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My worries over Caltongate grow



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Published Date: 20 February 2008
THE 2000 objections to the Caltongate development came from town planners, architects, people who live in the Old Town, elsewhere in the city and outside the Capital: a disparate group possibly only united in their pride in, and concern for, Edinburgh.
It's against democratic precedent and good practice in a properly participative community for such a volume of opinion to be over-ridden, even after an eight-hour-long city council meeting, without strenuous attempts to bridge the gap between developer and objectors.

It looked as if this might happen, and some people who objected to the original plans took a step back to see what modifications would be made.

Personally, I was disappointed by the number of homes in the "affordable" range for young families in the city centre. I was I also unsure about the architecture, given the heart-stoppingly beautiful background of Calton Hill, the Old Royal High etc. But because of a desire to support innovation, rather than always clamour for no change to the city we love, I decided to watch developments and, I hoped, further changes to the design and Caltongate plan.

But my goodwill, patience and optimism were blown out of court when I read about Allan Murray's dismissal of the 2000 objections to his development as "thoughtless". According to the Caltongate architect, the "objections show a real ignorance of the city, and "lack thoughtfulness". What a cheek.

He included the Cockburn Association, established in 1875, to which Edinburgh citizens owe gratitude for its dogged determination to maintain its standards of harmony, balance and beauty for the city's built heritage – sometimes against strong tides of fashionable opinion, vested interest and commercial insensitivity. It can sound stuffy. . . a parody of the socially stiff Edinburgh invented by Glasgow comedians. But the conservation group was a very important part of the larger civic grouping that stopped Edinburgh replicating Glasgow's mistake in demolishing a great number of the Victorian buildings that gave the one-time second city of the Empire its unique character.

The Caltongate architect, though, is hoist by his own petard when he accuses the Cockburn Association of "attacking developments for decades, saying that each one would ruin Edinburgh forever".

Strange then, that the association should have been so measured in its objections to what we are told is the most important building in Scotland for a century. . . the Holyrood Parliament.

Its members were loathe to appear negative and time-warped. But as most people now agree, their doubts were well-founded as regards the exterior of the building. Mr Murray is a fan.

That fact, and his cheap shot at linking the objections to his plan to the over-crowded, dirty and diseased Edinburgh of the 17th century, has stiffened my resolution in favour of further investigation of the present plan up to and including a public inquiry, if that's what it takes to bring about a development of the city that reflects the character, standards and ambition of its citizens.

According to Mr Murray, objections are "so emotionally charged" as to be scary. Yet he says the city would "once again be teetering on the brink of disaster" just as it did in the 17th century. Spinning facts to promote one's beliefs or projects to that extent is what I'd call scary.

Boyle is hot stuff
If you haven't already done so, and could do with a bit of cheering-up, make your way to the first floor of the City Arts Centre in Market Street. Frank Boyle, the Evening News cartoonist and two-times winner of the Cartoonist of the Year Award, has his work on display.

I was a guest at the opening reception, along with dozens of his other victims. All the earnest, 24/7 city councillors he's drawn as vampires: ex-leader of the council Donald Anderson; and bovver boys: deputy leader of the council Steve Cardownie – were unstinting in their praise of his sharp insight and wicked humour.

Me? I just wish he wouldn't draw me as a wee fat wummin in a pleated skirt reminiscent of the fashion paraded at the Co-op Guild, circa 1953. I never wear pleated skirts.

Brown's irony fist
Gordon Brown was oblivious to the irony in his statement supporting (OK, commenting on) Wendy Alexander's intention to have a commission to examine what further powers are needed by Holyrood.

He backed Wendy all the way, he said, in her open-minded review of the powers presently held by Holyrood.

But, he went on, there would be no question of independence or any other ideological policy being discussed. Scotland would remain British.

How come consideration of sovereignty/independence, on its merits compared with the other possibilities is ideological, when failure to examine Broon's British sovereignty on its merits is not?


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1

Buttress,

20/02/2008 10:20:04
Thank heavens - a voice of reason and sanity over Caltongate.

There MUST be a call-in and inquiry - the arrogance and ignorance shown by Murray need to be countered, and those informed organisations which objected - organisations such as ICOMOS UK, Edinburgh World Heritage Trust, the Cockburn Association, AHSS, SAVE Britain's Heritage, Save Our Old Town, etc, as well as a large number of informed individuals, need to have those objections properly heard.

