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Published Date: 07 December 2006
THE newly defunct Mars Global Surveyor has delivered a stunning farewell gift to scientists studying the planet - crystal clear images of surface changes that point to the recent presence of flowing water.
The photographs provide the strongest evidence yet that liquid water, essential for sustaining life, exists on the barren landscape of the 4.5 billion-year-old planet. Until now, only ice had been discovered in remote polar regions, suggesting the presence of water long ago.

Experts hailed the discovery as the "holy grail" of Mars exploration. "You've heard of a smoking gun; this is what we call a squirting gun," said Professor Ken Edgett, head of a team of scientists at the California-based Malin Space Science Systems laboratory that operated the spacecraft's high-resolution camera.

"We saw there was evidence of water billions of years ago, creating channels and things like that. Today we're talking about water that exists on Mars right now. No-one expected what we have today."

The images are among the last of more than 240,000 captured by the orbiting surveyor, which spent seven years photographing the surface of Mars from low altitude before ceasing transmission last month. NASA believes the craft had reached the end of its operational life.

Dr Edgett and colleagues from the San Diego laboratory compared recent images of thousands of gullies and craters with those taken several years ago.

During their analysis of the images taken of two gullies in 2004 and 2005, they found bright, light-coloured deposits on the crater walls that were not present in the original photographs from 1999 and 2001. The deposits, possibly mud, salt or frost, were left by water cascading through, the scientists believe.

"This is material that flowed down the slope as it encountered different obstacles," Dr Edgett said.

"People have been asking for six years what could flow through these gullies and the consensus is liquid water."

The photographs also provided evidence of at least 20 newly formed, football stadium-sized craters, probably caused by meteorites or other space debris striking Mars at speeds of 5km per second.

The findings were announced at a NASA briefing in Washington yesterday.

The timing is significant because it comes one day after NASA's announcement of plans to build a permanent base on the Moon, which would be a crucial staging post for a proposed manned mission to Mars within the next three decades.

Yet not all experts are convinced that the surface changes indicate water. Oded Aharonson, a professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology, called the interpretation "compelling", but said the deposits could also have been left there by a flow of dust.

Dr Edgett said that was unlikely. "These regions are far away from any dust flow," he said. "When we disrupt dust on the surface of Mars, that surface usually darkens. These [deposits] are brighter."

The latest photographs add to previous clues that the Global Surveyor has provided about the existence of moisture on Mars. Its mineral-mapping infrared spectrometer found concentrations of a mineral that often forms under wet conditions, fine-grained hematite. This discovery led to selection of a hematite-rich region as the landing site for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity, which has been exploring the surface since January 2004.

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  • Last Updated: 07 December 2006 10:57 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mars exploration
 
1

Repton,

edinburgh 07/12/2006 05:59:33

Life on Mars?

2

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 06:07:35

This will upset the religious masses of the world! Dont remember the bible mentioning life on Mars.....

3

Bill Monroe,

Virginia, U.S.A. 07/12/2006 06:37:03

Since the scientists do not agree as to the significance of this discovery, I feel the media is once again leaping out ahead of the facts.

4

Frank Miller,

California, USA 07/12/2006 06:41:22

Life on mars? I am not sure if you are aware but the placement of mars in our solar system hasn't changed significantly in billions of years; and even back then it could not support human existence. Microbial existence yes but never human; the extreme cold temperatures due to mars placement away from the sun has always made it an inhospitable dwelling place. Science proves GOD everyday; ever heard of the big bang theory? Well GOD spoke and nothing became everything in a blink of an eye; that would be a big bang, just like the way scientists theorize. Get your facts straight before posting - it proves there is not much intelligent life on earth after all.

5

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 06:50:32

Bill Monroe #3: I am not leaping ahead of the facts...I said that I do not remember the bible mentioning life on Mars!

Now, since there is no hard evidence to suggest that there was life on Mars not much has changed. However,the knowlege that water existed or may still exist means that inevitably we will find it.

