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Meadowbank protesters say battle over but not the war



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Published Date: 14 March 2008
CAMPAIGNERS fighting to save Meadowbank Stadium today remained defiant after councillors voted to bulldoze the centre and sell off a third of the land for housing.
The decision, which was reached last night following a lengthy meeting, means a new complex will be built on the remainder of the site for around £25 million, with the loss of the velodrome.

Campaigners are now planning their next move, and insisted "we lost the battle, but not the war".

Council officials are to produce a fully-costed plan for the future of Meadowbank by October.

It will be months before detailed proposals for the site are drawn up, and it is thought any inquiry into the council's decision would come after the lengthy planning process.

A major sticking point will be deciding what facilities to incorporate, with officials recommending a minimum of sports halls, changing facilities, a gym and fitness studio, indoor athletics and a 5000-seat stadium.

But no mention has so far been made of replacing the popular football pitches, which are regularly booked up within minutes of becoming available.

There will also be calls for martial arts and gymnastics provision, while Commonwealth Games medal winner Chris Black has warned that throwing sports, such as the hammer, could disappear.

Allister Watson, a director of Scottish Cycling, said losing the Meadowbank velodrome could "kill" track cycling in Edinburgh, although the council has promised to identify a replacement training facility.

Olympic cycling champion Chris Hoy said: "It's terrible news for cycling. All the time and effort that's been spent, over 40 years, promoting kids' and grassroots cycling in the east of Scotland will be lost."

Yesterday, local Lib Dem councillor Gary Peacock defied his own party to support the three Green politicians, who wanted to refurbish the existing facilities.

But the ruling Lib Dem/SNP administration won with the support of the Conservatives, after agreeing to minor concessions such as investigating the possibility of private sector funds.

Veteran athletics coach Bill Walker, a leading figure in the Save Meadowbank Campaign, said today: "This is a big disappointment. We aren't even getting the same facilities that we've got now. Campaigners will be meeting next Monday. We've lost the battle, but not the war."

Fellow campaigner Kevin Connor said:

"The current facilities are hugely popular and need to be increased to cater for demand. But instead the council has decided to reduce capacity."

Labour councillors also said the overall level of sports provision in the Capital could drop under the plans. The group's sport and culture spokesman Paul Godzik said: "Much more detail is needed, because we have real concerns."

The Tories, who until now have backed original proposals for new facilities at Sighthill, said around £1m of taxpayers' money has been wasted amid the uncertainty.

Administration councillors said they had originally hoped to refurbish the existing stadium, but the £42.7m costs rendered this "unrealistic".

SNP councillor Deidre Brock, the city's sports leader, said: "We have retained facilities at Meadowbank. We as a council must consider what makes the best financial and long-term option, which will maximise potential for residents and visitors."


The full article contains 529 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 March 2008 3:12 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Meadowbank , Edinburgh Council
 
1

eric,

Lothian 14/03/2008 12:10:53
Scotstoun Is a fantastic track ,
2

Bob 2,

14/03/2008 12:12:41
Sold Out to the Private Sector

More of Edinburghs Silverware sold off

yip we've got the Commonwealth Games and the Olympics coming up.

Edinburghs Support to our Athletes - close and demolish Meadowbank
3

Randan,

14/03/2008 12:15:41
Chris is right - it is a disgrace. But I would burn councillors expense claims rather than his Commonwealth memorabilia.
4

Bob 2,

14/03/2008 12:23:45
Labour councillors said the overall level of sports provision in the Capital could drop under the plans.

? whose plans were these in the 1st Place

? who failed to maintain/invest in Meadowbank Stadium for the last 30 odd years.

answer on a postcard.
5

Robert,

Kirriemuir 14/03/2008 12:28:16
I wonder what it is in human nature that collectively we elect those to represent us who suffer from intellectual myopia? What a wonderful stadium, and one that all residents of Edinburgh were proud of as indeed other Scots too yet some dumb-dumbs from the 'Serves No Purpose' party with a few hangers-on who are seeking to discredit it make such a foolish decision. One almost smells the odour of corruption behind this move.
6

Epicuras,

14/03/2008 12:38:15
OK if this is the best option let them do it - but not have access to the funds from the sale. There's been far too much flooging off assets belonging to the people of Edinburgh for dodgy proposals connected with the private sector and the obvious brown envelopes that go with them. It's long overdue Audit Scotland did a full investigation into the antics of councillors and senior officials
7

PaulB,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:39:52
Oh good - more 'luxury housing' a smaller stadium with fewer facilities, and no new stadium at Sighthill either. What a joke this council is!
8

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 14/03/2008 12:40:42
We live in a country where half the children are obese, but lets sell off the sports centre for more housing.
And the Velodrome is the only one in the east of Scotland.
9

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 12:48:43
Its a sad day. The French had the right idea. Off with their heads.
10

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:58:44
It looks like there will not be the outside all weather football pitches under this scheme either.

