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Hand us £165m share of Olympic funding, SNP tells Westminster



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Published Date: 26 June 2008
WESTMINSTER is facing a wave of pressure from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to give the devolved administrations a share of Olympic regeneration funds.
At the first joint ministerial committee (JMC) in six years, First Ministers Alex Salmond, Rhodri Morgan and Peter Robinson called on the Treasury to give a proportionate amount of cash to their electorate.

The SNP insists that for Scotland, this
would be worth £165 million alone in Barnett "consequentials", or more than £40 million a year until the 2012 Games.

John Swinney, the finance secretary, said the meeting, held in a dungeon under the House of Commons chamber and chaired by Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, was "courteous and frank".

Mr Swinney said that "no reasonable person" could think that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be entitled to their share of the regeneration money from the Olympics. "All the devolved administrations have a shared point of view on this," he said.

Mr Morgan, the Labour First Minister of Wales, agreed that the meeting had been cordial.

"A fly on the wall from Mars wouldn't have been able to tell which party an individual minister came from," he said.

The Treasury has ruled this out, however, and Whitehall insiders claim that the devolved administrations already have their share of the cash through the Comprehensive Spending Review, the three-year spending deal.

A Treasury spokesman said: "The Olympics were won for the whole UK, with support from the devolved administrations, and the whole of the UK will benefit from the Games. The Olympics' budget delivers the venues and required supporting infrastructure for them, and as the Olympics are a UK-wide Games, there are no Barnett consequentials."

The issue will now be sent back to the committee where it will be put into a newly agreed arbitration process – one of the other developments to emerge from yesterday's meeting.

Mr Salmond welcomed the arbitration process, saying the JMC was at last a mechanism by "which things can be properly judged".

He added: "The Treasury will no longer be judge and jury in their own court and I believe that you get the chance of a better, fairer dialogue."

He said of the Olympic regeneration wrangle that "other cases may be more arguable but that one is beyond dispute in my view".

Both Scotland and Wales have also pushed for the legislation surrounding the Marine Bill to be tidied up.

Scotland wants to wrest jurisdiction away from Westminster for control of conservation to the 200-mile boundary with international waters.

But the UK government said that any legislative changes to the devolution settlement needed to be considered separately, and should not stand in the way of the Bill.

The JMC also discussed renewable energy with all the administrations agreeing to play their part in helping meet targets for 2020.

The meeting aired relations between the administrations and the next meeting will take place in the autumn.

JMC meeting itself is a satisfactory outcome for Salmond

FOR Alex Salmond, the meeting of the joint ministerial committee was as much about the process as the outcome.

It has been one of the SNP's early aims to revive the machinery of the JMC, after the procedure was left to languish in the days when Labour ruled both Holyrood and London.

With an SNP administration in Scotland and a "rainbow" coalition in Wales, the formal structure of the JMC will be an important tool for dispute resolution. All the devolved administrations agree on the need to get their hands on Olympic regeneration cash. The JMC would be used as an effective lobby to squeeze more money out of the Treasury.



Making a rare appearance at Westminster yesterday, Mr Salmond cut a relaxed figure. He was keen to stress the progress on the Marine Bill, less keen to highlight the looming financial rows over issues such as the local income tax and any consequent shortfalls.

In pointing to the Marine Bill, Mr Salmond said he wanted all elements involving the Scottish seas devolved to Holyrood, but, like Scottish independence, he knows there will be no immediate agreement.

Part of his strategy is to play the great statesman, chip away at Westminster's rule over Scotland, scoring small victories along the way.

Perhaps underscoring this, Mr Salmond did something he does not normally do: he made a small joke at his own expense, telling journalists that he had turned up on the Planning Bill in Westminster only to discover that the SNP had agreed to abstain on it.







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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2008 10:41 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: London Olympics 2012
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 26/06/2008 01:46:21
"the whole of the UK will benefit from the Games"

This must be one of Westminster's fairy tales. How, exactly, will any part of the YUK, outside of London, benefit in any way from these games?

