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Published Date: 18 November 2008
THE Capital's bus network is facing further cuts as bosses battle to slash costs amidst falling passenger numbers.
Lothian Buses is currently in consultation with the city council on more proposed changes and will report to Scotland's Traffic Commissioner later this week.

The council-owned firm is considering fresh cuts to services, which would see the frequency on a number of routes reduced.

It is feared that services between the city and East Lothian, including the 15, 26 and 44 will be reduced, although Lothian Buses could not confirm this. It is also likely the 22 could be replaced by a double-decker, while the 21 may be replaced by a single-decker.

The news follows the company's decision to withdraw or cut 11 bus services last month.

Lothian Buses has already cut the N26 and N44 night services during the week, which now terminate at Eastfield. The N30 service has been completely axed.

Ian Craig, Lothian Buses' managing director, confirmed there would be changes to bus services from January. He said: "We are undertaking a final consultation of these with The City of Edinburgh Council transport planning officials. Therefore, no details can be released at this stage until they have been submitted and accepted by the Traffic Commissioner for Scotland. Immediately thereafter we will inform customers and stakeholders of the full details."

Tram works and other roadworks around Edinburgh have hit Lothian Buses' passenger figures badly this year, with numbers down seven per cent on 2007.

Lothian Buses is also facing a steep rise in employment costs of £2.7 million due to the need for more drivers for the extra buses it needs for the tram diversions, while its diesel bill has also risen by £1.95m over the last year.

In September, councillors approved a £124,000 rescue plan to give a temporary reprieve to five of the 16 routes which Lothian Buses planned to axe or cut. But 11 routes were completely cut or reduced on October 5.

This included withdrawing the 20 and the 60, as well as the N11 and N27 night bus services. The 17 was scaled back on a Saturday, and the frequency of the 24 and the 26 were reduced in the evenings.


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  • Last Updated: 18 November 2008 11:52 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses
 
1

allknowing,

18/11/2008 12:00:13
"The council-owned firm is considering "

And for all the numpties that insist lothain buses are independent, just shows your are sheep.

Like TIE, they are just another branch of Edinburgh Council.

Buses are only cut becuase no-one uses them, so why should tax payers fund ailing services?

2

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:06:21
Oh what an excellent idea! Vandalise all the roads in and around the city with bus lanes. Make it difficult and expensive to take a car into the city in order to force people onto buses, then cut the bus services.

The Monty Python team couldn't have come up with a better idea.

An incidentally, I don't think the N30 has been completely axed either, unless it's been done quite recently.
3

Grumpy,

18/11/2008 12:08:18
Read this news on SCUMBUS days ago.

And why are people not using the buses? Because of all the tram works!
4

James (1),

18/11/2008 12:16:50
Why are the council wanting to save money? I thought it was blatantly clear by allowing this tram line to be installed that money was no object.
If the cut the No.26 service they will save a huge amount of money.
Mind you it will force the twenty passengers on the 06.30hrs to join up with the eight passengers on the 06.31hrs. It's not a squeeze but its better than them waiting on 06.32 because the two passengers on that bus are always arguing.
5

capy,

embra 18/11/2008 12:17:47
A well back to my car. Stuff it.I gave it(bus) a go. I like driving in my car lalallal la la.
6

Marathon,

18/11/2008 12:18:53
"It is also likely the 22 could be replaced by a double-decker..."

Will there just be one double decker on the 22?

Don't need a tram then do we?!
7

jc is god,

18/11/2008 12:21:57
half the 22s and there would be half the traffic on the roads
8

Liz,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:23:32
#3
I had to get a taxi last week as I could not work out where on earth I was going to be able to get on the bus I needed from the centre of town - due to all the diversions etc.
(I was in a rush and did not have time to wander around endlessly in hope that I chanced across the correct stop)
No wonder passenger levels are dropping. Every bus I have had to get recently has had some kind of diversion. But face it, services like the 15 and 44 are particularly vunerable to cuts, they are probably not as heavily used as some others and much of their routes are duplicated. Tough luck on anyone who needs to use them. At least when the trams are done transport in Edinburgh will be fantastic - or at least it will be if you want to go from Ocean Terminal to the Gyle - I can't think why anyone could possibly want to go anywhere else....
9

Boy Wonder,

18/11/2008 12:27:52
According to my cousin, who has to use the city buses ... they're all running late due to the amount of roadworks throughout the city. Last week she waited nearly 30 minutes for a bus in the centre of town, and then it took 45 minutes to get to Dalry Road!

