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Published Date:
12 November 2007
RADICALISED, weapon-toting potential terrorists plotting evil deeds. The three Asian men sitting in the hushed library at Edinburgh's Central Mosque huddle at a table, speaking quietly, one passes the other a sophisticated mobile phone and waits for news.
This is the Islamic prayer house where, according to recent reports at least, "hate-filled", radical literature was found. That came just days before MI5 boss Jonathan Evans sent a chilling warning of young Muslims being methodically groomed by extremists, of teenagers being radicalised and indoctrinated and of children being implicated in terrorist-related activity: could places like the Potterow mosque really be at the heart of a new national security threat?

Umar Malik, a bearded 20-year-old, nods and smiles. "Yes!" he exclaims, then grins broadly as he looks up from the internet-connected mobile. Pakistan, it turns out, are well on the way to victory over India in their second, one-day cricket international. And that, it seems, is about as controversial and dramatic as events get within the towering walls of the city's biggest mosque.

Sohaib Saeed, a 23-year-old Edinburgh University philosophy graduate, strokes his chin and casts an eye over shelves packed with books. "I'd better just check there's no radical or extreme literature here," he declares.

Jokes aside, there's a definite weariness in his voice as he explains away an allegation from a London-based newspaper that he says has no substance.

So-called "extreme literature" - allegedly a pamphlet discussing brutal punishment for those who dare to reject their Islamic faith - is said to have been openly distributed for free within the Islamic Centre of Edinburgh attached to the King Fahd Mosque.

It's fair to say the news, which emerged during the recent controversial state visit of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, did not go down well with the mosque's hierarchy leading up to their Open Doors week - when they actively encourage visitors of all faiths over the threshold - and the city-wide Inter-Faith week. It jarred dramatically with the mosque's image - a £4 million landmark building paid for largely by Saudi donations, opened in 1998, modern in both construction and outlook, one of few mosques in the country to actively encourage curious non-Muslims to enter in a bid to break down misconceptions.

Suggestions that the mosque might be harbouring a radical and extreme element have exasperated Sohaib - one of the organisers of the August Islam Festival Edinburgh. But can he give a guarantee that it doesn't exist?

"I'm sure any religious person has views someone else might not like. But I'm not going to engage in that kind of analysis.

"As for anything that incites illegality, I can say categorically that we don't have things that are illegal here. And if we were to find things that were illegal, then we would remove them.

"If some people have a view . . . well, we are not the thought police, we don't know what everyone thinks," he sighs. "And there are thousands of people who come and use the mosque.

"The only things that represent what the mosque is about are the sermons on a Friday, the lessons done through circles and talks, information we distribute to the people and the exhibition of our faith we share with visitors.

"What matters is that we work to promote better understanding of Islam."

A stream of visitors pours from the education room where an exhibition explaining the faith is open all year round. They have already visited the plain, white-walled, cavernous prayer room with its striking green and gold £35,000 carpet and sparkling chandeliers - a room large enough to accommodate nearly 1000 worshipers for Friday prayers. Even it is not large enough - there is a second prayer room, smaller with capacity for 500 more, nearby.

Sohaib insists that he has not encountered a radical element within its walls - although he has experienced plenty of racist abuse from strangers outside - and certainly not while he's busy organising inter-faith week meetings with Church of Scotland ministers and representatives from the Jewish community.

"People might imagine there's some kind of animosity between people of different religions but it doesn't exist here at all," he says.

• The Central Mosque Open Doors Week: 2pm to 6pm daily between November 17-25.




'I'm definitely treated with less respect than I was before I converted'


SHE was born in Penicuik, raised by Scots parents and a regular at her local Church of Scotland.

Today, however, 25-year-old Kimberly McCrindle is Tasnim Salih, her clothes are typically those of a Muslim woman - even down to the hijab, the trailing scarf she wears wrapped around her head and shoulders and the long flowing skirts that skim her ankles.

A trained opera singer with a passion to act and appear on stage, she traded it for Islam eight years ago and now lives with her Sudanese husband and three children in Niddrie.