London are already stealing £187 million from lottery good causes funding for Scotland to help subsidise the games. Moreover, the final cost of the games will end up at around $30 billion, most of which will have to come from the taxpayers. As most of this money will be spent in regenerating parts of London, it will end up, once again, with everyone, including Scotland, subsidising London.

Finally, if we are still involved in any illegal wars, we should all boycott the London games.

2

S'me,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 02:15:51
Achh, stop being so mealy mouthed and enjoy the games...
3

Guga II,

Rockall 26/06/2008 02:53:24
#2. Yes, let's enjoy the games, and ignore the activities of war criminals (Broon & Co.) and gangsters (Chinese government) and the resultant deaths from their activities.

4

somerferg,

perth 26/06/2008 04:39:10

Spot on Guga . I guess us peasants will just have to stop expecting to receive the benefits of our own resources to keep the great unwashed in Engerland happy so the monkeys with red rosettes will have a chance of re-election.
5

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 26/06/2008 06:56:48
I agree with Guga. I have withdrawn from all the Olympic contests for which I qualified, as a protest.
6

Traquir , Alba,

26/06/2008 07:01:47
This is utterly humiliating , now we need to beg
for thebreadcrumbs from our South East "investments" !

From an Economic Impact analysis of the London
Olympics (see tinyurl.com/6my6gp ) we have :

"The implication of this is that for the rest of the UK (excluding London), London 2012 will have a negative
impact on GDP of c.£4 billion caused by the displacement of resources and activities towards London."

"A change in the number of businesses created is also
forecast and implies a considerable negative impact to
the rest of the UK (excluding London) resulting
from business closure or displacement towards the
London economy."

"Again this implies a huge negative effect on jobs in the rest of the UK (excluding London)"

And this report was before the massive and obscene
cost over runs from the original estimate of
£4 billion to now at least £14 billion see - tinyurl.com/6p43bv

Additionally £184 million has been taken from the Scottish lottery . see - tinyurl.com/6pyd43

On top of all that the "positive" impact we are told the games will means that it counts towards
Scotlands expenditure in the latest GER Report and
will do so in subsequent GERS reports !! As of
course do our involuntary contributes to Trident,
The Iraq War, etc.
see - tinyurl.com/6m9lsm

Scotland is just being treated with absolute disdain and likely the most we will get out of this that our begging for breadcrumbs from the masters
table might, just might mean we recover a
small portion of our "investment". Scotland
needs to be rid of these British parasites
as quickly as possible.
7

donald,

glasgow 26/06/2008 07:41:52
Boycott the Imperial English cricket team.
8

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 07:51:28
#7 - think you'll find all tables sold for Scotland V England at the Grange already. Lloyds TSB out there in force as no issues with banking sector at senior shindig level. When too embarresed to make bonus payments, let staff have perks in other ways.

9

I should be studying,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 08:39:37
I'd be interested to know how much the Glasgow Commonwealth Games will cost and how much British taxpayers money is going to help fund that. I don't think that it will be solely funded by Scottish taxpayers. What about the Commonwealth games in Manchester a few years back, I didn't hear any complaints about their funding. There should be a new olympic sport for whinging and whining; when Scotland is independednt it can enter it's own team and win Gold Silver and Bronze.
10

Boy Wonder,

26/06/2008 09:24:47
Boycott the London Games!!

Free Scotland (and Wales ... and Northern Ireland ... and Cornwall ... and Rockall ... and, oh everyone else too!)
11

Alan B,

26/06/2008 09:30:57
#9

I seem to remember that the UK government refused to bail out the commonwealth games in edinburgh.

The point if it is in scotland it would be a scottish event if london a british event.