People arte not getting buses cos it's quicker walking!

End this stupid trams fiasco now ... and put the money into giving us a first-class buse service!!!
10

alex paterson,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 12:28:48
If they keep this up soon there will be no buses on the roads,YEAH.
11

One-man-bucket's older twin,

18/11/2008 12:29:46
So how ARE people getting to work? Certainly not by car, unless their emloyer provides free parking. The majority of citizens are too unfit to cycle in hilly Edinburgh, and I've yet to see fleets of cycles at traffic lights like there used to be in Hull, Cambridge or Oxford.
12

Decent,

18/11/2008 12:36:11
My employer does provide free parking. Oh and if anyone is thinking of buying a car from Arnold Clark then don't.
13

Skip McClendon,

18/11/2008 12:39:00
Edinburgh Council and TIE: committed to working in partnership to further the cause of home working by making it virtually impossible to get to work.
14

KTCB41,

18/11/2008 12:39:16
The issue is perhapps to do with all the pople with concession passes not properly paying their way.

If I get on the bus I pay £1.10 for my journey.

If a concession passenger get's on with a pass the bus company gets about 30p less.

There are clearly too many buses running almost empty and clogging up the roads during off peak periods.

The employment difficulties in employing peaople on split shifts ia a real problem though.

If we are being told that it's the work on the tram line that's the problem though, then our Councillors should find the money from other sources to tide the bus compaies over. Education and Social work are awash with money I understand.
15

Bob 2,

18/11/2008 12:39:40
Hasn’t Edinburgh Council Done Well

In Just over a year, they have almost just about managed to run down an award winning Bus Company into the ground

Without even trying.
16

Destroy the Planet,

18/11/2008 12:40:45
11 because most of the cyclists in edinburgh are absolute prats (anybody in a yellow high visability jacket, lyrca trousers and helmet and a floodlight). These idiots, who only seem to appear in Edinburgh, give people who ride bicycles a bad name and put us off getting round town. Bicyclists in general recognise dogs are stupid, people have a right of way, you dont cycle on pavements and dismount at the appropriate moments, Cyclists dont, i hate them.

So too summarise - people on bicycles - good
Cyclists (yellow high vis, helmets, 1000 pound bikes etc) - rounded up and chucked in the sea.
17

Bob 2,

18/11/2008 12:41:34
they could reduce the day time off peak 26 to a 10 min service, with no buses terminating at Eastfield
18

Bob 2,

18/11/2008 12:43:57
It is feared that services between the city and East Lothian, including the 15, 26 and 44 will be reduced, although Lothian Buses could not confirm this.

which means this is what they have got planned, clearly the leak news to the Evening News.

we had the fares increase earlier in the year and then the service cuts and now more cuts.

the EN clearly have reliable source at Lothian Buses.
19

Bob 2,

18/11/2008 12:44:44
were will the trams get there subsidy from now ?

for sale a run down bus company
20

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 12:49:01
Who's to blame

Labour costs are up due partly to the huge increase the drivers got recently after the strike. (Coocilors it is council owned, The Drivers)
Utility companies digging up the roads (Utility companies and Cooncilors they are meant to cordinate and inform)
TIE digging up the roads (Cooncilors and TIE they are meant to cordinate and inform)
Fuel prices rocketing (world economics)
I see a pattern emerging in who has an input into all of the problems.
21

just-whatever-eh,

DR/F1/MO2 18/11/2008 12:55:26
Don't understand how bus passenger numbers can be down. Where are they going to?

I don't think this story has been investigated properly.
22

Pond Hall,

18/11/2008 12:58:37
yip FIRST bus must be laughing at the mess Lothian Buses are in just now and waiting to pick up whats left of Lothian Buses.

Just watch fares going up in East Lothian,
Not IF, but WHEN Lothian buses cut their services back to the City Boundary.

FIRST will no doubt be struggling to cope with the extra passengers numbers.

Public Tranport has been put back 10 years with the problems caused by all the tram and road works.

Yes after some 10 years of Investment and Passenger growth.

