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Published Date:
12 September 2007
EDINBURGH'S environmental wardens have come under fire after a big fall in the number of fines dished out for offences such as littering and dog fouling.
Latest figures show the Capital's 32 wardens issue on average just one fine a week each - around half the number handed out by their counterparts in Glasgow.

Littering fines now account for fewer than half of all fixed penalty notices, despite the introduction of the smoking ban which was expected to see offences rocket.

Council chiefs today defended the record of the city's wardens, saying their role went far beyond simply dishing out the £50 fixed penalty notices.

But Mark McInnes, the city's Tory environment spokesman, said the drop in fines was concerning. He said: "I am very surprised at these figures.

"It would be nice to think it is because fewer people are littering but the experience of most people across the city, and certainly the people who write to me, is that, if anything, there is more litter.

"It does seem to be a low amount of fines and I would have thought there would have been an increase in the litter fines specifically given the impact of the smoking ban. I hope the council will give more support to the wardens, and I would like to see more of them on the streets."

The council first introduced environmental wardens in 2001, giving them the power to issue £50 fines. The new figures show the total number of fines issued in Edinburgh fell from 2042 in 2005/06 to 1657 in 2006/07.

Litter fines have dropped from 687 in to 527 - or just over one per warden per month.

Fines relating to the disposal of domestic and trade waste, which account for the majority of offences, were cut from 1061 to 954. When it comes to dog fouling, the number of tickets handed out has also fallen from 289 to 164.

Edinburgh's Labour environment spokeswoman, Maureen Child, whose party was behind the introduction of the city's wardens, said: "You have to look beyond the raw figures when you consider the role that wardens play in Edinburgh.

"They are not solely handing out fines. I think their presence has been welcomed on the streets and they are leading to a drop of the number of people offending.

"You have to remember that it was not so long ago that local authority's were not able to prosecute for dropping litter, so progress is being made."

In March, Edinburgh's streets were given their highest-ever cleanliness rating by environmental watchdog Keep Scotland Beautiful. Edinburgh's overall score was 70 - the highest in the eight years that the inspections have been carried out.

Councillor Paul Edie, the city's housing leader, said, "Our environmental wardens deal with a wide range of issues including abandoned vehicles, vehicle emission enforcement, litter dropping and fly-tipping.

"Their work is both proactive - patrolling and inspecting areas - and reactive - dealing with complaints and inquiries. Their priority is not one of heavy-handed fine issuing but primarily to educate the public in the long run and to make sure the cities streets are kept as litter-free as possible.

"While it was suggested the smoking ban would dramatically increase smoking-related litter, we have worked tirelessly with both businesses in the city, and the public, in order to ensure that this didn't become an issue."

It emerged last month that more than 200 of the £50 fines have been handed out to people caught putting rubbish out for collection on the wrong day or leaving it next to an overflowing wheelie bin.

The full article contains 607 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 September 2007 10:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Litter
 
1

Daft Old Git,

12/09/2007 11:19:51

You can see people dropping litter every time you are on a street. Perhaps if the wardens didn't always wear bright fluorescent jackets they would detect more people

2

Colin G,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 11:26:32

How much does this bureaucratic machinery cost us?

32 wardens salaries and other benefits? The management? The machinery to deal with the fines/non payers and all the rest of it?

3

inter alia,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 12:09:12

#2 Colin G: As public sector employees they are likely to be classed as 'low paid'. It is highly probable their savings will be low. Net earned pay will be spent on consumption within the Edinburgh area. This in turn will sustain [or increase] employee demand. You write as if 'public expenditure = bad'.

4

Most Frustrated,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 12:14:34

The vast majority of litter droppers are kids, particularly secondary school kids during their lunchtime. Get the wardens to patrol outside Edinburgh's secondary school and they might find themselves exceeding their targets. Oh but wait a minute I don't think you can hand out fines to kids - doh - better still, make their parents pay the fine - maybe if they were brought up to put their litter in bins we wouldn't have such a problem.

Maybe if there were more litter bins available at least some would use them - afterall it's not cool to be seen wandering about with your mates with a empty chip wrapper or pot noodle tub.

5

Colin G,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 12:21:42

Re 3. I don't like litter on the streets.

I agree with the comments about the nature and payment for this job, and I wonder if there is a built in disillusionment together with this job which might mean that over time fewer tickets are handed out.

