/2010 04:47:00
appaarentelly not as sofistiedcated as ye
adios
29

Hmm ...,

28/01/2010 04:47:48
... this sounds like a Green wish list - and, as usual, the devil would be in the detail - what private "investment" will provide the necessary £1.5 billion, when we have an economy in disarray? And on what terms would that investment be provided? I can't see anything there that would make any of these idealistic ambitions either cheaper or more efficient, nice though that idea may be.

This frankly sounds like daydreaming and Glasgow should look at the damage done to Edinburgh's economy by a much less ambitious series of dogma-driven projects!

And how can Glasgow get a tram NETWORK for £80 million when Edinburgh is blowing a billion on a single line? (Unless they are planning to buy Edinburgh's redundant rolling stock very cheaply).

Or is it a misprint for £800 million?
30

sweet life,

28/01/2010 04:50:23
Do I compute?
31

sweet life,

28/01/2010 04:53:33
sympathy is quality then what
32

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2010 05:00:42
(#2) – (CRAGman) – Should you not be asking why if the SNP are still ranting and raving against trams in Edinburgh they are so in favour of this project involving trams in Glasgow?

(#3) – (Observant in Glasgow) –Is hash not often smoked mixed with tobacco in cigarette form?

How many ways have you seen people smoke hash on the top deck of a bus?
33

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2010 05:08:13
(#6) – (The Strategist) –What is it about the project that makes you believe that the private sector are unlikely to invest?
34

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2010 05:17:10
(#13) – (Charles Linskaill) –What is it that you have observed that makes you believe that we will all be only robots very soon?

Can robots not wear kilts?

If we were robots would we be classed as living? ;-)
35

Mcsnagpile,

28/01/2010 05:25:52
Bring back cold water flats, the steamie, a shopping bag to cart round the local shops and mass unemployment----result no CO2.
36

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2010 05:31:04
(#20) – (Brianwci) –As SNP councillors number 20 out of the 79 councillors in Glasgow how much pressure do you believe they have brought to bare with the other councillors to bring about the conception of this project?
37

brizerwatt,

Renfrew 28/01/2010 05:38:13
Shouldnt they be forced to finish the Clyderiverfront grand plan before they start the next grand plan ? Or does the new plan take the huge amounts of money required to develop houses and business parks on the river front and just plant trees on the land instead ?
This will obviously be cheaper than building anything and will maybe get the hash smokers off the buses but in terms of long term economic progress for the city it is a little bit of a non starter. Unless of course they intend to start a lumber industry ?
38

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2010 05:47:10
(#21) – (gadgieman) –Considering that you have stated that Glasgow needs a proper federal system of taxation and representation to get it back on track, does that not suggest you believe it has been on track?

When do you personally believe that Glasgow was on track?

If you believe that Glasgow has been on track, then was it not on track without a federal system of taxation?

If this is the case then why the need for a federal system of taxation to bring Glasgow back on track?
39

New Danielrober,

28/01/2010 07:13:51
Could we please have a double election for the UK and Scotland before the UK/Scotland and our great cities are made bankrupt – in the name of higher environmental concerns.

This plan has just been abandoned by Germany for been too expensive. If Berlin cannot afford this plan how can Glasgow. Where are the cost estimates and contractual price lock-in commitments to show that Glasgow can? Are we just been sold equipment, again already made, which Germany cannot afford.

What are the cost estimates of this plan verse the construction of a tidal barrage. Instead of having report after report, stating how to save the world – in isolation – lets have competition.

Glasgow is a great city and the money should be spent backing up the Commonwealth Games and the Universities as ‘education, training and research institutes’. Universities staff are not elected politicians and should not be allowed to operate as elected officials without the electoral contract.

Lets see the books.
40

drunken proffet,

Tassy 28/01/2010 07:18:25
Well Glasgow always organised the best holidays. Blackpool, Isle of Man, Ferry trips down the Clyde. If they reckon trams are the way to go, I would vote for that. Most likely better than the Edinburgh trams, what a bummer.
41

New Danielrober,

28/01/2010 07:33:43
Glasgow need not be sorry for surviving into the 21st century as a full-blown major Northern European city.

Glasgow still plays a role, on the European field which other cities do not anymore. The locals kept it together (employees and employers) delivering with what they had, made new investment and welcomed in new people. Other cities did not make it and are now classified as towns, but that’s okay too. De-industrialisation is not as clear or maybe fair as it should be, but that’s no need to attack Glasgow.

Well done Glasgow on surviving the last quarter of the 20th century. Now the city should be allowed to rebuild, knock down old, have some new sporting facilities, a new rail link and maybe a big boating lake that also generates electricity. Most of these ventures can amazingly still be funded and organised within the city, which is excellent.

