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Let's see zoo back up its big claims over conservation



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Published Date: 06 May 2008
FOLLOWING recent concerns raised by a number of animal welfare groups about Edinburgh Zoo's plans to begin breeding chimpanzees in its new Budongo Trail exhibit, the zoo issued a statement to the press from its CEO David Windmill claiming that "95 per cent of the mammals in our animal collection are endangered".
In fact, the zoo's animal inventory for 2006 (the latest publicly available) shows that at the end of 2006, only around 27 per cent of the mammal species and around 27 per cent of the individual mammals kept by the zoo are officially classed as Endan
gered (or greater risk) by the IUCN (World Conservation Union). Furthermore, less than 50 per cent of the zoo's mammal species and individuals are threatened in the wild (Vulnerable, Endangered or Critically Endangered).

This statement appears to be a staggering misrepresentation of the true situation, and we are calling on the zoo to immediately and publicly clarify their claims. We are very concerned that zoos seem to be making unjustified claims about their involvement in and commitment to conservation. This incident is a further example – the CEO of Edinburgh Zoo has claimed conservation credentials that seem to be way beyond the reality.

A report by the Born Free Foundation published in 2006 found that around 62 per cent of the mammal species held in 13 of the more "prestigious" zoos with charity status in the UK (which included Edinburgh Zoo) were actually in the category of lowest risk of extinction in the wild.
Born Free Foundation, Foundry Lane, Horsham

City cyclists should know their place
THERE has been a lot of debate about the dangers cyclists face on Edinburgh's roads following last week's fatal accident. But as someone who drives for a living (mainly in the city centre) I get the impression that most cyclists don't care about their own safety.

In the last week alone there have been two occasions when I have been driving along main roads, and needing to turn right I have slowed down and put my indicator on and when I've started to turn off the road a cyclist has appeared from behind me and sliced across the front of me forcing me to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting them.

On Wednesday morning I was driving up Morrison Street when a woman cyclist in her 50s who was clearly shattered from cycling uphill started weaving across my path and when I tooted she then sliced her way into lane three outside Sainsbury's forcing a lorry to brake hard to avoid hitting her.

Two weeks ago I was driving home along St Johns Road at 11pm when a cyclist was heading towards me on the wrong side of the road with no lights on!

I cycled to my work for four years before I learned to drive and when I cycled I knew my place and I used a bit of common sense i.e. keep tight to the left hand side of the road at all times and don't obstruct vehicles who pay road tax to use the roads (also I didn't want to get hit by a bus).

While there are a lot of fit, capable cyclists on our roads, there are also quite a few who haven't read the Highway Code and I think it's time tests were made compulsory before you are allowed to take a bike on the roads.
Martin Jones, Forrester Park Gardens, Edinburgh

Griffiths puts the ball in his own net
WRITING in "Mouthpiece", Nigel Griffiths would seek to persuade us that the SNP-led Scottish Government is to blame for the recent swingeing ten per cent hike in Lothian Buses' fares (News, April 30). Really?

Lothian Buses' fuel costs are only a relatively minor part of its running costs, which include labour costs, capital investment, premises, etc. Yet Mr Griffiths claims that the relatively small additional fuel costs, coupled with the "missing" fraction of the fuel duty rebate – aimed to defray a less than two per cent increase in fuel duty – is justification for a swingeing ten per cent hike in fares.

Isn't the truth that, in his haste to score a political "goal" against the SNP, Mr Griffiths has addressed the excuse for the increase in bus fares and not the reason?

Readers of these columns, and the associated threads on the News website, may well remember my prediction of increases in bus fares leading up to the introduction of the tram system.

In order to ensure that the trams make any kind of operating profit, isn't it certain that bus fares are being systematically hiked in order that tram fares can be pitched at a realistic higher level than originally predicted?

Bus fare levels are being managed upwards to justify the trams' business model. It's not just tram users who are going to pay for them. We will all be forced to pay more – through continually hiked bus fares as well as likely increased council subsidy.

By accepting the excuse given, and using it to attack Holyrood, hasn't Nigel Griffiths effectively just scored an own goal?

Jim Taylor, The Murrays Brae, Edinburgh

Parents must meet costs of travelling
PARENTS should be allowed to send children to schools in other catchment areas as long as those who live within the area get priority.

The other consideration being, any travel expenses involved should be met by the parents and not the education department. This should be a stipulation in all cases where children go to school outwith their area.