The dismissal of them by the City of Edinburgh Council was a disgrace - the planning report ignored all such professional opinion and declared that this would not damage the heritage of the city, and would indeed enhance it. Staggering - time for an investigation into those responsible for this, and indeed other plans where historic buildings have been involved, and time, too, that Historic Scotland showed some courage and opposed plans such as this. Quite what is going on in that organisation also requires investigation. An apparent fear of being accused of 'holding back' progress by the likes of Murray, and the Mountgrange publicity machine, in it, let's be honest, for the cash, is deeply disturbing. Neither architect nor developer has the best interests of the city at heart.

The Chamber of Commerce too needs to consider its part in encouraging this sort of inappropriate development. Its Chief Executive - a man whose career seems not to have been in architecture or conservation, but who is merely a loud mouthpiece in order to justify his salary - should consider the harm being done to Edinburgh's tourism by this type of unsympathetic and inappropriate development.

Listed buildings are to be demolished, conservation area buildings reduced to facades on some nebulous claim of 'economics' and 'jobs' - both of which could be gained from a far better and far more fitting development, retaining the historic buildings and enhancing the character of the area.

There is no doubt that this, along with oth
2

Buttress,

20/02/2008 10:21:53
Cont.

There is no doubt that this, along with other unsuitable developments, both built and in the pipeline, are placing in serious danger the World Heritage Site status of the city. No doubt people like Murray will see this s progress - he and his ilk can make even more cash from spoiling the place, with the help of the city council, its planners and councillors who seemed not even to be able to read the plans for the development. For those who care about the city, it’s time to make a stand against them.

www.eh8.org.uk

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com

3

Buttress,

20/02/2008 11:23:19
Times today:



'A London-based development company behind one of the most controversial planning decisions in Edinburgh made a £4,000 donation to the Scottish Labour Party to fund a champagne reception at a time when the backing of party councillors for the project was crucial to its success.


A Times investigation has established that the donation was made by Mountgrange, the company which is developing the £300 million Caltongate project in the heart of Edinburgh's historic OldTown. The scheme, which envisages the demolition of some listed buildings, is bitterly opposed by conservationists.


The disclosure of the donation last night provoked outrage among the scheme’s opponents, who seized demanded an investigation into links between the former Labour council and Mountgrange...'

More see:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/

4

THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:02:21
#1 I like your style but HS & CEC are thick as theives and EWH trust is sponsored by both of them, so it seems like its down to people like Margo and yourself to be the real vanguards. Who sponsors "Save Our Old Town" I like their acronym SOOT - if things kick off they can alway call upon SWEEP - Stop Witchy Edinburgh Enterprise & Public-bodies....if it was the USA they would Soo!!

Sorry for being flippant, the chuminess of Local Government and big business is no joke & is NOT what the people of Scotland need, so I hope Margo gets stuck in about them...Margo needs to start a party because when she goes, there might not be a lot like her left...I'm sure she'll be about for a long time though....here's hoping.
5

Buttress,

20/02/2008 12:18:23
As I have said elsewhere - EWHT is now an independent charitable trust. It has a new Director starting in April. One with a major background in conservation and campaigning.









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Kevin Connor,

Meadowbank 20/02/2008 12:27:03
It ain't over till it's over!

Mountgrange and Donald Anderson et al seem to have a lot to answer for.
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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 12:38:46
5 Buttress,

Sorry, I didn't know that EWHT is now an independent charitable trust - where do they get their money from now, because previously, as i understand it, HS and CEC needed to sponsor them for hundreds of thousands, that's a lot of charitable donations to be made from others.

Out of interest, do you know where the majority of their funding comes from?
8

Buttress,

20/02/2008 13:09:24
Still the same place, as far as I am aware.

If you wish to discuss it further, then the Chair of the Trustees I am sure will be happy to talk to you.

As I am sure will the new Director.







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THE BPRENTICE,

20/02/2008 14:08:30
8 Buttress, thanks for that - your first sentence was enough for me. It backed up what I'm saying.

I enjoyed reading your posts and I wish you well, I beleive you when you say that the development is appalling, so go for it. That is the main point and I didn't want to detract from it, really.

But, I was harping on about EWH (and other bodies that I am less aware of) because I don't think you addressed my main point during our exchanges on here and the other thread.

At no point did you accept my point that any heritage trust, no matter what its legally formed company style - if it is funded/sposored/donated to etc by CEC/HS - they cannot truly go to the mat and trade blows without worrying that they will be checking out the scotsman recruitment pages as a result.

I don't know you but you strike me as an intelligent person, but I'm disappointed that you didn't really address my main point; you just inferred that the new director at the EWH trust is a bit of a tiger.

I found that kind of strange? Not saying that I'm not strange mind you!!
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Buttress,

20/02/2008 14:21:34
I'm not sure what point you wish me to address - if you wish to accuse the EWHT of being a bit of a poodle, then surely the people to ask/accuse are those involved?

