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Salmond must join referendum dots



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Published Date: 07 May 2008
IT'S unattractive to say "I told you so" when predictions are proved correct. I'll apologise right off for doing so, but I lost a few friends when I criticised the SNP's approach to how and when to have a referendum on independence.
Before asking Scots to make up their minds, the SNP has to join up the dots on the big picture by running an information and education campaign. I'm sorry if this rains on the SNP's first anniversary parade. That's the humility bit – now for the hard
talk.

I've warned for years about the SNP's wheeze of tying its electoral success – and in case we forget, Scotland's future – to a referendum that could very easily be usurped by its unionist opponents. My concern is based on the experience of the first devolution referendum in 1979, and the EU referendum in 1975. In both cases the Westminster establishment determined the rules, the question and the timing.

The SNP may be in government in Edinburgh but Labour is in power in Westminster. The government of the day, regardless of party, will be quite capable of taking over the promise, then staging a referendum at a time of its choosing. What would constitute a majority – one vote? or would there be other measurements of what the Scots really, really want?

The argument that Holyrood lacks the legal authority to call an independence referendum can be overcome, but Westminster will have a fallback position should the Scots vote for independence.

On one point, I was off the pace as to Labour's response to the SNP's referendum, because seven or eight years ago I didn't foresee Gordon Brown's spectacular fall from grace.

That long ago, it looked as though London would call the shots and Labour in Edinburgh would fire them. But now Wendy Alexander will paddle her own canoe and behind the scenes, Labour – in collusion with the other London-based unionist parties – will use the weapons of state at its disposal to hole Alex Salmond's campaign below the waterline.

From her perspective, Wendy was sharp to call for the SNP leader to table a Referendum Bill asap, because it will take time to get such a bill debated and passed by MSPs, and a campaign fitted in before the next election. By inviting him to "bring it on!" Labour's Scottish leader has deprived the First Minister of the right to claim "We wuz robbed of the chance to vote for what the Scots want".

Alex might have only a few short months to educate and inform the broad swathe of Scottish opinion that's vaguely sympathetic to Holyrood having more powers over our lives through a fairer and simpler, tax and benefits system; no nuclear weapons and the right to do our own talking in the EU.

So far, neither Alex Salmond nor any of his Cabinet has consistently reminded Scots that these are sovereign powers, currently exercised by Westminster, that are indivisible from what we call independence, or equality of legal status between Holyrood and Scotland.

Labour will characterise independence as "separation". The word conveys a negative, solitary future for Scotland outside the UK. The SNP had better start to identify areas of public policy and resources management that will be best served either by close cooperation – perhaps even joint action on the part of Westminster, Holyrood and, where necessary, by the other legislatures of our islands.

The First Minister would be well advised to rope-in some sympathisers among Scotland's policy wonks to work out the details of what's needed, so that they can be mulled over by Scots well in advance of any independence referendum. His White Paper that preceded the National Conversation was inadequate, emphasising devolution and not sovereignty.

Cancer warning
CANCER Research UK warns that tanning enthusiasts under 35 can increase their chances of developing skin cancer by up to 75% by regular use of sunbeds. The Health and Safety Executive suggests sunbeds should only be accessed by 18-year-olds and above.

For once I'm on the side of the nanny state. Twenty years ago, reporting for a BBC consumer programme, because of the lack of attention to safe practice I encountered in some of the tanning establishments I visited, the inevitable conclusion was that strict monitoring and licensing regulations were needed. Two decades on, the experts appear unimpressed with progress.

Place in society
THERE'S nothing new in athletes doing a bunk from oppressive regimes when they're competing abroad, like the Eritrean distance runners who claimed asylum here after competing in the World Cross Country Championships in Edinburgh.

It was pretty much par for the course that teams representing countries on the other side of the Iron Curtain would fly home from the West with spare seats on the aircraft. America attracted most Eastern Block athletes, including a teenage Martina Navratilova, who became all-American with a vengeance.

But her chosen compatriots withheld their love until she had proved herself the world's greatest. Let's hope the Eritreans are well integrated and loved in Scotland in time to claim their places in the Commonwealth Games Team.