But don't worry the local Scotmids have "buy one get one free" on coke and crisps.

Sales to property developers worth more than investment in people's health.
11

Stone of Destiny,

14/03/2008 13:05:36
Meadowbank athletic stadium & velodrome have done Edinburgh and Scotland well for the last 28years, but to be honest they are the ugliest/worst stadiums/velodromes I've ever seen/rode on (to be honest they are an embarassment). A statue & plaque will do to remember them, and remember a NEW stadium will be built & hopefully a new velodrome.
12

Al Berkid,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:13:31
Wasted opportunity to have an indoor arena there to hold 5k+ which edinburgh sadly lacks??
13

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 13:28:38
11 The whole point is that its SIZE was worthy of a sporting facility for a capital city and refurbishment of such could have been a good investment for the future. Will there be an Olympic size track etc in the new one ?
14

toby,

Edinburgh EH7 4LJ 14/03/2008 13:51:40
If there's money to be made to pay the councillors their expenses, to hell with the public facilities.
We're in a different league nowadays. The salaries, expenses, bonuses and golden handshakes take precedent.
15

heidbanger,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:59:37
What is now wrong with Meadowbank can be summed up in one phrase:

..................."Forty years of neglect"

Before they rip up the corrent structure I hope they have in place both financially robust plans (and for a council, that will be a first!)to both finance the new biulding and its maintainance
16

roberto,

14/03/2008 14:04:45
meadowbank in it's current state is a disgrace

how anyone can argue it shouldn't be bulldozed down to the ground is beyond me-even the athletes who use it every day will welcome the new track
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 14:16:14
16 you just dont understand anything beyond knee jerk level do you ? how did it get in this state ? who allowed it to get inthis state ? Why did they allow it to get in this state ?
18

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:27:16
#15 - not "forty years of neglect". Forty years of hard public use and growing old.

#17 - No-one "let it get into this state". It got old and out of date. Just like old buildings do.

19

roberto,

14/03/2008 14:27:39
#17 i noticed you didn't disagree with me saying it's a disgrace

we could argue all day on who's fault it is but the fact is the people of edinburgh deserve way better and a crumbling old stadium and sports hall just ain't it

we also to have face facts that a 5,000 stadium is just about right

im 31 now and been using meadowbank reguarly since i was about 10-and i knew even then it was a dump

5 years time from now we'll have an athletics stadium and sports facilties to be proud of-with benefits for evreyone

20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 14:30:20
18 and 19 - i take you both live in a house. Now , if you dont decorate or clean your house for 40 years it will be a bit manky.

Do you clean it , mantain it or just move house when it's clarty ? Do you buy new clothes when your other ones are dirty or do you wash them ?

FFS.
Etc.
21

Tuppenceworth,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:30:55
The council are offering substantially less facilities than what is currently there already and to make matters worse they then allow hundreds of flats to be built next door to it.
So logic dictates that there will be over a thousand new local residents living next door to a sports centre that is already extremely busy.
What chance of my kids getting involved with a new sport then?
Once again they boil it all down to money and purse strings and appear blind to the bigger picture.
This has been land designated for leisure in a prime central site for a hundred years and to sell any of it criminal.
We should not give up on this, it has far reaching implications for health, crime and the future sporting potential of our kids.
22

Top Floor,

14/03/2008 14:31:10

So we're going to get fewer / smaller facilities at Meadowbank and nothing new on the west side of the city ?

How is this progress ?

Perhaps SNP / Lib Dem candidates should bear this in mind before they go jumping on bandwagons in future.


23

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:41:02
#20 - Meadowbank was properly maintained but all the maintenance in the world will not stop a building - particularly a specialist facility like a sports stadium - from becoming old, out of date and past its best.