This is not a plan for Glasgow, so why should Glasgow pay ANOTHER bill?
42

Liam,

28/01/2010 07:40:58
The Nats inconsistently supporting trams in Glasgow but opposing - or at best being disinterested in - them in Edinburgh seems ok in the context of Glasgow-dominated Scottish Labour supporting a heavy rail link to Glasgow Airport but not whispering a thing when the equivalent rail link to Edinburgh Airport was shelved. Pliticians are nothing if not inconsistent.
43

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 28/01/2010 07:42:48
9# any profit from trams goes into the coffers of edinburgh,east lothian, and fife councils,please get facts right before commenting,thankyou
44

Unimpressed one,

28/01/2010 08:01:55
Sounds like the usual uninspiring load of green p1sh. It certainly would be 'dear' but let's not worry it'll never happen.
45

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 08:21:57


They have a metro and the best airport link in the world. Do Wegies really what the tram chaos, while many are living in poverty. Might be better spent on youth facilities and medical services

Purcell certainly is a tryer
46

eric,

lothian 28/01/2010 08:24:23
Looks like Glassford st to me.
47

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 08:28:02

NE schools building programme support by direct finance much cheaper.

Was to be financed by Iceland. The banks not the retail outlet.

When Iceland banks went bust had to re-negotiate.
Best deal and cheaper. With low interest rates, if it is a fixed rate deal, even cheaper
48

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 08:30:43

Tram chaos in Edinburgh a tourist attraction.

Met a tourist videoing the chaos outside Scottish Academy. The tourist was going to make a return trip to video, the finished product.

Before and after
49

Rambo The Jambo,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 08:32:08


Glasgow is not already known as the "dear green place".

The name derives from the Gaelic Glaschu which means 'the dear Green'' or 'dear green place'.

Totally different thing.

Poor reporting.

50

McMillar,

Fife 28/01/2010 08:39:30
Big plans, well done to Glasgow and we need more of this. I just think of it as good for shopping at the moment.
51

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 09:00:36
I think that there will be a stampede of private sector firms all wanting to get involved. Look at what happened at Holyrood...most firms made a packet purely because the public sector couldnt manage the proverbial in a brewery which caused numerous delays...all billable of course!

Oh and as for congestion charge...dont forget the additional parking charges which will no doubt escalate. And as for the poster who states that it will be charged at £2 / day for as many visits in and out of the city...do you really think so? The "Lothains" were consultedon the congestion charge for Edinburgh will Glasgow?

Tree line "boulevards" in Glasgow? Whoever came up with that idea must be one of the hash smoking neds on the upper deck of Glasgow buses.
52

WL,

Livingston 28/01/2010 09:01:11
Charge lorries and vans for entering the city and you drive businesses out of the city. That creates empty spaces in the city where, in addition to George Square, you can put the wind turbines.
53

floatingvoter,

28/01/2010 09:03:57
as a Glaswegian I applaud this idea by Purcell and the city fathers.
It may or may not get off the ground however it is at least an attempt and an idea for the future .
something that is unusual for a "Labour man".
The rest of them throughout the Uk have only one of two things to say . in England .."Don't vote tory, they are even worse than us"
In scotland ..."Don't vote SNP they are even worse than us"
so to ear an idea and some vision is refreshing, something we can get behind.
It is also worth noting that the "we cannae do anything mob" the usual suspects that opposse any further devolution or Independence for Scotland are the most vociferous against the idea on these pages.
The scaredy cats , the ones that will rail against any kind of change ,scared of the future ,and their own shadows.
The ones that want to continus a dependency culture as against an Independence culture.
54

Ben Thehoose,

28/01/2010 09:07:37
Any money spent on Glasgow is a waste (unless it's for demolition).
55

Observer, formerly resident,

28/01/2010 09:29:23
“Recommendations include: A tram network”

Glasgow HAD a perfectly good one!

While not retained and modernised as other European cities were doing throughout the fifties and sixties, this was far from a slow, clunking, pre-war system.

At its peak, it was a system of about 200 miles. The last extension was in 1949!

The fast, comfortable, ‘Coronation’ bogie cars continued to be built right up to 1954!
(Many of the newest were destroyed in a depot fire in 1961.)

All this was created and sustained locally.

What happened to the energy of the people? Why was justifiable local pride in the system overruled by a consultants’ report advocating closure? (The Inglis Report of 1955.)

Despite which, the power station was re-equiped in 1957! And St Georges Cross junction was re-laid in 1961, the last such major tramway renewal in the UK!

With the 50th anniversary of closure coming up in 2012, it would be interesting to hear the real story from those who wantonly scrapped it.
56

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 09:32:17


Does Purcell have another interest as agent for the construction industry.

Does this mean Glagow Labour Unionist will protest about the underfunding of Scotland for the last thirty years. The underfunding supported by Unionists in Scotland.