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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2008 9:56 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Margo MacDonald
 
1

Venachar,

07/05/2008 11:08:53
Margo you should be advocating this inside the SNP not outside.
However the Labour party are in such disarray that anything they do or say will be interpreted as destructive towards the people of Scotland.

Ms Alexander goes missing for weeks on end, then comes back with U turns. Fool some of the people some of the time etc, etc. There is no credible opposition in Scotland as yet, I just hope that the SNP do not trip over their own feet.
2

sailorjim,

Funchal 07/05/2008 11:42:04
Come-on Margo! You know exactly what is happening here.
Please do not alienate yourself even more by giving food for destructive thought. No matter which way Scots vote in a referendum - the most important task is to get rid of this very devious person from Scottish politics. If she can behave this way - think what other ways she can 'upset the apple cart' - particularly if she was ever to gain real power in government and did not get her own way! As for her brother and mentor: he reminds me of that chappie who sqirmed and slithered in the back ground round Henry 8th. Think about it. We don't need this kind of sneaky, smarty pants type of politician. We need people who think of everyone and do not ignore, rubbish or trash others who have differing political opinions. I always thought you were for the scottish 'big picture'. Seems that I may have been mis-led.
3

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 07/05/2008 12:20:44
I agree that there is much work to be done.It is a great pity that Margo does not offer her council from within the SNP.
4

Padraig,

07/05/2008 12:31:52
If Wendy recommends it, we can all be sure that that is not the way to go.

Half-cocked!

Independence is the sort of this that gesture politics do nothing to help. As Margo said, it needs to be determined in detail, so that we can all see just what is involved, not just this "do we want to split from England?"

Already we are seeing Westminster prepare for this - Scots military bases being moved south, closures of Scots factories and even the latest "revaluation" of public buildings like Edinburgh Castle - what useful purpose could that serve other than to overvalue it - and include it in Scotland's "share" of the UK's assets.

SO we get the castles and England gets the economy!
5

Doh,

07/05/2008 12:47:53


Come on Margo get a grip.

You missed a chance to tell us how great the Labour MP for Edinburgh South is, he took such a courageous decision to back the 10p tax rise on the poor.
6

Canning,

07/05/2008 13:05:37
I dont see the problem here. The question should be relatively straigh forward. "Do you think Scotland should be an independadnt state seperate from the rest of the UK." Yes or No

Is that not what the SNP have been banging of about for the last umpteen decades? I get the impression that they are running scared of the issue becasue they know independance doesnt have a majority support. All it would do is bring a rather swift and crude end to all thier trumpeting about how Scotland wants to be independant.
7

John PM,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:21:09
Canning, mentioning the UK is inaccurate since it is the Treaty of Union not the Union of Crowns that the SNP is trying to break.

The Queen could quite happily be the Queen of an independent Scotland and England. I reckon she's probably a bit embarassed anyway with all those medals pretending the Empire still exists.

The SNP will ask the question it has in it's white paper in 2010. If Labour try and push through a more slanted question I'm quite sure the SNP will have no trouble treating it with the contempt it deserves.

Also I very much doubt Brown will suddenly have the bottle to ask his own question. However if UK Labour did push a dodgy question or any 40% style amendment (God knows they might try it again as well) this would simply build up steam for independence.
8

Merouane,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:24:01
#6. No, it's not what they've been banging on about. Independence is about being able to make our own decisions. We won't be 'completely separate from the UK' as the telegraph poll asked. We will work closely with all the countries of Britain and the British Isles and Europe. We will have a close relationship and close cooperation. Is that separation?

Don't worry though, #6, we'll have a referendum soon enough (although not at a date determined by Wendy), and we'll find out just how much support there is for independence.
9

capy,

edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:26:16
if A Salmond is in favour of it, Margo is agin it
10

Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:48:58
#6 - I still think "Do you think Scotland should be an independadnt state seperate from the rest of the UK." isn't precise enough.

It seems to me that the SNP can't quite decide whether they want full sovereign independence but an EU member, or whether they want full "statehood" within a future European Federation - a U.S. of E., if you like (which may be decades away, but I suspect _WILL_ happen one day).

(I appreciate that one of the aims of the National Conversation, is to find out what form of independence we might want).