As the Trust has vociferously opposed the Calongate plans, objected throughout, attended the planning meeting to object etc etc I'm not sure that it isn't acting in the best interests of the WHS.

Ultimately, I understand it advises Ministers regarding the WHS.

It also has a Management Plan, and UNESCO monitors the WHS and makes recommendations regarding what is happening.

If you wish for more details, then, as I said, ask those responsible. Best to get it from the mouth of the nag is always my view.



11

Buttress,

20/02/2008 14:52:19
Wonderful:

http://news.scotsman.com/caltongatedevelopment/Aitken-denies-link-to-Caltongate.3797406.jp
12

Buttress,

20/02/2008 15:45:42
http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/labels/Caltongate.htm
13

Kevin Connor,

Meadowbank 20/02/2008 16:30:29
Today's Times (Caltongate Developers funded Labour while seeking council backing ) points our that ex-Council leader Donald Anderson now works for the PR company that lobbies for Mountgrange on this Caltongate project. Also says that Mountgrange donated to Labour at crucial stages in the planning process.
(Article not online so copied here: http://www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/ )

Anderson now works for PPS, the PR company exposed for its dirty tricks over influencing planning decisions through deceit.

Andrew Gilligan's Channel 4 documentery, DISPATCHES, gives the dodgy details, and can be watched here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8576816145694781888
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Buttress,

20/02/2008 16:33:55
Read this thread for more:

http://heritage.scotsman.com/caltongatedevelopment/Aitken-denies-link-to-Caltongate.3797406.jp
15

Corbel,

20/02/2008 18:04:49
Thank you Margo. Well said.

Having allowed him to air his opinions I hope the council now regrets creating the overweening megalomaniac that is Alan Murray.
16

grantcat,

Old Town 20/02/2008 21:19:39
#4 Everybody and anybody sponsors SOOT. We are a community led campaign - it has no formal structures, the Canongate Community Forum is the "parent" organisation, we are a constituted group and last night at out AGM we voted back in our office bearers and presented our accounts - we have £250 (no funding from big business for us)we make money from membership fees (£3 per annum), seeling badges and having wee socials in the Canon Gait's pub :-)

The whole thing is not over, the Scottish Ministers have to look at the decision and the best approach would be to have a Public Enquiry into the decisions and the plans.

EWH are a publicly funded agency and are not "independent" as you are right they are dependent on funding from statutory organisations who have an interest in developments like Caltongate but I think all things considered they put up a good fight.

I suggest people read the Canongate Community Forum website which is www.eh8.org.uk

and the SOOT daily blog which is www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com
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Buttress,

20/02/2008 22:34:03
Well, being funded by statutory bodies doesn't mean it has to toe any political line.

It seems not to.

As with any organisation with trustees, decisions will have to be made in conjunction with such trustees regarding policies to be followed and in accordance with the charitable remit and agreed management plan.

UNESCO also monitors and reports on performance.



18

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 20/02/2008 23:07:59
2000? and 20,000 don't think it is appropriate.
19

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 20/02/2008 23:14:38
Alan Murray should be shot for crimes against the city.
20

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 20/02/2008 23:20:50
Luciano Pavarotti remarked on the simplicity of his family retreat in contrast to the cities as "excessive progress"

"Excessive progress", I find to be an accurate statement of affairs in planning in Edinburgh.


Its those brown envelopes between developers and council planners that are the motivator.
Corrupt scum
21

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 21/02/2008 03:55:08
IHOPE THIS ALAN.MURRAY IS NOWAY RELATED THIS GUY COULD NOT DESIGN A NICE LOOKING SHOE BOX THIS UGLY MONSTER OFF A PROJECT MUST BE HALTED SAVE EDINBURGH AT ALL COSTS FROM THIS MADNESS SPEAK UP SAY NO NO NO
22

THE BPRENTICE,

21/02/2008 10:32:51
16 grantcat, Old Town - thank you for letting me know more about SOOT - more power to all of your elbows.

Also, thanks for agreeing with me re the power of independence that a publicly funded body will have - I was starting to doubt my sanity there, its questionable at the best of times.

Now, I don't want to get drawn into an argument with Buttress, who I get the impression is cool; but whether EWHT have been hitting the masonry nail on the head when it comes to their 'mgt planning' or not, that's besides the point.

Let's look at the following quote:
"ex-Council leader Donald Anderson now works for the PR company that lobbies for Mountgrange on this Caltongate project. Also says that Mountgrange donated to Labour at crucial stages in the planning process."