We only have to compare the input of the british government when pushing for the olympics or a football tournament in england to when scotland bid for the euro football competition.
12

Alan B,

26/06/2008 09:39:24
It is interesting that Morgan the labour leader in wales will stand up for Wales against labour in london in a way that labour in scotland refuse to.
13

Arrow,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 09:44:35
according to the Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses 2007 the total public identifiable expenditure on Services in London is £60,629,000,000 in 2007/8; in Scotland £41,594,000,000. Taken per skull (the favourite figure for mertocentric newspapers) that is £8550 for London and Scotland £8554. i do not beleive that that takes into account the funding of the cross rail (£16 billion) or the Games (watch this space). its the rest of the UK, including all of the English regions, underwriting London's.
14

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 26/06/2008 10:28:03
#6 "Scotland needs to be rid of these British parasites as quickly as possible."

errr - don't you mean 'Scottish parasites'?

Gordon Brown - Scottish: Chancellor when this deal was done

Tony Blair - Scottish - Prime Minister when this was done

Alastair Darling - Scottish - Chancellor currently

It is the UK government that has been run by a succession of incompetent, war-mongering, Scottish neo-marxists for the last 11 years.
Well, make the most of the tartan mafia - you won't see it again in your lifetime after the total economic disaster that Blair, Brown, darling, Alexander and Browne have inflicted on us all.

15

John south of Soutra,

26/06/2008 12:26:43
Tweedmouth,
I think that will find that Alistair Darling was in fact born in London - so by your reasoning he is English if your are classing Tony Blair as Scottish - he was educated at that bastion of socialism - Loretto school in Musselburgh and Edinburgh Uunversity, he obviously saw how easy it would be to become a politian in Scotland by joining the Scottish Labour party.
I also find in strange that someone living in Scotland should such anti-scottish feelings,I agree that they have been imcompetent but that has nothing to do with their nationality
16

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 26/06/2008 12:29:59
#15 John.

Being born in a cabbage patch does not make one a cabbage. One's nationality is not just an accident of birth.
17

Teofilio Cubillas,

26/06/2008 12:36:16
15

Beat me to it. Typical Daily Mail rubbish from #14. Just because Tony Blair was born in Scotland does not make him Scottish. Likewise, Darling (born in London) is not English. As for war-mongering, I think the blame there lies morea accurately with Blair (English), Straw (Foreign Secretary at the time - English) and Hoon (Defence Secretary at the time - English). Brown was too feart of losing the great prize to resign over such a trifling matter such as principle though.
18

The Scotchman,

26/06/2008 14:01:52
14

Gordon Brown - North British

Tony Blair - was only ever Scottish after the Iraq war. How long before David Cameron is Scottish?

Alastair Darling - ask Rod Stewart
19

Joe,

Holding the Union Jack 26/06/2008 14:16:27
How dare the SNP tar our proud nation with their nationalistic rabble-rousing.
Do they realise how much damage they are doing to our image Worldwide?
Gimmie-Gimmie Jimmies? The Olympics are an all-UK event for UK athletes.
I'll be cheering on the UNITED KINGDOM. How many will be booing the Scots athletes due the SNP's constant alienation?
20

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 26/06/2008 16:03:40
BBC SCOTLAND.
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Labour leader faces one-day ban
Wendy Alexander

Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander should be banned from parliament for one day after breaking donation rules, a Holyrood committee has recommended.

The parliament's standards committee ruled that she failed to declare donations to her leadership campaign on her MSPs' register of interests.

Parliament, now in summer recess, will have to wait until September to vote on the recommendation.

The committee ran out of time as it met privately to consider the case.

Ms Alexander said she acted in good faith and in line with initial written guidance from parliamentary officials in the case.
21

monkey man,

26/06/2008 16:26:09
They should have an all British football team permanently after the Olympics are finished. Scotland are a joke and embarrass the rest of Britain time after time.
22

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 26/06/2008 18:02:09
# 16 Rulesbutnotrulers,

"#15 John.

Being born in a cabbage patch does not make one a cabbage."

You are clearly the exception to this rule, rules.
23

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 26/06/2008 18:04:21
#21

Monkeysh't, you are an embarrassment to the simian race.

Barely anyone agrees with you. Don't tar us with the Rangers issue either; england fans abroad have a pretty poor reputation too in case you forgot.
24

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 26/06/2008 18:04:55
Wee wendy banned from parliament.

