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Published Date: 05 February 2009
THE disgraced Labour politician Mike Watson yesterday faced calls to quit the House of Lords, as moves to expel convicted peers from parliament gathered pace.
The Liberal Democrats said Lord Watson, sentenced to 16 months in jail after he admitted wilful fire-raising at an Edinburgh hotel, should step aside with honour and no longer attend debates in the upper House.

They plan to table amendments to imminent government proposals to tighten the rules on membership of the Lords in the wake of the "cash for amendments" scandal. Nine peers are now under suspicion, either for allegedly offering to change new laws in return for money, or in connection with jobs outside the Lords.

David Heath, the Lib Dem MP who shadows the leader of the Commons, said he wanted a retrospective ban on convicted peers – such as Lord Watson, Jeffrey Archer and Conrad Black – retaining their seats.

The call came as it emerged that Lord Watson, an independent Labour peer, had claimed thousands of pounds in allowances after being released early from prison.

He was freed on 23 May, 2006, and attended the Lords on 102 days that financial year, claiming £37,538. Since 2001, he has claimed £128,589 – £385 a day for 334 days in the chamber.

In a Commons debate about making parliament more accountable, Mr Heath said: "We have as members of the House of Lords a convicted perjurer, a convicted fraudster and a convicted fire-raiser. What a rum crew we have making laws for this country."

Mr Heath told The Scotsman yesterday: "There is a counter-argument that you can't make these things retrospective. In my view, the idea that somebody has broken the law and been imprisoned, but would have taken a different course of action had they known they would be suspended, is a pretty specious argument.

"I know that there are some legal opinions that suggest you can't make it retrospective, but for the Commons, that is as it is at the moment. If you have been convicted, then you are not eligible to take your seat. If you had been convicted previously, you would be disqualified."

Asked if Lord Watson should not be free to continue his political career after serving his sentence, Mr Heath said: "There is rehabilitation and there is putting someone into parliament. I think there is rather a leap between the two. We have very clear rules with regard to the House of Commons. There is no clear reason why they shouldn't apply to the Lords as well."

Labour back-bencher Ian Davidson, the MP for Glasgow South West, declined to comment directly on Lord Watson's case but said he backed the automatic exclusion of peers with a criminal record – regardless of when their crime had been committed.

Alistair Carmichael, MP, the Lib Dems' Scottish affairs spokesman, said Lord Watson would have been unable to retake his MSP seat at Holyrood as rules ban people sentenced to a year or more in prison.

He went on: "He started turning up here (in Westminster] because he had nowhere else to go. The House of Lords is the last refuge of the wilful fire-raiser. It rather highlights the inadequacies of the present set-up."

He added: "If he had to face the electorate to get into the House of Lords, he wouldn't be sitting where he is today."

The Ministry of Justice said it had yet to decide on rules to suspend or expel peers guilty of misconduct. But a spokesman said the government was looking at whether convicted peers could be suspended retrospectively.

£384 allowances per day for shamed peer

LORD Watson of Invergowrie became a peer in 1997, after eight years as a Labour MP.

His Lords attendance only really took off after his release from prison.

Before then, he also served as an MSP, and at times a Scottish Executive minister, between 1999 and 2005.

He attended the Lords 334 times from April 2001 to March 2008, claiming £128,589 in allowances – an average of £384 per attendance. No receipts are required for claims. Some 231 of those visits followed his release from jail. He has made 17 speeches since then and voted on 246 occasions – about average for peers.




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Nevsky;,

Moscow 04/02/2009 22:54:46
The House of Lords is fast turning into a day release centre for ex-cons and a hangout for those on bail.

Surely Scotland needs a political system that is fit for the future and not this museum piece of unaccountability, privilege and favoritism!

After all Scotland has the Labour Party for that!
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 04/02/2009 23:39:21
2 Fake:

A more accurate view of Russia can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAx1YIIdCJo
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04/02/2009 23:40:37
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 05/02/2009 00:47:54
Nevsky if you pardon the pun there is little PROSPECT of anybody reading your Blog, especially as you seem to be talking to yourself.
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05/02/2009 00:54:38
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errrrr...no,

05/02/2009 01:10:58
Yeah, and let's arrest the Lib Dems biggest donor - oh no, he's on the run from UK police
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 05/02/2009 01:35:54
No way this Labour drunk will retire from his wee nest egg. I see some of our lords are complaining that their exspences aren't high enough. They want to try living on £70 invalidity benefit.
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donald,

glasgow 05/02/2009 05:35:09
Labour sees nothing dishonourable in supporting the Monarchy, House of Lords, and Anglo Capitalist Imperialism.