Using the same logic that EWH don't have to toe the line of their sponsors/donators etc - who is to say that Donald Anderson is toe-ing Mountgrange's party-line? Just because he doesn't have a 'mgt plan' and a committee around him telling him what to do ... is there THAT much difference between Donald and any director of a publicly funded body?

This point might come across as flippant or cheeky and maybe a bit surreal - but think about the principles of what I'm saying and potentially, if you're getting paid by the man you're going to say 'yes'm' to the man.....I'm sure Adam Smith would back that economic fact up...and the irony that Adam Smith is buried in the graveyard not too far away from the building site doesn't escape me.

BTW, I've done a wee bit of digging and the building that's proposed IS crass - it looks like something the borg from star trek would arrive in - or maybe one of these souless 'service centres' you find in livingston where they huddle all the finance/IT/HR functions together, kept well away form the workers, so they can service more and more employees for less and less money and essentially lose touch with the grass roots of the company.

I hope anyone, public body
23

Buttress,

21/02/2008 10:59:28
The purpose of EWHT is clear to all - its purpose is posted on its website. It's there to manage the WHS, to agreed principles and a publicly viewable management plan. It is monitored by UNESCO, which also publishes its reports for all to see.

And that's what it does, works for the Old and New Town's best interests. And I can't see it suddenly changing. No mystery about it - it's not suddenly going to say yes to demolitions and crass developments which will be detrimental to the WHS. Ultimately, the decision about that rests with Ministers, but that's the way with all planning decisions.

A PR firm works for whichever side hires it and pays it.

You need to dig a bit further - there's a bit more than one building involved. There's a major site, covered in many buildings.
24

THE BPRENTICE,

21/02/2008 12:08:00
23 Buttress, if things are so very clear at EWHT why then "on its website" that is SO "publicly viewable" did the minutes from their meetings stop being attached around nineteen canteen?......oooh was that when the Director left with errr ... no mention...so clearly viewable...ouch!?

You talk macro issues of strategic plans/commitee chairmans and I'm talking about the micro day-to-day issues of exactly how much the trust object, who they give their grant money to, what they leave out, the region they cover and how its money is justified to operate on...it is exactly the same for orgs like CEC, HS etc - responsibility, accountability, power and control within a very important area - heritage....its all very subjective tough, which makes it tricky and should be really kept in check by 'the people for the people'.

Don't get me wrong, SOOT, despite being completely independent in its funding, could have the wrong handle (which I'm sure they've not) on issues like Caltongate: as, within any body a select few can bully the many who can be quite happy to turn up and make up the numbers. Any committee can be like that - there is no right or wrong answers.

In fact, HS and CEC overlording the whole heritage watchdog thing directly, for me, would seem to be a very, very good idea to me - what gets my goat is when they make up little buffer quangos to act like a buttress; to deflect responsibility.

To use an analogy - its like a comedian being really nice but his ventriloquist dummy he's holding is scathing to everybody (the 80s us sitcom SOAP comes to mind) - nobody blames the guy holding the dummy for the remarks; they all get annoyed with the doll and speak to each one as if though they are completely separate....sometimes ehy even want to assault the doll but the ventriliquost steps in to peacemake. Sound familiar?

Direct responsibility is what I'm saying for the same reason we are taken aback at the Donald Anderson revelations of Mountgrange allegedly wo
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THE BPRENTICE,

21/02/2008 12:10:04
cont.....

Direct responsibility is what I'm saying for the same reason we are taken aback at the Donald Anderson revelations of Mountgrange allegedly working him from the back.

Can you get your kung-fu grip around what I'm saying? I'm not sure that is within your superpowers? And yes, Caltongate is not one building; to build: I said "the building that's proposed IS crass" ...we are building, you are building, they are building, I build, he builds, we build, she builds...but I can see how you incorrectly picked up on my words, whereas I'm still trying to get over you saying on the other site something like and I'm paraphrasing here, "just because an organisation is given money, it doesn't mean that the sponsor is paying their wages" - well, yes it does!! if it counts for 95% plus of its overall income.

I'm still trying to take the bic pen out of my eye after stabbing myself in it after reading your post.

I'm guessing you'll want the last word, which is fine by me, so this is my last post (cue trumpet): but, whatever you do in your day time - whether its at 5 Charlotte Square or not - good luck and keep on truckin.
26

Buttress,

21/02/2008 12:29:33
I talk of very little as I don't think a public website is possibly the place to discuss some things.

Contact the Chair of Trustees if you have concerns.


27

Buttress,

21/02/2008 12:30:37
I have, BTW, nothing to do with the organisation, other than a certain amount of knowledge.

:-)

 

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