300 years ago the world was a big place, but with advanced technology she has become tiny! The universe is a big place, but 500 years fron now she will be a lot smaller..When we find humans like ourselves out there, and we will...What then?

It is hardly jumping ahead of the facts, it is merely the law of averages being put into practice...

6

donald,

weegieland 07/12/2006 07:18:13

If it does not conform to the Bible belters then it should be nuked.

7

American Hero,

Louisiana 07/12/2006 07:28:40

You british are evil. Why does your newspaper report against the Lord. The Lord is good. No life exsits anywhere than earth. Believe in the Lord.

8

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 07:31:03

#7 hahaha! You nearly had me believing you were serious..hahaha

9

faithless,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 08:41:01

..nice to see Darwinism & evolution theories are alive and kicking in them states of the u s of a...

10

Arthur,

07/12/2006 09:25:56

Media 1 why do you always have to bait the creationist cookies and godfart theorists. I was quite content to let them stick their irrelevent tuppenceworth into what should have been an interesting discussion all by themselves, they would have, and it would have been even funnier.

11

Arthur,

07/12/2006 09:28:31

American hero, Life may very shortly cease on earth as the various believers kill each other and anyone else who refuses to accept the rubbish they believe.
We have to start mass fornication now to counteract their worst excesses.

12

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 09:30:37

Apologies Arthur!

13

Joanna (really),

07/12/2006 09:49:50

The bible doesn't say anything about dinosaurs, or for that matter all the animals that exist now & couldn't fit on one ark. It also doesn't say anything about abortion, incidentally, though it talks quite often about killing infants and pregnant women.

You know, the US evangelicals are after us. Now that Russian atheism has fallen, they are passing out brochures to their members about how Europe is the deepest pit of atheism. I've seen one, talking about how hard it is to be a Christian in Western Europe and how you can't hold office or testify about your faith. The evangelicals are now spending their vast tithes funding fundamentalist political parties and poster campaigns over here. The next time you see anti-choice propoganda, think about where the $$ are coming from.

14

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 09:56:18

#13 just ignore them! They are the new evil...

Evilangelists!

15

Scotty,

07/12/2006 09:59:20

intelligent design is believed by stupid people. Fact.

16

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 10:10:09

#15: Its a bit of stupidity diluted with blindfolded fear

17

secular is best,

07/12/2006 10:21:55

bible bashers grow up. The things your mum and dad told you are not all true, there is no santa, there is no tooth fairy and there is no god.

18

JoeKerr,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 10:25:15

Are all bible people shallow or just mad!!! How can you enter a reasonable argument with something that has never been proven, or at best, is a best selling work of fiction! You people keep believing this rubbish and let the rest of us get on with discovering potential useful stuff. I presume this discovery is "someone working in a mysterious way", find somewhere padded and lock youselves in it!

19

rudeskaboyuk,

edinburgh south suburbs 07/12/2006 10:43:19

Life is life , even if it is only a microbe ! Once life is confirmed (and it will be some day soon ) what then for all the religous lovers with all the cheek and nonsense about little boys being found down wells etc !

20

Arthur,

07/12/2006 10:49:44

Here is one of the faithfull, a nominee for one of the 2006 Darwin awards.
"Faith as a Flotation Device
2006 Darwin Award Nominee
Confirmed True by Darwin
(August 2006, Libreville, Gabon) In August, a congregation's 35-year old pastor insisted one could literally walk on water, if only one had enough faith. Big and bold was his speech. He extolled the heavenly power possessed by a faithful man with such force that he may well have convinced himself.

Whether or not he believed in his heart, his sermons left room for only shame should he leave his own faith untested. Thus, the pastor set out to walk across a major estuary, the path of a 20-minute ferry ride. But the man could not swim.

Lacking the miraculous powers of David Copperfield, let alone holy Jesus Christ, this ill-fated cleric found only a Darwin Award at the end of his final path.

