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Axed buses on road for reprieve in £300k plan



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Published Date: 01 August 2008
SOME of the city's under-threat bus services could have a temporary reprieve under plans being considered by council chiefs.
City leaders have identified eight Lothian Buses routes which they say have the highest social value and are contemplating spending £300,000 on keeping them going for six months to see if Lothian Buses' financial position improves.

Among the rout
es which could be saved are the number 13 Blackhall to Lochend and the number 18 Gyle to the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary. Any cash to save the bus routes would have to come from existing council budgets.

Lothian Buses is looking to axe or curtail 16 of its services by October as it struggles to break even in the face of soaring fuel prices and dipping passenger numbers blamed on trams disruption.

New figures released by the company show it made a £753,000 loss in the first 28 weeks of the year and is projected to face a £4.7 million jump in costs this year because of huge increases in fuel, employment and pension costs.

Among the other options being considered by city leaders is a redistribution of its £1m-per-annum bus subsidies to try and spread their benefits.

Plans put forward by officials would see the 38 Muirhouse to ERI service changed from a 20-minute to hourly service and the subsidy saving redeployed elsewhere.

Campaigners today vowed to fight the cuts, claiming the council had a duty to thousands of people who rely on these services.

Tina Woolnough, chairwoman of Blackhall Community Association, which led a recent campaign to save the number 13 service from Blackhall to Lochend, said:

"This council cannot turn its back on the huge social need which all of these under-threat services provide – the buck stops with them and they need to make every effort to make sure people are not stranded.

"Lothian Buses is blaming the drop in passengers on the tram disruption, a scheme which this administration brought to the city, so it is up to the council to sort out the mess it causes."

The services which could temporarily be subsidised by the council are the 13, 18, 20, 42, 60, N16, N26 and N44.

City leaders are also keen to explore if the number 20 service which loops around Chesser could attract commercial sponsorship.

Figures from Lothian Buses show the firm is facing a steep rise in employment costs of £2.7m due to the need to employ more drivers for the extra buses it needs for the tram diversions, and increased pension costs.

Lothian Buses' diesel bill has risen by £1.95m, an increase of 41 per cent on last year's fuel costs.

The city's Labour transport spokesman, Councillor Ricky Henderson, said: "The situation is deeply regrettable and I hope this is very much a last resort for Lothian Buses. It is unfortunate that its least profitable routes are those with the arguably the highest social need."

A council report into the current situation also reveals a two per cent decrease in overall passenger figures so far this year – 4.5 per cent lower than the 2.5 per cent expected growth.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "

The current situation is not unique to Edinburgh.

"We are acutely aware of how vital some of the affected services are for communities (and] are working hard to identify potential options for retaining the most socially important services."





The full article contains 581 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 August 2008 10:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses , Transport
 
1

Daft Old Git,

01/08/2008 12:06:29
Will they make up their minds...announce changes on Thursday and maybe have a reprieve on Friday...just think a bit first
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 01/08/2008 12:20:11
Must be 30 years since i have been on a bus,i will stick to my 4x4.
3

Yonthing!,

01/08/2008 12:30:36
Ironic that Edinburgh Council spent millions on promoting public transport and making the car evil, then they go and cut the public transport services.

Perhaps however I've finally found a benefit of the tram - they can't axe or divert the one route they have :)

Having said that, £450million spent on one Edinburgh tram would have subsidised an awful lot of bus services throughout Scotland if they can subsidise 8 routes for 6 months for £300,000.

That's 6,000 routes for a year, or 600 routes for 10 years for, bearing in mind the £450m is just the setup cost of the trams, not the running cost.

Just remember who's spending your money next time you vote!
4

neds-r-us,

3, Edinburgh Road, Perth 01/08/2008 12:45:25
The N27 is going to be scrapped which will greatly trouble me as I use it when in town at night.

The SNP councillors and MSPs are doing absolutely nothing despite the fact that they claimed before the election to support more buses for Edinburgh.