When she swapped religions, she also quickly became a target for 'racial' abuse. "The worst thing is when you're on the bus," she explains. "People will sit behind me and talk about me. They'll be saying 'Look at the state of her' and start talking about terrorists.

"Then I turn around and they see I'm just like them and they are usually gobsmacked.

"I'm definitely treated differently - with less respect than before I converted."

She was a regular at church in Penicuik, but constantly questioned its teachings when she became friends with a group of Pakistani girls.

"I started to read about Islam," she remembers. "The moment I walked into the Mosque I felt at peace.

"It was a major decision for me to convert and my parents were not happy about it and I can understand why - it was something so different. When I married Sabir, we had a ceremony at the Mosque and my parents didn't come."

The couple had met at Stevenson College, by which time she had already taken the shahadah testimony of faith at the Central Mosque. Eventually her parents accepted her decision, and joined the couple at a civil wedding ceremony.

Today, she has three young children, daughters Rayyan, four and Tibyan, aged three, and eight-months-old son, Abdul-Majeed.

Her dream of becoming an opera diva have been replaced with regular trips to the theatre instead. Now she looks after the family home while her husband works in a local kebab shop but she hopes eventually to go to college to train as a midwife.

As for acts of terror, extreme literature and radical teaching, Kimberly says she is no more likely to encounter them in her life than anyone else.

"All I know is that after the terror attacks in New York and later in London, I didn't leave the house. I knew I'd attract attention and it wasn't worth it. People have this impression of what being a Muslim is about but they're wrong. Islam is about peace."









When it comes to the so-called cricket test, Umar always cheers for Scotland


ORDEAL: Umar Malik has fallen victim to racist jibes for years
ORDEAL: Umar Malik has fallen victim to racist jibes for years

YOUNG, Muslim and living in Britain. In a period of terror alerts, tension and suspicion, what is it really like?

At 20 years old, UMAR MALIK could - according to the chief of MI5 - be a prime candidate for the terrorist recruitment agents. Like his friend Sohaib Saeed, however, the law student regards himself as Pakistani Scottish - if he had to take the so-called "cricket test" it would be Scotland he'd end up cheering for. "I always support the underdog," he grins.

Born and raised in Edinburgh, his grandfather came to the UK in the 1950s from Pakistan. These days, life revolves around studies - he travels to university in Dundee - and the mosque.

And while many Scottish lads may spend their time trawling the city's bars, Muslim laws means Umar and his friends do not drink - even if alcohol is still an issue for them. For drink fuelled racist rants from strangers are a way of life.

"I was coming out of the Mosque wearing traditional Pakistani clothes and a guy was standing outside the pub, pint in his hand, and he made some pretty nasty comments. But I've had that since school. I ignore it. I was on the train the other day, this girl became really abusive. Things like that happen to us all."

MOHAMMED ALI, 22, is a third-year medical student at Edinburgh University, originally from Athens.

Like Umar, he has found himself on the receiving end of abuse. "There have been a few incidents in the street, but not that serious and you don't react. Last time was when I was at a bus stop and a drunk man came up and started saying things like: 'Why don't you just go back to Africa?' He was rather confused I think."

The abusive diatribes often go unchecked by people too wary to get involved. "This time though, after he had walked away, two other people at the bus stop started to apologise on his behalf even though they didn't have anything to do with it.

"It was encouraging for me that at least they weren't going to let it just happen."

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  • Last Updated: 12 November 2007 10:31 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Muslim issues
 
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12/11/2007 12:17:33
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Divot,

Embra 12/11/2007 12:26:58

So should all the churches.

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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Ontario 12/11/2007 12:35:23

Close the churches, the mosques, the Buddhist temples, the Hindu places of worship, the Sikh temples, etc., etc.

What EXACTLY will one accomplish, pray tell?

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12/11/2007 12:39:31
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Puzzler,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 12:50:11

There is no doubt that racists will use the current situation as an excuse to attack muslims. However, most are ignoramuses and cannot tell a sikh from a muslim, or a christian from buddhist. All they see is a person with a darker skin than themselves in clothes that look unfamiliar. This is racism rather than hatred of a religion.

