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Published Date:
30 May 2007
BUS and lorry drivers will risk losing their licence as soon as they are caught using a mobile phone at the wheel as part of a new crackdown.
Their licence could be suspended for up to three months under a new system which will see them reported by police to the Traffic Commissioner for Scotland.

The commissioner, who licenses the operators of heavy goods vehicles and buses, has the po
wer to punish them on top of the £60 fine and three penalty points they would automatically receive.

Police chiefs today welcomed the move as another weapon in their battle to stop drivers using mobile phones.

But transport union leaders today condemned the measure as "unfair" for imposing a "double punishment" on the drivers of large vehicles.

A trucker who ploughed through roadworks near Edinburgh Airport while talking on his phone was one of the drivers caught in a crackdown in February.

The new system, which will be enforced across Scotland, is already in effect in England and Wales, where a number of professional drivers have been given suspensions of up to four weeks.

Lothian and Borders Police expects to begin using the new powers within two weeks.

Inspector Raymond Devlin, of the force's road policing branch, said: "Bus and lorry drivers have a great deal of responsibility for the safety of themselves and others. Using a mobile phone in such a vehicle should be considered an aggravation of the offence.

"The threat of losing their licence for a month is another way of getting our message across."

Neil Greig, head of policy in Scotland for the Institute of Advanced Motorists Motoring Trust, said: "This is a welcome move. Drivers in charge of large vehicles have the potential to cause huge and very destructive accidents.

"It also highlights the fact that we need employers to crack down as well. If they are losing a bus or lorry driver for a month, that could be very punitive."

But Tony Trench, Edinburgh regional officer for the Transport and General Workers' Union (T&G), said he was concerned the powers were discriminatory. He added: "The majority of our members would be unperturbed by this because they abide by the law.

But we do feel that it's a bit unfair to punish lorry drivers twice."

Professional drivers reported by the police could face an appearance before the traffic commissioner for a special hearing. The punishments will be decided on a "case by case basis", while suspensions can last from as little as ten days up to three months.

A total of 19 vocational drivers elsewhere in Scotland have been hit with bans under the scheme.

Joan Aitken, Traffic Commissioner for Scotland, said the measures were proving a "highly effective deterrent".

She added: "Employers have indicated that the risk of an appearance before a traffic commissioner deters drivers from taking the risk.

"I regard the use of mobile phones whilst driving by professional drivers as extremely serious, not least because there have been instances where people have been killed as a result this kind of behaviour."



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  • Last Updated: 30 May 2007 10:51 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mobile phone driving ban
 
1

Paul Voltaire,

30/05/2007 11:49:07

That will keep the polis occupied even more while all the burglars, vandals, rapists and muggers roam unchecked.

2

The Facts,

30/05/2007 11:55:20

Not a hope of a prosecution

3

Marie Antoinette,

30/05/2007 12:06:07

I could keep the polis busy all on my own.

4

Cynicaltalk,

E Lothian 30/05/2007 12:14:01

It should apply to ALL drivers.

I still see numpties on a regular basis who drive around with a mobile clamped to their lug.

5

Paul Voltaïre,

30/05/2007 12:17:25

If its clamped to their lug, doesn't that count as "hands free"???

6

ChrisA,

Pennycook 30/05/2007 12:43:14

Now all we have to do is persuade the villains to drive and use mobiles then they will actually get punished. I wonder though, does the new rule apply to police drivers as they are professional drivers (or is that just a silly question after the recent figures on police speeding charges?)

7

alex paterson,

embra 30/05/2007 12:54:10

#5 Paul technically,But the polis still insist that if your engine is running even in a lay-by you can get 3 points and a fine.

8

Sally Fairweather,

30/05/2007 12:57:53

4. Totally agree. Life ban for using mobile with engine running. Period. Doubtless the selfish-git whingers will whine. But if they risk other people's lives for their own convenience, they should have the privilege of a license withdrawn permanently.

9

Ichabod,

30/05/2007 13:13:52

1. Paul Voltaire

Would you be happy for the police to chase the muggers rapists etc and ignore dangerous motorists?
Are you saying it is alright for a driver, of any vehicle to kill and maim but not rob or mugg?

