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Using Bible to dismiss embryo bill is a dangerous game that ignores benefits



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In his selective use of scripture to argue against the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, Dr Andrew Fergusson (your report, 20 May) raises the biblical statement that we are made in God's image, although he admits there is no consensus on what this means.
However, he seems to imply the likeness is physical and not necessarily spiritual and this raises some fundamental and profound issues. He quotes the Bible as saying there should be no mixing of "kinds"; this is potentially extremely damaging because
it is to this theological strain that the racial policies of extremist faux "Christian" groups such as the Ku Klux Klan address their warped views.

One might wonder if Dr Fergusson also embraces the view that the Earth is only a few thousand years old and that both Testaments of the Bible are literally true, when this is demonstrably not so.

If Dr Fergusson is a doctor, he must have had his faith in a creator God tested many times, particularly during conception and birth. Surely he must realise this is an entirely natural process with no links to any external supernatural agency, and the introduction of a scientific technique designed to use a tiny part of this process to the benefit of mankind should be lauded rather than rejected.

BRIAN ALLAN

Keith Street

Alloa, Clackmannanshire


Against the background of the debate in the House of Commons, your recent editorial comment (19 May) that "relief of suffering ranks above abstract theorising" is certainly relevant, but this is a questionable antithesis. Although Gordon Brown gave his approval, no evidence has been adduced that the creation of hybrid human-animal embryos is certain, or even likely, to lead to cures for Alzheimer's disease or other motor-neurone diseases.

The notion that individuals involved in what is labelled scientific research have no moral responsibility for what they do is dangerous. This was demonstrated by the horrendous "scientific" experiments carried out by the Nazis. These were justified on the grounds of social Darwinism: assuming victims were genetically inferior, and therefore unfit to survive in a competitive world. This assumption was fortified by the fact that the victims, like unborn babies, were completely defenceless.

(DR) DAVID PURVES

Strathalmond Road

Edinburgh


The headline of your leader refers to "abstract theorising", while the second paragraph admits "there are deep moral issues to be considered". Which is it? Moral and ethical philosophy is hardly abstract theorising.

When it comes to ethics, in claiming the high ground, you take one word of Cardinal Keith O'Brien's homily out of context and flourish it as characterising his, and the Church's, stance.



In fact, there is no proof that hybrid embryo stem cells will produce any better outcomes that normal stem cells. The evidence from the United States is to the contrary, that normal stem-cell research has produced cures or treatments for some 80 conditions while embryo cell research has produced none. Abstract theorising? I don't think so.

GERRY LYNCH

Lanark Road

Edinburgh


The decision in the Commons to allow the hybrid embryo is an abomination. The scientists may argue that it will be 99.99 per cent human. But what if it fails to produce the stem cells they seek? Will they then argue for an increase in the percentages?

As we all know, scientists are constantly trying to move forward. Just look at what splitting the atom has done – atomic bombs and Chernobyl. This is only the start of their research in this field, however, and nobody knows where they will stop.

MICHAEL DONALDSON

West Avenue

Airdrie, Lanarkshire






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  • Last Updated: 20 May 2008 7:12 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Senga Jean,

21/05/2008 00:21:36
I would suggest to Mr donaldson that the invention of the wheel was as dangerous as splitting the atom. BTW where in the bible are these creations described?
2

Beth Boyle,

NY 21/05/2008 07:03:50
I agree and I am a Christian. There is nothing that Jesus said that would make me say this sort of thing is wrong. These old stuffy Bible thumpers are just out of touch.
3

Maximus,

Roberton 21/05/2008 08:12:11
I don't think the Bible said anything about Incarnation or the Trinity but no doubt #2 agrees with these teachings too.

It is obvious that God considers all human life worthy of dignity. I suggest Beth reads Jer - I knew you before you were born
4

Maximus,

Roberton 21/05/2008 08:13:57
However Mr Allan, to ignore the Christian message is dangerous. It has eternal consequences.
5

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 21/05/2008 08:46:15
1. Christianity was invented by Paul/Saul. It has so little to do with Jesus that He would probably be flung out of most churches.

2. It is essential to quote the Bible selectively as in so many cases it contradicts itself. What was it Jesus said about the need to hate one's parents? or coming with sword? Quite a contrast to 'meek and mild'!
6

Boy Wonder,

21/05/2008 09:55:05
The Bible, as all intelligent people will agree, is a selective accretion of legends, myths and stories from many of the emerging tribes between the Fertile Crescent and Egypt between 4 and 6 thousand years ago. It was also unfortunately, edited by a bunch of hypocritical misogynists who ysed religion as a crude weapon to beat each other into submission. And is still doing so with Islam.

It drew its better side from the laws of such enlightened individuals as Sargon, Sennacherib, Imhotep, Akhenaton and other ancient luminaries.

Religionists, especially Christian fundamentalists who quote passages from this book, appear to know nothing about the application of common sense.


7

Gilbert McAdam,

Manila 21/05/2008 11:45:46
# 5 - Your assertion about Jesus, Paul and Christianity is easier to make than to establish. Happily, it is not too difficult to refute.

It is accepted that Luke was the author of the Acts of the Apostles. He was a close companion of Paul, accompanying him frequently on his missionary journeys. We may take it that he thoroughly knew and understood Paul's teaching.

But Luke was also the author of the Gospel that bears his name. That Gospel overlaps very significantly with those of Matthew and Mark. The common material is very similar indeed, and certainly contains exactly the same message. These Gospels are the source for our knowledge of the teaching of Jesus.

It is clear, therefore, that Luke saw no contradiction between between the teaching of Paul and the teaching of the others Apostles. The same would be true for Mark, who was a close associate both of Peter and of Paul.

Unless you have some secret knowledge of the 'real' teaching of Jesus, your statement is indefensible.
8

Gilbert McAdam,

Manila 21/05/2008 11:52:23
#6 Most intelligent people who actually read the Bible will agree that, apart from the first 11 chapters, it covers a period from c. 2000 BC to c. 100 AD. In other words, from between 1,900 and 3,900 years ago. Perhaps the book you refer to so contemptuously is some other volume that I'm not familiar with?
9

Gilbert McAdam,

Manila 21/05/2008 16:48:14
#6 Sorry, that should read "from between 1,900 and 4,000 years ago." I wrote in haste before keeping an appointment.
10

Beth Boyle,

NY 21/05/2008 17:41:01
Maximus, this is probably not the place to get into a discussion on the trinity and all that but I honestly thing of that as more symbolic than finite. There is but one God.
11

Gilbert McAdam,

Manila 21/05/2008 18:49:41
#10 - "I honestly think of [the Trinity] as more symbolic than finite. There is but one God." -- I am baffled. In what sense is 'symbolic' the opposite of 'finite'? In Christian theology the Trinity is neither symbolic nor finite. If the Christian Faith is true, then the Trinity is the ultimate reality, and is infinite.

'There is but one God.' -- that is exactly what Trinitarianism teaches.

 

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