Unfortunately though, the threat of terrorism is real and the muslim community has done little to isolate or condemn the killers, or even acknowledge the existence of a problem. This is not helping matters. Nor is the constant self pitying whining about being picked on. Other minorities are not supporting terror attacks on the country in which they live, yet are also subjected to racism. It is racism that is the problem, not any hatred of islam

This article is well meaning in portraying the members of the muslim community in a positive light. That's fine as far as it goes, but I would be interested to hear what they all think about a number of issues. For example,

Will they unequivacally condemn islamist terror attacks - no, buts, ifs or maybes'?

Are the authorities at the mosque willing to state with complete confidence that no extremist literature is being distributed on the premises?

Do they want to see sharia law imposed in Britian?

Do they support the right of people, of all religions and none to have equal rights and equal rights for women?

Have they any respect or regard for the beliefs of others (not just second class status for the "people of the book")?

Are they willing to acknowledge the deep seated prejudices many muslims have against the rest of us and work towards ending them?

As far as the woman who has converted is concerned - I hope she finds comfort in her faith, but she is in for a big surprise if she ever decides to change her mind.

As a prized convert she will be treated with kid gloves. If she becomes apostate she will quickly find herself

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My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 12/11/2007 13:04:33

I think instead they should close down all the airports. This seems to be at the centre of most terrorism threats.

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Logie Almond,

12/11/2007 13:44:25

Unfortunately it is mainstream Muslim doctrine that an apostate - someone who renounces their Muslim faith - should be killed. This is enshrined in law in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim countries. It is a pity that this rather ineffective investigative journalist did not press any of her interviewees on this point.

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12/11/2007 13:58:23
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Raoul Duke,

12/11/2007 15:04:03

#5 Puzzler - Your comment is too long. Its a 'comments' section, not a 'bore us all to tears' one.

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frannylee,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 15:31:53

#8 Maybe it's a bit long winded but all the questions he/she asks have to be answered by the Moslem community and if they won't answer them then why not?

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mnky,

12/11/2007 15:33:41

puzzler - Muslims aren't performing monkeys.

They shouldn't have to put up with folk demanding that they prove how moderate they are.

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Ron D,

Enybru 12/11/2007 16:18:23

Said the fox to the gingerbread man, "I don't want to eat you. I'm your friend."

They would say that there's no "extremist" literature since few of them consider it extreme. Since few of us speak Arabic we'll just have to take their word for what's preached at Friday prayers - why would they lie? (look up "Al-taqiyya") Maybe you should have garnered the opinions of some of the many minibus-loads of freshly imported, heavily bearded, camouflage-wearing young men that seem to come and go from the many smaller mosques.

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 16:18:38

I am not quite sure how Kimberly (25) managed to become a trained opera singer and give it all up for Islam 8 years ago - at the age of 17/18 presumably. Maybe it's just the usual poor standard of reporting.

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I'm no really here,

12/11/2007 16:22:41

Ah well, seems we were all wrong. The EEN better get on the phone to N0.10 and The White House - Muslims and Islam are peace loving and are ready to co-exist with everyone.

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leith keely,

sunny leith. 12/11/2007 17:21:51

#13, i worked in saudi arabia in the late 90s, prior to arrival there my saudi arabian employers warned us "infidels" that being in possession of any non- muslim literature ie bibles, christian texts, prayer books was punishable by flogging and/or a lengthy prison sentence and we were also reminded that saudi prisons are no too cosy to say the least, peace loving and ready to co-exist with everyone, eye right pal

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Brad,

Glasgow 12/11/2007 17:44:31

#9, "have to be answered by the Moslem community". That's typical... they're all the same, not like us, we're individuals (who speaks for you?) but "those Muslims"...

#14, Saudi Arabia isn't the entirety of Islam. I wouldn't say Islamic countries were bastions of free speech and tolerance (some not too bad, none great) but there's plenty here would like us to be less lenient. And plenty "Christian"/Western countries who aren't.