DarwinAwards.com © 1994 - 2006
Reference: Reference: World Net Daily (What is this? Darwin asks), fr.news.yahoo.com "
http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2006-02.html

21

The west awake,

Argyll 07/12/2006 10:52:59

Joanna really 13 - I am an atheist and anti-abortion. You don't have to be a religious nutjob to be so. It is a question far more difficult and complex than that.

22

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 10:56:13

Even if he did walk on water, it would prove nothing other than the fact that the mind is incredibly powerful..

Quantum physics tells us that if we believe with every part of our being that we can walk on water, then we shall walk on water..but that alone has nothing to do with religion!

Even if one was to see a ghost, that does not mean that some god exists or that you are viewing some person from the afterlife! It could just as well be a holographic image from another dimension that you are seeing.. Who knows, our science is still in its infancy!

23

Joanna (really),

07/12/2006 11:10:57

In case any US evangelicals are reading this, Blair is a Christian and he's had no problems getting elected many times. So are the heads of many European states, notably Germany. Your church lies to you.

24

Joanna (really),

07/12/2006 11:21:25

14 Media 1 I will ignore them when the number of Creationists lecturing in University science departments drops to zero. And when the number of politicians who consider god's will as one of their concerns when deciding whether to invade countries drops to zero.

21 west awake -- yes, it is complicated. So are all ethical issues; if it were obvious it wouldn't be hard. But I'm telling you who funds your campaigns. It should tell you something about your stance. Just like the list of nations that still use capital punishment should tell the US something about their opinion of that issue, or the list of nations that won't sign anti-land-mine legislation should tell us.

Sorry this has little to do with Mars. I'm a bit suspicious that they have suddenly found water at the end of their expensive mission. Sadly I'm with the Cal Tech guys who think it's probably blowing dust.

25

The west awake,

Argyll 07/12/2006 11:36:50

24 Joanna - I don't have any "campaigns", my stance is personal and arrived at through life experience and soul searching. Because it is difficult I don't shout about it, even although I believe abortion to be a human tragedy of massive scale.
I respectfully pointed out that your pro-abortion stance, which you raised and thereby promoted, cannot be justified on the basis that to be anti-abortion is the preserve of rabid religious fundamentalists, which your comments inferred.

26

Arthur,

07/12/2006 11:49:45

Oh dear oh Dear, an article about scientific discovery
and the advancement of human knowledge, has once again degenerated into a debate on religion and abortion. Can we for once stick to the topic. This is getting tedious.

27

The west awake,

Argyll 07/12/2006 11:57:44

26 - Tell you what Arthur, we can have a deal, I'll stick to what I want, you stick to what you want. Hows that?
PS - Mailing in these forums is actually not that serious (we're not really going to change the world).

28

Bill, Dunblane,

07/12/2006 11:59:10

Media 1

Good God! We are in total agreement for once.

Tho' you did kinda go off on a tangent on post 22.

Cheers.

29

Neil,

9% Growth Party 07/12/2006 12:08:41

It does not prove that life exists.

What it proves is that the conditions which would allow the existence of miroscopic life currently exist. Thus if life is remotely common in the universe it will exist on Mars.

We should be building a Beagle III (a slightly improved version of the previous one). Almost all the development work has been done so another would be much cheaper. Since it came so close to working all the politicians & ESA apparatchiks have taken over the idea but instead decided they want to spent longer & 10 times as much on their version. This is entirely the wrong approach as NASA have repeatedly proven.

30

Rubbersnap,

07/12/2006 12:15:03

Yup! It's true. Print anything remotely touching on our place in the Universe and the nuts come out of the woodwork. Especially the religious ones.

Of course there's life in the Multiverses. It is arrogant to assume otherwise. The spacefaring races are waiting on us to develop Warp capability. Jeez ... does NOBODY watch Star Trek???

31

Arthur,

07/12/2006 12:35:20

No it isn't that serious, and we won't change much perhaps. But going off topic merely clouds the issue
I wonder what sort of response we would get if we
raised irrelevent matters on a dedicated religious discussion forum.