'Socialist' Purcell, Glasgow already gets nearly, £300 a year per person more than some other regions. This amounts to nearly £300,000,000. Greater Glasgow.

Other regions have to go without essential services like bypass roads, because of UK gov neglect. Supported by Glasgow Unionists. Self-interest.
57

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

28/01/2010 09:36:24
A tram line between Queen St and Central stations?

Somebody has got be joking!

Apart from the fact that the distance is little more than a hop, skip and a jump, there is already a non-used low-level tunnel connection between these points via the High Street link.
58

New Danielrober,

28/01/2010 09:37:58
# 47 floatingvoter

Just a quick point of note – city father, founding fathers etc are titles only gained when they/you are dead. Living people are not referred to as the city fathers. It’s considered a bad show and rather presumptuous to use this title when still here.

Not that a lot of Glasgow people don’t deserve the title and some new statues, some do. It’s just you have to wait until you die before you get the title and then your children and grandchildren are proud.
59

IainA,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 09:51:44
Congestion charging and trams? Ideas that have been rejected in Edinburgh (and in the case of trams, imposed and yet to be proven). Why should the University of Strathclyde assume that the people of Glasgow would want them?

Or are they not going to have a referendum on congestion charging? Maybe that's the lesson Edinburgh taught to the 'cooncils o' Scotland' - Don't do this democracy nonsense, you sometimes can't get what you want! People will sometimes vote against you!

You can't have the electorate in charge after all, goodness know where that would lead.
60

Vox Cavalier,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 09:53:40
Spot on no. 49! Whose name was on the document that ended the trams? Which consultants made the recommendation? Can we sue them now? This is just another excuse to funnel public money into the hands of corrupt construction companies. "Glasgow cooncillors - the best money can buy!"

"The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) issued penalties to 103 (construction) companies worth a total of £129.5 million after an investigation into bid-rigging in England, but warned that the practice had been "endemic" in the industry."

"The biggest fine – £17.9 million – went to Kier Group, while Balfour Beatty was fined a total of £5.2 million relating to the actions of its subsidiary Mansell. Carillion has been asked to pay £5.4 million due to contracts tendered by Mowlem, which it bought in 2006."
61

mik3,

28/01/2010 10:01:55
#15 Julian

"children and old people with breathing problems as a result of all the pollution"

Last I knew, cars were fitted with catalytic converters which produce non polluting gasses such as CO2. What have cars got to do with these breathing problems?
62

IainA,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 10:07:36
I was just thinking, why go to all the hassle of putting in trams in the pedestrianised areas of the city? what's wrong with little electric minibuses if you're insistent on being green.Cheaper and quicker to do too.

Oh and I'd like to see some figures on this idea of brownfield wind turbines and sewer gas powerplants. I can't see there being much return on investment in that idea!
63

Alice Cooper,

28/01/2010 10:15:30
this is nothing more than electioneering,promise the moon,vote for us soon,and watch the promises disapear faster than snaw oaf a dyke
what its saying is ,if you want all this vote labour
the vote and will still be waiting by the next GE
if it was still xmas i could have shouted "BAH HUMBUG"
64

Distalgesic,

28/01/2010 10:16:39
"If they perceive public transport as being high-quality, safe and reasonably priced"

And there's the problem, public transport currently meets none of those criteria.
65

nemien,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 10:25:44
#37
I am afraid it is you that is wrong. The trams are owned by Tie who in turn are owned by TEL a wholly owned company of CEC. The bus company is owned in the majority by CEC with West Lothian and Midlothian owning a very small share, I think 5%

On another issue £90m from trams would by between 2-3 Km of tram. This would mean that the tram would never get above 5 Km/hour before it had to slow down for the next stop. If they have £1.5 Bn to spend then wisely they should stay well away from TRAMs.
66

Dijit,

Glasgow 28/01/2010 10:44:42
Mad, bad and dangerous.
These politicians/academics will at a stroke finally kill off the city centre for as many as possible.
Businesses will become uncompetitive having to pass on the cost of congestion charges on their deliveries.
People go shopping in their cars in order to transport their purchases home.
Try carrying a weekly shopping for a family on and off buses!

Glasgow should be embracing the motorist by making proper provision for user friendly parking. In the 80's all office developments had to provide an off street parking place per 150'2 IIRC.
Then Labour scrapped all that and refused parking places, ripped up existing parking at each street end and generally caused chaos for those who needed a car.
Our company relocated from Glasgow as a result and deliberately reduced our customer base in the city centre. Eventually we refused to take on city centre customers altogether due to the impossibility of parking and delivering goods without the use of goods vehicles.
Last year I only saw Glasgow city centre 4 times despite living within 7 miles of the centre as a result of friends trying to live in the centre. I was struck by the congestion caused by one way systems, (try just going around the block!) and the huge numbers of empty shops and offices.
We gave up trams in the 50's & 60's due to their inflexibility and the dangers posed by tramlines. Edinburgh is about to relearn those lessons and the huge cause and disruption to local businesses.
If Glasgow wants to innovate look at Manchester's system and also consider moving pavements.