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alex patersons English teacher,

12/11/2007 17:49:25

14.
Thats islamic law for you,an aye for an aye,thats what we get.

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chump,

12/11/2007 17:55:26

#5 Islam is a fundamentally intolerant faith that has destroyed everything in its path, wherever it has become dominant. It is a dangerous death cult.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but Christianity has been just as destructive in the past.

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 18:20:34

#13 I'm no really here

Except in Saudi Arabia where Christians are not allowed to practice their religion publicly or even think about explaining their religion with a view to coverting a Muslim to it.

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open-minded comments from an open-minded guy,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 19:05:17

Why is Saudi Arabia all of a sudden deemed to represent all Muslims? Saudis make up 24 million out of over 1.6 billion muslims wordwide. I've met a lot of muslims from all over the world and have found them to be among the nicest people I've met.

I went to the Mosque in August and found them to be very welcoming and were able to answer my questions in a frank and honest manner. I, for one, am looking forward to going again and would definately recommend people to visit the Mosque and take the opportunity to ask real Muslims what Islam is really about, beyond the usual tripe found in the tabloids. Also the Mosque Kitchen nearby provide delicious dishes at excellent value.

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JIM IN USA,

12/11/2007 19:26:25

Nut cases every last one of the religious freaks.

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 12/11/2007 19:34:05

#20 Open minded

I'm sure the people at the mosque are perfectly nice people and I agree, the kitchen at the back is great value. But remember to ask about the number of Christian/Hindu/Buddhist places of worship allowed across the Middle East. About their attitude to apostates. About the killing of Christians in Pakistan. About the minority in Darfur. About the religions attitude to gay and women's rights. It's a problem the religion has and, by extension, a great number of its adherants.

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Silence of the Yams,

12/11/2007 19:34:56

If she walks around wearing the veil, advertising her religion...

By the way love, it doesnt say in the Koran that woman must wear the veil.

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12/11/2007 19:41:03
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Paula,

12/11/2007 20:15:31

#25 Well said.

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Ned,

12/11/2007 21:42:38

#25
Good comment.

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Taras Shevchenko,

13/11/2007 01:54:23

The fact that the numbnuts post at #1 hasn't been deleted just shows that nobody gives that kind ofthinking (joking or not) any credence whatsoever! I think the UK strike a decent balance compared to most other countries when it comes to human rights and trying to include other faiths and cultures - look at London, its nearly as much of a melting pot as New York, not quite but not far off.

I'm not religious myself, but one thing I would change is at primary school level I would educate the kids on ALL major religions. For example - who knew already that Sikhs don't have one god, they have 13 gurus? Its all about tolerance and acceptance within the UK based culture and legal system.

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imran tiger,

edinburgh 13/11/2007 05:17:26

everybody should convert to islam...its a very good religion.

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Nitwyt,

13/11/2007 09:46:18

it is not the religion but the fundimentalists within the religious groups that cause the problems.
religious beliefs are guides not guards.
intolerance is the enemy no matter what faith, if any, it tries to use as justification.

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Taras Shevchenko,

13/11/2007 11:21:09

#31 v true

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stargazer,

Edinburgh 13/11/2007 11:21:45

Wow. Most of the comments on this are so small-minded and I can't actually believe what I'm reading.

Get a grip everyone. It's about time an article like this was written in defence of all the tripe that gets written about extremism and the supposed terror threat.

When the story about extremist literature in the Edinburgh mosque came out I was absolutely outraged at the way it was handled by the media. It was totally 'us and them'. It was a disgrace. That mosque does so much to work with the WHOLE community in it's area and that's the treatment it gets when something goes wrong.

Open your eyes you ignorant idiots.

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TREV,

Poland 13/11/2007 12:06:23

Hmmm, Puzzler... would you also demand every Protestant church in Scotland and Britain state the same about links to UVF etc? Or every Catholic church the same about IRA?

#25, funny... I recall a lot of terrorist attacks on Britain being carried out by "christians". and wasn't Timothy McVeigh (of Oklahoma bombing infame) granted confession (not a Muslim thing)?

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zaity,

17/11/2008 14:41:57
#23 Which "Koran" you're refering to? Translation of the Quran 24.30 and 24.31:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss."


 

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