Marilyn Williams, Hutchison View, Edinburgh

'Wrong' to quote man with the plan
YOUR report about Longstone Community Council's comments on the proposed redevelopment of the shopping centre in Inglis Green Road (Eyesore faces bulldozers as new flats set for go-ahead, May 1) is inaccurate.

The statement attributed to me was taken from a submission I made on behalf of LCC last July. Since then there have been several meetings of LCC, where the matter has been discussed.

I am merely the planning contact for LCC.

Steuart Campbell, Dovecot Loan, Edinburgh




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  • Last Updated: 06 May 2008 8:36 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Artemis,

06/05/2008 12:02:41
Mr Jones - cyclists are under no obligation to keep tight to the left side of the road, and doing so frequently puts them in more danger as it encourages drivers to squeeze past them when there is no space to do so safely. And you do not pay road tax. Road tax was abolished decades ago. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty which is based on the size of the vehicle's engine and how polluting it is. Bikes don't have engines, therefore don't cause pollution, therefore are not eligible for VED, in the same way that some of those "green" cars are exempt. Pedestrians, cyclists and horse-riders are the only people who have a right to be on the road. For everyone else, it's a privilege dependent on driving licence, tax, insurance etc.
2

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:21:23
Marilyn - the placement rules are quite clear - if you're in the catchment then you get priority. And if you get an out-of-catchment placement, then the Council is not liable for any travel expenses. Not quite sure what the point is that you're trying to make?
3

Tynietiger,

06/05/2008 12:27:02
Griffiths is talking rubbish as usual. Cost of fuel rise on Lothian Buses is £400,000 but revenue from 10p increase in fares is £10,400,000.

Record North Sea oil revenues going to Westminister this year.
4

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:28:36
Martin - as a daily cyclist and occasional driver I would say that there are a lot of poor cyclists. Along with any number of drivers using mobiles, folk forgetting to indicate, taxis sailing through roundabouts without signalling (#863 at Broughton St 1715 last Friday was a classic), etc.... From your letter, I'd have thought that indicating before slowing down might have given other road users more warning of your intention?
5

neds-r-us,

06/05/2008 12:30:41
The SNP-Lib Dem councillors voted to remove the subsidy from the number 18 bus so there will not be any service on a Sunday.

The 18 bus runs from the Gyle via Wester Hailes, Fairmilehead and Gilmerton to the New Royal Infirmary.

Why are the SNP attacking public transport by removing the 18 bus on a Sunday?
6

Dragonlord,

06/05/2008 12:31:25
1# what utter crap.Pedestrians, cyclists and horse-riders are the only people who have a right to be on the road. For everyone else, it's a privilege dependent on driving licence, tax, insurance etc. And where do you get the idea that cyclists don't polute? Heavy breathing is poluting far more when cycling, than a casual stroll. Anyone who cycles MUST take responsablity for their own safety and by obeying the rules they might just do that.
Ps don't give me the crap about car drivers disobeying the rules, I have never seem a car drive on the pavements.
7

Vic,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:33:01
#6 Excellent. I'd thought we might miss out on the daily diatribe.
8

Artemis,

06/05/2008 12:34:57
#6 - check the law. You'll find I'm right. And since when has breathing out caused pollution? Of course cyclists should obey the law, no question about it. But Martin Jones is quite wrong to say that they should all stick hard left to stay safe and make way for people who've paid road tax. Staying hard left at all times is dangerous, and road tax doesn't exist.

9

Artemis,

06/05/2008 12:43:02
Jim, you're ignoring what I said. Keeping hard left at all times can be dangerous because it encourages the many, many motorists who ignore the part of the Highway Code which says "give cyclists as much room as you would a car" to squeeze past when there is no space to do so safely.

There is no legal obligation for cyclists to be insured, but many are, which is quite a contrast to the motorists who are legally obliged to be insured but sometimes aren't.

Can you tell me on what basis you state that most cyclists don't obey the rules? The plural of anecdotes is not data.

I have never said that other road users are unworthy. I have frequently said that there are selfish irresponsible dangerous motorists, cyclists and pedestrians, and that all of them should be dealt with by the law. But I will ask again - why is it that any mention of cycling in this paper attracts far more vitriol and opprobrium than any mention of motoring?
10

Vic,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:45:17
Jim

"The simple fact is that cyclists should be insured." That's not a fact, that's an opinion. One I'm quite sympathetic to, but an opinion nonetheless.

There's a difference between keeping left, and keeping tight to the left. The second implies riding in the gutter, which can add danger. My experience is that the tighter I stick to the kerb the less room motorists seem to leave me when overtaking.