Whatever costs are projected now, multiply by three.

Lastly beware of politicians and academics who know nothing, have built nothing and achieve only widespread disruption, havoc, misery and public debt as they pontificate and justify their latest barking mad ideas to control and regulate normal life.
The only profession for which you don't require qualifications is that of a local or national politician.
Th
67

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 28/01/2010 10:53:13
90 million for a tram system - where exactly?? Along Queen Street - sounds totally delusional!! Anyway the Weegians had one of the best tram systems in the world at one time, with miles and miles of off-road track, and gave it all up to let their green city go brown with diesel fumes!!

Bit late for them to recant now but I'm all in favour of ambitious infrastruture schemes - not just in Weegieland but over the whole of Scootieland so all power to them - from wind or water - and, as far as sustainability and the use of natural energy, let's all follow the example of Eigg, where they don't have trams ---- yet!!!
68

Guanyersel,

28/01/2010 11:08:36
'60
Very interesting post.
Many posters from Edinburgh keep saying that Glasgow is ideal for cars, parking and shopping. Clearly as someone who lives there you think different. ( I have to agree about the one way systems - one wrong turn and your goosed!!)

Is it not just the case that all city centres are too dense and congested and do not have enough room to create an perefect environment to suit everyones tastes.

So the question is "Should Edinburgh be seen as a visionary city for avoiding urban motorways, considering congestion charging and developing trams and Glasgow merely playing catch up"?
69

Ulster Protestant,

28/01/2010 11:10:05
Trams - oh no, not again
70

wicked witches like,

manipulated gov figures 28/01/2010 11:24:57


27/01/2010 9.38.01


Oldhabits Bristol


2009/10

Offical gov figures

SS 219Bn
Health 119Bn
Education 88Bn
Defence 38Bn
Law & Order 36Bn

Debt interest 30 Bn

If these figures correct (doubt). Scotland receives 34 Bn

Difference of approx 16 Bn
71

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 11:27:25

Trams were axed everywhere in UK

Tories favoured roads, not public transport

72

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 28/01/2010 11:35:21
# 62 'Guanyersel' - as a person who used to visit Weegia frequently from Nedburg I always took the view that the former was ideal for not taking a car by dint of the excellent public transport available which was much better than there ever was on the latter because there were more suburban trains, trams which went to all parts often on 'reserved' track - that is not on streets - a real underground, trolley buses as well as feeder buses in the outskirts.

Why it was that the weegionians did away with much of this was always beyond me but they have at least retained the trains to a much larger degree then the Nedburgers.

I approve of expansive visionary ideas for city regeneration based on transport infrastructure and you only have to look at French cities, many of which have reintroduced trams as staple city transport - Bordeaux, Lyon, Nantes and Strasbourg being only four of the many - to see how this leads to other elements of revival happening so I'd like to see trams again in weegieland and an extension of the wee toatie underground to make it a real metro.

And of course more trees and maximum use of natural energy sources.
73

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 28/01/2010 11:45:41
It is 10.43pm Thursday night here in NSW, Australia and Andy Murry has just booked his place in the final of the Australian Open. Congratulations Scottish tennis fans.
74

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 28/01/2010 11:49:45
Eh, weeshooie1, can he get there by tram, by the way???
75

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 11:52:44
56

"what's wrong with little electric minibuses if you're insistent on being green."

They simply wont take the weight of all the fat lazy useless incapacity benefit scroungers that Glasgow has more than it's fair share of
76

Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 11:52:57
Only in the public sector would it be possible to employ people on good salaries and index-linked pensions to provide a report such as this which is high on vision and short on detail.......and for which eventual funding is highly unlikely. This is another example of university wallahs trying to justify their non-jobs and I'm disappointed that the press has fallen for it - yet again.
77

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 11:56:03
65

"Trams were axed everywhere in UK

Tories favoured roads, not public transport"

Looks like there a lot of closet Tories out there in the Central Belt of Scotland all preferring to commute along the M9, M8, M77, M90 as opposed to having to rely on unreliable expensive public transport.
78

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 28/01/2010 11:57:23
# 70 'MOCO' - Pity you're not the man on the Corstorphine train or the No 1 tram!!!!
79

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 11:59:59
"Glasgow plans congestion charge and trams in £1.5bn vision"

By the way, was their "vision" drug induced / enhanced?
80

gadgieman,

Ross-shire 28/01/2010 12:02:20
-- Glasgow still plays a role, on the European field ..