My point was that the Council are talking about closing schools, nurseries, sports facilities, elderly care facilities etc. And hundreds of thousands of pounds are spent on litter wardens (separate from the environmental health?). Your arguments about local spending etc are probably fair enough - but by extension why doesn't the Council recruit some wardens to check that people are brushing their teeth in the morning? Or other similar 'job creation' schemes?

My view is that much of the Council's public expenditure is utterly wasted.

6

Voice of Questionable Reason,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 12:37:11

Everyone should have a monthly food litter allowance by weight (kilograms), calculated and deducted at the supermakets, takeaways etc via your national identity card. If you suprass the limit you can either starve, resort to begging, become a freegan or start thieving. Maybe then all you sinners will take a tupperware box along McDonalds!

7

CBJ,

12/09/2007 13:12:55

So after reading this article on paper, someone will throw it anyway.. so whats use of it.

I agree with #4 where you can tackle the issue by giving enough blow to the roots.

8

Olicana,

Zog 12/09/2007 13:23:02

#4 Quite agree. Outside Broughton High School and Waitrose at lunchtime would be a warden's paradise!

9

mary hinge,

edinburgh 12/09/2007 13:25:18

#1

which is to be..... luminous jackets? or undercover in vans, waiting to pounce?

wasn't it only last week we were complaining about 'entrapment' policies used by traffic wardens?

jesus, ye jist cany f****n win!

10

Daft Old Git,

12/09/2007 13:43:27

#9
I never complained about entrapment policies! At least it would make louts look around before they chuck away their litter

11

Ghengis McCann,

12/09/2007 14:07:33

#1 and 10, Daft Old Git - Yes. You most certainly are.

12

Dolly Day Dream,

12/09/2007 14:14:23

#8 Broughton High School kids ought to be thrown off the buses for littering too.

13

Henry Smith,

12/09/2007 15:03:40

This is complete waste of time!

Absolute nonsense.

14

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 12/09/2007 15:06:56

Retrain 30 of them as road sweepers and the litter litter eyesore will reduce. They can then remove thousands of times more than their pitiful 1 item per month.

The remaining 2 wardens can be deployed at known "hotspots" ie. Tynecastle & Easter Road matchdays.

15

mary dean,

dean village 12/09/2007 15:29:50

Enviromental Wardens
In the Dean Village we have an excellent team of wardens led by Sophie Moore.They patrol regularly,respond to problems promptly and efficiently.Their effectiveness is undermined by anti-social residents using the litter bins forhousehold waste and selfish passing visitors especially in the early hours.They may choose to waste their Council Tax but I object to them wasting mine. Is there a spare camera available.
Mary McParland (can be published as letter if wished)

16

inter alia,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 15:43:07

#5: Colin G: Thank you for your comments. Clearly you are right in your example of employing wardens to check dental hygiene. The multiplier effect is at its highest when the propensity to save is at its lowest: there's nothing magic here. My concern is about the influence of [what are taken to be] Adam Smith's views on the role of the State in society. It is the mantra of Dave and his followers. Is this the reasoning behind " .. much of the Council's public (sic)expenditure is utterly wasted"

17

foz,

The burgh 12/09/2007 16:01:29

Although I don't drop litter, surely if someone asked for your name and address you would give them a fake one anyway. The guys not got the power to arrest you and its not as if you have a number plate strapped to your bum. A bit like when kids used to get stopped for being on a bike with no lights.

18

NorT,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 16:38:47

It could be that they have been effective and the numbers of offenders hgve dropped.

19

doris,

joppa 12/09/2007 16:49:40

Stand in Portobello High Street between the hours of 1230 and 1400hrs.
The place is teaming with High School children on thier lunchbreak. They chuck paper bags, crisp bags, chip wrappers, greggs bags and fag ends all over the place. The Environmental Officers look the other way because they dont want the abuse! Along comes a pensioner that can hardly walk and they nab him for dropping something. I have witnessed it.
They had a van with a camera outside the police station one morning pointed at pubs, then they moved the van and camera at 12 noon, just before the schools came out for lunch!??!

20

madrab,

edinburgh 12/09/2007 17:21:02

Maybe they should patrol the whole of the city, they would have no problem finding people allowing their dogs to foul in greendykes. Why do these patrols not cover the whole city?