The SNP do not care about public transport in Edinburgh. They only care about more money for roads in Perthshire and Alex Salmond's north-east Scotland.
5

PaulB,

Edinhburgh 01/08/2008 12:49:47
The 13 bus actually provides a very good route linking areas of the city in an imaginative way. It is not well used just now because it is so infrequent. If it ran every 20 mins, more people would use it. I am sure the same is true for other routes being threatened. Perhaps is the 22 was retimed to run every 10 minutes, that would free up some buses for other routes. I hope the council can come up with this cash, because as usual it will be the less well-off and older people who will suffer. Funny how cuts always hit social work / children / the elderly and not councillors or their expenses?
6

Steven P,

edinburgh 01/08/2008 12:53:46
Could get rid of the vastly overpaid and hugely self-important board of directors and save £500 000 overnight by paying a realistic rate for the job.
7

Chancer,

01/08/2008 12:55:40
Hmm second story (see energy price story above) to try and blame "soaring fuel prices". When I checked yesterday every garage I drove passed had reduced both its unleaded and diesel prices. Something not quite right here, wonder what that could be !
8

Forrest,

Livingston 01/08/2008 13:09:22
Could they not send modified minibuses on the routes instead?
9

NorT,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 13:10:26
Lothian Buses pull this stunt everytime and the Council for it. Lothian Buses now full well that if they threaten to pull services the Council will step in and pay. This happened recently with the No18 Sunday service. This leaves Lothian Buses sitting pretty as they do not lose on these services. About time lothian Buses was taken over or Firts Bus started up in competition with them again.
10

Top Floor,

01/08/2008 13:12:12
When the Council set their budget in Feb they cut the support to subsidised bus services, how come they can now find £300k for the next 6 months.

Neil Renilson's a sharp cookie, got them just where he wants them ! Like shooting fish in a barrel !
11

Top Floor,

01/08/2008 13:13:44
#11 Sorry, NorT, you just beat me to it, great minds think alike eh ?
12

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 13:19:24
Lothian Buses and the council are very much linked up. Maybe if pay for drivers had not risen from £19,000 to over £26,000 - (36% over the last 6 years! going by the adverts on the backs of buses) then fares could have been kept lower and routes could be better served.

Lothian Buses and The Council are cutting bus services and stopping babies and small children being allowed to sit in their prams or buggies on a bus - what a forward thinking transport policy! This will really encourage more people to give up their cars.....

13

Megan H,

01/08/2008 13:20:49
#5 what nonsense. The SNP councillors voted against the trams. If you read the article you will see that the increased costs to LRT are being caused by the trams. Lay the blame at the door of the people who voted for this huge expensive project
14

Brian Ferrari,

01/08/2008 13:37:51
Has anyone asked the question as to whether the Council is ALLOWED to use public money to subsidise a bus company that is competing with private sector companies?

15

Top Floor,

01/08/2008 13:41:03
#14 Megan, SNP Cllrs voted against it but the SNP transport minister is supporting the tram project. Funny how things work out, eh ?
16

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 01/08/2008 13:41:40
It never fails, Lothian buses 'leak' a report to the Evening News, who in turn run it as a headline story and in turn the following day the council save the day.
17

Megan H,

01/08/2008 13:44:46
#16 Dead simple. It's called democracy. The government was out voted by by the Lib Dems, Labour, Tories etc. and went with the will of Parliament. The SNP government did however cap the amount of our money to be spent by the government on this project
18

Top Floor,

01/08/2008 14:10:36
#18 Megan, SNP on the council were outvoted by the other parties too, perhaps they should respect that democracy ?
19

Megan H,

01/08/2008 14:14:39
#19 they have, that is why the project is going ahead. it doesn't mean they agree with it
20

rs,

in ma house 01/08/2008 14:41:03
hold on, shouldn't these go out to tender.

They may save even more money and be able to offer a better service with the money they have saved.

why are they spending money on one Router that LOTHIAN BUSES tell us runs virtually empty most of the time?

13 Martin2 , try driving a bus, the earnings are average and you need to work a lot of overtime, basic salary based on a 39 hours week is £22k

no4 The SINGLE tramline is costing £513m, never mind all the other hidden costs, like the £300,000k to keep bus services running...the list is probably endless
21

rs,

in ma house 01/08/2008 14:43:02
no14 megan

probably NO, but you could argue that as the Majority shareholder, the council is injecting money into LB as a shareholder.
22

Megan H,

01/08/2008 14:57:55
rs no argument on that point. It seems daft to me for us to pay for the trams then also pay for the costs incurred by the buses caused by the project. These costs should be appotioned to the trams project to reflect the proper cost.
23

rs,

in ma house 01/08/2008 15:07:42
23 Megan

totally agree, TIE should be sent a bill,

Think someone made this point in an earlier post.
It would be interesting to see a total of all the hidden costs.

things like the rate relief for businesses etc

The truth is out there, but like the Scottish Parliament Building, we shall never know the true costs of the tramline.
24

I love to eat Sellotape,

01/08/2008 15:14:43
Who gets to "axe" the buses? Are members of the public able to participate?
25

Grumpy,

01/08/2008 15:40:44
#15 has a perfectly valid point - these routes should be put out to tender and not subsidised simply because the council has a vested interest in Lothian Bus. I understood that all local government were required to tender out for services and that any tander acceptance is open for public scrutiny.