Europeans do visit, perhaps to study how not to run a conurbation and have been heard to say, "It's lucky we weren't on the winning side in world war two".

There's a dreadful inbred parochialism about the place, and in every new Labour politician elected. If they weren't advised, funded, and directed from the Capital of Hot Air called London which they visit at every opportunity at the working people of Glasgow 's expense, they'd be lost altogether. Lost for words.
81

Jo Public,

28/01/2010 12:12:45
Best thing to come out of Glasgow is the M8 to Edinburgh.
82

noswod,

Honestas 28/01/2010 12:26:15
Dear Flat Earthers its only through this sort of invest over a 15/20yr period that Scotlands economny can be changed from low productivity, minimum wage basis to a high productivity high social welfare base. To do this we have to cut current expenditures on: free parking, perscriptions, University Fees, Pensions for Public servants et el and redirect the spend into structural ecomonic/infrastructurual change. Note that all the major German, Scandinvian and French Cities our competitors already have this kind of investment. If you want our children to have any kind of economic future the Scottish political class has to start thinking this way. Unfortunately naye chance from the SNP (Still No Polices for the Economic, Social and Political regeneration of Scotland besides give aways to the Tartan Army, Labour shows no real intellengence about implementing plans like this but I think gets the message. These kinds of investment are not luxuries but the minimum investments neccessary to be able to economically progress in the 21st Century. The alternative is complete deindustrialisation of teh Scottish economy and everyone having to live on a dollar a day, when a half loaf costs $5 and we are well down that path.
83

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 12:35:20
76
"These kinds of investment are not luxuries but the minimum investments neccessary to be able to economically progress in the 21st Century"

Tree lined boulevards? A network of urban woodland? A link for the lazy between Central & Queen Street?

they sound awfully like luxury items to me
84

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 12:36:46
#75
"Best thing to come out of Glasgow is the M8 to Edinburgh"

Not at rush hour it isnt Jo...instead of silly trams...build more motorways!!
85

Iain Mac,

28/01/2010 12:41:06
Sounds like a good idea. Pity that half of Glasgow have a phobia towards anything 'green'.
86

floatingvoter,

28/01/2010 12:47:00
69 albion Bob being his usual charmoing Tory self I note.
and your height and weight Bob?
87

wild wadi,

Kirkie 28/01/2010 12:47:55
#78 Albion Bob,

Naw. It's the one o' clock flight to Dubai.

However being a "Greater Weegie" it is refreshing to read an article and subsequent postings NOT blaming us affluent suburbs for all Glasgows problems.

Yes Observer but the trams weren't restricted to Glasgow. They went to Dalmuir and Bishopbriggs as well as Bearsden.

http://ssa.nls.uk/film.cfm?fid=5047&search_term=trams&search_join_type=AND&search_fuzzy=yes
88

Jo Public,

28/01/2010 12:50:41
#78 I know but at least it is in the right direction :0)
89

floatingvoter,

28/01/2010 12:51:29
76 Noswood , as you berate the SNP for not allegedly having policies for economic ,socail and political regenaeration.
Perhaps you could tell us how ANY party could address these issues in Scotland while depending on pocket money from Westminster?

We need at the very minimum Full fiscal Autonomy ,so that decisions appertaining to Scotland can be taken in Scotland.
The economic strategy of UK PLC is to feed the bottomless pit that is The south East of England
90

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 12:54:32
The photograph actually shows Ingram Street looking towards the Commercial Library on Queen Street.
91

John J. Sheridan,

28/01/2010 12:55:52
This 'ambition' from a city council whose road surfaces and pavements would be baulked at by the average denizen of the worst third world dump.

'Couldn't run a p!ss up in a brewery' springs to mind when it comes to the little and large despots who run Glasgow....less trees, grass and some orange rubber chewing gum covered flooring on our main square anyone?

Steven Purcell sees Glasgow as one thing and one only.....a political stepping stone on his arrogant rise to fame and a place at the big trough.



Socialist my ar*e.
92

John J. Sheridan,

28/01/2010 13:02:13
As to some of the former comments regarding traffic systems in 'the dear green place'......all graduate traffic 'engineers' should be buried up their interfering necks in hot asphalt in the middle of Argyle St, and then have a large and totally unnecessary road sign driven into their empty cranium.
93

Incandescent,

28/01/2010 13:09:29
#92 Most sensible comment so far.
94

The Strategist,

28/01/2010 13:14:53
#33

Why do I think the private sector won't invest?

Because even if collectively the Glasgow private sector could pull together £1.5bn (which is very doubtful in itself) then it will want to know what the benefit would be to the contributing companies.