Sooner or later a buildings needs to be replaced. Applies to old hospitals, applies to old schools, applies to old leisure facilities.

Looking for political scapegoats to blame will not turn the clock back.
24

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 14:43:09
23 youre not making any sense. I believe Jenners and many other hops are still functioning and those buildings are over 100 years old.

The bricks and mortar , the structures are all sound at meadowbank.

HOWEVER , the horse has gone there no point in shutting the stable door now..

have a good weekend, but youre takling mince.
25

roberto,

14/03/2008 14:44:26
#20

i agree with you mate but you've more chance of getting this council(or anyone for that matter) to take the blame than pigs flying


incidentally my house is manky already and i've only been here 4 years
26

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 14:48:02
25 get a wife :)
27

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:58:48
#24 - you're not comparing like with like. Jenners is not a sports stadium. The basics at Meadowbank may well be sound - no-one is suggesting that the stadium is about to fall down - but the facilities are out of date and in some cases out of spec from what is required for top level sport.

I'll be having a good weekend safe in the knowledge as to where the mince is being talked. If an icon like the old Wembley can be demolished because it is past its sell-by date, and if the old Hampden can be demolished because it had become a slum, so can Meadowbank which though serviceable enough was never more than a basic, functional facility even in its heyday.

The 60s were fine but you don't see too many Ford Anglias still on the road. Nostalgia - it's just a thing of the past.

What you want to ask yourself, incidentally, is why the Lib Dems and SNP who were pre-election so quick to hop onto the "Save Meadowbank" bandwagon have now done a u-turn. And you can't keep blaming the previous Council for the decisions which they are taking now.
28

heatherp,

Happy Glen 14/03/2008 15:01:39
Roberto you mis construe the Save Meadowbank Campaign (SMC). We recognise that Meadowbank is a crumbling facility and not up to todays standards, however, it is fully functional, multi purpose and over subscribed. SMC has always campaigned against the selling of any land to fund refurbishment. WE have worked with the council all this year despite their flagrant disregard for due process and refusla to engage with our proposals. What is clear is that the council is not interested in consumer views, wnats to reduce facilities, does not understand joined up thinking and is no different to the previous council. Oh except that they still sell the land, reduce facilities but don;t even have any vision. Labour had vision but no sense. This plan is exactly the same plan that Labour produced except that there is no Sighthill monstrosity.

We want decent facilities, fit for purpose for a city like Edinburgh, but realistic and cost effective. Something to be proud of, somewhere that the people of Edinburgh and particularly the youth of the city and the region can fulfill their potential.
This council is walking right through democracy and will eventually pay the price at the next ballot box.
I will continue to fight to reatin the whole Meadowbank site with upgraded facilities.
29

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

14/03/2008 15:06:43
Then my best wishes and good luck to you heatherp.

27 I've met your sort before who are only interested in winning an argument and cannot admit they are wrong.

Beat it.
30

roberto,

14/03/2008 15:08:46
#28

thanks for giving an ignorant idiot like me more info and facts about the campaign

i have signed the petition and there's nothing i'd love more than you to win

i just think they have their minds made up and as if they ever do what we want-just my opinion

though they are also an upredicable bunch so who knows
31

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 15:50:07
#29 - I have met your sort before, totally fixed point of view, obsessed with the sound of your own voice and unable to accept that there may be more than one way of looking at an issue. Your argument here seems to consist entirely of "it's right because I say it's right". Intolerant and inflexible.

Why should I beat it? You don't own this thread, do you? It is not only open to those who agree with you so far as I am aware.
32

sportsnotflats/truthnotlies,

willowbrae 14/03/2008 17:21:46
And they wonder why so few people bother voting?!Should those politicians who made all the false promises ("100% behind the SMC")about Meadowbank while in oppostion not now be charged with fraud or perjury? After all Tommy Sheridan has 14 police officers on his ("perjury")case and all the time he was in politics I can only recall him fighting for community facilities, against poverty and for peace and justice!
The current Edinburgh Council, with its blatant disregard for the needs, wishes and aspirations of its constituents, has shown itself in less than a year to be just as disreputable as its predecessor,and will assuredly suffer the same fate come election day.
33