32

Dave,

Western Isles 07/12/2006 12:49:41

17

What do you mean there's no Santa??? Oh man, and I've been a good boy all year too..........

33

Reiver,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 13:05:52

4. Frank Miller - I have to say that I am glad the majority of bible bashing idiots are in the USA ... I'm also glad that the public schooling system debunked the scientific design crap that is being spouted by your ilk ... open your whatever and get on with the real world - there is no god ... sorry to have to be the one to swipe your mental crutch dude !!!

34

The west awake,

Argyll 07/12/2006 14:00:26

Arthur 31 - I don't know, as I mentioned in an earlier mail, I'm an atheist.
Have a look at all the mails - most are "irrelevant" and off topic, - perhaps the subject matter and time of year?

35

Chuckster,

07/12/2006 14:43:27

#30 Agreed, this forum has as many nuts as a circus.

#2 How did you make a scientific article religious? "God created the heavens and the Earth." I believe that statement includes Mars and anything found upon said planet.

Why are you all so vehement about a non-belief system? It seems weird to me. Many of you are just as avid about atheism as evangelicals are about Christianity.

Now about the actual topic: wow, that's really neat. I don't know why the author didn't include a picture, but here's one. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061206-ma...
It sounds like dreams of colonizing another world are one step closer to reality.

36

Dave,

Western Isles 07/12/2006 15:21:17

Issac Asimov should be hailed as a visionary and also held responsible for putting dreams of extraplanet occupation into the small minds of man and his machines.

And occupying Mars is good because? To strip Earth of further resources and assets to sustain human life on Mars is good why?

37

Arthur,

07/12/2006 15:50:59

Er no Dave not quite, It is however true that further
use of the Earths resources will happen in Mars exploration, if that exploration suggests that terra forming is a future possibility, then mars could become home for humanity if mother earth ever became inviable. It is one solution if the doomsayers worst predictions are right, but we won't know unless we look.

38

Dave,

Western Isles 07/12/2006 15:59:16

Arthur, not quite how? Mars has no oxygen, do you propose an Arnold Swarzeneggaresque style "releasing O2 from the ice caps" or Asimov inspired "bring ice from Saturns rings"?

In the mean time, all resources requird to support human life will come from Earth and the rest is the stuff of fantasies born from the fevered brow of an over indulgent mind that has watched too many films and read too much sci fi. I saw the fat lump from NASA on tv last night, he was light a kid in a sweet shop.

39

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 16:11:21

Dave: Tell me something! Define over indulgent mind..

Are you speaking of minds such as Davinci'c who was some 400 years ahead of his time?

Are you telling us that in 500 years it will still be impossible to sustain life on Mars?

40

Arthur,

07/12/2006 16:12:43

Dave who knows what discoveries and inventions are yet to be made which could well make the fantasies
of fevered brows reality when we are long gone.
Look at the pace of scientific discovery in our lifetime
and conclude that we are now living the science fiction of our childhood.

41

Chuckster,

07/12/2006 16:49:16

Man will never fly.
Man will never reach the moon.
The world is flat.
Earth is the center of the universe.
No machine can take the place of a horse.

Take your pick Dave. The naysayers are usually wrong and the dreamers make the leaps for humanity. Why colonize Mars? Have you ever heard of keeping all your eggs in one basket?

42

AlastairEwen,

Canada 07/12/2006 16:55:31

Dave from the Western Isles: Mars has boundless supplies of oxygen. Problem is it's fixed as part of water molecules. Not too difficult to extract if you have lots of time and money. What I think you meant to say was: the Western Isles have no atmosphere!

43

Neil,

9% Growth Party 07/12/2006 16:56:08

Dave the evidence is overwhelming that Earth satellites have brought more benerit to us than the cost. Weather satellites alone have probably saved more than the entire space programme cost simply by giving advance warning of hurricanes. They have certainly saved thouands of time as many lives as were lost in space.

Did you know that back in olden days (the 1970s) there were many people then who said going into space at all was a waste because they couldn't see these benefits.