There is also the issue of where all the "stuff" would come from. There is no Scottish tram manufacturer and we only build small wind turbines. We don't build biogas systems and whilst there is one Scottish company involved in making electric vehicles it's based on a French Peugeot vehicle.

I'd be more supportive if I thought this proposal was somehow going to help Scottish industry perhaps as a showcase for Scottish technologies but it's not. So lots of financial pain and no real gain.
95

Richard Lionheart,

28/01/2010 13:38:56
how many more wind farms will be needed to recharge all these electric cars, vans, trucks and taxis and fuel all these trams?

We know that every inch of the country will need to be covered with wind turbines to meet our present requirements. What a lovely environment we will live in!

Now we really should be concerned that the mental hospital in Glasgow is being shelved?
96

Hobbe,

28/01/2010 13:43:40
This is just a paper exercise in the main, some of the ideas are probably ok, some of them are just the struggling Purcell trying to pretend that labour matter when they are going ta ta's..........I know there are changes for the better to Glasgow Council, but let's be honest, the vision never came for the 50 years labour enjoyed hegemony, and that has all changed.

Glasgow needs to make itself attractive to private investors to get them involved, and for 'attractive' replace it with "profitable".


That isn't the case here-more about bluster, and the 'tram' sounds like a token to pretend that the labour backed disastrous tram-line in Edinburgh is ahead of the game when it is not only useless for transport needs but is going to run late and well over budget.

Naff article, the potential for Glasgow is to be less ambitious and more realistic when we know Labour have us all up to our eyeballs in debt and it is economic chaos in the real world thanks to them.
97

Moray Stewart,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 13:48:05
ha ha ha ha "...a tram network up to £90m" what total nonsense when Edinhburgh is unlikely to even get a single line for £600 million.
98

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 13:55:01
I see the public sector are continuing with their white elephant construction projects coupled with ever more bold schemes to tax the begeebers out of us even further.

I just can't get over the arrogance of the political class these days - when their people are 'starving' they are gorging themselves on our hard earned cash so they can build 'monuments' to their own ego's.

The French aristocracy had the same attitude towards their people - it didn't end well for them!

There are two phony 'problems' driving this 'convenient' insanity - 1:- Traffic planners have created massive congestion, coupled with endless 'roadworks' and 2: the debunked and fraudulent CO2 theory ...

The government at almost every level seems to think you can solve economic woes by spending your way our of debt. Personally I think we are seeing the industrial scale sabotage of our local and national economies because certain political parties cannot deal with being thrown out of office!

I'm starting to think that there is space on a ballot sheet for a democratic non political entity who's mission is simply to deliver maximum value for money, minimum interference, and maximum efficiency to the beleaguered tax payers, businesses and motorists throughout Scotland's Cities.

The politicians and status quo parties have had their chance and they have failed us and they have betrayed us. I think it is time for a completely new approach and time to rid ourselves of these self interested egotistical parasites.
99

jtdx,

28/01/2010 14:01:15
Glasgow should build "Rab C. Nesbitt Land", and wait for the tourists to come.
100

IainGlasgow,

28/01/2010 14:06:19
Does UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA mean anything to anyone in the public sector?

As for the congestion charge will we get a referendum like Edinburgh or will it just be imposed upon us?

Lets spend some money on the roads! At Glasgow cross the potholes are so bad you can see the old cobblestones. Yet they have found the money to put several CCTV cameras with megaphones in that area. Welcome to 1984!
101

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 14:06:48
95:- Good comment ... windmills are yet another tragic waste of public money to combat a non existent problem - they really may as well be burning public money for the hell it.

Wind farms will not close one solitary power station. They are not remotely reliable, they are not viable economically without massive subsidy, and they don't produce anything if the wind doesn't blow.

In a nutshell - we are paying to keep the power stations open, we are paying for technology that doesn't work, we are paying for jobs that are unnecessary and counterproductive to the main economy during a time that we can afford it least and all this idiocy is happening because apparently 'CO2' , a plant food, 'might' be 'problem' 500 years from now ....

The madness has got to stop.
102

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 28/01/2010 14:25:52
I heard a wonderful way of decribing CO2 'activits' and 'environmental' groups the other day ...

They call it 'Watermelon' politics ..... green on the outside, red on the inside ...

Be warned - the 'environmental' movement, The EU, and the fraudulent CO2 theory are at the heart of an undemocratic marxist political take over.

When Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon treaty he made José Manuel Durão Barroso and Herman Van Rompuy his, and any future prime ministers, boss.

Democracy cannot exist in any country where the elected representatives must jump to the tune of the unelected representatives of a foreign power.

We need to get out of the EU and fast.

The status quo parties are treating voters like the proverbial battered wife. They treat us like Sh1!t, they betray us, they squander our money, and they are arrogant and high handed with us and somehow we keep going back to them ..