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 14/03/2008 17:58:51
I think most people accept that Meadowbank should be re-built, but not with something a fraction of the size, with NO velodrome etc. The current Velodrome is a disgrace, and is crying out to be replaced with soemthing better. But that should be a covered, 21st century velodrome, not YET MORE FLATS !!
34

AaronL,

Hillside 14/03/2008 18:13:40
The Bill Walker from this article also went to the council on Thursday after reading the officials report to tell them that the new stand proposed simply can't physically fit in where it's being proposed to go. And if you turn it 90% and fit it in that way the cross wind would make the site really unusable for athletes - i.e. they would train elsewhere. So watch out for the council selling off half the land for flats, then blaiming consultants for getting the measurements wrong and selling off the rest because it can't be used anyway.

This administration is digging it's own grave. Welcome to the grey zone where we all live in little houses but there aint much else.
35

AaronL,

Hillside 14/03/2008 18:22:22
#33

As you might know the cyclists managed to get a quote from Ralph Schuerman for an excellant and extensive velodrome for £5m (including tax). The council officials said it couldn't be done for £11.5m. Ralph Schuerman are world renound experts in the field of building velodromes and know far more that anybody at the council does. Officials just have their nose out of joint because they didn't get to build at Sighthill.

It's funny because one year ago the only excuse for selling Meadowbank was RCP and Sighthill. Now those two excuses are washed away they are still intent on doing it. I think they were lying before as to the true reasons as they are lying now. Money, money, money. And they think they can get away with it because they think the public are too stupid to see through their lies. Sooner or later reality is going to catch up with them.
36

Whoppitt,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:45:50
I think that we can all agree that Meadowbank is not aesthetically the sort of place that makes us proud at Edinburghers - mainly due to the lack of investment in maintenance and upgrades since it was built. I think that we can also agree that it is a vitally important facility for the city and the region. It beggars belief, but is no surprise that this proposal is to downgrade the facilities. Nowhere else that I have lived (and I have lived on all the continents and a few islands around the world) would even entertain such a course of action - they would be out of a job at the next election. This is not an arguement about old versus new. Don't forget the heart of most British cities was ripped out in the name of modernity. They even seriously considered building a motorway in both Princes Street and Queen's Street gardens!

The fundemental issue is why our elected servants continually ride roughshod over the will of the electorate. I believe that this failure of democracy it is due to a basic lack of accountability and a conflict of interest at all levels of governance. We have no way to change how we are governed and no way to hold individual representatives to account for individual policies. The budget for Edinburgh in 2008 is £1bn. The council can't find the money (£43M for a full refurbishment of Meadowbank) to provide up-to date sporting facilities without selling off a third of the site. Let's not forget that they found £45m to build their new funky dunky headquarters at Waverley.

The conflict of interest is that the council will generate over £1,000 of council tax per Band C or D property - every year. Add that to the reduced cost of maintenance of a smaller facility, the cash from flogging off the land to developers and indirect benefits of a few thousand additional residents and it is a no-brainer. It is only about the money. If it was about providing sporting facilities, they would have found a way to get the money. Emirates Airline
37

Whoppitt,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:46:51
Emirates Airlines paid £100m to Arsenal - can we not find someone who will pay a few quid to brand Meadowbank. What about the Stagecoach stadium? Come on Brian, get out the cheque book!

The time has come to change the way that we are governed. The Council should be broken up into 3 seperate bodies. One to run the development of the city (incuding the planning process), one to provide municipal services and one to run social services. We should know exactly how much is going to be spent on each, and be able to vote on individual tax levies as they do in the USA. Add to that directly elected heads of departments and we have a chance of getting a city that future generations can be as proud of as I am of the city we inherited from previous generations. We need to find a way to dump the petty party politics in the council. The future of our city depends on it.

To the barricades!
38

Top Floor,

14/03/2008 18:54:25
#35 Aaron

Is your quote for an indoor or outdoor velodrome ?
39

micky,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:58:51
Kenny Mcaskill said at the meeting the other night there is no pot of gold, but perhaps he was wrong ! Edinburgh Council do seem to have a pot of gold but its not for the electorate, its for HUGE tv screens, street parties, black holes like the usher hall,TRAMS,expenses,junkets,etc
We need to prioritise & make a decision on whether or not we (or they) think sport etc is important for the many benefits it brings. It may always have a cost but is it a cost worth paying ?
The greens think yes, the Libs & SNP said they did before the election but they dont now, sadly for me my (limited) trust in politicians has now been completely eroded but the fight goes on !!!!
Well done to Gary Peacock, he deserves kudos for standing up for his electorate, I wish more had done the same.
40

EdinaMan,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 19:46:46
SMC has only itself to blame for the outcome of the Council vote.