I understand Columbus faced similar criticism but wasn't around then.

44

Media 1,

Cape Town 07/12/2006 18:17:35

Velakovsky was right! I wonder what the doubters would say now.

45

Texas Pagan,

Dallas 07/12/2006 19:01:45

Could it be that when we wonder whether god created life on Mars or elsewhere or whether it was an accident, that perhaps we're only really discussing symantics? I think that whether an accident created intelligence or an accidental intelligence caused me to happen is pretty irrelevant. Some quantum theories say you get what you believe, right? I think that possibility sounds rather god-like, too.

So, maybe some of us want something, rather than nothing. I guess I'm sort of ambivalent, so perhaps with luck, I'll simply be surprised.

46

Neil,

9% Growth Party 07/12/2006 19:11:26

They would say he was wrong. That Venus is not something kicked out of Jupiter, that spent a few orbits dropping dinner to Moses & then settled down in a nice circular planetary orbit. The universe is more interesting than anything Velikosky thought of.

47

Echelon_10,

Somewhere dark 07/12/2006 19:41:52

Dave, you do a fine job of illustrating your lack of knowledge on the potentials of man going to Mars. Robbing earth of resources? Hello? What like, coal and Scottish oil? There would no robbing earth of any resources worthy of note, for the simple fact of the physics involved in getting materials up into space. The moon would be used effectively as a base camp. Minimal gravity to escape from. The science exists to take advantage of resources that could be found on Mars, ice or even liquid water under the surface and once man does get there then more thorough exploration can be carried out to determine other useful resources.

There’s nothing fantasy about this Dave, it’s just your brain and vision that’s lacking. Hundreds of years ago you would’ve been the guy that refused to get on a ship in fear of falling off the end of the world. Sorry, let me explain. The earth isn’t flat!

48

Angus Mor,

God's Own Island 07/12/2006 19:46:10

Now now people. Dave is entitled to his say. Lord only knows all of you could be accused of unjustified thoughts and irrationality. Some more than others actually and you know who you are.

49

Echelon_10,

Somewhere dark 07/12/2006 19:50:52

Angus, you’re surely not addressing that comment to me? How very dare you!

Yes, Dave is entitled to his opinion and my humble sincere apoloboggies to you Dave if my comments in anyway offended you.

50

Angus Mor,

God's Own Island 07/12/2006 19:55:39

Echelon

It was a general address but since you stepped into the firing line........................only joking and remember, from what I've seen, he supports many of you in your quest for "topic domination".

Anyway, I saw the pics last night on the news, it was pretty awe inspiring. Have any of you read Asimov's stuff?

51

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 07/12/2006 19:59:52

I can sustain life on a Mars Bar....for at least a couple of hours....few more Milky Ways and that'l see me through till dinner time..burp*...

52

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 07/12/2006 20:00:34

I wonder what sheep dream of?

53

Angus Mor,

God's Own Island 07/12/2006 20:02:12

They count humans!

Sshh noo! Coast on BBC2 is on, its around my Islands tonight!

54

Echelon_10,

Somewhere dark 07/12/2006 20:35:45

Can you suck the chocolate off the fondant Doreen. Sheep dream of a world without Welshman...

55

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 07/12/2006 22:21:26

Naw naw Echelon ah jist chuck the whole thing in ma gub...let it melt n' then ah drink it...lurrrvly!

56

MrsKittyKat,

Arizona 08/12/2006 18:41:25

Life on Mars? Is the discovery of the gully the best NASA has? First, NASA is too busy finding life on other planets, and yes it is important. But, the real question is why, why is there a push for finding life on other planets. There are so many other issues that should be addressed before we explaore our universe. Such as the progression of traveling with speed through space and things in our own back yard, like the moon, who knows whats on the dark side, or why has their not been any other visits to the moon since the 60's? I can go on and on but, all these questions and more are what confuses me about mans adventuous travel through space. No body's asking me but if they did we should all work together for the better good because more than one mind works better than individual thinking. Together we can advance farther in life and space.


 

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