If you have half a brain you will be voting for one of the smaller parties who actually offer real alternatives to the status quo. The ONLY parties that can be trusted are parties with a clear message about either leaving the EU or offer an 'in or out' referendum ...
103

New Danielrober,

28/01/2010 14:35:26
# 80 gadgieman,Ross-shire

Try talking to an Educated or TV watching person from outside of the North-Western European comfort zone, about European cities, not just British ones. Ask them where they are, what are they like, what they do or did etc? For the most part people will be polite but blank.

Ask them about Glasgow and they will probably have an opinion even if it’s just about Rangers, Celtic and Ship building. Glasgow is a Northern European flagship city which is why everyone wants to build something there/here. Build in Glasgow and get noticed, maybe that why so many people try it on.

However, feasibility studies are healthy and Glasgow really could do with more trees for the drainage alone.
104

New Danielrober,

28/01/2010 14:36:43
# 102 Voldemort,Edinburgh

I love watermelons, indeed all fruit.
:-)
105

just-whatever-eh,

28/01/2010 14:50:20
That photo isnt Queen Street - its Ingram Street
106

Whats the script?,

The Capital 28/01/2010 14:52:17
Is the building in the picture shown actually in Glasgow? It looks semi decent!
107

Cynicus Unbound,

28/01/2010 14:53:37
There is a wonderful cartoon in today's Herald which, possibly, only Observer has seen.

A wee man and in a bunnet pass a newspaper billboard in George Square (I think) proclaiming the plans for trams.

The wee man says to his wife :"We'll show Edinburgh what a trams fiasco REALLY looks like."
108

Brianwci,

28/01/2010 14:55:21
#36 Ewan Randal:

Ewan 20 in this case is 25% of the council. This is large enough group to keep the others on their toes but also to pressure them re new projects.

On the other hand this could just as easily be London Labour propaganda to keep Glaswegians sweet for the upcoming GE i.e. pain today but don't worry heaven tomorrow.

If it happens it would be great for Glasgow and everyone should support it as and when it shows its face in 'real time' as opposed to 'future time'.
109

Andrah,

Embrugh 28/01/2010 15:23:17
“Dr Dan Barlow, head of policy at WWF Scotland, encouraged the rest of Scotland's cities to follow Glasgow's lead”

It was no surprise to learn that WWF was behind the recent Glaciergate and other IPPC scandals.

Heard a good joke last week about WWF;

“There are 2 organisations called WWF. One WWF is the World Wildlife Foundation and the other is World Wrestling Federation.

One of these is a blatantly commercial organisation - making money by staging over-hyped unbalanced events containing plenty of ad-libbing but a pre-arranged conclusion. The other WWF runs wrestling tournaments."

Perhaps we should consider renaming WWF, WTF?
110

Andrah,

Embrugh 28/01/2010 15:24:17
#106 Although a resident of Embrugh, there is no doubt that Glasgow city centre has many impressive and beautiful buildings.
111

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 15:47:27
#86

6'3" of pulsating blubber Mr Floater

Dont forget to flush!!

;-)
112

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 15:50:01
#87
"However being a "Greater Weegie" it is refreshing to read an article and subsequent postings NOT blaming us affluent suburbs for all Glasgows problems"

Kirky an affluent suburb?...Lenzie maybe

;-)
113

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 28/01/2010 16:06:55
Glasgow trams - help!

Edinburgh will be wanting a subway system next.

Joking aside it is rather sad that our four cities once had fantastic tram networks - all ripped up in the 1950s to be replaced by polluting diesel busses. Progress! Imagine if those lines had been left intact.
114

jaad,

EDINBURGH 28/01/2010 16:18:26
Sounds like a lovely city
All they need to do now is get rid of the Glaswegians...
jaad - Edinburgh
115

Albion Bob,

28/01/2010 16:23:59
113

"Imagine if those lines had been left intact"

Sure...people would be wanting buses
116

Miss H,

28/01/2010 16:36:03
53 If you actually read the article you would see that the proposal is being led by the University of Strathclyde and is being supported by both the SNP Government and the Labour Council.

This makes it difficult to break it down along party political lines so I am surprised there are so many comments!
117

Calum Crubag,

28/01/2010 16:44:05
Sounds good. Now Glasgow and Scotland can join much of Europe and the modern world.
118

Leesome,

Glasgow 28/01/2010 17:18:04
Just the ticket, what visionaries Glasgow are, time has proven Glasgow visionary be spot on, just the magic bullet every city requires, that indeed be seen in this article taken from report.

Strathclyde University have, that is obvious, given then craft a taylor made report, no doubt worth every penny.

Be braw see those trees grow, from years by, shall then fallen those and sell the wood.

Electric buses, what a light weight solution, most certainly remove cars, and we all aware those pot holes, no more complaints drivers.