Its all been thrown away for in the main a tramline.

The worrying thing is, things will only get worse, due to the Tramline being behind schedule.
23

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 13:11:09
#22 your correct in saying bus transport has been put back ten years by the tram work and other road works.
The bus comapnay may have been able to deal with the problem if they hadnt changed the routes of a huge amount of buses to go through Edinburgh centre especially Princess Street over the past few years.
I believe the bus comapny basicly failed to anticiapte the huge problems they would have with the tram works. This might be due to the obvious lack of planning and cordination by TIE.
And as i have said ultimatly the people at the very top of the ladder the cooncilors have allowed this problem to happen. We can blame TIE/Bus managers but the cooncilors are the people who control both arms length comapnies(thats a joke) they are meant to be in charge.
24

Hoof Hearted,

18/11/2008 13:16:35
£2 flat fare from March.
25

Cod,

Lampost 18/11/2008 13:19:23
Bus numbers are down as they have become UNRELIABLE. Too may roadworks/traffic lights - I just walk or take a taxi now instead. 1 hour on a bus from bottom of Leith Walk to Morningside? You are having a laugh. Walk citizens, walk.
26

Bob Wilson,

Anchor Man 18/11/2008 13:19:55
Simple solution - raise fares to £1.20 and no need for service cuts. Its as easy as that.

£1.10 at the moment is an absolute snip for the great service you get.

And if a 10p price hike on the buses helps keep the Clarkson-ites on this board off them, then thats an added bonus!
27

big man,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:36:11
#26, Yes your right, fares will rise to possibly £1.30 single fare, £3 for a Daysaver, but you have to admit that the good people of Edinburgh & Outlying Districts have had the best of cheap fares far to long,, don't blame Lothian Buses, blame the diddy's at the council for starting the tram work in the first place. After all the essential works for replacements pipes for gas etc was well overdue, put the money back into a transport system that had proved itself long before this all started, if anybody thinks FIRST can do any better, your having a laugh, for starters all the mothers with buggies would be crying there eyes out as First don't have the same modern fleet as which Lothian has, so its about time the council got back on track and do away with the tram system.
28

FED UP WITH COUNCIL DEPARTMENTS,

18/11/2008 13:39:45
People are not using the buses as they are no longer reliable, the timetables have all gone out the window and the time each journey now takes because of all the road works makes i quicker to drive to Livingston or even the Metro Centre instead of trying to get to Princes Street
29

Simon M,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:03:35
The "rising cost of diesel" excuse does not hold any water since the price of diesel has been falling for months.
30

NorT,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:06:17
Lothian Buses have stated publicly that there is very little difference in the running costs betweena single decker and a double decker so how come they are using that as an excuse. Also fuel costs have come down considerably recently so that should not have an effect. In any case Lothian Buses were never paying the full fuel costs that the motorists was paying. As usual Lothian buses doing a "spin" news release. However they could increase their long distanc efares. It costs the same to get a 15 all the way from Roslin to Tranent as it does along the length of Princes Street. Thats not very fair.
31

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18/11/2008 14:10:51
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My other car's a Bell 206,

18/11/2008 14:18:27
Ban the buses, solve the problem.

why not arrange to have fleets of cars in the park and rides, have buses pick people up and drop them off there and everyone can drive around in a car. Save time, save money, reduce traffic jams (caused by buses anyway) and make everyone happy.
33

DaveA1875,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:29:51
#17 - you are right, they will be reducing the number 26 service to 1 every 10 minutes. Makes a change from 3 coming along every 15 minutes, so this should see an improvement!
Not sure about after Eastfield though.
34

Randan,

18/11/2008 14:35:08
I saw this coming and moved out of Edinburgh 13 months ago.
Was I lucky or what?
Sorry everyone who is left has to put up with it though.
35

Peeter Reed,

18/11/2008 14:53:03
£1.10 is an absolute bargain.(£3 to go anywhere on the london tube) Put the fares up a wee bit to cover extra costs.
36

World class concrete,

18/11/2008 14:55:10
How has Edinburgh gone, in just over a year, from the best bus company/service in Britain, to cutbacks and route cancellations and what appears to be a failing company? Trams - not needed, not wanted, a waste of money. Instead of improving a good existing public transport network in Edinburgh (i.e. buses), they're destroying it.
37