10

steve55,

30/05/2007 13:43:44

a £1000 fine would do the trick

11

Paul Voltaïre,

30/05/2007 13:47:03

9. Ichabod
It makes no difference what makes me happy.
I am a miserable b@$t@rd.
I like being chased though.

12

One-man-bucket's older twin,

30/05/2007 16:24:13

Are there any accident statistics from those far-off days when every lorry-driver had a (usually hand-held) CB radio?

And can anyone explain why you're still breaking the law if your engine's running but you're parked with the handbrake on?

13

Grumpy,

30/05/2007 16:42:58

They should target white van man too - they're bigger culprits than bus drivers.

14

Appalling Voltaire,

30/05/2007 16:55:32

14.
Don't you believe it, I've had some bus drivers in my time I can tell you.

They're not as strong since they introduced power steering mind you.

15

BusOff,

30/05/2007 17:13:34

BAN THE LOT OF THEM!!!!!!

Last week a huge dumper truck came round the bend on the notorious A72 near Neidpath Castle, he was trying to steer his vehicle with one hand whilst talking on his mobile. The truck was way over the central line and missed my car by inches. God only knows what would have happened had I been a few seconds earlier.

Why oh Why did I not report him!!!!

16

PC McGarry#452,

999 Letsby Avenue 30/05/2007 17:45:28

The Police are not immune from using mobile phones (you will NEVER catch an on-duty officer using their phone while driving anyway) but ARE immune from using their official Police radios whilst driving. Don't ask me why just accept it and move on.

17

Douglas,

Bathgate 30/05/2007 18:55:19

#8 Sally: Could I just add that parking on a double yellow line deserves a good kicking and Greenway abusers should be flayed.
Can you wipe that wee fleck of spittle from the corner of your mouth?

18

Miss Jean Brodie,

30/05/2007 21:40:52

peter bogdanavich’s ‘TARGETS’ had the right idea

19

Sarcasm,

30/05/2007 21:43:36

8.
"Life ban for using mobile with engine running. Period."

I'm now understanding the rational behind some of your posts.

20

Keke,

Aberdeenshire 31/05/2007 08:28:29

Fair enough, but make it the same for all drivers, don't single out sectors of the community for harsher punishment. Also, include eating and smoking while driving .... the next person to flick a lit fag-end or ash out of their car window so it hits me when I'm following them on the motorbike is going to lose a lot more than a ruddy licence.

21

Statsman,

31/05/2007 10:00:00

This world is getting PC and silly. Of course truckers shouldn't be using their phones. They should be fined and given points like anyone else.

Denying them their livelihood is going too far.

If this was a safety issue, wouldn't it be sensible to make all driver's cabs contain a hands free system?

Who put the muesli eating bed wetters in control?

22

ward,

habana 31/05/2007 10:55:16

Taken away their livelyhood will just turn them into terrorists......

23

SILENCE,

Peebles 31/05/2007 13:34:01

This method of punishment is just one of a number of ways in which the drivers of large vehicles, such as lorries and buses could be punished for using a mobile whilst driving. It should also be noted however, that should any of them cause an accident or be involved in an accident at the time they were using a mobile, which causes damage to property or serious injury or loss of live, then other forms of punishment could also be attached. An example of this being the case for the motorist of a large goods vehicle who was proved to have been using his phone whilst driving on a busy motorway recently and who ploughed into the back of a motorist who was stopped in a queuing traffic. (As recently shown on television) As a result of the motorists death, the driver of the lorry was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and as such was given a prison sentence. No doubt he also lost his licence. And quite rightly too. I wonder how he would have felt if he was the one who had to go to the parents and/or relatives and tell them about the circumstances in which their daughter was killed.

The idea of 3 points and £60 should be enough of a preventative measure for motorists and hopefully the additon of losing their licence should be seen as an extra preventative measure for so called 'professional drivers'.

#1 - There are specialised officers who deal with offences occuring on the road, l which allows other officers to deal with other crimes. The fact that other crimes take place has got NOTHING to do with this new police power.


 

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