Setting fire to curtains is small beer compared to setting fire to the Middle East.
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 05/02/2009 05:41:07
Watson about to do the honourable thing? What next? Gordon Brown admitting responsibility for the Brown Depression?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 05/02/2009 06:40:41
SCOTLAND IS A COUNTRY NOT A STATE OF SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Phil-Atelist,

Livingston" A roundabout way to get anywhere" 05/02/2009 07:25:09
Get Guy Fawkes back and give him a box of Swan Vestas and let him finish the job.
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Phil-Atelist,

Livingston "A roundabout way to get anywhere" 05/02/2009 07:28:05
Even better give his lordship some free alcohol and he may return to his old tricks of fire raising. If only we could be so lucky.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

05/02/2009 07:48:40
The sooner we're out of this bankrupt, immoral union the better.

SNP for a brighter future with independence
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Rodster,

Glasgow 05/02/2009 08:17:52
Memeber of the Labour Party .... do the honourable thing???
you're having a laugh ,right?
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The Tin Man,

05/02/2009 08:20:11
I must say, I am very surprised that Mr Watson was allowed back to the house of lords. Obviously, people with a serious criminal record should be barred from the house - which will probably now happen.

However, I am wholly in favour of a second house, with membership based on merit, rather than ancestory, or elections.
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Couperman,

London 05/02/2009 08:37:49
Watson destroyed a hotel and I agree he shouldn't be allowed to sit amongst the "Great and Good" making decisions for the rest of us.
Mind you that gives us a wee dilema. Where does that leave us when a woman who tried hard to destroy an entire country - Baroness Thatcher - sits happily amid the glaur that is the life blood of that hallowed house? Maybe it's time to say "Thank you and goodbye!" to the lot of them?
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

05/02/2009 08:43:23
Does anyone remember when Lord Watson was plain old 'Mike' a rather happy yet adequate MP for Glasgow Central?

He fought off a resurgent Alex Neill in 1989, and then when the boundaries were changed he went head to head with multi millionaire Mohammed Sarwar. for selection.
Sarwar's campaign was fraught with allegations of intimidation, corruption, court cases abounded, Labour were in melt down, oddly enough Sarwar's campaign manager was Margaret Curran.

Mike Watson, still a relatively young man, won the first selection process by one vote. Labour announced a second competition, which Sarwar won by a suspiciously large majority. Watson was bought off with Ermine, on the condition that he did not contest Sarwar's election as the House of Commons first Muslim MP.

I have some sympathy for the circumstances that drove Mike Watson to his current situation. When he returned to politics as an MSP for Cathcart, it was obvious that he was far brighter than most of his colleagues, he introduced the Protection of Wild Mammals bill as a member's bill, which the Scottish Parliament passed. This was before Westminster emulated the bill and banned Fox Hunting.

I suspect Watson is a tragic case. Who knows where he will finally end up.
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 05/02/2009 08:44:23
He`s met his match now the c\-/n+
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ecosseman,

facts not propaganda 05/02/2009 09:08:01
BOTH THE COMMONS AND THE LORDS ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE.THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND WILL VOTE THEM OUT.THEIR TIME IS COMING TO AN END.
ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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paulr,

edinburgh 05/02/2009 09:19:14
The time is long overdue for thr so called house of lords to be dropped, I agreed to live by the laws laid down by my legally elected government.
I do not agree that some bunch of wasters calling themselves 'lords' who were never elected, should have any power to overrule the legally elected government.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 05/02/2009 09:52:11

Isn’t Baron Foulkes of Cumnock not also a man of some conviction?
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AJ Fife,

05/02/2009 10:04:58
#33,

Foulkes should be added to the list. But on second thoughts, he's the SNPs greatest weapon!:D
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fegan,

N/Ireland 05/02/2009 10:09:14
Has the Country gone completely MAD Hoods in Government sucking out the CASH, Hoods in the Banks sucking out the CASH.
What a Fiasco it is like a banana republic All we need is Gorden to dress up in a military uniform
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 05/02/2009 10:13:50
Careful now - we know what Lord Watson does when he gets mad. I hope the curtains in the upper house are fireproof.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 05/02/2009 10:20:32
He is not the only one arsein around in there .. bom boom
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Machelpus,

05/02/2009 10:23:07
35## What a Fiasco it is like a banana republic All we need is Gorden to dress up in a military uniform>>


With a Kilt!!! as he makes his way hame to Scotland.
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Ananurhing,

05/02/2009 10:27:28
So this is what labour meant by House of Lords reform. It's a halfway house for rehabilitating convicts back into society.