World class concrete,

18/11/2008 15:05:15
Edinburgh Council are currently preparing their 2009/10 Budget, and seeking views from the public on budget priorities. They have a questionnaire at:

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/Council/Council_Business/Council_consultations/CEC_council_budget_2009_10

but I suggest caution: if you answer the question about whether more, the same, or less should be spent on public transport and say "more", they may regard that as support for spending even more on trams. You can also send comments to:

budgetconsultation@edinburgh.gov.uk




38

Giraffe,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:20:31
I often wonder when am waiting on a bus after work to go home why, I counted this time, 8 No. 26's passed me - 8!! Why? Do Councillors live on the 26 route - oh, sorry, they use taxis paid by us. Also, I never quite got either why the 22 was a single decker bus and it is normally packed.

If no-one is using the buses then they must all use the one I get after work as I can't remember the last time I got a seat, am almost sitting on the drivers knee, God help us if he has to do an emergency stop, the 100 (ok slight exaggeraton) folk that are standing will all fly out the front window.
39

plord,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:23:39
the western approach road has a 1.5 ton limit (in place since opening) for commercial vehicles what weight is a fully laden double decker bus? If as was explained to me at the time the limit was for the bridge crossing Dalry road why are buses allowed to use the route? info nayone?
40

ted@scumbus.com,

scumbus, edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:56:24
lothian buses are suggesting passenger numbers are down, but there is a school of thought, within the drivers, that there is a campaign to cut driver numbers, to the bone along with a decimation of terms and conditions, this is the perfect time, using the economic climate as an excuse
41

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18/11/2008 16:20:59
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Bonzo,

18/11/2008 16:25:45
#43,45 fresian
I wonder if being unable to spell schemie, might in itself be a sign of 'scheemieness' as you put it.
43

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18/11/2008 16:28:42
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jambo43,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:34:12
#37
its actually £4 to go 1 stop on the london tube. Scrap the trams now
45

Destroy the Planet,

18/11/2008 16:36:47
serves me right for living in Edinburgh
46

James (1),

18/11/2008 16:43:31
#48 that's mail order for you! If you don't ask you don't get.
Bet you feel stupid now, having not asked for your mail order wife to be able to drive?
47

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18/11/2008 17:01:56
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18/11/2008 17:06:36
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49

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 17:19:15
I took a bus down in the Portsmouth area not too long ago. The distance was about the same as Leith to Wester Hailes and took about the same time. Cost? Over £6 return. On that basis, I don't think Edinburgh bus fares are too bad really.
50

Ron S,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 18:02:33
I find Edinburgh buses to and from Stockbridge are generally pretty good.
The Airport bus is fantastic - cheap and very frequent.
Will the trams be this good?

#49 Don't exagerate London prices. Most? local people use Oyster cards which give half price travel. Last week in central London I took three longish train journeys, two short and two long bus rides, two short and two long (exactly halfway round the circle line) tube rides. The total cost to the Oyster card? - about six quid!


51

Robert12,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 18:20:04
Instead of cutting the routes why not cut out some of the bus stops. Is there any need for the 12, 31 and 26 to all stop at the same stops between Princes Street and Corstorphine and is there any need to have bus stops that are about 20 metres apart? Cut out the amount of times the bus has to slow down and speed up and journeys will be quicker meaning less buses/drivers are required and less diesel is being used. Not rocket science is it?
52

James (1),

18/11/2008 18:46:23
#54 Foo is your memory starting to go?
So when you addressed the following statememt to me:-

"Not having left the village of killiecrankie in all your years, and having married your cousin, big Marge-fat-lump McWaddle, I appreciate you find the concept of travel difficult to entertain."

So when you say you don't personally attack me, am I reading an insult into that statement that is not really there?







53

Beergut,

Embra 18/11/2008 18:49:45
Took a 22 bus to Ocean Terminal last weekend - over 30 minutes just to get down Leith Walk alone! If I had had any sense I would have taken the car and been there and back in half an hour.
54

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:17:40
#38. You ae right, trams not wanted, not needed. Who will stop it though? SNP want them for Edinburgh short term economy at the expense of the city in the longer term.
55

lulach mac gille coemgain,

18/11/2008 19:35:03
Great news for the people o Kirkliston - although you pay for this bus service - the cuts won’t affect you - for in 30 years of being part of Edinburfgh they still havnae gave ya the cooncil services or buses !
56

Top_Dawg,

Outer Space 18/11/2008 19:35:32
I got on a bus once.