Insider dealing here meethinks!

Let Munros, Horsburgh's, Eve Coaches, even First Bus have an opportunity here.

And if the frequcny was improved, maybe more people would use the services. An hourly service to go to the ERI? And will it be timed to coincide with visiting hours?
26

Maisie from Morningside,

01/08/2008 16:37:19
Perhaps the cuts are necessary to cover the juicy bonuses to be paid to the Lothian Buses fatcats next year.
27

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 01/08/2008 17:48:21
Ha Ha Ha First bus run a service, what a joke !

I remember when First started running a service to Chesser, I used it once and the bus stopped at Gorgie and the driver refused to go any further as it was the end of his shift and no relief driver was there. Needless to say after 30 minutes he decided he had to take the bus load of passengers on to Princes St, and that was it.
28

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:00:43
FIRST bus run a service, if anyone thinks Lothian Buses are bad, then FIRST would win a prize for being the WORST.

Fare always increasing
A Few Buses
29

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:05:26
given that FIRST have been up at the traffic commissioners more times than I've posted comments, You Definitely Do Not Want FIRST

search the Evening News wesbite and you'll find a score of reports for bing called up to the traffic commissioners for FAULTY buses, some that bas that they had enforcement notices put on them.

FIRSTs latest trick is to give there old buses (sorry Nearly New buses) a quick lick of paint and a new orange digital display on the front to make you think that they have new buses.

Only when you get on them to realise that its the 10 plus year old bangers.
30

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:16:45
grumpy

you'll probably find that many of these services had better frequencies.

But like many bus routes, people use there cars instead of the bus, result less passengers, the route becomes uneconomical, so the bus companies reduce the frequency and the above starts again.

There was a bus route in Musselburgh some years ago run by FIRST.

FIRST announced that due to lack of passengers, they where cutting the evening service.

Result a petition was started, thousands signed it

FIRSTs response was if that all these people had used the service they could have run a 10min service.

they can't just win
31

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:21:58
given that FIRST have been up at the traffic commissioners more times than I've posted comments, You Definitely Do Not Want FIRST

search the Evening News wesbite and you'll find a score of reports for being called up to the traffic commissioners for FAULTY buses, some that bad that they had enforcement notices put on them.

FIRSTs latest trick is to give there old buses (sorry Nearly New buses) a quick lick of paint and a new orange digital display on the front to make you think that they have new buses.

Only when you get on them to realise that its the 10 plus year old bangers.
32

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:25:37
no 8 the chancer

do a bit of research,

How much was DERV/Petrol 3 or 4 years ago ?
How much was a single on a Bus 3 or 4 years ago ?

tell us how much they have went up

you'll find £1 for a single is still cheap!!!!
33

Newly,

Muirhouse 01/08/2008 18:30:17
@ #5, neds-r-us

How do you know the N27 is affected??
I read in the Metro today with shock that Lothian Buses is slashing 16 routes...
Went into a LB office and they adviced nothing is decided yet - all speculations..

"Slashing 16 routes" - will that be 16 comletely Bus Numbers?? For example, no more 13 or 36 or whatever number whatsoever??? Or will it be "No more sunday service for 42" or someting like this???

If fist option - that would be nearly half of all buses in Edinburgh!!!
I am panicking here as I am taking the No 32 to work every day and I have to admit it's not the most fequent and used bus (never completely full..), but I would get into REAL trouble if the No 32 would no longer run at all!!!!! I'm too scared to even think about it!!

And as for N27 - Yes! I am using this as well so not good news.

Does anyone knows more details about all this???