Read all about it anywhere but here.

Hear all about it - anywhere but straight from her mooth - great timing that sore throat.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Spin on this one liebourites, if you can. Guilty and banned and no plans to appeal, says it all.
25

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 26/06/2008 18:16:12
I must apologise, you can now post about this story on this site.

See "Alexander should be suspended, committee rules"

Currently available to post on on this site. For now.
26

Waspy100,

26/06/2008 19:24:19
#22/23/24/25
Away to bed and sober up.
You can still bore us tomorrow if it pleases.
27

Waspy100,

26/06/2008 19:32:33
Now as for #21. Are you an embittered Scot that hates Scotland due to you own inadequacies.
Or do you just like a moan now and again.
28

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 26/06/2008 19:53:36
Sorry you can't cope with bendywendy being banned for being bent. Not much of an attempt at a stinging rebuke by you really, stripeybawbag.
29

monkey man,

26/06/2008 20:10:51
#27

I'm a Glaswegian first, then British. Anything else is superfluous....including the shame that is the Scottish national football side.
30

Waspy100,

26/06/2008 20:15:59
#21
Sorry my friend but your posts don't make sense to anyone but yourself.
And by the way . What have your comments have to do with the article?
The article should about getting some back of what the Scots pay into the Olympic fund to train our athletes and build new facilities in Scotland, sadly that dosnt seen to be happening and all they are worrying about is getting a few bob back.
Personally I think the whole idea of the Olympics in the UK is a complete waste of money, time and effort


31

Waspy100,

26/06/2008 20:17:28
#29 Im a Scotsman
32

Waspy100,

26/06/2008 20:24:48
monkey
if you dont like the Scots stop giving your opinion (or moans and moans and--) about them and go to where you will be happiest though where that is who knows.
33

Traquir , Alba,

26/06/2008 20:48:45
29 monkey man,

"I'm a Glaswegian first, then British. Anything else is superfluous.."

And there was I thinking the
Labour Red Rosette on A Monkey
was just an urban legend, apparently not :)
34

Rannie,

Edinburgh 23/08/2008 19:00:46
#1 - please do boycott the London games. With your whining attitude it would be better if you were no were near the place.

It seems a shame that so many nationalists seem so intent on politicising sport, Salmond being the worst bandwaggon jumper of the lot. Very dull, and wholly predictable. I am a unionist, but almost want independence so people stop boring me to death talking about it.

#6 - whether you like it or not, a huge amount of revenue is generated by London each year to the benefit of the whole of the UK. So this argument about the games only benefiting London, while true in many ways, is redundant on the back of everything else that London does for the UK year in year out. And I don't even like London that much. But it is the financial workhorse of the UK.

And you keep on quoting tinyurl.com/6pyd43 - oh, I see. It's an SNP website - no propoganda there then! "British parasites" - you really have a nerve and I regret that you are British, even though I'm glad that even maggots like you are entitled to express an opinion.
35

scottish person,

paisley 26/08/2008 09:03:50
did monkey man fall over his rosette.
The scottish team dont embarrass me as much as the engerland supporters. I dont expect the Scotland side to do as well as the engerland side. They have almost twice as many to choose from. If we do well, its a bonus. When they dont its embarrassing, especially listening to the likes of linekar hansen and co.
36

G,

dundy 26/08/2008 10:17:33
Convienent for the SNP - to bring up this rubbish when their alreaedy diluted promise to recruit more police has been shown to be failing...stir up a bit more anti-English feeling, use weasel words to turn a triumph for the UK athletes into a petty squabble...easier than running the gov, delivering on promises etc. We can all see what slimy Salmond is up to....
37

WHISTLEBLOWER,

26/08/2008 14:48:41
"stir up a bit more anti-English feeling"

I don't hate the English, only being ruled from/by England.

The English are a fine people, but they would resent being a province of anything else themselves.

By the way, the English flag will be BANNED at the London Olympics. No St George's flag allowed.

 

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