I, for one, would be all for the latter, but am less sure about the former, even if it is just a temporary measure (for a decade or two) until the latter comes to be anyway.

The wording of any referendum question would need to _VERY_ precise, and preceded by a genuinely impartial information campaign (not sure if that's possible!), explaining what "independence" would actually mean.
11

Merouane,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 14:55:11
#10. Is the point not that if we gain independence from Westminster, we'll be able to decide our future with regards the EU (and many other things) in a way that we can't now.

Independence from the UK is going to be a pretty big step as it is, I think it's best that we try and make that step as uncomplicated as possible. Once we are established as an independent country again, then we can have a debate on some of these other issues.
12

me150,

07/05/2008 15:17:53
Why do they allow this woman to produce guff like this?
13

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/05/2008 17:06:57
JOIN UP THE DOTS?!!! How can you join up the dots with a leader like Salmond in charge? A council planning committee made a legal and binding decision on a planning issue. Smart Alex didn't like what he saw, had a clandestine meeting wearing another cloak to arrange for a different solution. JOIN UP THE DOTS?!! Not when they are moved around like chess pieces!!!
14

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 07/05/2008 17:14:46
Venachar # 1

Didn't Alex Salmond do a "U-turn" a few years ago when he come a back to Scotland to be the leader of the SNP after saying he wouldn't?
Makes you wonder what other similar convoluted turns he has if things don't suit him?
15

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 07/05/2008 17:22:05
Yesterday, you SNP drones were asserting that Wendy was Gordon Brown's puppet. Today it appears that you all have done a U-turn on that, or, more likely been flushed down the U-bend by Salmond. Salmond does not want a referendum.
Margo is right, Salmond has sold you a false prospectus; independence is not his gift to bestow.
16

Merouane,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 18:28:28
#15. Of course it's not his gift to bestow. It is the gift of the people. What Salmond is looking to do is allow the people to take that opportunity. It seems that Wendy now wants to help him in that goal (although to her own ends).

As for your point regarding u-turns, you're absolutely right. It is a strange thing in politics that politicians are so derided for making u-turns, even when the u-turn leads them to the correct conclusion. See the council u-turn today regarding the south-sub, a very welcome u-turn IMO. As was Salmond's u-turn you mention.

The difference with Wendy's u-turn is that she is still against independence and is only in favour of a referendum because she thinks it will give her party a tactical advantage at the next election (i.e. damage the SNP enough to save Labour from wipeout). That, IMO, is quite a disingenuous sort of u-turn and not one that should be lauded.
17

Merouane,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 18:32:52
Ciderman 542000, just a quick point on Wendy's puppet status. I too assumed that this must have come via Brown. Certainly most of her previous actions seem to have been directed by Brown or at least had his approval.

It seems I was wrong. Perhaps I was wrong all along and Wendy her own woman. Or perhaps this is down to some new found independence.

Another reason might be that the Scottish Labour party is in disarray, and Gordon has lost control. Wendy and others are scrambling for ideas to save themselves from the kind of result we saw in England and Wales last week. Interesting times for the Labour party eh.
18

Jwil,

07/05/2008 19:35:57
My thoughts are; because Wendy is seen as a puppet of Westminster, Gordon Brown (unwisely) let her have her head to prove that she was her own woman. She has gone off on the wrong tack and compromised Brown. demonstrating just how incompetent she is.

19

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 21:24:00
11 Merouane
Sorry but that is not how things work. If Scotland leaves the UK it will have to negotiate the terms of separation from the UK AND negotiate terms of its membership of the EU in terms of its contributions to the EU budget etc. The only alternative is that it remains in a state of limbo - that will not do anybody any good.
20

Merouane,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 21:50:15
#19. Aye, maybe it would be a good time to reassess our position within the EU. But as you say, there's going to be plenty negotiation going on with the English/rest-of-the-UK government regards the division of assets etc.
I'm sure the EU will try and make things as simple as possible, so I still think that to work within that would be the sensible way to go to start with.
21

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07/05/2008 22:09:21
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07/05/2008 22:29:11
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donald,

glasgow 08/05/2008 05:27:17
Strathclyde held a referendum oan watter. What's to stop Holyrood going for it?

 

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