21

clark,

Linlithgow 12/09/2007 17:44:37

We have the same litter problem in West Lothian.
There are 32 litter wardens and their brief is not to issue an immediate fine but to take the person's name and address and warn him.
If he does it again then he gets a "strong" letter.
Then a third time and he gets a fine.
Wow this is realy joined up thinking.
Then of course the wardens works social 09:00 to 17:00 hours.
I asked for out-of-hours patrols at the hotspots.
One area - 100 pieces of litter at £50 a bit ie £5000.
You can guess the answer.
Finally the same problem with school kids.
I was told that they could not fine those under 16 since if they did not pay then they could not be sent to the childrens panel.
Again wrong the Scottish Executive said that any child committing an offence over 6 can be.
Of course the councils pay lip service but do absolutely nothing.
Just like the police in Linlithgow who ignore cycling on the High Street pavements.
Too much trouble to get off their bu**s.
As much use as a chocolate fireguard

22

Cynic,

Dalkeith 12/09/2007 18:28:52

Hello out there. Children under 16 years are immune from fixed penalty tickets, so they can drop as much litter as they like, with impunity. Another loophole. The Reporter wouldn't like it if kiddies were fined.

23

Cynic,

Dalkeith 12/09/2007 18:32:14

#21# The age of criminal responsibility is 8. Somebody at the SE, er, SG, got it wrong.

24

clark,

Linlithgow 12/09/2007 18:50:32

23 Cynic
yep you are correct it is 8 but the little darlings according to Mumsy and Dadsy can do no wrong.
Next generation of yobos coming up.

25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 18:53:22

#22 Don't ANYONE think kids are immune look what happened with this wee toddler, its a Disgrace!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news....

26

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/09/2007 18:54:53

2 quavers that the Birds would, 'snap-in-a-minute'
How Sick can you get!

27

Cynic,

Dalkeith 12/09/2007 21:07:06

Empty crisp packets and empty head packets.

28

Jock MacSprog,

12/09/2007 21:18:14

I wouldnt blame the wardens they do a good job, but are restricted by badly written laws (our genious coucil again) for instance. You can put all manner of rubbish on your door step any day of the week and leave it for days as long as it is not actually on the public pavement. Makes a lot of sense. Compared to 10 years ago, this city is a tip and many visitors have noticed and commented on it. Just part of the continued Nedification of Edinburgh.

29

Haggis3:12,

13/09/2007 02:37:09

I think some people don't know what the Wardens do it's just not handing out Fixed Pens to people out on the Street.
If these people would just stop a warden and ask them what they do, they will tell you, they are not mean people.
Also I feel that everytime there is abit in the paper about the wardens it is always the same people ready to jump up & slang them off.
My words to you Get A Real Job....

30

mystery,

mystery 13/09/2007 09:34:02

they drive about doin nowt or walk about the quiet areas,they hide from litter louts.
has anyone seen them on a busy Friday/Saturday night up town when the hen/stag nights are about throwing chip-burger-kebab wrappers about.
i thought they also booked people for smoking like PRIVATE HIRE CAR DRIVERS + TAXI DRIVERS in their motors, never heard off or seen any getting fined..

31

IH8HERTZ,

13/09/2007 10:22:57

#29 I HATE ALL WARDENS AND GREEDY MONEY STEALING COUNCILS ..........DOES MICROBIOLOGY QUALIFY AS A REAL JOB?

32

Porty Punter,

Portobello 13/09/2007 18:18:30

My two pence!
1. The Wardens don't act on the smoking ban, that is another department within the Council.
2. Do people really think kids, ie under 16 should be taken to court and face a criminal record for littering?
3. I understand Wardens also can't act if people are under the influence, so unfortunately the weekends are a free for all if you have had a drink.
4. Ideally we wouldn't even need them, but one look at the streets compared to other European countries shows this is a general attitude problem, which needs to be tackled.
5. If the wardens had doubled the ticket numbers, the same people would still be complaining about them, but now as jobsworths.
6. I know for a fact they do far more than littering, ie wrecked cars, dog fouling, Business waste,etc etc.
7. What are the people worried about? I don't drop litter, and funnily enough have never had a fine. So it's only the lazy minority that have to worry about a fine.


 

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