No underground then, but then that is a past plan, we don't want the past at Glasgow, only visions of future?
119

david wayne osedach,

San Diego 28/01/2010 17:31:38
The plan is sound! Now all they have to do is to come up with the 1.5 billion in today's economy.
120

wild wadi,

28/01/2010 17:42:40
#112 Albion Bob,

I meant East Dunbartonshire.

However in Kirkie we do have the very affluent areas namely Westermains, Hayston and along the Kilsyth Road. On a lesser scale, there's Oxgang, Rosebank, Langmuir and High Gallowhill with house prices of 300 grand not uncommon.
121

El Franko,

28/01/2010 18:32:12
EVERYTHING done by the greenies and other alarmists has been harmful. ANYTHING based on the lies and deceptions of the CO2 alarmists has to be given the most careful appraisal - and then it will be rejected for being harmful, expensive, wasteful of resources, and bad for the environment.
122

El Franko,

28/01/2010 18:33:08
Cameras were recently smuggled into the Greenie Bunker, where things are not looking good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-6U5MwyDM
123

SeriouslyAmused,

Alexandria 28/01/2010 18:56:47
Looking at the above comments, not all, but a sizeable amount, no wonder folks say all people can do these days is whinge. Anything that smacks of positivism, and out come the doom-laden and swivel eyed. Oh, and as per usual on any Second City story, ignorant Glasgow-hating green-ink sputtering jerks.

Got a pipe? Smoke it.
124

wicked witches like,

28/01/2010 19:35:29
86 FV


3 Ft midget
125

Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land of Green Ginger. 28/01/2010 19:55:28
123SeriouslyAmused, Alexandria 28/01/2010 18:56:47
Looking at the above comments, not all, but a sizeable amount, no wonder folks say all people can do these days is whinge. Anything that smacks of positivism, and out come the doom-laden and swivel eyed. Oh, and as per usual on any Second City story, ignorant Glasgow-hating green-ink sputtering jerks.

Got a pipe? Smoke it.
________________________

Pointed.

Glasgow Labour faithers have always held a Tory style pipe dream of chasing the unwashed, uneducated and unemployed out of their homes and towards Harthill. Giving away all their homes to privateers and letting the developers take the rap for pulling them down for empty office space was sheer genius. I still wonder how they avoided the pending court cases when Labour councillors bought up the property being developed though?
126

puskas,

East kilbride 28/01/2010 20:00:08
No46, eric.

Hi ......... Ingram Street looking west.

Queen Street running in a " T " at top of pict.. From North to South
127

Jimmy Fae the West,

28/01/2010 20:02:04
#122El Franko, 28/01/2010 18:33:08
Cameras were recently smuggled into the Greenie Bunker, where things are not looking good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-6U5MwyDM
___________________________

Tee heee. You should see this secret film of East Lothian constituency Labour meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdZ0TocTlo
128

Joe McT,

28/01/2010 21:01:37
What the heck is "Green" about a Tram from Queen St to Central Station?

What's wrong with a mere 5 minute walk?
129

gadgieman,

Ross-shire 28/01/2010 21:27:45
Write BILLION and put the decimal 1.5 in front of it and all sense departs from journalists and the general.

Our company, Finbar Marine, could build a state-of-the-art 80' 30 kt Coastguard Cutter for £10M and still see some change from it. What would it cost for a vehicle ferry between Rosyth and Rotterdam? I could price it and am thinking of £100M figure which is alot less than a billion which is 1000 million.

Diversifying we could certainly do a Glasgow tram system and an integrated urban woodland network which is EXPECTED in any routine civil Finnish engineering project. Within this £1.5 billion.

What IS Steven Purcell's salary and how TF does he justify it?

-- Rob McA (head of engineering)
Finbar Marine
130

wild wadi,

Kirkie 28/01/2010 23:01:42
#126 puskas,

This was the view as you left the old Glasgow Sheriff Court.....
131

Goat Laybah,

Glasgow 28/01/2010 23:57:03
Ha, ha ,ha and who is going to pay for this? Certainly not the venal, vile, corrupt and bankrupt GCC (this is what you get after fifty years of incestuous Labour control gets you. Goodness me, Glasgow is going to be funded and bailed out at the tax payer's expense over the Commonwealth Games or the: "Get Celtc a Free Upgrade and Training Facility then sell off Lennoxtown at a profit before you pay back the original loan, Games" as it is known to we of the the non-Labour clique in The City Chambers.

Don't believe me? Ask ..., that's we he was told by ... ( a certain very high ranking Labour GCC official who also happens to be gay. Nothing wrong with that, of course).
132

david wayne osedach,

San Diego 30/01/2010 23:06:28
I can't see that congestion charge being very popular. It will take quite a bit getting used to!

 

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