Correct way to address a Lord?
Ready....Aim....Fi..no not the curtains again Watson!
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LAWSY2,

Lanark 05/02/2009 10:48:10
He should have contested Sarwar the second time , not taken the Ermine, that was his down fall , but then who was behind the ploy , our now Tax exile blair ,he wanted Sarwar to be the first muslim mp. under his premiership. Brown had a hand in it to.
His heid was never right ,after it all.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 05/02/2009 11:28:26
When you take a hard look at the standard of politicians that have been elected over recent years to Scottish Labour/New Labour that old adage "you get what you deserve with your vote" looms large on the Richter Scale. The sad fact is that the real Labour agenda of the Twenties and Thirties has been usurped by two-faced advocates hell-bent on political power. Having achieved their aim they have discredited the word LABOUR and prostituted it for greed, sleaze and even criminality. If Scotland wants to be the serf of the Union stick with Scottish Labour/New Labour. As they often sing "things can only get better". Well, it is all unravelling right in front of your eyes.
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The Master,

05/02/2009 11:28:58
#26 MacGillicuddy: " His attendance at the trough (aka Houses of Parliament) is his ONLY source of income these days."

Was he, then, deprived of the parliamentary pension which all MPs receive on leaving parliament at any age and for whatever reason?
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Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 05/02/2009 11:34:17
He could always get a job with the BBC.They are full of nutcases as well.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 05/02/2009 12:37:41
Imagine if Lord Watson managed to set fire to the upper house. There would be an awful lot of roast pork.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 05/02/2009 12:45:51
A useful smokescreen for the "cash for influence" peers - just pick on someone who's less use to the Labour party and is not perhaps one of Gordon's mates. A legitimate point perhaps but there's no sign of the current furore over corruption in the Lords being addressed in any meaningful way than a quick tuck of it under the carpet.
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Scottish 'N British,

05/02/2009 13:13:18
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There's mair than enough (hot) air and dead SNP wood over at Holyrood to keep him busy for a wee while.
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ZenBroon,

Engerland 05/02/2009 14:00:26
#46
A succinct example of the inherent anti-Scottish/anti-everybody racism at the sick heart of British nationalism.
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fiferjohn,

05/02/2009 14:04:21
there is in this day and age no need for having lords and royalty any more get rid of them and have elections for those who sit in the second house and they have to be relected every four years.
get rid of them all and abloish the titles ,no more loreds ladies dames or anything else.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 05/02/2009 14:05:26
If Gordon Brown won't lead by example why would anyone else want to do the honourable thing? Gordon resign and Call a general election. That's the honourable thing to do...
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Observer,,

Glasgow 05/02/2009 14:33:25
28 A generous and accurate assessment. Mike Watson was shafted by Labour over the tussle with Sarwar, no doubt about that, but he chose to be paid off. And he was an above average Labour MSP - just look at the clown who replaced him for contrast. He has always fought the demon drink, and on this occassion it bested him. But a lot of other people have suffered similar personal tragedies, and they don't experience the same cushioned outcome as Lord Watson.
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Lumpy Dan,

Partick 05/02/2009 15:40:41
Guffaw..pantomine season starts early for lybour..."oh no he should, oh no he shouldn't" the sozzled lords groan .
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Scottish 'N British,

05/02/2009 18:13:51
Few in the upper house can match Lord Watson.
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Lateinos,

DValley Calif USA 05/02/2009 19:26:21
For my part I would suggest that as 'false' mortgage applications have in part (large part if you listen to the Great Godro) been responsible for the current financial turmoil, then anyone guilty of such an undertaking should find themselves automatically 'barred' from government office...

A few words on the topic from Lord Mandleson might illuminate debate...

Send them all down!
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Scunner,

Aberdeen 05/02/2009 21:52:21
The House of Lords is a joke. To have unelected people given the power they have is poop. The quicker Scotland stands free of all that tosh the better.
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fiferjohn,

06/02/2009 07:38:13
get rid of all royalty and the lords lennin had the right ideal.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 06/02/2009 16:56:57
Keeping Lord Watson in the House Of Lords might be sure fire way of getting rid of the place.
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Brian the Barbarian.,

the slums 07/02/2009 17:24:33
Watson is a piece of trailer trash and the very idea that scum like him rule over us is disgusting and contributing directly to the odious state of our country.

When will this iniquity end ?
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

09/02/2009 23:01:06
I think the name "House of Lords" really says alot about the type of people who wish to be their.

Lord this, Lord that. These people are often worse than the general population for criminal behaviour.

To abuse the position and trust of the people should be punished harshly. They can do much more damage to society than the neds at the end of my street.

The whole selection of peers needs to be started again. May I suggest that we avoid ex labour MP's they have alot of criminal tendencies.

 

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