"So, how many have to die before you recognise the real problems that such cyclists bring to the roads and be prepared to do something about other than just blaming everyone else?" I don't think he was doing that. He did say "Of course cyclists should obey the law, no question about it", after all.
11

Linda,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 13:02:38
Neds-are-us

Just imagine what could be done with £500 million to be spent on public transport if stupid opposition MSPs tried to spike SNP guns by voting for one expensive and unwanted tram line
12

Koffindodger,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 14:09:55
Dear Born Free Foundation

"less than 50 per cent of the zoo's mammal species and individuals are threatened in the wild"

isn't that very similar to:

"around 50 per cent of the zoo's mammal species and individuals are threatened in the wild"

Please spend more time attacking "slum Zoo's" Edinburgh is one of the good ones.

13

Dragonlord,

06/05/2008 15:44:11
10# IF Cyclists were licensed, then they could be reported to the police when they break the law. Too often have they done so then cycled off never to be seen again?

11# Vic, my "daily diatribe." yesterday did not receive a reply, so obviously you had no answer to the points I made. YOU, may be one of the very small minority of cyclists who obey the rules. But even you can't say you have never seem instances where cyclists, not only break the law, but put their own lives at risk by doing so. I personally would have every respect for cyclist, if they obeyed the rules and did not deliberately take up too much of the road, that it hold back traffic.

A small example for you. Some time ago I was stiopped at the lights near the foot of lothian road. There was no room between my vehicle and the kerb,BUT a cyclist ( with all the gear and no idea)squeezed past and sat next to my passenger door with the wheels in the gutter and leaning onto the pavement. He then had the nerve to complain when I moved off that I never gave him room! These are the clown cyclists I moan about not the one that know what they are doing.
14

Dragonlord,

06/05/2008 17:43:55
15# You know, sometimes there is serious debate on here and it can be quite ammusing, sometimes informative. However, when you come on it becomes a farce.Please try to limit your comments and give us all some peace.
15

Artemis,

06/05/2008 19:02:41
Not round here it's not. Round here the assumption is that every cyclist breaks every law they can with impunity, all for the sake of making life miserable for motorists and bus passengers and pedestrians. I see numerous motorists "flouting the rules" - breaking the law - every single week and nothing is done about that either.
16

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 22:12:33
Is being a bad road user a cycle thing or a person thing? My point being, a few of you who appear to be professional motorists state that (all) cyclists are rule breakers. I must concede I too have seen cyclists break the laws of the road, as well as other road users. However, this particular breed of cyclist that breaks all rules, would he/is he the same when driving a car/taxi/motorbike even? Personally I think people who have no respect for others and blatantly break rules would do so regardless of their mode of transport. So rather than paint a picture that results in innocents getting harmed (see below), focus on the individual, NOT the mode of transport!
**My wee sob story**
Last decemeber, 5th. I was stationary in a queue of traffic at Drum Brae roundabout, I wasn't overtaking undertaking. High viz, 2 rear lights(1steady/1flashing) 2 front lights. I still got rear ended up the proverbial by a large sized BMW. Luckily I didn't come off but my back wheel now had square bit where it was once round. Apparently it was my fault, we're all the same etc etc, shouldnae be on the road etc etc, going too slow (did I say I was in a stationary queue). This guy believed so much that this was all my fault, he didn't have the decency to stop when I asked him to. That, my friends, is what happens when a certain percentage of motorists truly believe that another section of road users have no right to be on the road!
17

Artemis,

07/05/2008 08:05:43
I think you mean you're fed up with me pointing out that all you do is make generalisations. Cyclists and pedestrians are arrogant? All of them in the whole country? Or just Edinburgh? Or just the ones you've closely questioned as to their attitudes? I'll drive a shift with you if you do 20 miles on a bike round Edinburgh, which is about what I did last Thursday in the course of my job. Try 20 miles on a bike on central Edinburgh roads and see what it's like. See how many drivers pass you too closely, overtake you on junctions, stop in the ASLs, yatter on their mobile phones while driving, speed, jump red lights, yell abuse at you for no reason, and then come back here and tell us cyclists and pedestrians are the arrogant ones.
18

Vic,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 08:36:09
#14 Your memory appears to be as faulty as your reasoning. I did respond on monday.
19

Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/05/2008 10:13:25
#20 Criticising people for adopting entrenched positions and indulging in diatribes, Jim? You've a brass neck.

 

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