Thanks
Nina (very frequent bus commuter!!)
34

Pond Hall,

01/08/2008 18:32:11
The petrol price has risen from 80p a litre at the start of 2005 to around 114p today. That's an increase of 42% in three and a half years.

now how much has the £1 bus fare increase since then?

well ZERO if you buy your ticket from one of the on street machines or buy city singles

On-bus, the increase is only 10%
35

dancing ship,

01/08/2008 19:39:19
THE CUTS ARE HAPPENING

THERE ARE GOING AHEAD!!!!!

http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp

if you look on that website under 31st of July SCOTLAND AREA: if come up with:


PM0000002/59 LOTHIAN BUSES PLC T/A LOTHIAN BUSES, 55 ANNANDALE STREET, EDINBURGH, EH7 4AZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Lochend (Findlay Gardens) and Blackhall (March Road) given service number 13 effective from 05-Oct-2008.

PM0000002/72 LOTHIAN BUSES PLC T/A LOTHIAN BUSES, 55 ANNANDALE STREET, EDINBURGH, EH7 4AZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Edinburgh, Princes Street and Edinburgh, Burdiehouse given service number N27 effective from 06-Oct-2008.

PM0000002/100 LOTHIAN BUSES PLC T/A LOTHIAN BUSES, 55 ANNANDALE STREET, EDINBURGH, EH7 4AZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Asda Chesser and Asda Chesser given service number 20 effective from 06-Oct-2008.

PM0000002/139 LOTHIAN BUSES PLC T/A LOTHIAN BUSES, 55 ANNANDALE STREET, EDINBURGH, EH7 4AZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Ocean Terminal and Ferniehill given service number N11 effective from 06-Oct-2008.

So as there now Offical, there getting cut! the rest will be probably be up soon.
36

dancing ship,

01/08/2008 19:42:45
also No34, Newly:

18: 32 Will become Peak times only

Service 21 will should now operate every 30mins to Wester hails instead of gyle, But there will be NO links between Muirhouse - Wester hail during the day.

Here an idea
we can;t there divert these 21, via Murhouse and granton.
37

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 20:50:45
Anyone who thinks this situation is caused by the trams is only deluding themselves - central government does not subsidise local bus services (which for those struggling to understand this, is where the tram money has come from). If the money had not gone to the trams, it would have been lost to the city.
38

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 01/08/2008 20:52:35
By the way, the point could also be made that money going to the M74 extension could also be put towards subsidising buses - it is exactly the same pot of money as the trams. Never mind, though, I am sure nothing will convince some people who think trams are responsible for all our problems, no matter what evidence is presented to them.
39

Waspy100,

01/08/2008 21:36:50
#12
Dont see many 4x4 pushbikes these days
40

La5t_minit,

01/08/2008 22:44:52
So can find money to pump money into keeping buses running to help a few but wont help the many by reducing council tax?. Idiots
41

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01/08/2008 23:43:15
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42

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 02:43:12
39 David Harrington

Deluded green nutjob.
43

CRAGman,

02/08/2008 02:49:57
#43 - at least Mr Harrington knows what he's talking about. You don't seem to want to go that trouble.
44

geekpie,

forfar 02/08/2008 12:07:01
Good news.

We need to keep routes with social value. Even if they're not making money now, they might be in 2 years time.

By providing good public transport, we set the foundations of a system where cars, if they choose to come into the city, can justifiably be taxed much more heavily.
45

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04/08/2008 07:12:42
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04/08/2008 07:17:07
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47

AB's,

04/08/2008 10:27:18
why dont they look into cutting back on services such as the 22, 26 and 31 during off peck hours. there are tones of these buses during the day and between 10am and 4pm, there is hardly anyone on them. another service like this is the 37.
I am not saying stop these services, but instead of having them running every 15-20 mins during off peak hours, change it to every half hour or hour.
Last time i was at a bus stop waiting on a first bus (half hour wait) 4+ 22 buses went past.. with no more than 2 people on each, a dozen 26 went past again pretty empty... and they seem to come in two's every ten mins!

I dont know, maybe I am just jealous that first bus dont run any services like this.
48

Ctebe,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 17:41:19
What's wrong with just increasing the price of the night buses? You could probably put a pound on a nightsaver and most people would grumble and bite the bullet - it'd still be cheaper than a taxi.
49

dancing ship,

05/08/2008 23:54:29
There alot of other changes happening!!!!!!!!

so watch out, and there are going ahead on the 5th October!!!!
50

Sods Law,

EDINBURGH 07/08/2008 11:27:05
ABs right
51

Graem3s,

16/08/2008 19:10:43
# 48 - the 26s dont all start at the same place, one starts at seton sands and the other tranent... do you prefer people walk 2 miles to get the same bus??

oh... and howe can they say the n44 makes no money... its always pretty full when im on it...

 

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