It acted unbelievably niavely - for example, allowing the Council to parachute its man into a so-called independent working group and then engaging in endless working groups with no fixed objective - the Council played it for a patsy.

The only occassions it made any progress was when it took the fight to the COuncil. Latterly it took to doing the COuncil officials and COuncillors jobs for them instead of exposing them as the bunglers and MAchevellian liars they are.

The only hope for Meadowbank now is either the Ombudsman to examine the Councils behaviour &/ or the Scottish Government to call the issue in.

Its a shame. Another wasted opportunity to develop a great sporting facility and give bureaucracy a bloody nose because campaigners have some idiotic notion of decency in politics and won;t play as dirty as Council officials.
41

Beachcomber,

CAPITAL 14/03/2008 20:58:36
I should very much like to know the names of all the Cllrs. who voted against saving Meadowbank Stadium?

With the Portobello's Powerleague site also in the
pipeline to be turned into boxes oops flats! - a big thank you to LIEBOUR/SNP/FIB DEMS/JACANORYS for selling off the family silver in East Edinburgh - MORONS...
42

Top Floor,

14/03/2008 22:24:07
#40

How and why would the Scottish Govt "call the issue in" exactly ?
43

Paul Voltiare,

14/03/2008 23:54:10
#13 the Genuine Mary and TonyAnnette - Who cares ? If you want an Olympic size track, away and build one yourself in your own brain - there's enough space, empty head.
44

CyclingEdinburgh,

14/03/2008 23:55:30
http://cyclingedinburgh.info/2008/03/14/serious-loss
45

Paul Voltiare,

14/03/2008 23:57:04
#20 - the Genuine Mary an TonyAnnette -what are you blethering on about now ?, twerp.
46

EdinaMan,

15/03/2008 10:23:08
#42 - The Council have claimed that they have consulted users and the community when they have done nothing of the sort - this was admitted by Ewen Aitken at a public meeting.
There is also the issue of how they are raising and using public money - there are clear guidelines for local authorities about selling public assets.
The Council have voted on the issue without undertaking any surveys on the environmental effects on the aera - e.g. traffic, run-off (sewage).
There are a whole other raft of issues but basically the Council is doing everything back to front i.e. it has voted on am option that hasn;t had a feasability study carried out on it. One of the good things SMC did was to ascertain that the Council couldn;t even prove it owned the land for the first (labour) plan. I don;t know if it ever did - that should be an issue for the COuncils internal& external auditors (Audit Scotland) - both of whom have abjured their responsibilties, run away and hidden from the issue as they have for all contentious developments(Caltongate, Portobello Park, Glenogle baths,The Scottish Parliament, etc,etc.)
Is this enough reason...?
47

Reckless,

Nazi connections 15/03/2008 10:24:55
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8795795223394289910&q=bush+nazi&total=1733&start=0&num=20&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
48

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 15/03/2008 10:31:39
Council are channeling spending in relation to tram line to other budget categories to minimise declared spend on trams. These budgets are then funded by this sale of family silver.

THe SNP were forced to rubber stamp the trams, but are making sure buck stops at council.

All parties have played political games with Edinburgh trams line to the detrement of the city.

49

john z,

edinburgh 15/03/2008 14:01:59
It is really hard to believe that Edinburgh council is doing this. It really beggars belief.

I guess the financial case will need very close scrutiny, in light of current trends in the property market..

Will the land sale for more crappy, cheapo, modern flats really yield as much money as predicted, or will a property crash scupper the plans.

Either way, it is obvious that the councillors in Edinburgh no longer see it as part of their mandate to actually represent the people of Edinburgh.

Meadowbank could be world class, if it weren't for the tubes in the council.
50

EdinaMan,

Edina 16/03/2008 12:46:55
#49 - well said John Z. But who WILL look at the financial case - no-one probably. And it would need independent verification as Council officials have lied time and time again. However, I wish the choobs who vote for these councillors could see that they don;t represent the interest of the voters ...

 

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