The phoned the police to get me off!!

Still it was rather high up there on the roof.
57

Top_Dawg,

18/11/2008 19:35:53
#7 Good point.
58

Grad 1,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 19:36:11
Don't know what planet these boys at LRT are on. I get the 26 and it's always jammed. If they cut the service I'll need to cling on to the roof "Calcutta" style and hope I don't fall off into one of those huge tiger traps they have been digging at the top of Leith Walk.
59

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18/11/2008 19:48:11
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Pumpkin,

18/11/2008 20:08:36
If passenger numbers is an issue, why don't Lothian buses go back to the 2 tier price system? 60p for a shorter journey and £1.20 for a longer journey (as a suggestion). Inevitably, some people will not have the correct change so will probably just put a £1 coin in the slot so Lothian buses will even get the extra cash as an added bonus!
61

snoopy,

Waiting an eternity on a night bus to Musselburgh! 18/11/2008 20:15:17
#2 you are correct, the N30 hasn't been axed completely, it still runs Saturday and Sunday mornings. Just a wee error from EEN.

At present during the week night buses do not run past Eastfield. I'm actually going to put an email to LB about this as I think it's disgraceful. OK don't have the 26, 30 AND 44 going out there, but we should at least have one night service!

Best Bus Company in the UK? Not for long!
62

snoopy,

Still waiting an eternity on a night bus to Mussel 18/11/2008 20:19:42
I forgot to say before, most of this is probably due to the impending trams! (which by the way had another price increase and delay today!)
63

tumshie heid,

18/11/2008 21:30:56
#67 Foo The hypocrisay of your post is most entertaining!
So its ok for you to make derogatory remarks as these are "toungue in cheek" but when met with some retaliatory remarks you take the huff!!
64

James (1),

18/11/2008 21:35:58
#67 Wait a minute, before becoming all indignant, are you saying what you wrote was not being very insulting but just tongue in cheek?
I think me saying you bought a mail order wife is less personal (and it could be true) and certainly less of an insult than what you said which was "having married your cousin, big Marge-fat-lump McWaddle".
You set the bench mark of what is and what is not acceptable. So if you want to apologise we can start again? You choice!

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Ach well...,

At the bus stop... 18/11/2008 22:14:58
"... due to the need for more drivers for the extra buses it needs for the tram diversions"

By this I assume that Mr Craig of Lothian Buses has not used any of his "extra buses" on the No. 8 route. They certainly can't cut that service back because there is no such thing as frequency there. They should provide arm chairs, blankets and heaters at all No.8 bus stops.
67

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/11/2008 22:19:01
i.have.run.out.of.words.about.this.bloody.shambles
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18/11/2008 22:25:55
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tumshie heid,

18/11/2008 22:58:00
Foo your wife is just a figment of your online persona. Nobody could be married to such a fool as you.
70

East Lothian Boy,

EL 19/11/2008 00:03:37
so, with rooute cuts to east lothian, no routes to west lothian and a few to mid lothian... why do they still call themselves 'Lothian Buses'??

NB i notice all the 26s, 30s and 44s still say 24 hours, 7 days a week... Lets take them to court over false advertising!!!
71

Way Out West,

19/11/2008 09:38:59
It wouldn't surprise me if all routes ended up running within the city boundary before too long.

Passengers of East Lothian and Midlothian - enjoy your Lothian Buses service while it lasts!!!
72

James (1),

19/11/2008 10:35:14
#76 I feel your loss! Double whammy cause you sold the doll as well! Never rains etc...
However word of advice, the next wife you purchase (was there a warranty on the last one? You might get some money back?)make sure you get one that drives. The last one would have slowed you down. Who in this day and age cannot drive?
P.S. make sure the new one can drive on British roads and remember pulling a rickshaw is not driving.
73

Bob 2,

19/11/2008 13:00:23
81 you mean enjoy your low fares while you can.

just watch the fares go shooting up

£1.10 will soon be £1.50.

Of course given the state of Lothian Buses, what future do they have FIRST must be laughing just now
and waiting in the wings.


 

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